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(The New York Times)   It takes a peculiar form of logic to cut pay steadily and then be shocked that fewer people want to do the job   (nytimes.com) divider line 126
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2014-08-09 11:57:41 AM
The good thing about cutting compensation is that moral and productivity crater long before people just quit doing the job. Kind of like a canary in the coal mine, which is nice.
 
2014-08-09 12:15:42 PM
No, that's not logic ...
 
2014-08-09 12:19:20 PM
As noted in the article there is also an oversupply of labor so maybe the logic isn't that peculiar.
 
2014-08-09 12:20:41 PM
We all should be given pay raises, have you SEEN the price of BACON????!!!!
 
2014-08-09 12:22:08 PM
So the author is saying when the supply of truck drivers is down while the demand for truck drivers is up, a long-haul truck driver's wages should increase.  If only there were some sort of economic theory that covers that scenario.
 
2014-08-09 12:27:04 PM
cdn2.hubspot.net
 
2014-08-09 12:28:53 PM
I was going to get my CDL until I talked to a truck driver. It went like this

Me: I was thinking of getting my CDL and being an over the road driver..
Him: So you can see the country, travel and make money right?
Me: Yep
Him: I thought that too and all I see is highway and truckstops
Me: Thanks for the advice
 
2014-08-09 12:33:47 PM
Getting a kick out of the article.

My mom was one of the first female truck drivers in America, and was a trucker for 22 years.
 
2014-08-09 12:35:32 PM

raerae1980: We all should be given pay raises, have you SEEN the price of BACON????!!!!


I concur.
 
2014-08-09 12:35:47 PM
Maybe if we'd drop some of the regulations and special licenses and things like that, more hard working and honest Americans could do this job. We could also bring in people from other countries to do the driving that nobody else wants to do.
 
2014-08-09 12:35:54 PM

JasonOfOrillia: As noted in the article there is also an oversupply of labor so maybe the logic isn't that peculiar.


There's an oversupply of people who aren't qualified to do the job. If you want good employees, pay a decent wage.
 
2014-08-09 12:36:12 PM

Snarfangel: [cdn2.hubspot.net image 850x471]


This.

In 15 years "driver" won't even be a viable occupation.
 
2014-08-09 12:36:21 PM
We should be hauling stuff by rail anyway.  Once it gets to the major city then load the trucks for intrastate delivery.
 
2014-08-09 12:36:24 PM
This is what the company I work for does. Except that they import workers from other countries. There are more foreigners then US workers. Its a sad practice, but great for cheap labor.
 
2014-08-09 12:39:30 PM
So many ways to justify massive executive pay, and so many ways to justify starvation worker wages.
 
2014-08-09 12:40:57 PM
The biggest thing left out of the article is the changes in regulations on truck driver's hours.

Previously, a driver could work up to 82 hours in a week, with enforced time off.

Now, they're limited to 70 hours a week, with more-restrictive times off (including a 34 hour break between work weeks).

There have been a long string of other work restrictions over the last few years, too. A lot of the restrictions have caused companies to do things like establish intermediate warehouses and trailer-trading practices (a driver who hits 70 hours pulls into a lot and uncouples his tractor, and a different driver takes over).

Gee, an enforced cut in workable hours causing lower pay. Who would have thought of that one?
 
2014-08-09 12:41:20 PM

raerae1980: We all should be given pay raises, have you SEEN the price of BACON????!!!!


And gin?????!
 
2014-08-09 12:42:39 PM

whither_apophis: We should be hauling stuff by rail anyway.  Once it gets to the major city then load the trucks for intrastate delivery.


Umm, that is exactly what we do.

At least in the US. 40% of our freight movement is by rail. Only 8% for Europe.
 
2014-08-09 12:42:41 PM
Why would an industry that relies on set expenses do long term contracts when one of the expenses can change by the day?
 
2014-08-09 12:42:45 PM

JasonOfOrillia: As noted in the article there is also an oversupply of labor so maybe the logic isn't that peculiar.


So what you're saying is there is supply and demand but they don't seem to be able to match up.

It's almost as if other concepts are being left out like elasticity. I wonder how that works.
 
2014-08-09 12:42:49 PM

Private_Citizen: So many ways to justify massive executive pay, and so many ways to justify starvation worker wages.


This!
 
2014-08-09 12:46:12 PM

IoSaturnalia: This.

In 15 years "driver" won't even be a viable occupation.


Which is why it might be a good occupation for mid/late career people who have grown kids and have been forced out of their old professions.
 
2014-08-09 12:46:35 PM
My uncle used to work for Swift, and boy did he complain about the fact that for all the work he was doing he wasn't getting adequate pay. So in the end he left and went to work for Heartland Express.
 
2014-08-09 12:46:39 PM

SDRR: raerae1980: We all should be given pay raises, have you SEEN the price of BACON????!!!!

I concur.


And butter.
 
