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(NYPost)   A NYPD union rep is telling officers to go by the book as a means of slowing down work in protest of the oppression of officers who used a chokehold that is expressly forbidden by the rule book   (nypost.com) divider line 85
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2014-08-09 12:07:15 PM  
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2014-08-09 12:48:43 PM  
I don't understand how that's ironic. It's the opposite of ironic. They're arguing that strictly following the rulebook is unreasonable, and they're supposedly going to do it to illustrate how unworkable it is.
 
2014-08-09 01:14:34 PM  
Stuff like this gives all unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.
 
2014-08-09 01:35:07 PM  
How does anyone in their right mind try to justify this?
 
2014-08-09 01:39:46 PM  
What would really show everyone and stick it to the citizens you're supposed to protect would be for them to get in a giant conga line and then each guy choke the guy in front of him to death.
 
2014-08-09 01:46:26 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: I don't understand how that's ironic. It's the opposite of ironic. They're arguing that strictly following the rulebook is unreasonable, and they're supposedly going to do it to illustrate how unworkable it is.


I suspect that the some law-abiding citizens of New York may appreciate the lack of harassment.
 
2014-08-09 01:50:32 PM  

ginandbacon: How does anyone in their right mind try to justify this?


I think the NYPD believes themselves to be a conquering army occupying a captive state

/sad part is they may be right
 
2014-08-09 02:22:20 PM  

Lord Jubjub: itcamefromschenectady: I don't understand how that's ironic. It's the opposite of ironic. They're arguing that strictly following the rulebook is unreasonable, and they're supposedly going to do it to illustrate how unworkable it is.

I suspect that the some law-abiding citizens of New York may appreciate the lack of harassment.


Well, it would be ironic if going by the rulebook in fact leads to harmony and everything going smoothly, but calling it ironic in advance is jumping the gun.

/pedantic
 
2014-08-09 03:24:21 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this gives all public employee unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.


ftfm
 
2014-08-09 03:25:05 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this gives all unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.


Maybe it's because all unions have served there purpose like the telegraph wire, and now need to be passed on into the annuls of history. We are all being abused at the same rate now, so unless there is a union of "all", they should individually die off.
 
2014-08-09 03:25:31 PM  

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You are under arrest, biatch!

 
2014-08-09 03:25:55 PM  
I'm thinking the best thing soon will be for cities to hire private security and mercenary companies and fire all the police and their unions.
 
2014-08-09 03:26:51 PM  
www.8ball.co.uk
 
2014-08-09 03:26:55 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: I don't understand how that's ironic. It's the opposite of ironic. They're arguing that strictly following the rulebook is unreasonable, and they're supposedly going to do it to illustrate how unworkable it is.


It'll be ok until some socialite gets murdered after a frantic call to the cops when the cops have to finish their first call. The lawsuits will fly and the lawyers will do ritual combat in the streets. The rules for an organization as large and as old as the NYPD have got to be mostly nonsensical stuff from the 1850's.
 
2014-08-09 03:27:53 PM  

CasperImproved: AirForceVet: Stuff like this gives all unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.

 served there purpose


^their^

/Sorry... Watching Ghost Busters while typing.
 
2014-08-09 03:28:00 PM  
Word to rule is a traditional tactic to show that work to rule is not practical. But come on, you killed a guy.
 
GBB
2014-08-09 03:29:07 PM  
The difference between a bad employee and a good employee is knowing and following proper procedure and policy.
The difference between a good employee and a great employee is knowing when to ignore proper procedure and policy and get the job done.
The difference between a great employee and a fired employee is getting caught.

/not advocating using a chokehold
 
2014-08-09 03:29:32 PM  

ginandbacon: How does anyone in their right mind try to justify this?


Never belonged to a Union have you?
 
2014-08-09 03:35:15 PM  

ginandbacon: How does anyone in their right mind try to justify this?


You know how I know you've never worked for a giant litigiphobic corporation?

/ Some companies have so many rules, especially for security, that you have to break rules to do your job.
 
2014-08-09 03:36:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ginandbacon: How does anyone in their right mind try to justify this?

I think the NYPD believes themselves to be a conquering army occupying a captive state

/sad part is they may be right


A conquering army always disarms the conquered.  They (the NYPD) meet all the requirements of a despotic foreign ruler.
 
2014-08-09 03:39:50 PM  
The 95% of law enforcement officers who are unfit to wear the badge give the good cops a bad name.
 
2014-08-09 03:40:25 PM  
1) Advocate an adversarial relationship between labor and management.

2) Set yourself up as an adversarial representative.

3) Profit.

