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2014-08-09 02:38:24 PM  
"Is this some kind of bust?"
"Yes, that's very impressive, but I'm here on police business."
 
2014-08-09 03:30:13 PM  
No evidence that it is illegal money. She has a plausible, easily verifiable story about from whence it, legally, came.
Fine her or charge her for violating the 10,000$ limit; but seize the cash and petition to allow the government to keep it?
Wtf?
 
2014-08-09 03:30:39 PM  
Fecerunt in unum.
 
2014-08-09 03:31:30 PM  
My granny was like that in her later life. She was convinced that somebody somewhere was trying to steal her money.
 
2014-08-09 03:35:19 PM  
Gonzee: seize the cash and petition to allow the government to keep it?
Wtf?


The bad news is that this happens way, way more often than you'd think. The government files against the property itself, basically, not against the apparent owner, and that's it.

Is it douchey, at best? Oh, yes. But because it's allowed, it's way more common than you would want to believe.

That said, the law (right or wrong) says you can't bring over $10k through without declaring it. Trying to sneak it through is an awfully bad idea.
 
2014-08-09 03:36:29 PM  
Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.
 
2014-08-09 03:40:04 PM  
Idiot Tax
 
2014-08-09 03:40:46 PM  

CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.


Are you suggesting that a government employee should use his/her think meat and not follow the rules exactly? You are surely history's greatest monster.
 
2014-08-09 03:42:11 PM  
CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it?

You don't get to be DA by failing to collect tens of thousands of non-tax dollars when the opportunity arises.
 
2014-08-09 03:49:01 PM  
It is seizures like this that buy cops all their wonderful toys, all in the name of the "War on Drugs" of course.

/Which is why legalization won't happen
 
2014-08-09 03:49:38 PM  

CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.


There are consequences for lying repeatedly. It sucks, but the less honest you are the worse they are. There's a time when you have to recognize that the jig is up and hope for leniency.

If she had declared $1,000, fessed up to the $40,000 as soon as she was asked, then it would be barbaric douchiness . As it is, I can see them putting an unnecessary microscope on everything about her life and her son's life now looking for any connection to a drug trade or illicit business, and now every little rule they've ever bent is going to come back to haunt them. All because she's a stubborn old lady.

Even if demanding an immediate forfeit is still the height of douche. I can't figure out how any pre-conviction forfeit is Constitutional at all.
 
2014-08-09 03:52:58 PM  

foxyshadis: CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.

There are consequences for lying repeatedly. It sucks, but the less honest you are the worse they are. There's a time when you have to recognize that the jig is up and hope for leniency.

If she had declared $1,000, fessed up to the $40,000 as soon as she was asked, then it would be barbaric douchiness . As it is, I can see them putting an unnecessary microscope on everything about her life and her son's life now looking for any connection to a drug trade or illicit business, and now every little rule they've ever bent is going to come back to haunt them. All because she's a stubborn old lady.

Even if demanding an immediate forfeit is still the height of douche. I can't figure out how any pre-conviction forfeit is Constitutional at all.


They won't put her life under a microscope. It is up to her to file to have the money returned and proove the money is legal. The process can cost more than what was seized.
 
2014-08-09 03:54:02 PM  
i291.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-09 03:55:37 PM  
US asset forfeiture. We're talking here about civil forfeiture related to a criminal case, although criminal charges don't actually have to be filed.
 
2014-08-09 04:04:13 PM  
Somewhat relevant (and an excellent read on why the War on Drugs is so profitable for law enforcement): http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken
 
2014-08-09 04:06:44 PM  
I was going to post something about the article being useless without pictures.

Then I read the article.  The woman it 78.

I think I'm good with the article the way it is, thanks.
 
2014-08-09 04:08:11 PM  

iheartscotch: My granny was like that in her later life. She was convinced that somebody somewhere was trying to steal her money.


To be fair, elderly are very often preyed upon by crooks and scammers, so she wasn't wrong exactly.
 
2014-08-09 04:17:11 PM  
Federal law requires travelers to declare to customs authorities if they are carrying more than $10,000 in cash.

In a related news story, authorities ae trying to make liquid currency illegal.

What're you sumkinna terr'ist?

You runnin' drug n' guns, are ya?  We're gonna hav'ta conf'scate some sh*t up in here.  If I got it legally, go f*ck your dog, obergruppenfuhrer.
 
2014-08-09 04:29:13 PM  
I'm relatively ok with the seizure. According to the article she lied no less than 8 times during investigation. If she had come clean much earlier, then ok, return it and warn her, but she and her daughter repeatedly lied about what they were carrying. Does she have a readily verifiable reason? If so, then it won't be hard for her to proved how she got the money.

