Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Atlantic)   Not news: CIA kidnapped people. News: As a favor to Libya's Qaddafi. Fark: Including children as young as 8   (theatlantic.com) divider line 61
    More: Sick, CIA, Saadi, torture, kidnappings, war on terrorism, Hong Kong  
•       •       •

1958 clicks; posted to Politics » on 08 Aug 2014 at 11:36 PM (33 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



61 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2014-08-08 08:08:29 PM  
The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

For this and so many other reasons that entire administration should be rotting in jail.
 
2014-08-08 09:24:49 PM  
The U.K. took the lead in al-Saadi's case, but CIA agents were complicit in her treatment. If you'd helped kidnap a 12-year-old girl and delivered her to the henchmen of a Libyan dictator, what would you do to prevent your shameful, embarrass deed from being made public? If given a black pen and the opportunity to ink over the official record, would you?

I wouldn't but somehow I don't think any amount of public outrage is going to get the CIA to stop white washing their unjustifiable acts.

It's what they do. What they've always done.

They've been reigned in under Obama but not nearly enough.
 
2014-08-08 11:45:05 PM  
The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.  The U.K. took the lead in al-Saadi's case, but CIA agents were complicit in her treatment. If you'd helped kidnap a 12-year-old girl and delivered her to the henchmen of a Libyan dictator, what would you do to prevent your shameful, embarrass deed from being made public? If given a black pen and the opportunity to ink over the official record, would you?

I'm not defending rendition, nor denying that the CIA is responsible for quite a lot of it, but this is a classic case of misdirection.  He mentions Bush, the headline includes the CIA, but this particular case was arranged by MI6. Note the entire article, absent that one line, actually mentions that.

Why? Because the author couldn't find children in the other stories.
 
2014-08-08 11:50:17 PM  
It was a comedy but the ending of Dark Lions has always haunted me. I won't go into any spoiler details but it's amazing how things can be bent. With no trouble at all. Matter of factly, just for convenience.
 
2014-08-08 11:52:22 PM  
This explains why the gophadist apologists were so incensed about Libya. Afraid if they stopped shouting Benghazi and defending Qaddafi as a "great ally" we would figure out what was really going on. Having the CIA kidnap the children.

Congrats! You're international terrorists!
 
2014-08-09 12:07:28 AM  
You know a lot of people in government and, in particular, the intelligence services are horrible people, and you really think they can't shock you anymore. And then they kidnap children in order to transport them to a brutal dictatorship.
 
2014-08-09 12:12:47 AM  

fusillade762: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

For this and so many other reasons that entire administration should be rotting in jail.


Then again, Bush normalized relations with Libya, knowing full well that Qaddafi was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

Bush just really liked Libya.
 
2014-08-09 12:20:33 AM  
I'm a little tired of hearing "rendition" when the truth is "kidnapping," and "redacted" in place of "lying about."  There should be a special hell for subhumans like Bush and Blair.
 
2014-08-09 12:29:08 AM  
It's pretty obvious that the formation of the CIA and the NSA is where we can point to where this country really went down the shiathole.

And yeah they're committed to keeping the culturally and politically stagnant 20th century paradigm in place, no matter how many people's lives they have to ruin.
 
2014-08-09 12:32:15 AM  
I think the US would be a better place if the lid opened up on all of these CIA/NSA abuses, followed by convictions, followed by transparency laws to ensure that this never happens again.

/no citizen should be afraid that their government thinks its okay to do evil if it's politically convenient.
 
ecl
2014-08-09 12:33:27 AM  
Wtf.
 
2014-08-09 12:37:59 AM  
www.pulitzer.org
We like kids. They are easier to terrorize.
 
ecl
2014-08-09 12:41:09 AM  

Lsherm: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.  The U.K. took the lead in al-Saadi's case, but CIA agents were complicit in her treatment. If you'd helped kidnap a 12-year-old girl and delivered her to the henchmen of a Libyan dictator, what would you do to prevent your shameful, embarrass deed from being made public? If given a black pen and the opportunity to ink over the official record, would you?

