Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(TwinCities.com)   So, how are you paying for the new bike boulevard? Me? I thought you were paying for it   (twincities.com ) divider line
    More: Asinine  
•       •       •

2616 clicks; posted to Politics » on 09 Aug 2014 at 10:43 AM (1 year ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



51 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-09 10:11:16 AM  
Reminds me of the president who sent the Navy halfway around the world daring Congress to refuse to appropriate the money to bring them back. (Allegedly. Seems to be an embellished legend about the Great White Fleet.)

We have similar tactics in my area. School committee members knew if they didn't buy heating oil, it would be made to appear somehow when winter came around.
 
2014-08-09 10:47:50 AM  
Maybe Prince can help.
 
2014-08-09 10:59:36 AM  
A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....
 
2014-08-09 11:03:51 AM  
well, many 'muricans upgrade their homes after getting a salary cut.   or buy much more house than they can afford.
 
2014-08-09 11:28:28 AM  
Make bike riders pay for them.
 
2014-08-09 11:29:31 AM  
That's a crap load of money for a bike lane.
 
2014-08-09 11:31:21 AM  
How many months in a typical year can you ride a bicycle in Minnesota anyway?
 
2014-08-09 11:44:21 AM  

Farty McPooPants: How many months in a typical year can you ride a bicycle in Minnesota anyway?


The trails here in Madison, WI have their own plow.  You see lots of people using the trails year round.  In fact, if you have a good mountain bike or a fat tire you're likely to get where you're going faster and safer than trying to get on the road.  And once the lakes are frozen solid you can cut serious time off your commute.
 
2014-08-09 11:46:42 AM  
Things cost money?

austerityisgenocide.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-09 11:47:53 AM  

Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....


Share the cost.
 
2014-08-09 11:48:47 AM  
It's OK, the bike paths were being built by drunken Irishmen anyway.
 
2014-08-09 11:49:21 AM  

Linux_Yes: well, many 'muricans upgrade their homes after getting a salary cut.   or buy much more house than they can afford.


Difference is, they pay for the consequences. Government officials rarely do.
 
2014-08-09 11:52:52 AM  
God damn it St. Paul. If you're going to spend money on transportation, spend it getting people who need to go places to the places they need to go.

Before building a couple of vanity lanes down some calm residential streets, how about fixing the situation downtown. Maybe work on bicycle and pedestrian routes in and out of downtown before you spend another billion dollars on trains?
 
2014-08-09 11:54:50 AM  
With tax cuts?
 
2014-08-09 12:00:40 PM  

Destructor: Linux_Yes: well, many 'muricans upgrade their homes after getting a salary cut.   or buy much more house than they can afford.

Difference is, they pay for the consequences. Government officials rarely do.



and Wall Street Bank crooks rarely do too.  they just ask for a government bailout and get it.  aka 2008/09 banking crises.
 
2014-08-09 12:15:44 PM  

Linux_Yes: Destructor: Linux_Yes: well, many 'muricans upgrade their homes after getting a salary cut.   or buy much more house than they can afford.

Difference is, they pay for the consequences. Government officials rarely do.


and Wall Street Bank crooks rarely do too.  they just ask for a government bailout and get it.  aka 2008/09 banking crises.


weknowmemes.com
 
2014-08-09 12:22:27 PM  

wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.


Bicyclists already pay more than their share for roads. It's the automobiles that cost more money than they contribute.
 
2014-08-09 12:27:55 PM  

wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.


Don't worry, cupcake. The people riding their bkes around on the Mississippi River Blvd pay a lot more in taxes than you do.
 
2014-08-09 12:30:44 PM  

Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....


Cars follow traffic rules? That's funny, around here, you can spend days on end on the freeway and never see a single car obeying the speed limit.

Or camp out by any stop sign and not see a single car come to a complete stop.
 
2014-08-09 12:33:00 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Make bike riders pay for them.


I'm okay with this.

EIP and I'll let you know where to send the check for my refund on all the road construction.
 
2014-08-09 12:44:45 PM  

Ablejack: wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.