Declaring that you're carrying x amount in currency isn't hard.
 
2014-08-09 04:32:39 PM  

rukus: I'm relatively ok with the seizure. According to the article she lied no less than 8 times during investigation. If she had come clean much earlier, then ok, return it and warn her, but she and her daughter repeatedly lied about what they were carrying. Does she have a readily verifiable reason? If so, then it won't be hard for her to proved how she got the money.

Declaring that you're carrying x amount in currency isn't hard.


But it is potentially less than useful to your financial well being if the mook du jour says "40,000.00?  Terr'ist!  Gotta take your money!"
 
2014-08-09 04:40:56 PM  

rukus: I'm relatively ok with the seizure. According to the article she lied no less than 8 times during investigation. If she had come clean much earlier, then ok, return it and warn her, but she and her daughter repeatedly lied about what they were carrying. Does she have a readily verifiable reason? If so, then it won't be hard for her to proved how she got the money.

Declaring that you're carrying x amount in currency isn't hard.


Yeah, the lying is a crime.  I guess she just didn't want to pay taxes on the money when she arrived in the Philipenes.  How much would the tax have been?
 
2014-08-09 04:41:34 PM  
I couldn't read the stupid headline on their sight, because the dumber banner that let's you post to facebook and twitter was covering it up.
 
2014-08-09 04:46:56 PM  

ski9600: How much would the tax have been?


Less than GE pays every year.
 
2014-08-09 04:48:36 PM  
Actually, we pay them taxes.  And they'e farting through silk.
 
2014-08-09 04:58:27 PM  
She was afraid the government was going to steal it,  and then that's what happened.

Nice little racket they got.
 
2014-08-09 05:03:44 PM  

Boo_Guy: She was afraid the government was going to steal it,  and then that's what happened.

Nice little racket they got.


T  H  I  S  .
 
2014-08-09 05:04:09 PM  

Gonzee: No evidence that it is illegal money. She has a plausible, easily verifiable story about from whence it, legally, came.
Fine her or charge her for violating the 10,000$ limit; but seize the cash and petition to allow the government to keep it?
Wtf?


It's against the law not to declare the money.  There are some things you do NOT lie about.

There are taxes and other things related to moving large sums across borders.  You may not like the law, but that doesn't mean you can just ignore it.

If she had declared the money, she would have been fine.  However, she didn't.  The fine for not declaring the money is the amount of the money you didn't declare.
 
2014-08-09 05:05:24 PM  

CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.


Because then criminals would use old people as mules, most likely coercing them with threats against their families.
 
2014-08-09 05:07:49 PM  
I have a theory.

Our currency would be a lot more valuable if people were allowed to use it and it's liquidity at their discretion.

If the only method of "finding all them terrr'ists!"  our security agencies have is to shake down every man Jack of us with more than 10,000.00 liquid handy, our security agencies are either failures or thieves.

Yeah, they are.
 
2014-08-09 05:13:46 PM  
Way to steal the old lady's money, government.
 
2014-08-09 05:16:53 PM  

bunner: ski9600: How much would the tax have been?

Less than GE pays every year.


Um...I think you meant to say  more than GE pays.  Because the joke would be to imply that an individual would get taxed more on $40k than a huge corporation like GE gets taxed on their billions and billions.
 
2014-08-09 05:18:12 PM  
FTFA: No charges were placed, but officers seized the $40,977 as "currency forfeitable to the United States"

This is bullshiat. That's a taking without just compensation. No charges were filed? Then give the person's property back.
 
2014-08-09 05:21:46 PM  
Meanwhile, when (not if) border security steals your stuff because you were stupid enough to declare it, you have little to no recourse because it's not like they document for you how much they stole from you.

Meanwhile, when (not if) lawyers take a quick flight to a tax haven with a few hundred thousand to deposit it in a drug dealer's/large company's illegal bank account, the chances of getting caught are awfully close to 0%.
 
2014-08-09 05:24:42 PM  

TOSViolation: CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.

Because then criminals would use old people as mules, most likely coercing them with threats against their families.


I covered that with the whole shes got Alzheimer excuse.  If someone was using her as a mule, would they put it in different size packets all over including sown into her clothing?\

Not for 40k.
 
2014-08-09 05:33:05 PM  
How much would it have cost her to wire the money? At least 30% in taxes?
 
2014-08-09 05:38:05 PM  
But she's old!  Amazingly enough, criminals have learned to take advantage of this thought process and use the elderly as mules.