I'm not defending rendition, nor denying that the CIA is responsible for quite a lot of it, but this is a classic case of misdirection.  He mentions Bush, the headline includes the CIA, but this particular case was arranged by MI6. Note the entire article, absent that one line, actually mentions that.

Why? Because the author couldn't find children in the other stories.



The right wing blogosphere pitches in...
 
2014-08-09 12:44:32 AM  

ecl: Lsherm: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.  The U.K. took the lead in al-Saadi's case, but CIA agents were complicit in her treatment. If you'd helped kidnap a 12-year-old girl and delivered her to the henchmen of a Libyan dictator, what would you do to prevent your shameful, embarrass deed from being made public? If given a black pen and the opportunity to ink over the official record, would you?

I'm not defending rendition, nor denying that the CIA is responsible for quite a lot of it, but this is a classic case of misdirection.  He mentions Bush, the headline includes the CIA, but this particular case was arranged by MI6. Note the entire article, absent that one line, actually mentions that.

Why? Because the author couldn't find children in the other stories.


The right wing blogosphere pitches in...


Lazy, puleeeeze.

If I was going to go nuts, I would have defended rendition.  I was pointing out the "article" was nothing of the sort.
 
ecl
2014-08-09 12:54:10 AM  

Lsherm: ecl: Lsherm: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.  The U.K. took the lead in al-Saadi's case, but CIA agents were complicit in her treatment. If you'd helped kidnap a 12-year-old girl and delivered her to the henchmen of a Libyan dictator, what would you do to prevent your shameful, embarrass deed from being made public? If given a black pen and the opportunity to ink over the official record, would you?

I'm not defending rendition, nor denying that the CIA is responsible for quite a lot of it, but this is a classic case of misdirection.  He mentions Bush, the headline includes the CIA, but this particular case was arranged by MI6. Note the entire article, absent that one line, actually mentions that.

Why? Because the author couldn't find children in the other stories.


The right wing blogosphere pitches in...

Lazy, puleeeeze.

If I was going to go nuts, I would have defended rendition.  I was pointing out the "article" was nothing of the sort.


Q: The Moussa Koussa documents (found by Human Rights Watch after the fall of Qaddafi's regime 
were proof for you, right?
A: Before that there were only clues here and there, but that was the solid evidence that proved they 
were behind it. It was a letter from the CIA to Moussa Koussa saying that we had handed over Sami 
Saadi with the help of MI6. And for the record the Americans came twice to Libya to interrogate me in 
Libya.

http://detaineetaskforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Sami-Al-Saad i- former-Libyan-dissident-against-el-Qaddafi-subject-of-extraordinary-re ndition.pdf


Accept the truth or keep spouting your blogospheric talking points.
 
2014-08-09 01:03:51 AM  
So was 8 like a hard cut-off? Does nobody make a bag small enough for toddler heads?
 
2014-08-09 01:05:07 AM  
Let's review:

We tortured "some folks"
We handed over innocent children
We grabbed everybody's data
We lied to invade a country

I think I'm detecting a pattern here, folks
 
m00
2014-08-09 01:40:16 AM  
Well good thing Obama is in the White House. We'll see Dick Cheney charged with crimes for sure, and the CIA held accountable for its actions.
 
2014-08-09 01:48:00 AM  

Stoj: So was 8 like a hard cut-off? Does nobody make a bag small enough for toddler heads?


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-08-09 01:52:55 AM  

ReverendJynxed: Stoj: So was 8 like a hard cut-off? Does nobody make a bag small enough for toddler heads?

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 277x355]


It's not like toddlers make good witnesses to call.  Let them see everything, doesn't matter.
 
2014-08-09 01:59:03 AM  

tinyarena: Let's review:

We tortured "some folks"
We handed over innocent children
We grabbed everybody's data
We lied to invade a country

I think I'm detecting a pattern here, folks


Maybe we're not the good guys.
 
