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(Mother Nature Network)   It turns out the reason astronauts have trouble sleeping while in space has nothing to do with thoughts of Uranus   (mnn.com ) divider line
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2014-08-09 05:00:31 PM  
fta "The ability of a crew member to perform at their best if awakened from sleep by an emergency alarm could be jeopardized by use of sleep-promoting drugs," the researchers wrote in their study

Really? Because hearing "Aren't you late for class?" after a night of drinking always motivated the hell out of me
 
2014-08-09 06:12:42 PM  
That article was actually kind of pointless: astronauts sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.
 
2014-08-09 06:28:59 PM  

Cork on Fork: That article was actually kind of pointless: astronautspeople sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.

 
2014-08-09 06:34:36 PM  
I haven't seen once the fact that they are around a bunch of noisy equipment, including the fans necessary to mix air.  They're inside a primitive machine; make the machine a little more quiet!

/also try to hire astronauts who grew up next to a train track or freeway with roving packs of after-bar crotch rockets, or even both; I'm sure you have enough job applications
 
2014-08-09 06:40:02 PM  
I vaguely recall a study a few years ago that said the lack of gravity had a detrimental effect on the length of REM sleep.
 
2014-08-09 06:52:41 PM  
Subby just came out of the closet with that headline
 
2014-08-09 07:18:14 PM  
You know women have assholes too, right?
 
2014-08-09 07:26:45 PM  
img.fark.net
LiveScience and Mother Nature News are apparently a front-end for cracked.com?
 
2014-08-09 07:26:49 PM  

VTGremlin: You know women have assholes too, right?


Sure they do, for pooping.  There is a much better playground right next door
 
2014-08-09 07:43:13 PM  
Women are only allowed to marry one man because nobody needs two assholes.
 
2014-08-09 07:44:15 PM  
Lotta background noise on ISS.

I have a "new" pretty quiet computer in the living room, along with a sofa I tend to doze off on...and my old noisier pooter is in the other room, with the futon.

Guess where it's a little easier for me to conk off.
 
2014-08-09 08:11:23 PM  

Cpl.D: Kittypie070: Lotta background noise on ISS.

I have a "new" pretty quiet computer in the living room, along with a sofa I tend to doze off on...and my old noisier pooter is in the other room, with the futon.

Guess where it's a little easier for me to conk off.


I feel lucky.  You can roll me up in a carpet, throw me inside a tumbler loaded with metallic gravel, and I'll still get a full six hours of sleep.


The hell? Did you end up sleeping next to the A/C while you was in the sandbox?
 
2014-08-09 08:23:51 PM  
probably tough to bate it before bed with those other astronauts around
 
2014-08-09 08:28:07 PM  
FTA:
Astronauts often suffer from sleep deprivation during space flight and in the months leading up to a mission, a new study finds.

So...it has nothing to do with space flight or zero G, since it's happening on earth.

FTA:
In addition, about three-quarters of astronauts in the study said they took sleeping pills while they were in space - with some taking the pills just a few hours before they woke up 

Uh, how're they taking sleeping pills while they're sleeping?
 
2014-08-09 08:53:40 PM  

Sugarbombs: I haven't seen once the fact that they are around a bunch of noisy equipment, including the fans necessary to mix air.  They're inside a primitive machine; make the machine a little more quiet!

/also try to hire astronauts who grew up next to a train track or freeway with roving packs of after-bar crotch rockets, or even both; I'm sure you have enough job applications


As long as the noise is consistent, your brain filters it out. My old laptop's fan wasn't particularly quiet but in my dorm I couldn't hear it over the HVAC fan that was constantly running. At first, the HVAC fan bothered me because it was a new sound and there was no way to turn it off. The thermostat didn't even seem to have an effect on the temperature, much less the fan. Eventually, I got used to it. The lack of gravity could be hard to get used to, though. We are used to sleeping on something and suddenly trying to sleep while you are basically just touching the bed can be hard.
 
2014-08-09 08:56:54 PM  
I would jump at an opportunity to visit the ISS, but what a horrible place to live:

+ Truly ugly, functional but extremely uncomfortable interiors
+ NOISY
+ Hot (or cold)
+ No real privacy
+ Few human scaled comfortable places to relax in.

Contrast to these 1970 NASA depictions:
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/1970s-space-station/
i.imgur.com


i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-09 08:59:30 PM  
Pretty sure if you hear. OMG WE'RE GONNA DIE!

You'll wake your ass up and perform.
 
2014-08-09 09:07:47 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Cork on Fork: That article was actually kind of pointless: astronautspeople sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.


This. I travel some for work. The motel HVAC units (I have found out they are called Packaged Terminal Air Conditioners) are a PITA. Lots of hotels have them set up to cycle the fan off as soon as the room hits the setpoint temperature. Thank goodness for web access. I can usually find the installation manual on line and reset the fan to always run while the machine is on. I need that white noise, but it also helps the room feel less stuffy.
 
