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(Medium)   If we only know 5% of the Universe, can we really be sure that the Big Bang has it right? (Spoiler: yes, and you're dumb.)   (medium.com) divider line 42
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2014-08-09 12:51:22 PM  
I dunno. I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible. Since the size of the universe is pretty much infinity as far as our puny brains can comprehend, that seems like a huge waste of real estate.
 
2014-08-09 04:03:50 PM  
If what science says about the universe doesn't match the intuition in my little human brain, it must be wrong. The universe is under an obligation to make perfect sense to me, not the other way around.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2014-08-09 04:08:54 PM  
It's a theory based on sound science... but it doesn't make it fact.  Theories are tested, retested and evolve...unlike religion.
 
2014-08-09 04:12:27 PM  

slayer199: It's a theory based on sound science... but it doesn't make it fact.  Theories are tested, retested and evolve...unlike religion.



Religion evolves.  I mean just look at how many people today think that Jesus was about  trampling on the poor and hating those not like yourself.
 
2014-08-09 04:27:57 PM  
go ahead, punk, describe the infinite in finite terms. i dare ya.
 
2014-08-09 04:28:07 PM  

MrEricSir: If what science says about the universe doesn't match the intuition in my little human brain, it must be wrong. The universe is under an obligation to make perfect sense to me, not the other way around.

/amidoinitrite?


Pretty much, yes.

Examples

"I phoned [the lottery company] and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher, not lower, than -8 but I'm not having it."
 
2014-08-09 04:28:22 PM  

Mugato: I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible.


Which is sad, considering that the man who formulated the theory was a Jesuit priest. Won a Nobel Prize, got a nice fat promotion from the Vatican.
 
2014-08-09 04:30:42 PM  

Mugato: I dunno. I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible. Since the size of the universe is pretty much infinity as far as our puny brains can comprehend, that seems like a huge waste of real estate.


My thoughts exactly. God wouldn't need to create a universe that big for only us. Do you remember what they did in the Truman Show? They just painted the walls the color of the sky and controlled the weather in an attempt to keep people from exploring. That seems a lot more efficient to me.

If one of our probes runs into a wall, you will know God exists.
 
2014-08-09 04:31:25 PM  
I'm curious how anyone could be so sure we've seen 5% of the universe when we can't even see the edges.

If the universe is infinite like our greatest minds believe, then what is 5% of infinity?  Even if its not infinite, new equipment gets developed all the time that allows us to see how stupid and closed minded we are.  One day I believe we will develop the equipment to see dim light rays we aren't yet capable of doing now, and we'll find out even then we only really know 0.00000000000000000000005% of our universe.

People that bring Religion into a science fight are half-wits, cuz arguments about science should include mandatory hot Astrophysicist Amy Mainzer...

johnnyolsen.com
 
2014-08-09 04:32:15 PM  
There aren't enough charts and graphs on there to convince me yet.. Try harder..
 
2014-08-09 04:37:22 PM  

veryequiped: I'm curious how anyone could be so sure we've seen 5% of the universe when we can't even see the edges.

If the universe is infinite like our greatest minds believe, then what is 5% of infinity?  Even if its not infinite, new equipment gets developed all the time that allows us to see how stupid and closed minded we are.  One day I believe we will develop the equipment to see dim light rays we aren't yet capable of doing now, and we'll find out even then we only really know 0.00000000000000000000005% of our universe.

People that bring Religion into a science fight are half-wits, cuz arguments about science should include mandatory hot Astrophysicist Amy Mainzer...

[johnnyolsen.com image 502x750]


Mmmmm, nummy.

Smart *and* hot. What a combo.
 
2014-08-09 04:44:21 PM  
Meh.

It's an optical illusion.
 
2014-08-09 05:00:24 PM  

xaks: Mmmmm, nummy.

Smart *and* hot. What a combo.


Smart, Hot, Sane. Choose 1. This means she must be out of her gourd. Hopefully it's in bed.

On an unrelated note. I thought physicists knew what happened only up to a few hundred nanoseconds after the big bang, because before that all known forms of science completely break down. I mean, we're talking about the Universe on the head of a pin here. It's quite crowded at that point.
 
2014-08-09 05:02:44 PM  
The fun thing is that we'll keep changing the way the big bang worked until we get it right. The end result will probably only share a name with the original theory.

/Almost like it evolved
 
2014-08-09 05:08:08 PM  

Mugato: I dunno. I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible. Since the size of the universe is pretty much infinity as far as our puny brains can comprehend, that seems like a huge waste of real estate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology
not always true
there are real scientists who have other theories ...
they get laughed at, but their theories still exist ...
 
2014-08-09 05:10:39 PM  

Nabb1: Mugato: I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible.

Which is sad, considering that the man who formulated the theory was a Jesuit priest. Won a Nobel Prize, got a nice fat promotion from the Vatican.


make as much fun of the catholics about their problems with little boys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric-scientist s
but they are first rate scientists
 
2014-08-09 05:12:03 PM  

namatad: Mugato: I dunno. I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible. Since the size of the universe is pretty much infinity as far as our puny brains can comprehend, that seems like a huge waste of real estate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology
not always true
there are real scientists who have other theories ...
they get laughed at, but their theories still exist ...


shiat, "Big Bang" was the name given to the current theory because it was being made fun of.
 
