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(Washington Examiner)   Teen Marijuana use drops in Colorado after legalization. "It's something that kids are seeing adults use all over the place. It just doesn't seem as cool to kids anymore"   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 68
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2014-08-08 11:57:07 PM
the mystique of the illicit.
 
2014-08-09 12:12:40 AM
They've moved on to the bath salts.
 
2014-08-09 01:21:09 AM
So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?
 
2014-08-09 02:05:20 AM

violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?


It's almost as if the lesson we learned about alcohol 80 years ago can be applied to other substances.
 
2014-08-09 04:05:32 AM
I guess they won't be bogarting that joint.
 
2014-08-09 04:16:04 AM

violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?


omg, so much truth.  We need to get rid of "OMG, the CHILDREN!!!!!"  We are only children for a tiny fraction of our lives.  Why not teach them to be adults instead?
 
2014-08-09 04:16:15 AM
So wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has been COMPLETELY counterproductive in pretty much every way?
 
2014-08-09 04:20:56 AM
The Dutch learned this years ago.
 
2014-08-09 04:22:29 AM
Ha-ha!
 
2014-08-09 04:22:50 AM

violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?


I saw an article the other day that said the black market was still flourishing in CO.  I can believe it too, since I live here and the prices in stores are ridiculous.  Hopefully things will stabilize eventually.

So, I don't know about street sales, but the black market is doing fine.  One dealer they interviewed said that prices had been going down before legalization and since January they've gone up so he was happy.

I can't explain why black market prices have gone up (if they actually have), but I guess legal stores buying up formerly illicit pot and out of staters rushing to CO to get high are a couple of possibilities.

Surrounding states have reported an increase in marijuana busts.  I'm also scared to drive out of state with Colorado plates on my car.  Fortunately, I don't really have any reason to.
 
2014-08-09 04:34:06 AM

violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?


Drugz are bad!
 
2014-08-09 04:36:37 AM

shower_in_my_socks: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

It's almost as if the lesson we learned about alcohol 80 years ago can be applied to other substances.


Pretty sure that if anyone needs to be infromed that telling a kid they can't have a cookie only increases their desire for said cookie, then they may be functionally retarded. There is probably a parable in the Bible about situations like this, not that Puritans ever read the Bible..
 
2014-08-09 04:54:54 AM

gfid: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

I saw an article the other day that said the black market was still flourishing in CO.  I can believe it too, since I live here and the prices in stores are ridiculous.  Hopefully things will stabilize eventually.



Not surprising that the existing black market network still exists. If you have a favorite supplier who delivers your favorite strain at a known level of quality, why switch? Over time though I suspect that those networks will decay. Existing customers will shrink through attrition and new customers will likely go the legal route. At some point dealers will start getting busted for tax evasion, which if you ask Al Capone, is a hard charge to beat. Sure there were silly tax stamps before that dealers could be charged for not having but now that there is a legitimate tax stream to the state government, they're going to want to ensure it flows as freely as possible.
 
2014-08-09 05:16:13 AM

EngineerAU: Not surprising that the existing black market network still exists. If you have a favorite supplier who delivers your favorite strain at a known level of quality, why switch? Over time though I suspect that those networks will decay. Existing customers will shrink through attrition and new customers will likely go the legal route. At some point dealers will start getting busted for tax evasion, which if you ask Al Capone, is a hard charge to beat. Sure there were silly tax stamps before that dealers could be charged for not having but now that there is a legitimate tax stream to the state government, they're going to want to ensure it flows as freely as possible.


I wonder what happened to alcohol after it was legalized.
Did similar things happen? Anyone read the history?
 
2014-08-09 05:27:26 AM
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"Drugs are for idiots, I'm never gonna be that person!"

 Puff...puff...puffity puff-puff.

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2014-08-09 05:30:34 AM
Gee it's almost as if the illegal market for it has shrunk making it harder to get.

Besides that it's only a 4% difference,  so far.