Bicyclists already pay more than their share for roads. It's the automobiles that cost more money than they contribute.


no licensing and no gas taxes.. I'd like to see the explanation of your logic
 
2014-08-09 12:49:00 PM  

bhcompy: Ablejack: wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.

Bicyclists already pay more than their share for roads. It's the automobiles that cost more money than they contribute.

no licensing and no gas taxes.. I'd like to see the explanation of your logic


How much damage do you think those bicycles are doing?
 
2014-08-09 12:55:40 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: bhcompy: Ablejack: wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.

Bicyclists already pay more than their share for roads. It's the automobiles that cost more money than they contribute.

no licensing and no gas taxes.. I'd like to see the explanation of your logic

How much damage do you think those bicycles are doing?


Upkeep cost from road use is only a small part of the overall cost of a road.
 
2014-08-09 12:55:56 PM  

Ablejack: wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.

Bicyclists already pay more than their share for roads. It's the automobiles that cost more money than they contribute.


I'm always amused when people say bike riders don't "share the cost" since the vast majority of them also own cars.
 
2014-08-09 12:57:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Make bike riders pay for them.


They already do. Everyone pays into the same roads, bike paths, etc.
 
2014-08-09 12:58:10 PM  

mcreadyblue: That's a crap load of money for a bike lane.


It's more involved than a bike lane. It's meant to slow down traffic in residential areas while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.
 
2014-08-09 01:01:25 PM  

bhcompy: Ablejack: wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.

Bicyclists already pay more than their share for roads. It's the automobiles that cost more money than they contribute.

no licensing and no gas taxes.. I'd like to see the explanation of your logic


Licensing fees pay for state DMVs. Gas taxes are paid for by everyone who buys petroleum-based fuel. Almost everyone who rides a bike drives a car. Moreover, over 50% of road costs throughout the nation are paid for by income taxes.

And then there's the whole nation's freeway system that non-automobile drivers pay for but aren't allowed to utilize.

Thus, if you don't drive a car, you pay a lot more for what transportation you're allowed to use than anyone else.
 
2014-08-09 01:02:17 PM  

RareChimer: while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.


No pedestrian in their right mind would share lanes with a cyclist.  They're worse than car drivers when it comes to lesser forms of traffic
 
2014-08-09 01:04:53 PM  

bhcompy: RareChimer: while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.

No pedestrian in their right mind would share lanes with a cyclist.  They're worse than car drivers when it comes to lesser forms of traffic


Not so much sharing a lane as slowing the flow of traffic in residential areas.  Sure beats speed bumps.
 
2014-08-09 01:06:55 PM  

bhcompy: RareChimer: while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.

No pedestrian in their right mind would share lanes with a cyclist.  They're worse than car drivers when it comes to lesser forms of traffic


Know how I know you've never been on a bike path?
 
2014-08-09 01:07:09 PM  

bhcompy: RareChimer: while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.

No pedestrian in their right mind would share lanes with a cyclist.  They're worse than car drivers when it comes to lesser forms of traffic


You misunderstand. The bicycle boulevard is one aspect of the entire Complete Streets treatment that the two roads are receiving.

FTA: Construction will add traffic circles, street markings, sidewalk extensions and signage to 1.5 miles of Griggs Street, from Summit to Minnehaha avenues, and 3.8 miles of Jefferson Avenue, from Mississippi River Boulevard to Duke Street.

Those sidewalk extensions serve multiple purposes-- limiting automobile speed by narrowing road entries and decreasing the time it takes to cross a road thus decreasing pedestrian risk in intersections.
 
2014-08-09 01:09:01 PM  
www.filmbuffonline.com

/Today we're teaching poodles how to fly!
 
2014-08-09 01:09:09 PM  

Kibbler: bhcompy: RareChimer: while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.

No pedestrian in their right mind would share lanes with a cyclist.  They're worse than car drivers when it comes to lesser forms of traffic

Know how I know you've never been on a bike path?


Know how I know you've never been to Golden Gate Park on a weekend?
 