2014-08-09 12:46:47 PM

whither_apophis: We should be hauling stuff by rail anyway.  Once it gets to the major city then load the trucks for intrastate delivery.


That's what Swift (the company quoted in the article) does.  They are a big player in intermodal freight.
 
2014-08-09 12:46:57 PM

cirby: The biggest thing left out of the article is the changes in regulations on truck driver's hours.

Previously, a driver could work up to 82 hours in a week, with enforced time off.

Now, they're limited to 70 hours a week, with more-restrictive times off (including a 34 hour break between work weeks).

There have been a long string of other work restrictions over the last few years, too. A lot of the restrictions have caused companies to do things like establish intermediate warehouses and trailer-trading practices (a driver who hits 70 hours pulls into a lot and uncouples his tractor, and a different driver takes over).

Gee, an enforced cut in workable hours causing lower pay. Who would have thought of that one?


And want to know why? Too many Sleep-deprived truck drivers killing people. Look at Tracy Morgan. Man nearly died because a truck driver, on order from Wal-Mart. violated those rules and crashed into his limo.
 
2014-08-09 12:48:33 PM
MrHappyRotter
Maybe if we'd drop some of the regulations and special licenses and things like that, more hard working and honest Americans could do this job. We could also bring in people from other countries to do the driving that nobody else wants to do.


7/10. I like the way you roll.
 
2014-08-09 12:49:08 PM
They're just stalling until self-driving cars/trucks make the scene, then off with those trucker heads!  (CEOs are often very warm and fuzzy humanitarian types as we all know!)
 
2014-08-09 12:49:20 PM
I see that the Big-Thinking Libertarian Sect is out in full force already.  derp
 
2014-08-09 12:50:21 PM
You don't want to drive a truck for $40K? Fine. Go work at walmart for $15K.
 
2014-08-09 12:54:06 PM

cirby: The biggest thing left out of the article is the changes in regulations on truck driver's hours.

Previously, a driver could work up to 82 hours in a week, with enforced time off.

Now, they're limited to 70 hours a week, with more-restrictive times off (including a 34 hour break between work weeks).

There have been a long string of other work restrictions over the last few years, too. A lot of the restrictions have caused companies to do things like establish intermediate warehouses and trailer-trading practices (a driver who hits 70 hours pulls into a lot and uncouples his tractor, and a different driver takes over).

Gee, an enforced cut in workable hours causing lower pay. Who would have thought of that one?


Ya really, you only work 70 hours/week?  You think you should be paid a living wage for that?
 
2014-08-09 12:54:07 PM

styckx: I was going to get my CDL until I talked to a truck driver. It went like this

Me: I was thinking of getting my CDL and being an over the road driver..
Him: So you can see the country, travel and make money right?
Me: Yep
Him: I thought that too and all I see is highway and truckstops
Me: Thanks for the advice


Have you considered being an under the road driver?
 
2014-08-09 12:57:41 PM

MindStalker: whither_apophis: We should be hauling stuff by rail anyway.  Once it gets to the major city then load the trucks for intrastate delivery.

Umm, that is exactly what we do.

At least in the US. 40% of our freight movement is by rail. Only 8% for Europe.


I think you mean 25%. And we move much less tonnage per capita that Europe.
 
2014-08-09 12:58:08 PM

cirby: The biggest thing left out of the article is the changes in regulations on truck driver's hours.

Previously, a driver could work up to 82 hours in a week, with enforced time off.

Now, they're limited to 70 hours a week, with more-restrictive times off (including a 34 hour break between work weeks).

There have been a long string of other work restrictions over the last few years, too. A lot of the restrictions have caused companies to do things like establish intermediate warehouses and trailer-trading practices (a driver who hits 70 hours pulls into a lot and uncouples his tractor, and a different driver takes over).

Gee, an enforced cut in workable hours causing lower pay. Who would have thought of that one?


The article said miles have decreased by 27% while pay is down 6%. That means people are actually being paid more per mile.

That doesn't change the fact that if there aren't enough drivers they need to pay still more.
 
2014-08-09 01:00:21 PM

baronbloodbath: Getting a kick out of the article.

My mom was one of the first female truck drivers in America, and was a trucker for 22 years.


This has just been sitting here and nobody made a Large Marge reference yet?

Fark, ya slipping.
 
2014-08-09 01:00:25 PM

abhorrent1: You don't want to drive a truck for $40K? Fine. Go work at walmart for $15K.


40k is shiat. Just because people make less (I make roughtly half that at best) doesn't make it an acceptable rate. That's conflating the absolute with the relative, and makes no point but that you think attitude is everything, while your own attitude seems fairly shiatty. It's like telling someone who's dying of cancer they don't have it that bad because someone else is dying of ebola. It doesn't farking help anyone.
 
2014-08-09 01:00:56 PM
Need more Stacks!

www.gregtheitaliansite.com
 
2014-08-09 01:01:30 PM

PaulRB: They're just stalling until self-driving cars/trucks make the scene, then off with those trucker heads!  (CEOs are often very warm and fuzzy humanitarian types as we all know!)


regmedia.co.uk
 
2014-08-09 01:03:21 PM
Pincy:

Ya really, you only work 70 hours/week?  You think you should be paid a living wage for that?