I doubt it has much to do with all the adults doing it

Want to smoke some joints later son?
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2014-08-09 06:10:58 AM

WhoGAS: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

omg, so much truth.  We need to get rid of "OMG, the CHILDREN!!!!!"  We are only children for a tiny fraction of our lives.  Why not teach them to be adults instead?


Crazy talk. Are you high?
 
2014-08-09 06:14:34 AM

violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?


Don't worry, I'll think of something.
 
2014-08-09 06:47:19 AM

gfid: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

I saw an article the other day that said the black market was still flourishing in CO.  I can believe it too, since I live here and the prices in stores are ridiculous.  Hopefully things will stabilize eventually.

So, I don't know about street sales, but the black market is doing fine.  One dealer they interviewed said that prices had been going down before legalization and since January they've gone up so he was happy.

I can't explain why black market prices have gone up (if they actually have), but I guess legal stores buying up formerly illicit pot and out of staters rushing to CO to get high are a couple of possibilities.

Surrounding states have reported an increase in marijuana busts.  I'm also scared to drive out of state with Colorado plates on my car.  Fortunately, I don't really have any reason to.


Law of supply and demand.

Legal price is higher, and people are willing to buy at higher price. Dealer says: "Hey! I can charge more for my stuff? Cool!"
 
2014-08-09 06:53:52 AM

SDRR: WhoGAS: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

omg, so much truth.  We need to get rid of "OMG, the CHILDREN!!!!!"  We are only children for a tiny fraction of our lives.  Why not teach them to be adults instead?

Crazy talk. Are you high?


Well, yes, but I stand by my point.
 
2014-08-09 06:54:48 AM
I used to drink, then I turned 21 and really haven't touched the stuff since.
 
2014-08-09 07:00:49 AM

WhoGAS: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

omg, so much truth.  We need to get rid of "OMG, the CHILDREN!!!!!"  We are only children for a tiny fraction of our lives.  Why not teach them to be adults instead?


Because then they will think critically and rationally.  Once that happens, the status quos in government, education, religion, business, and economics might all get challenged.  It could even lead to a new age of enlightenment that would alter the power structures and social norms, only this time it would be across the globe.

We can't have that now, citizen, can we?
 
2014-08-09 07:04:48 AM
Newsflash: Teens are idiots
 
2014-08-09 07:10:19 AM
Headline: Thanks for capitalizing "Marijuana." That made my first reading of it, "Never heard of Teen Marijuana... Cool enough band name, I guess... They use drops? What kind of drops? Eye drops? What kind of drops were illegal in Colorad - (grinding noise in brain as parts of speech scramble into their intended places) - Ooohh.
 
2014-08-09 07:13:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

Drugz are bad!


Some are. See krokodil. Actually don't. Really don't Google that, NSFW as fark.
 
2014-08-09 07:19:04 AM

abhorrent1: Newsflash: Teens are idiots


No they become idiots if you treat them as such, that's the whole point.  Make the drugs legal, educate them without bias/lies about drugs, and let them take responsibility for their own lives. Most will might the right choice, those who don't were probably hopeless losers to begin with it.

This is how it works in Holland as well. As a kid I was never interested in drugs eventhough it was available everywhere, you try it once or twice when you are around 16. Some kids use it more regurlarly without negative effect. I had a bunch of friends who used it more regularly, like every weekend. All of them went on to college and turned out fine and stopped smoking eventually.  Only a very small number of people abuse it to the extent that they drop out of school, but something tells they were poised to drop out for one reason or another. Drugs here in general, although easily available without fear of criminal persecution, are for tourists and losers.
 
2014-08-09 07:24:29 AM

AngryDragon: WhoGAS: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

omg, so much truth.  We need to get rid of "OMG, the CHILDREN!!!!!"  We are only children for a tiny fraction of our lives.  Why not teach them to be adults instead?

Because then they will think critically and rationally.  Once that happens, the status quos in government, education, religion, business, and economics might all get challenged.  It could even lead to a new age of enlightenment that would alter the power structures and social norms, only this time it would be across the globe.