2014-08-09 01:13:35 PM  

bhcompy: Kibbler: bhcompy: RareChimer: while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.

No pedestrian in their right mind would share lanes with a cyclist.  They're worse than car drivers when it comes to lesser forms of traffic

Know how I know you've never been on a bike path?

Know how I know you've never been to Golden Gate Park on a weekend?


A D-bag is a D-bag regardless of mode of transportation or location.
 
2014-08-09 01:27:00 PM  

RareChimer: Satanic_Hamster: Make bike riders pay for them.

They already do. Everyone pays into the same roads, bike paths, etc.


I was more thinking of a tax on men wearing spandex shorts.
 
2014-08-09 01:34:10 PM  
Seize the money from the Obama healthcare program.
 
2014-08-09 01:45:14 PM  
My wife is a Civil engineer for the state DoT.  WHen designing roads she gets a lot of requests for added features on roads (Bike lanes, handicap ramps, buggy lanes for the Amish, brick crosswalks, etc) from groups, yet those same groups don't want to pay for them.
 
2014-08-09 01:51:49 PM  
Agenda 21 requires bikes as the primary mode of transport so this makes sense.
 
2014-08-09 01:52:47 PM  

kkinnison: My wife is a Civil engineer for the state DoT.  WHen designing roads she gets a lot of requests for added features on roads (Bike lanes, handicap ramps, buggy lanes for the Amish, brick crosswalks, etc) from groups, yet those same groups don't want to pay for them.


You may not fully understand how it works. It doesn't matter who wants to pay for public infrastructure-- we all pay. No "group" can be billed for public infrastructure. That's what makes it public. When a private group uses their own money to build infrastructure, it's called a private road (often monetized to be a "toll road").
 
2014-08-09 01:57:21 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Agenda 21 requires bikes as the primary mode of transport so this makes sense.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-09 02:34:44 PM  

RareChimer: mcreadyblue: That's a crap load of money for a bike lane.

It's more involved than a bike lane. It's meant to slow down traffic in residential areas while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.


Oh, well that's worth an extra $900k then.
 
2014-08-09 02:48:07 PM  

mcreadyblue: RareChimer: mcreadyblue: That's a crap load of money for a bike lane.

It's more involved than a bike lane. It's meant to slow down traffic in residential areas while better facilitating bicycle and pedestrian travel.

Oh, well that's worth an extra $900k then.


I see the sarcasm and agree with the sentiment. The problem with the underfunding came with the lack of foresight in regards to the price differential between the first and second RFP. The first RFP happened during the doldrums of the recession and all the contractors were offering cut-throat prices for work. They planned the bike boulevards around those costs, but when the RFP was relaunched "post"-recession, the proposals from the same contractors were significantly higher.

Although, I'm of the camp that says you could do a sufficiently good job with in-house planners and in-house construction instead of hiring for-profit firms like Alta.
 
2014-08-09 03:11:55 PM  

RareChimer: kkinnison: My wife is a Civil engineer for the state DoT.  WHen designing roads she gets a lot of requests for added features on roads (Bike lanes, handicap ramps, buggy lanes for the Amish, brick crosswalks, etc) from groups, yet those same groups don't want to pay for them.

You may not fully understand how it works. It doesn't matter who wants to pay for public infrastructure-- we all pay. No "group" can be billed for public infrastructure. That's what makes it public. When a private group uses their own money to build infrastructure, it's called a private road (often monetized to be a "toll road").


Cities, counties,  and states do not issue currency.  They have to balance their budgets.  If they cannot raise bonds to build a bike path or otherwise secure funds for it, they're going to build or repair something that doesn't result in a revenue negative position.  And there is no universal "we".  Some states use property taxes to pay for local infrastructure.  Some don't have any.  Some use state government general funds to pay for roads. Some don't.
 
2014-08-09 03:35:07 PM  
"Public Works officials say they have enough money to cover the construction aspect of the contract, but not the engineering conducted by city staff or other city services, such as signage and striping."