If she sold her house, she should be able to easily provide a money trail showing the cash is hers.  Cashiers check from the buyers bank, deposited, eight withdrawals of 5K, boom, done!
 
2014-08-09 05:42:12 PM  
farkers want to keep it. Assholes.
 
2014-08-09 05:42:57 PM  
I don't really understand America land, why can't you bring substantial amounts of cash in or out of the country? And if not, why not leave it in your account and just take bank card?
 
2014-08-09 05:50:50 PM  

Gonzee: No evidence that it is illegal money. She has a plausible, easily verifiable story about from whence it, legally, came.
Fine her or charge her for violating the 10,000$ limit; but seize the cash and petition to allow the government to keep it?
Wtf?


That's the normal penalty for violating the limit.

bunner: I have a theory.

Our currency would be a lot more valuable if people were allowed to use it and it's liquidity at their discretion.

If the only method of "finding all them terrr'ists!" our security agencies have is to shake down every man Jack of us with more than 10,000.00 liquid handy, our security agencies are either failures or thieves.

Yeah, they are.


You can take as much money in or out as you want--you just can't hide it.

ski9600: Yeah, the lying is a crime. I guess she just didn't want to pay taxes on the money when she arrived in the Philipenes. How much would the tax have been?


Or it was undeclared income in the US.  That's the usual reason.
 
2014-08-09 05:54:46 PM  
Loren:

You can take as much money in or out as you want--you just can't hide it.

Or carry it on your person.  Or fly to another country with it.  Or escape DHS scrutiny.  Or buy something that seems out of range of your Experian score.  Ifx you buy something, but don't buy the obligatory debt the oligarchy demands, yo ass gwine ta get shook out, brah.
 
2014-08-09 07:44:58 PM  
Ok, they have had this law for how long? When does it get adjusted for inflation? The old lady might have been clear...
Ok, so she lied about it. That doesn't mean you just get to take it, especially without charges that can be fought? WTF?
Ever have an old relative? Maybe 78 years old? Ever notice that as they get older, they get 'funnier'. (not haha funny)
Doesn't surprise me that she did this, I doubt it was for nefarious purposes, especially that it sounds like she sold her house and was going back to the Plipins, maybe to live there with her retirement funds?
Sure, just wire it, but old people do funny stuff and certainly do not deserve to be blatantly ripped off.
Don't know the whole story, but at face value, it reflects much of what is wrong with current 'laws and systems'.
Pick up that can...
 
2014-08-09 07:50:21 PM  
Lying old lady and daughter broke a law. Dumb law but there ya go.

Confiscating all her cash without charging her for anything seems rather drastic.
 
2014-08-09 08:48:30 PM  
Many countries have laws like this for exiting/entering the country. All seam to be about $10,000 US.
 
2014-08-09 09:15:32 PM  

CasperImproved: TOSViolation: CasperImproved: Why didn't they just give her a pass on account of age, and just have her declare it? If she was being driven to do it by someone else, I'm sure the plan wouldn't have been so Alzheimery in execution.

/Stupid supervisor could have made a command decision.

Because then criminals would use old people as mules, most likely coercing them with threats against their families.

I covered that with the whole shes got Alzheimer excuse.  If someone was using her as a mule, would they put it in different size packets all over including sown into her clothing?\

Not for 40k.


What do you mean about THEM doing it?  Also, sure they might.  How would YOU pack $40k on a person?  Have you ever seen how big that much money is?  Even in $100s, that's 400 of them.  Look how thick a ream of printer paper is.  Yeah.  That's a lot to hide in one place.
 
2014-08-09 10:13:43 PM  
It's pure and simple robbery.  Even IF Mr. TOSViolation will obey any "rule" the politicians make.  Still Granny should have been smarter.  Please don't smuggle the government's own money.  Convert to bitcoin in whatever country; transport encrypted file anywhere at little risk; then convert to federal money at leisure when home.
 
2014-08-10 10:06:01 AM  

quatchi: Lying old lady and daughter broke a law. Dumb law but there ya go.

Confiscating all her cash without charging her for anything seems rather drastic.


Why else do you think they have this law?
 
2014-08-10 11:48:19 AM  

Gonzee: No evidence that it is illegal money. She has a plausible, easily verifiable story about from whence it, legally, came.
Fine her or charge her for violating the 10,000$ limit; but seize the cash and petition to allow the government to keep it?
Wtf?


Law Enforcement  - Sometimes seems like just a street gang with uniforms.
 
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