We can't have that now, citizen, can we?


You are so right.  I will admit myself to the nearest mental correction facility at once for such insane thoughts!  it's only patriotic.
 
2014-08-09 07:25:10 AM

Flab: Law of supply and demand.

Legal price is higher, and people are willing to buy at higher price. Dealer says: "Hey! I can charge more for my stuff? Cool!"


Except now there's more supply, so price should theoretically be lower.

Are you suggesting the black market weed dealers weren't already selling it for as much as they could?

No, the black market dealer cannot sell for more just because some people will pay more at a legal store.

This is just my own theory, but I suspect formerly illegal pot is being diverted to the legal market, thus decreasing the illegal market's supply.  I'm sure a lot of illegal growers jumped at the chance to become legit and still make a profit rather than continue risking arrest.

Before retail recreational sale was legal I bought pot that I was told was from legit medical marijuana grows that had been diverted to the black market.  I never had a medical card, but I bet 90% of people who do are full of shiat and just want to get stoned.

What really pisses me off about the stores is that the medical marijuana prices are about half of what the recreational prices are.  How compassionate of them.  So if I go to one of these quacks who hands out medical marijuana cards like they were candy (after accepting a fee) I can buy pot for 50% off?

It's no wonder cases of glaucoma have skyrocketed in states with medical marijuana.
 
2014-08-09 07:26:53 AM

shower_in_my_socks: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas? It's almost as if the lesson we learned about alcohol 80 years ago can be applied to other substances.


We should apply the exact same strategy to heroin, cocaine, LSD, MDMA, Meth, benzos, opium etal. Legalize it, control it, tax it. This model should also be applied to prostitution. The black market will almost completely disappear once market forces kick in very much like the black market for alcohol or cigarettes. Drugs will be just another lucrative legitimate big corporate business.
 
2014-08-09 07:43:45 AM

Irregardless: We should apply the exact same strategy to heroin, cocaine, LSD, MDMA, Meth, benzos, opium etal. Legalize it, control it, tax it. This model should also be applied to prostitution. The black market will almost completely disappear once market forces kick in very much like the black market for alcohol or cigarettes. Drugs will be just another lucrative legitimate big corporate business.


Yep.

And the added bonus...with drugs legal, Mexico will stabilize.
 
2014-08-09 08:29:07 AM

Boo_Guy: Gee it's almost as if the illegal market for it has shrunk making it harder to get.

Besides that it's only a 4% difference,  so far.


I doubt it has much to do with all the adults doing it

Want to smoke some joints later son?



Only if he knows the password...
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2014-08-09 08:39:22 AM

Irregardless: shower_in_my_socks: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas? It's almost as if the lesson we learned about alcohol 80 years ago can be applied to other substances.

We should apply the exact same strategy to heroin, cocaine, LSD, MDMA, Meth, benzos, opium etal. Legalize it, control it, tax it. This model should also be applied to prostitution. The black market will almost completely disappear once market forces kick in very much like the black market for alcohol or cigarettes. Drugs will be just another lucrative legitimate big corporate business.


I think the thing is... good education goes a long way, but also a good amount of the taxes from MJ in Colorado go towards rehab and mental health programs. It's time we realized that jail isn't rehab, but also time that we realize that lying or misrepresenting the dangers of drugs just kills our own credibility while accomplishing nothing else.

If you want a simple demonstration of just how dumb our drug policy is...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj-n082LsI4
 
2014-08-09 09:40:48 AM

gfid: Flab: Law of supply and demand.

Legal price is higher, and people are willing to buy at higher price. Dealer says: "Hey! I can charge more for my stuff? Cool!"

Except now there's more supply, so price should theoretically be lower.

Are you suggesting the black market weed dealers weren't already selling it for as much as they could?

No, the black market dealer cannot sell for more just because some people will pay more at a legal store.