So long as unions and management are enemies, they both profit from the struggle. A police union is slightly different, granted, but the union perpetuates its significance by causing problems. If there were no slow-downs, etc, then what purpose would the union visibly serve?

(Visibly. The union needs periodic shows of solidarity, even if they have to be manufactured. I'm not arguing we don't need unions; I'm talking about realities of how they tend to behave.)

Corporations know that when you want to win, you co-opt the competition; you don't fight them straight-up. When you want to prolong the fight, you dig your heels in. This is heel-digging.
 
2014-08-09 03:41:40 PM  
Hey Ed Mullins, I hope your wife and children are murdered in their sleep because the lackey cops purposely delay their response.
 
2014-08-09 03:46:26 PM  
You mean they haven't been following the rules prior to this?

/shocked
 
2014-08-09 03:46:43 PM  
Bye, book

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-08-09 03:47:25 PM  
Oh, FFS. Just go after every judge that rules against you, NYPD, and put them in a choke hold.

And after 9/11, the NYPD has the most firepower outside of the Armed Services, so if the DoJ shows up....
 
2014-08-09 03:50:13 PM  
This is why the public loves the police and they enjoy such universal support for their actions.
 
2014-08-09 03:50:45 PM  

iheartscotch: itcamefromschenectady: I don't understand how that's ironic. It's the opposite of ironic. They're arguing that strictly following the rulebook is unreasonable, and they're supposedly going to do it to illustrate how unworkable it is.

It'll be ok until some socialite gets murdered after a frantic call to the cops when the cops have to finish their first call. The lawsuits will fly and the lawyers will do ritual combat in the streets. The rules for an organization as large and as old as the NYPD have got to be mostly nonsensical stuff from the 1850's.


Lawsuits won't go anywhere. Police don't have a duty to protect a specific person.
 
2014-08-09 03:53:22 PM  
US asset forfeiture. We're talking here about civil forfeiture related to a criminal case, although criminal charges don't actually have to be filed.
 
2014-08-09 03:54:45 PM  
Crap. Wrong thread.
 
2014-08-09 04:05:29 PM  
I'm for anything that slows officers down from arresting, harming and killing people for not being white.

Cincinnati cops did this after the riots. They did a work slow down to show how necessary they were. Actually things were a lot better without their interference in every day life. No one even missed them and their, "I'm gonna hold my breath," approach to law enforcement was beneficial. I'm sure there are many black men still alive because of it.

Not chuffed. Maybe they could actually follow the Fourth Amendment for awhile and not conduct random searches of people because brown. That would be nice.
 
2014-08-09 04:07:46 PM  

redmid17: iheartscotch: itcamefromschenectady: I don't understand how that's ironic. It's the opposite of ironic. They're arguing that strictly following the rulebook is unreasonable, and they're supposedly going to do it to illustrate how unworkable it is.

It'll be ok until some socialite gets murdered after a frantic call to the cops when the cops have to finish their first call. The lawsuits will fly and the lawyers will do ritual combat in the streets. The rules for an organization as large and as old as the NYPD have got to be mostly nonsensical stuff from the 1850's.

Lawsuits won't go anywhere. Police don't have a duty to protect a specific person.


Who knows where they might go in a state like New York. The city would probably settle anyway, it's cheaper that way. All of the politicians would hold rallies and promise change, reform or free beer on Tuesdays. And nothing would actually change.
 
2014-08-09 04:31:49 PM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-08-09 04:33:29 PM  

Dear Jerk: Word to rule is a traditional tactic to show that work to rule is not practical. But come on, you killed a guy.


Yes, but he was selling illegal cigarettes!
 
2014-08-09 04:40:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ginandbacon: How does anyone in their right mind try to justify this?

I think the NYPD American police believes themselves to be a conquering army occupying a captive state

/sad part is they may be right


FTFY
 
2014-08-09 04:50:02 PM  
shouldn't you uh... always be going by the rulebook?  In every line of work I've been in that's one of the quickest and easiest ways to be fired.
 
2014-08-09 04:52:01 PM  
I used to subscribe to the 'most cops are good so don't view them all as an enemy' bs. But until the blue wall of silence ceases, they are all bad. Until the 'good' cops quit protecting the bad, they are all bad.
 
2014-08-09 04:56:29 PM  
img.fark.net

Remember, it's not a chokehold, it's a windpipe massage.  And they didn't kill him, they just simply documented a small change in his medical state from 'alive' to 'decomposing'.
 