2014-08-09 05:12:12 PM  

veryequiped: I'm curious how anyone could be so sure we've seen 5% of the universe when we can't even see the edges.

If the universe is infinite like our greatest minds believe, then what is 5% of infinity?  Even if its not infinite, new equipment gets developed all the time that allows us to see how stupid and closed minded we are.  One day I believe we will develop the equipment to see dim light rays we aren't yet capable of doing now, and we'll find out even then we only really know 0.00000000000000000000005% of our universe.

People that bring Religion into a science fight are half-wits, cuz arguments about science should include mandatory hot Astrophysicist Amy Mainzer...

[johnnyolsen.com image 502x750]


The universe is not infinite and detecting farther light isn't a matter of having the right equipment, rather it is a matter of waiting for the light to get here in the first place.
 
2014-08-09 05:19:08 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: namatad: Mugato: I dunno. I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible. Since the size of the universe is pretty much infinity as far as our puny brains can comprehend, that seems like a huge waste of real estate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology
not always true
there are real scientists who have other theories ...
they get laughed at, but their theories still exist ...

shiat, "Big Bang" was the name given to the current theory because it was being made fun of.


LOL - I had forgotten that bit of humor. The Steady State people were NOT HAPPY with the big bang.
 
2014-08-09 05:21:03 PM  
At my age ANY bang is theoretical. Sigh.
 
2014-08-09 05:21:04 PM  
Its a crappy show that appeals to the lowest common denominator of the trendy culture, its the Rosanne for faux-geeks.
 
2014-08-09 05:27:58 PM  

Nabb1: Mugato: I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible.

Which is sad, considering that the man who formulated the theory was a Jesuit priest. Won a Nobel Prize, got a nice fat promotion from the Vatican.


Maybe it was meant to be one of those "now you can stop with the science and play golf" promotions.
 
2014-08-09 05:34:57 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Its a crappy show that appeals to the lowest common denominator of the trendy culture, its the Rosanne for faux-geeks.


The humor is pretty bad.

sans laughtrack
 
2014-08-09 05:43:51 PM  
I've seen less than 5% of the squirrels on Earth, so I'm not really sure I know what a squirrel looks like.
 
2014-08-09 05:51:59 PM  

DerAppie: The fun thing is that we'll keep changing the way the big bang worked until we get it right. The end result will probably only share a name with the original theory.


Only because non-scientists want to call a whole class of theories by the same name.

The idea behind the Big Bang is that we currently know that the universe is expanding. If the universe is expanding, then it must be expanding out of something. If you were to reverse time you could watch the universe shrink all the way back to it's origin, or the "primeval atom". That is the fundamental Big Bang concept, and that bit of logic hasn't changed since 1927.

What has changed are the physical descriptions of what the universe was like in that primeval state, and how it got to where it is today.
 
2014-08-09 06:31:36 PM  

slayer199: It's a theory based on sound science... but it doesn't make it fact.  Theories are tested, retested and evolve...unlike religion.


So, how do you explain how Christianity evolved from Judaism, or Islam from Christianity. Or Protestants from Catholics?

Religions clearly evolve.
 
2014-08-09 06:49:23 PM  

spawn73: slayer199: It's a theory based on sound science... but it doesn't make it fact.  Theories are tested, retested and evolve...unlike religion.

So, how do you explain how Christianity evolved from Judaism, or Islam from Christianity. Or Protestants from Catholics?

Religions clearly evolve.


Acknowledging and accepting the evolution of thought within your chosen belief system seems to be the difference here. Muslims will never admit that their religion is derivative. Protestants seem to be a little more open to the idea -- but only to a point. Science, by definition, is supposed to not only acknowledge evolving thought but actively encourage it.

Most religions are scared of such change, for obvious reasons.
 
2014-08-09 07:10:39 PM  

Tobin_Lam: veryequiped: I'm curious how anyone could be so sure we've seen 5% of the universe when we can't even see the edges.

If the universe is infinite like our greatest minds believe, then what is 5% of infinity?  Even if its not infinite, new equipment gets developed all the time that allows us to see how stupid and closed minded we are.  One day I believe we will develop the equipment to see dim light rays we aren't yet capable of doing now, and we'll find out even then we only really know 0.00000000000000000000005% of our universe.

People that bring Religion into a science fight are half-wits, cuz arguments about science should include mandatory hot Astrophysicist Amy Mainzer...

[johnnyolsen.com image 502x750]

The universe is not infinite and detecting farther light isn't a matter of having the right equipment, rather it is a matter of waiting for the light to get here in the first place.


While I agree with your second point, how could we be sure of the first? How do you know that tomorrow we won't see the light finally arriving from a different big bang that happened 10 billion years ago in a different place completely?
 
2014-08-09 07:39:37 PM  
xaks:
Mmmmm, nummy.

Smart *and* hot. What a combo.



lolzombie.com
 
2014-08-09 08:45:16 PM  

picturescrazy: While I agree with your second point, how could we be sure of the first? How do you know that tomorrow we won't see the light finally arriving from a different big bang that happened 10 billion years ago in a different place completely?