This is just my own theory, but I suspect formerly illegal pot is being diverted to the legal market, thus decreasing the illegal market's supply.  I'm sure a lot of illegal growers jumped at the chance to become legit and still make a profit rather than continue risking arrest.

Before retail recreational sale was legal I bought pot that I was told was from legit medical marijuana grows that had been diverted to the black market.  I never had a medical card, but I bet 90% of people who do are full of shiat and just want to get stoned.

What really pisses me off about the stores is that the medical marijuana prices are about half of what the recreational prices are.  How compassionate of them.  So if I go to one of these quacks who hands out medical marijuana cards like they were candy (after accepting a fee) I can buy pot for 50% off?

It's no wonder cases of glaucoma have skyrocketed in states with medical marijuana.


Here in California it's the dispensaries that are the joke. Why would anyone pay 3 times as much for your "daily" (think beer) herb? I can see dropping some extra cash on something special, but most of the folks I know who still smoke would far rather pay $100 - $150 an ounce for good outdoor weed than $350 and up at the MM store for an equivalent strain.
 
2014-08-09 09:47:47 AM

gfid: Flab: Law of supply and demand.

Legal price is higher, and people are willing to buy at higher price. Dealer says: "Hey! I can charge more for my stuff? Cool!"

Except now there's more supply, so price should theoretically be lower.

Are you suggesting the black market weed dealers weren't already selling it for as much as they could?

No, the black market dealer cannot sell for more just because some people will pay more at a legal store.

This is just my own theory, but I suspect formerly illegal pot is being diverted to the legal market, thus decreasing the illegal market's supply.  I'm sure a lot of illegal growers jumped at the chance to become legit and still make a profit rather than continue risking arrest.

Before retail recreational sale was legal I bought pot that I was told was from legit medical marijuana grows that had been diverted to the black market.  I never had a medical card, but I bet 90% of people who do are full of shiat and just want to get stoned.

What really pisses me off about the stores is that the medical marijuana prices are about half of what the recreational prices are.  How compassionate of them.  So if I go to one of these quacks who hands out medical marijuana cards like they were candy (after accepting a fee) I can buy pot for 50% off?

It's no wonder cases of glaucoma have skyrocketed in states with medical marijuana.


Someone who doesn't know about the weed game typing detected.

I live in Arkansas and the pot I buy comes from either California or Colorado, sometimes Mexico if I'm broke.  Know how I know this?  My dealer(s) drives there (not Mexico...just for the good), buys it, and brings it back.  I then pay LESS than what the same weed LEGALLY sells for in the legal for recreation or medicinal states, provided the legal prices I've read are accurate.

And yes, dealers will raise prices if people are willing to pay it, OR, if the growers can legally grow, they can still sell some to the black market for a now higher price (what happened in my case).  Back 5 years ago weed prices were (in quarter bags) $25 for Mex dirt, $35-50 for the mids, and $60-125 for the good.  These days it's $30-35 for Mex, mids are $45-60 (but real hard to find labeled as mids, usually sold as the good....), and good weed is $75 and up....all because it went legal and the legal dealers are selling pot at "Arkansas Crackhead Flipping Weed for Rocks" prices...I've seen crackheads trying to sell a bag worth no more than $70-80 for $150, and actually sell it...
 
2014-08-09 09:49:33 AM
Cigarettes and alcohol are legal and widely used by adults but kids still do both of those, I'd be curious where they got their figures from.
 
2014-08-09 09:51:06 AM

drewogatory: gfid: Flab: Law of supply and demand.

Legal price is higher, and people are willing to buy at higher price. Dealer says: "Hey! I can charge more for my stuff? Cool!"

Except now there's more supply, so price should theoretically be lower.

Are you suggesting the black market weed dealers weren't already selling it for as much as they could?

No, the black market dealer cannot sell for more just because some people will pay more at a legal store.

This is just my own theory, but I suspect formerly illegal pot is being diverted to the legal market, thus decreasing the illegal market's supply.  I'm sure a lot of illegal growers jumped at the chance to become legit and still make a profit rather than continue risking arrest.