2014-08-09 04:58:45 PM  
Good... slow down "work"... you jackasses were refusing to take reports on real crime so you could artificially lower crime rates, all while harassing, beating, and murdering the people you're supposed to protect. Nobody needs your kind around anyways.
 
2014-08-09 05:06:59 PM  
Sorry, assholes. You aren't allowed to murder people even if you don't think they are sufficiently respecting your authoratah.
 
2014-08-09 05:08:51 PM  

VegasVinnie: it's not a chokehold


www.adinnerguest.com
 
2014-08-09 05:13:08 PM  
I thought it just "a few bad apples" in the police force that made everyone else look bad.
 
2014-08-09 05:14:44 PM  

AirForceVet: Stuff like this gives all unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.


Well normally they would exercise their constitutionally protected right to assemble to strike but then they would be in violation of blatantly unconstitutional laws
 
2014-08-09 05:16:17 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Cincinnati cops did this after the riots. They did a work slow down to show how necessary they were. Actually things were a lot better without their interference in every day life. No one even missed them and their, "I'm gonna hold my breath," approach to law enforcement was beneficial.


That doesn't seem to be the case. A simple google search shows that due to the slowdown, while the arrest rate went down, the number of violent crimes actually rose.

Cincinnati Riots: One Year Later

Cincinnati: A Decade since the Rebellion of 2001

Does Oversight Reduce Policing?

Don't get me wrong. I think the Cincinnati police were out of control. Between 1995 and April 2001, fifteen black males suspected of crimes had been killed by Cincinnati police during confrontation or while in custody, including four since November of 2000, while no white suspects were killed in that time. And it disappoints me that the slowdown resulted in the violent crime stat. I kinda believe they somehow allowed it or even encouraged it, just so they could get their point across.

Anyway, the slowdown sucked, and things didn't get better even without their interference. Over a decade later, things are improving, but there is still along way to go.
 
2014-08-09 06:01:53 PM  
That the NYPD hasn't pulled a coup is a testament to how good the retirement package must be.

I'd hate to be in a job where the rulemakers hate you.
 
2014-08-09 06:01:56 PM  

CasperImproved: AirForceVet: Stuff like this gives all unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.

Maybe it's because all unions have served there purpose like the telegraph wire, and now need to be passed on into the annuls of history. We are all being abused at the same rate now, so unless there is a union of "all", they should individually die off.


You're almost right.  "All" union have served their purpose isn't quite true. While many sectors no longer need union protection, and the unions exist to protect themselves, not the workers, there are still slices of the working class for whom union serve a valuable function.

Coal miners in West Virginia?  Absolutely still need a union.
Million dollar TV anchormen?  Not so much.
Migrant workers picking vegetables? Yes, union, please!
Plumbers charging $75/hour?  Nope.
 
2014-08-09 06:16:01 PM  
Po-Po unhappy? That's a tazzin'. Or a shootin'. Or F us to the criminals? Meh, slow news day?
 
2014-08-09 06:16:41 PM  

VegasVinnie: [img.fark.net image 549x318]

Remember, it's not a chokehold, it's a windpipe massage.  And they didn't kill him, they just simply documented a small change in his medical state from 'alive' to 'decomposing'.


id like to see that ass hole in the jersey swinging from a yardarm come day break.
 
2014-08-09 06:17:33 PM  
reaperducer:
Coal miners in West Virginia?  Absolutely still need a union.
Million dollar TV anchormen?  Not so much.
Migrant workers picking vegetables? Yes, union, please!
Plumbers charging $75/hour?  Nope.


Please stop making sense, it's confusing.
 
2014-08-09 06:22:59 PM  

reaperducer: CasperImproved: AirForceVet: Stuff like this gives all unions a bad name.

/Thanks NYPD for contributing.

Maybe it's because all unions have served there purpose like the telegraph wire, and now need to be passed on into the annuls of history. We are all being abused at the same rate now, so unless there is a union of "all", they should individually die off.

You're almost right.  "All" union have served their purpose isn't quite true. While many sectors no longer need union protection, and the unions exist to protect themselves, not the workers, there are still slices of the working class for whom union serve a valuable function.

Coal miners in West Virginia?  Absolutely still need a union.
Million dollar TV anchormen?  Not so much.
Migrant workers picking vegetables? Yes, union, please!
Plumbers charging $75/hour?  Nope.


When my dad retired he was getting something like 56$ per year of membership in the Meat Cutters Union.
I was working for a place in upstate NY [Aerospace Electrical Connectors] and our union had to fight, kick and bite to get our retirees 23$ per.

i was convinced management completely hated all of us because we were taking away from their monthly and year end multi hundred thousand dollar bonuses for doing SQUAT.
 
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