2014-08-09 09:22:23 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: probably tough to bate it before bed with those other astronauts around


Well, cleanup isn't going to be easy. You're gonna have to chase your load around the pod with a kleenex or something.
 
2014-08-09 09:43:54 PM  

Unobtanium: ArcadianRefugee: Cork on Fork: That article was actually kind of pointless: astronautspeople sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.

This. I travel some for work. The motel HVAC units (I have found out they are called Packaged Terminal Air Conditioners) are a PITA. Lots of hotels have them set up to cycle the fan off as soon as the room hits the setpoint temperature. Thank goodness for web access. I can usually find the installation manual on line and reset the fan to always run while the machine is on. I need that white noise, but it also helps the room feel less stuffy.


Oooooh... thanks for making my future hotel stays more pleasant!

/ why didn't I think of that?
// cuz I iz dumb
 
2014-08-09 09:56:27 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Sugarbombs: I haven't seen once the fact that they are around a bunch of noisy equipment, including the fans necessary to mix air.  They're inside a primitive machine; make the machine a little more quiet!

/also try to hire astronauts who grew up next to a train track or freeway with roving packs of after-bar crotch rockets, or even both; I'm sure you have enough job applications

As long as the noise is consistent, your brain filters it out. My old laptop's fan wasn't particularly quiet but in my dorm I couldn't hear it over the HVAC fan that was constantly running. At first, the HVAC fan bothered me because it was a new sound and there was no way to turn it off. The thermostat didn't even seem to have an effect on the temperature, much less the fan. Eventually, I got used to it. The lack of gravity could be hard to get used to, though. We are used to sleeping on something and suddenly trying to sleep while you are basically just touching the bed can be hard.


I thinking zero g would be extremely comfy, especially on my back.
 
2014-08-09 10:47:53 PM  
And yet people think living on Mars would be a peachy keen way to spend their time. As I keep saying, you'd go insane before long. You'd be sick, sleep-deprived, and irradiated. It would not be any sort of fun... And this is assuming you bring food and water to last.


MechaPyx: I thinking zero g would be extremely comfy, especially on my back.


Nope. In fact, it would likely cause worse back pain. I'd imagine there'd either be prolonged vasodilation, or you'd suffer something like the bends/decompression sickness.

There's a reason why astronauts have to be in top physical condition. People who already have bad backs, weak bladders, and limited lung capacity (among other things) should probably stay on Earth.
 
2014-08-09 10:53:54 PM  

WilderKWight: And yet people think living on Mars would be a peachy keen way to spend their time. As I keep saying, you'd go insane before long. You'd be sick, sleep-deprived, and irradiated. It would not be any sort of fun... And this is assuming you bring food and water to last.


Why, exactly, would you be sick, sleep deprived, and irradiated?

Presumably, we left to colonize Mars. Which also presumes we would have equipped any colony vessels with proper anti-radiation measures. I'm not sure why you supposed they'd be sick and sleep deprived. Are you implying there are martian flu strains we're unaware of? Martian allergies? Martian Hay fever?  If you're going to point to, say, scurvy, or other food-related sicknesses, see previous 'if we were going to colonize' clause.
 
2014-08-09 10:58:31 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I vaguely recall a study a few years ago that said the lack of gravity had a detrimental effect on the length of REM sleep.


I'd find it hard to sleep too if I couldn't lie "down."
 
2014-08-09 11:26:15 PM  

Unobtanium: ArcadianRefugee: Cork on Fork: That article was actually kind of pointless: astronautspeople sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.

This. I travel some for work. The motel HVAC units (I have found out they are called Packaged Terminal Air Conditioners) are a PITA. Lots of hotels have them set up to cycle the fan off as soon as the room hits the setpoint temperature. Thank goodness for web access. I can usually find the installation manual on line and reset the fan to always run while the machine is on. I need that white noise, but it also helps the room feel less stuffy.


Do you return it to the hotel's preferred settings before you leave, or are you just a big jerk who feels everyone should do things your way?

/just kidding; I don't care: that's just an idea I am embarrassed not to have thought of on my own
 
2014-08-09 11:28:34 PM  
So if I read this headline correctly, anal contemplation can be considered the opposite of sheep counting.
Which could be counter-intuitive depending on how you feel about sheep.
 
2014-08-09 11:36:10 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: UNC_Samurai: I vaguely recall a study a few years ago that said the lack of gravity had a detrimental effect on the length of REM sleep.

I'd find it hard to sleep too if I couldn't lie "down."


Combonation hammock / inflatable 'mummy-style' sleeping bag? One would have support for one's head/limbs/spine, and be thethered rather than strapped to the wall.
 