Before retail recreational sale was legal I bought pot that I was told was from legit medical marijuana grows that had been diverted to the black market.  I never had a medical card, but I bet 90% of people who do are full of shiat and just want to get stoned.

What really pisses me off about the stores is that the medical marijuana prices are about half of what the recreational prices are.  How compassionate of them.  So if I go to one of these quacks who hands out medical marijuana cards like they were candy (after accepting a fee) I can buy pot for 50% off?

It's no wonder cases of glaucoma have skyrocketed in states with medical marijuana.

Here in California it's the dispensaries that are the joke. Why would anyone pay 3 times as much for your "daily" (think beer) herb? I can see dropping some extra cash on something special, but most of the folks I know who still smoke would far rather pay $100 - $150 an ounce for good outdoor weed than $350 and up at the MM store for an equivalent strain.


Holy shiat, $350 and up???  For an OUNCE....That's freakin' ridiculous.  It only costs me $275, maybe up to $300 if my buddy is real broke, for an OZ (for CA/CO weed) and I live in small town Arkansas...
 
2014-08-09 09:51:17 AM
So, if kids see adults doing something, it won't seem as cool to them?

I guess that makes sense. After all, if kids wanted to seem more sophisticated and mature, they'd never consider taking up something that's perceived as an adult habit. Certainly they wouldn't consider imitating it.

I'm as pro-legalization as you can get, but this particular argument just doesn't ring true for me.
 
2014-08-09 10:02:28 AM
Holy shiat, $350 and up??? For an OUNCE....That's freakin' ridiculous. It only costs me $275, maybe up to $300 if my buddy is real broke, for an OZ (for CA/CO weed) and I live in small town Arkansas...

Last time I went home I was talking to some old school hippie growers and they said what the dispensaries are willing to pay for wholesale is such a joke as well that they are more than willing to undercut them by alot and still make more money. And here in SoCal where I live now, all the dispensaries seem to be run by gangs charging ghetto prices. I had a roomate with cancer and couldn't believe what she was paying.
 
2014-08-09 10:05:35 AM

ReapTheChaos: Cigarettes and alcohol are legal and widely used by adults but kids still do both of those, I'd be curious where they got their figures from.


It's amazing how much cigarette smoking has been relegated to the dark corners of society these days.  I see people out of the corner of my eye huddled into ever-shrinking and less convenient smoking areas with their overflowing butt bins and frizzy haired women.
 
2014-08-09 10:12:39 AM

drewogatory: Holy shiat, $350 and up??? For an OUNCE....That's freakin' ridiculous. It only costs me $275, maybe up to $300 if my buddy is real broke, for an OZ (for CA/CO weed) and I live in small town Arkansas...

Last time I went home I was talking to some old school hippie growers and they said what the dispensaries are willing to pay for wholesale is such a joke as well that they are more than willing to undercut them by alot and still make more money. And here in SoCal where I live now, all the dispensaries seem to be run by gangs charging ghetto prices. I had a roomate with cancer and couldn't believe what she was paying.


That's about the situation I'm in.  Eventually what'll happen is the legal sellers will lower their prices to compete with black market weed, well, either that or the cops will have to bust all the illegal growers that supply the black market that they've been doing a stellar job at so far.

I should add that the prices I listed included it being delivered to my door.  Not many people can say they pay under $300 for an ounce of kine bud that's delivered to the house.  Then again, a pound goes for around $850-1100 (kine) and they're only paying $500-800 for it in CO/CA.

Are ghetto prices high or low where you live?  Round these parts it means low, but I've had others refer to it as high...one of those words that ya need to hear the entire sentence out loud to get the proper context.
 
2014-08-09 10:16:19 AM
Are ghetto prices high or low where you live?

High. Dime bag prices with a minimal quantity discount.
 
2014-08-09 10:31:14 AM

drewogatory: Are ghetto prices high or low where you live?