Poor little piggies - the trough was empty when they finally got a turn. :(
 
2014-08-09 04:52:05 PM  

kkinnison: My wife is a Civil engineer for the state DoT.  WHen designing roads she gets a lot of requests for added features on roads (Bike lanes, handicap ramps, buggy lanes for the Amish, brick crosswalks, etc) from groups, yet those same groups don't want to pay for them.



That's hilarious. The State DoT is giving automobile operators a facility "for free" -- did these project start out with self-identified drivers coming forward with an offer to "pay for them"? Oh wait, there's this voluntary collection basket outside the state DoT (in a drive-up lane, natch)?

But you frame the desire for any non-automobile facility on a public right-of-way as a ridiculous extravagance that requires voluntary contributions by certain self-identified groups, despite that the funds paying for the facility are from the PUBLIC treasury, to which all members of the public contribute.

I guess you feel some taxpayers are more equal than others.

And not even considering what should have been designed into a road in the first place makes her (or more likely, a fictitious person of your imagination) very bad at her job.
 
2014-08-09 05:04:40 PM  

wellreadneck: Giltric: A bike boulevard?

Why cant they just build a new boulevard for the cars and give the fixie riders the old car road.

It all seems like a waste for vehicles that are supposed to follow traffic laws like cars do.

share the road.....

Share the cost.


Most road construction is paid for with income taxes, only about 4% of road funding nationally comes from fuel taxes... everyone shares the cost already.
 
2014-08-09 05:47:16 PM  

firefly212: Most road construction is paid for with income taxes, only about 4% of road funding nationally comes from fuel taxes... everyone shares the cost already.


?  Local roads in California are paid for primarily by property taxes, state gas taxes, and vehicle registration fees.  There are other funding sources, like matching federal funds, special voter approved taxes that vary by municipality, etc, but the other funding sources are the primary universal sources. General fund dollars(which is where income taxes go) don't even enter in to it.  High density urban dwellers who don't own a car or property(which is a significant number these days in cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Long Beach, etc) pay zero gas taxes/VLF and are mainly renters, so they don't even directly pay property taxes

Highways are similar.  State and federal gas taxes and VLF(including the truck weight fees charged to big rigs, which are ubiquitous in CA given the busy ports).  No income taxes.
 
2014-08-09 11:25:35 PM  

StopLurkListen: kkinnison: My wife is a Civil engineer for the state DoT.  WHen designing roads she gets a lot of requests for added features on roads (Bike lanes, handicap ramps, buggy lanes for the Amish, brick crosswalks, etc) from groups, yet those same groups don't want to pay for them.


That's hilarious. The State DoT is giving automobile operators a facility "for free" -- did these project start out with self-identified drivers coming forward with an offer to "pay for them"? Oh wait, there's this voluntary collection basket outside the state DoT (in a drive-up lane, natch)?

But you frame the desire for any non-automobile facility on a public right-of-way as a ridiculous extravagance that requires voluntary contributions by certain self-identified groups, despite that the funds paying for the facility are from the PUBLIC treasury, to which all members of the public contribute.

I guess you feel some taxpayers are more equal than others.

And not even considering what should have been designed into a road in the first place makes her (or more likely, a fictitious person of your imagination) very bad at her job.


When you are doing a coat and seal on an EXISTING ROAD, you are not going to add a bike lane

nice try at fake outrage
 
2014-08-10 11:48:18 AM  

bhcompy: ? Local roads in California are paid for primarily by property taxes, state gas taxes, and vehicle registration fees.


Pretty sure the majority of cyclists fall into all three of those categories.
 
2014-08-10 01:49:45 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Agenda 21 requires bikes as the primary mode of transport so this makes sense.


The Strongly Worded Letter Gang that Can't Shoot Straight Evil Black Helicopter Agenda 21 Socialist Illuminati Trilateral Commission Bilderberg Group Conspiracy has been kind enough to put Agenda 21 up on the Web for all to see.  Just in case you're not trolling and actually believe this, you can browse through that site and point to where Agenda 21 anywhere "requires bikes as the primary mode of transport."
 
Displayed 50 of 51 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report