2014-08-09 11:51:40 PM  

MechaPyx: Tobin_Lam: Sugarbombs: I haven't seen once the fact that they are around a bunch of noisy equipment, including the fans necessary to mix air.  They're inside a primitive machine; make the machine a little more quiet!

/also try to hire astronauts who grew up next to a train track or freeway with roving packs of after-bar crotch rockets, or even both; I'm sure you have enough job applications

As long as the noise is consistent, your brain filters it out. My old laptop's fan wasn't particularly quiet but in my dorm I couldn't hear it over the HVAC fan that was constantly running. At first, the HVAC fan bothered me because it was a new sound and there was no way to turn it off. The thermostat didn't even seem to have an effect on the temperature, much less the fan. Eventually, I got used to it. The lack of gravity could be hard to get used to, though. We are used to sleeping on something and suddenly trying to sleep while you are basically just touching the bed can be hard.

I thinking zero g would be extremely comfy, especially on my back.


That's the problem.

In microgravity your body realizes it doesn't even need bones, and starts getting rid of them.
 
2014-08-10 12:42:29 AM  

WilderKWight: And yet people think living on Mars would be a peachy keen way to spend their time. As I keep saying, you'd go insane before long. You'd be sick, sleep-deprived, and irradiated. It would not be any sort of fun... And this is assuming you bring food and water to last.


MechaPyx: I thinking zero g would be extremely comfy, especially on my back.

Nope. In fact, it would likely cause worse back pain. I'd imagine there'd either be prolonged vasodilation, or you'd suffer something like the bends/decompression sickness.

There's a reason why astronauts have to be in top physical condition. People who already have bad backs, weak bladders, and limited lung capacity (among other things) should probably stay on Earth.


Hrm...well I definitely need to find an alternative because lying on a mattress just isn't cutting it these days.
 
2014-08-10 01:33:27 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Unobtanium: ArcadianRefugee: Cork on Fork: That article was actually kind of pointless: astronautspeople sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.

This. I travel some for work. The motel HVAC units (I have found out they are called Packaged Terminal Air Conditioners) are a PITA. Lots of hotels have them set up to cycle the fan off as soon as the room hits the setpoint temperature. Thank goodness for web access. I can usually find the installation manual on line and reset the fan to always run while the machine is on. I need that white noise, but it also helps the room feel less stuffy.

Do you return it to the hotel's preferred settings before you leave, or are you just a big jerk who feels everyone should do things your way?

/just kidding; I don't care: that's just an idea I am embarrassed not to have thought of on my own


It depends. Some of these things appeear to be set up to reset to their default every so often. If it is a wall thermostat with an obvious "fan" setting I leave it. If I had to "hack" the unit (removing the cover to access the switch or reprogramming the digital thermostat) I usually reset it.
 
2014-08-10 01:40:13 PM  

SFSailor: Unobtanium: ArcadianRefugee: Cork on Fork: That article was actually kind of pointless: astronautspeople sleep less when they are stressed or uncomfortable. Whoa, stop the presses.

This. I travel some for work. The motel HVAC units (I have found out they are called Packaged Terminal Air Conditioners) are a PITA. Lots of hotels have them set up to cycle the fan off as soon as the room hits the setpoint temperature. Thank goodness for web access. I can usually find the installation manual on line and reset the fan to always run while the machine is on. I need that white noise, but it also helps the room feel less stuffy.

Oooooh... thanks for making my future hotel stays more pleasant!

/ why didn't I think of that?
// cuz I iz dumb


The way to find the manual involves removing the cover, and then searching on the model number, plus the word "manual" or "installation manual." It is not a perfect system. If the PTAC has a digital thermostat, it is generally a series of keypresses to enter the setup or programming mode. If it is the old style with knobs, that is either a slide switch, DIP switches, or sometimes a jumper wire to be moved. If it is a wall thermostat, all bets are off. If you zap yourself, burn down the motel, or otherwise cause damage and mayhem, that is your fault for trusting some anonymous info you read on the internet.
 
2014-08-10 01:53:00 PM  
SFSailor:


Oooooh... thanks for making my future hotel stays more pleasant!

/ why didn't I think of that?
// cuz I iz dumb


ArcadianRefugee:
Do you return it to the hotel's preferred settings before you leave, or are you just a big jerk who feels everyone should do things your way?

/just kidding; I don't care: that's just an idea I am embarrassed not to have thought of on my own


Oh, by the way, about 1 out of about 8 times, the install manual is hidden under the cover, sometimes folded up in a little plastic envelope. No internet required.
 
2014-08-10 05:57:48 PM  
Subby, you only say that because you have never seen my ranus.
 
2014-08-10 11:32:13 PM  
In deep space.  Abandoned.

Any crew?

Negative.
 
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