High. Dime bag prices with a minimal quantity discount.


My prices turn to that once you go below a quarter.  You're better off not getting any than buying anything between a gram and an eighth...when the eighth is $50-60 and the quarter is $75-80....well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see you're getting ripped off.

In the weed guys' defenses, selling small bags sucks and increases the risk (lots of small sales versus a few big sales), as well as most people (that I know of) that buy weed by the gram or eighth are usually weed fiends or tweakers looking to find a J or bowl of the good, and I have no problem with fiends and tweakers being ripped off (most dealers I know will front a quarter to a steady client versus ripping them off by making them pay fiend prices).

/I'm pretty good a making long ass run on sentences
//at least I use punctuation
///not a grammar nazi, but I like things to at least be legible to others
 
2014-08-09 10:35:28 AM
As if teenagers and early 20 somethings weren't lame enough, these kids make leave it to beaver look like a badass.
 
2014-08-09 10:40:05 AM

bikkurikun: This is how it works in Holland as well... Drugs here in general, although easily available without fear of criminal persecution, are for tourists and losers.


This was my experience in Amsterdam a few months ago. I was previously there about 10 years ago, and remembered it as fun place full of fun people who understood that legal marijuana was a part of their country's tourist appeal. This last visit was more like visiting the Soviet Union in the 1970's: full of scary cops, conflicting interpretations of the law and dour-faced citizens scowling at you while taking your money.

I'm in my 40's, was dressed conservatively and behaved politely at all times, and I still got treated like some douchebag frat-bro doing a keg stand in Anne Frank's living room. When I say it was my "last" visit to Amsterdam, that's exactly what I mean. There's a lot of countries that have flowers, museums and neat architecture, and they don't treat you like a masturbating criminal just for partaking in a substance that they've legalized.
 
2014-08-09 10:43:11 AM
You're better off not getting any than buying anything between a gram and an eighth

Hell, if you're an adult with a decent job there is no reason to buy anything less than a qp. That's usually where the initial big price drop happens from the old hippies.
 
2014-08-09 10:52:47 AM

gfid: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

I saw an article the other day that said the black market was still flourishing in CO.  I can believe it too, since I live here and the prices in stores are ridiculous.  Hopefully things will stabilize eventually.

So, I don't know about street sales, but the black market is doing fine.  One dealer they interviewed said that prices had been going down before legalization and since January they've gone up so he was happy.

I can't explain why black market prices have gone up (if they actually have), but I guess legal stores buying up formerly illicit pot and out of staters rushing to CO to get high are a couple of possibilities.

Surrounding states have reported an increase in marijuana busts.  I'm also scared to drive out of state with Colorado plates on my car.  Fortunately, I don't really have any reason to.


Don't worry about it. I travel with my CO plates all the time and haven't been pulled over for it.

I think we heard about KS doing this for a while but (1) who willingly drives through Kansas and (2) it's much more likely for a tourist visiting Colorado to try to take some home than for a Coloradan to take some on vacation.

Wyoming certainly figured out 2. They're pulling over WY plates coming back into state.

It's also why there were drug sniffing dogs at DIA when I flew out yesterday. It may be legal here, but don't try to take it home with you.
 
2014-08-09 10:58:14 AM

skeevy420: Someone who doesn't know about the weed game typing detected.

I live in Arkansas and the pot I buy comes from either California or Colorado, sometimes Mexico if I'm broke.  Know how I know this?  My dealer(s) drives there (not Mexico...just for the good), buys it, and brings it back.  I then pay LESS than what the same weed LEGALLY sells for in the legal for recreation or medicinal states, provided the legal prices I've read are accurate.