We know that because science. When you science the science, it is really rather obvious and the science makes sense.
 
2014-08-09 09:30:47 PM  
I'll never forget the time she said Abe Lincoln urged northerners to pray during the civil war.

(Abe Lincoln never actually said anything of the sort. He said something along the lines of 'we pray, they pray; it's anyone's guess.')

He also said "Two of my favorite past-times are sitting on my porch with my Hoener harmonica, and a pipe of sweet hemp."

/I wanted to crush my tv the moment she broadcast that drivel
 
2014-08-09 09:38:33 PM  
I don't know how I mistook this thread for the Palin/Warren one.

/so sorry
 
2014-08-09 09:44:11 PM  
Science is a closed system and pretty much is ruled by religion. Always was.
 
2014-08-10 02:08:17 AM  

Schmerd1948: At my age ANY bang is theoretical. Sigh.


fc01.deviantart.net
 
2014-08-10 02:48:00 AM  

Karma Chameleon: xaks:
Mmmmm, nummy.

Smart *and* hot. What a combo.


[lolzombie.com image 480x420]


I'll take the bottom 2.
She doesn't need to be that smart.
 
2014-08-10 07:56:11 AM  

veryequiped: I'm curious how anyone could be so sure we've seen 5% of the universe when we can't even see the edges.

If the universe is infinite like our greatest minds believe, then what is 5% of infinity?  Even if its not infinite, new equipment gets developed all the time that allows us to see how stupid and closed minded we are.  One day I believe we will develop the equipment to see dim light rays we aren't yet capable of doing now, and we'll find out even then we only really know 0.00000000000000000000005% of our universe.



.......42?
 
2014-08-10 08:07:06 AM  

dave2198: spawn73: slayer199: It's a theory based on sound science... but it doesn't make it fact.  Theories are tested, retested and evolve...unlike religion.

So, how do you explain how Christianity evolved from Judaism, or Islam from Christianity. Or Protestants from Catholics?

Religions clearly evolve.

Acknowledging and accepting the evolution of thought within your chosen belief system seems to be the difference here. Muslims will never admit that their religion is derivative. Protestants seem to be a little more open to the idea -- but only to a point. Science, by definition, is supposed to not only acknowledge evolving thought but actively encourage it.

Most religions are scared of such change, for obvious reasons.


Which Muslims are you talking about? Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet of God. The whole point of Islam is that Muhammed was the final prophet, continuing where the others left off. Muhammed was like an automatic update for Abrahamic faith. A lot of people clicked ignore, so now you've got a bunch of purists at each other's throats because you can't play Dungeon Keeper with a system after Judeo-Christianity XP.
 
2014-08-10 08:09:05 AM  

gggoddammitt: dave2198: spawn73: slayer199: It's a theory based on sound science... but it doesn't make it fact.  Theories are tested, retested and evolve...unlike religion.

So, how do you explain how Christianity evolved from Judaism, or Islam from Christianity. Or Protestants from Catholics?

Religions clearly evolve.

Acknowledging and accepting the evolution of thought within your chosen belief system seems to be the difference here. Muslims will never admit that their religion is derivative. Protestants seem to be a little more open to the idea -- but only to a point. Science, by definition, is supposed to not only acknowledge evolving thought but actively encourage it.

Most religions are scared of such change, for obvious reasons.

Which Muslims are you talking about? Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet of God. The whole point of Islam is that Muhammed was the final prophet, continuing where the others left off. Muhammed was like an automatic update for Abrahamic faith. A lot of people clicked ignore, so now you've got a bunch of purists at each other's throats because you can't play Dungeon Keeper with a system after Judeo-Christianity XP.


Religion isn't backwards compatible is where I'm getting at, but they understand and accept where their faith came from.
 
2014-08-10 11:14:14 AM  
So the universe is in a condom?
 
2014-08-10 01:32:51 PM  

Bahleted: So the universe is in a condom?


Then turn it inside out and shake the fark out of it
 
2014-08-10 05:30:59 PM  

dave2198: Mugato: I dunno. I do know that the people who argue against the big bang theory are usually religious types who think ours is the only planet with intelligent life because the Bible. Since the size of the universe is pretty much infinity as far as our puny brains can comprehend, that seems like a huge waste of real estate.

My thoughts exactly. God wouldn't need to create a universe that big for only us. Do you remember what they did in the Truman Show? They just painted the walls the color of the sky and controlled the weather in an attempt to keep people from exploring. That seems a lot more efficient to me.

If one of our probes runs into a wall, you will know God exists.


If God exists, he wouldn't be bound by your reasoning.
 
2014-08-10 06:34:11 PM  
The reason why the big bang theory won't go away is that is a catch all title.  The universe appears to be expanding.  How does a universe that has gravity that would pull it together manage to expand?  BANG!

Of course there is no current scientific understanding or explanation as to how that Bang would occur.  There are theories, but nothing that raises to the level of being probably true.  But as long as things are expanding and no physical reason for them to expand exist, we will have the Big Bang Theory.
 
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