For driving a truck around all-day? What are you some socialist fascist liberal hippy? They drive trucks, not make important decisions on trading shares to cheat the system nor do they figure out ways to rob their employees of benefits and pay to get everyone on the board of the corporation new yachts like real red-blooded Americans who stand for freedom under God!
 
2014-08-09 01:07:09 PM
How much does it cost for truck driving school?  I know some companies might pay for you to learn in exchange for working for them for a minimum time period, but otherwise I'd imagine the people who would most be willing to learn are the ones least able to afford it.
 
2014-08-09 01:07:53 PM

thatboyoverthere: Man nearly died because a truck driver, on order from Wal-Mart. violated those rules and crashed into his limo.


Actually, a man did die - it just wasn't anyone famous.
 
2014-08-09 01:09:14 PM

Private_Citizen: So many ways to justify massive executive pay, and so many ways to justify starvation worker wages.


Yes.  The company I have worked for over the last 20 years has become extremely generous in executive compensation lately.  Meanwhile the worker bees get a maximum 3% increase per year (only if the yearly review is perfect) and HR can't figure out why there is a problem with morale.
 
2014-08-09 01:10:05 PM

slayer199: So the author is saying when the supply of truck drivers is down while the demand for truck drivers is up, a long-haul truck driver's wages should increase.  If only there were some sort of economic theory that covers that scenario.


Problem is, most CEOs went to the Ivy League, where they learned how to smooch up to Senators, but not how to run a company.
 
2014-08-09 01:10:27 PM

thatboyoverthere: And want to know why? Too many Sleep-deprived truck drivers killing people. Look at Tracy Morgan. Man nearly died because a truck driver, on order from Wal-Mart. violated those rules and crashed into his limo.


No no. Walmart didn't ORDER the guy to lose sleep. They just scheduled the delivery times with such low margins of error that made it impossible for him to make delivery on time without bending the rules, which he totally did on his own. Walmart values safety and upholds the law.

/I can speak lawyer
 
2014-08-09 01:12:33 PM

styckx: I was going to get my CDL until I talked to a truck driver. It went like this

Me: I was thinking of getting my CDL and being an over the road driver..
Him: So you can see the country, travel and make money right?
Me: Yep
Him: I thought that too and all I see is highway and truckstops
Me: Thanks for the advice


My stepfather was a medium-haul driver (basically texas-ok-lousiana kinda thing).

He was home most/every weekend, and made 100k a year. But he worked like 80 hour weeks.  He didn't hate it, best I can tell you.
 
2014-08-09 01:13:34 PM
I can't help but wonder if this is tied into the illegal alien thing. "Americans just won't haul goods anymore. Let's hire Mexicans! They'll work for nothing!"
 
2014-08-09 01:13:58 PM
Everywhere you look businesses are caught in the costs need to be reduced death spiral brought on by "we need to increase shareholder revenue quarter to quarter".  Capitalism is eating itself, but the short term effect is throwing lots and lots of wealth to the top 0.1%.  But what happens when it crashes?

It's unsustainable as an economy wide standard because if undercuts your own customers in the end.  80% of the US economy is goods and services.  We're in a world of hurt when the people working those jobs can't turn around and demand their own goods and services.

Ideally the government is supposed to be the barrier against this sort of death spiral and push back against wealth and power consolidation. But we all know how that's working out, or even the freakout that they should be doing their job there.

As is now were in a game theory brinkmanship to the bottom due to a lack of diversity.  It's capitalism's very own evolutionary pinhole.
 
2014-08-09 01:15:07 PM
www.trailerbroker.com
 
2014-08-09 01:16:36 PM

TyrantII: Everywhere you look businesses are caught in the costs need to be reduced death spiral brought on by "we need to increase shareholder revenue quarter to quarter".  Capitalism is eating itself, but the short term effect is throwing lots and lots of wealth to the top 0.1%.  But what happens when it crashes?

It's unsustainable as an economy wide standard because if undercuts your own customers in the end.  80% of the US economy is goods and services.  We're in a world of hurt when the people working those jobs can't turn around and demand their own goods and services.

Ideally the government is supposed to be the barrier against this sort of death spiral and push back against wealth and power consolidation. But we all know how that's working out, or even the freakout that they should be doing their job there.

As is now were in a game theory brinkmanship to the bottom due to a lack of diversity.  It's capitalism's very own evolutionary pinhole.


Why would you want the government to step in and prevent a badly managed company from failing , comrade?
 
2014-08-09 01:17:23 PM

whither_apophis: We should be hauling stuff by rail anyway.  Once it gets to the major city then load the trucks for intrastate delivery.


Brilliant!!  My God, how is it that all the minds in the transportation industry have not come to the same startling conclusion that you have just revealed?
 
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