And yes, dealers will raise prices if people are willing to pay it, OR, if the growers can legally grow, they can still sell some to the black market for a now higher price (what happened in my case).  Back 5 years ago weed prices were (in quarter bags) $25 for Mex dirt, $35-50 for the mids, and $60-125 for the good.  These days it's $30-35 for Mex, mids are $45-60 (but real hard to find labeled as mids, usually sold as the good....), and good weed is $75 and up....all because it went legal and the legal dealers are selling pot at "Arkansas Crackhead Flipping Weed for Rocks" prices...I've seen crackheads trying to sell a bag worth no more than $70-80 for $150, and actually sell it...


Well, shiat - now some hick from Arkansas thinks he's schooled me on the economics of marijuana because I don't "know about the weed game"

Look, Sonny.  I've been buying weed since before your pa stuck it in your ma.  I could give a flying fark what weed sells for in Arkansas.  I don't live there.  FWIW, weed was $20 a quarter (for Mexi-weed) when I first started smoking.  Okay, sometimes it was $25, but that price was pretty steady for years.

Okay, so now I can go to a store and buy a quarter of really mind blowing shiat for $110 (taxes included) just because that was the closest store to me or I could call a friend and get a half of equally mind blowing shiat for $150.

I think I know how this works.  Legit businesses are paying taxes, paying rent for a storefront and grappling with how to deal with all the cash that banks don't want to touch.  They're also catering to people who don't know anyone who can score weed for them so they can charge a premium.  Really, weed isn't that expensive even in retail stores.   I spend way more money on beer.

The black market is well established.  People have networks that are trusted, but some growers and dealers would rather go legit while others would rather continue being off the radar and not paying taxes.  The ones who went legit are no longer contributing to the black market supply, hence the increase in black market prices.

I just think it's funny that while once medical marijuana was diverted to the black market now black market marijuana is being diverted to "legal" recreational sales where it commands a higher price.

Farkansas - if you're such a natural why haven't you legalized weed there yet?
 
2014-08-09 11:43:45 AM

WhoGAS: AngryDragon: WhoGAS: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

omg, so much truth.  We need to get rid of "OMG, the CHILDREN!!!!!"  We are only children for a tiny fraction of our lives.  Why not teach them to be adults instead?

Because then they will think critically and rationally.  Once that happens, the status quos in government, education, religion, business, and economics might all get challenged.  It could even lead to a new age of enlightenment that would alter the power structures and social norms, only this time it would be across the globe.

We can't have that now, citizen, can we?

You are so right.  I will admit myself to the nearest mental correction Re-Education Facility at once for such insane thoughts!  it's only patriotic.


/FTFY
 
2014-08-09 11:52:04 AM
To get to the article...The Pants-Wetters TOLD us that it was a Certainty that kids would be smoking more cannabis if we were so Stupid/Foolish/Shortsighted to legalize it.  Now, I will concede and the article states clearly that a 2% drop is within the error margin of the survey, so the best case is that it's down about 4% and the worst is it's held steady at a percentage lower than those who drink.

Wow, this sure blows a whole hole in the pants-wetters Prohibitionist narrative...again.  Whoops.  Guess that whole "for the Children" thing might have to be re-thought at some point.

Man, this legalization stuff is FUN, it's like going into a slumlords apartments and shining really bright light in the corners...all the cockroaches scatter for the exits.  As Arthur Weasley put it so well "Truth will OUT!"
 
2014-08-09 11:57:09 AM

Pichu0102: Gyrfalcon: violentsalvation: So, reducing the illegal street sales by legalizing the product for use by adults, and verifying the age of people buying works? If we continue to let adults make grown up decisions, then how will we be able to use children as pawns in our scaremongering agendas?

Drugz are bad!

Some are. See krokodil. Actually don't. Really don't Google that, NSFW as fark.


I am sure that you can appreciate that the demand for Krok comes from the fact they can't get heroin, or safe drugs, right?  There are addictions that are really bad, but mainly because the drugs themselves are so badly made/tainted/evil.  Pure Bayer Heroin is about as safe, when correctly dosed, as anything.  Yea, it's addictive, but some people WILL be addicts no matter what we do.  We can either make it safer for them or not.  Depends on if you believe addiction to be a moral issue or a medical one.
 
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