2014-08-09 02:14:57 AM  
Libyan dissident tortured by Gaddafi to sue Britain over rendition

Documents found by rebels in Libya are immediately uploaded to the web now and authenticated by living witnesses
Our suspicions are being confirmed in moments instead of years or decades or never
The funny thing about the panopticon is it reflects everything
 
ecl
2014-08-09 02:17:40 AM  

tinyarena: Let's review:

We tortured "some folks"
We handed over innocent children
We grabbed everybody's data
We lied to invade a country

I think I'm detecting a pattern here, folks

 
m00
2014-08-09 02:18:26 AM  
Belhaj says the CIA tortured him for several days before he was flown to Tripoli. "I wasn't allowed a bath for three years and I didn't see the sun for one year,"

Well maybe he shouldn't be a terrorist.
 
m00
2014-08-09 02:24:36 AM  
Actually, I'm waiting for the news that the CIA kidnapped Americans on American soil, and flew them off to Egypt or Turkey to be tortured for 3 years. Then the CIA will defend itself by claiming "but, he was a terrorist and the worst of the worst! Torture saves lives!" and conveniently lose all the documents and emails. Obama will go on the news and call it "a deeply regrettable incident that definitely warrants investigation. Then, someone will leak documents proving it was a case of mistaken identity that the CIA figured out within the first 3 months, but they continued torturing him to save face. Obama will call the leaker (who has now fled to Russia) a traitor and demand that he turn himself into the CIA. Republicans will step and flood the media airwaves with deep and harsh criticism of Obama for his actions in Bengahzi, and the status of his birth certificate. Because after all, illegal CIA torture is merely a distraction from the real issues like whether Obama is from Kenya.
 
2014-08-09 02:31:12 AM  

ReverendJynxed: [www.pulitzer.org image 850x546]
We like kids. They are easier to terrorize.


That's my first time seeing that picture as an adult (well, someone who knows more about the world than just the warp whistle locations in Mario 3). Jesus, that must've been some traumatizing shiat for Elian.
 
2014-08-09 02:42:07 AM  

whidbey: It's pretty obvious that the formation of the CIA and the NSA is where we can point to where this country really went down the shiathole.

And yeah they're committed to keeping the culturally and politically stagnant 20th century paradigm in place, no matter how many people's lives they have to ruin.


I would have gone with Reconstruction, or maybe the Andrew Jackson presidency.
 
2014-08-09 02:43:05 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: fusillade762: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

For this and so many other reasons that entire administration should be rotting in jail.

Then again, Bush normalized relations with Libya, knowing full well that Qaddafi was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

Bush just really liked Libya.


FDR joined up with the Soviets. Nixon did it with China. Carter did it with China and the Soviets. Reagan did it with Central America. Clinton did it with Arafat.

Sometimes the allies you can find for something aren't good people. But you need them at the time. Not approving it or disapproving it. Not my decision to make. I'm sure each of these Presidents (and likely all the others) made very tough decisions
 
2014-08-09 03:16:28 AM  

fusillade762: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

For this and so many other reasons that entire administration should be rotting in jail.


Wait, I'm sorry, isn't the current narrative that helping the Libyan rebels overthrow Qaddafi was a really bad idea and the Islamists are really much much worse than Qaddafi ever was?
 
2014-08-09 03:18:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

For this and so many other reasons that entire administration should be rotting in jail.

Wait, I'm sorry, isn't the current narrative that helping the Libyan rebels overthrow Qaddafi was a really bad idea and the Islamists are really much much worse than Qaddafi ever was?


Best not to listen to such narratives.
 
2014-08-09 03:29:12 AM  
Why am I not one bit surprised that this was all Dick Cheney's idea, the sick, SICK monster?
 
2014-08-09 03:31:29 AM  
Combine this tale with the fact that Qaddafi had a thing for having little girls "inspected" and brought to his bedchambers for one-night stands, and you get an inkling as the staggering amount of evil that is the American gop.
 
2014-08-09 03:33:50 AM  
We do this kind of shiat all the time. Every single president since Washington has skeletons. But, our jets don't fuel themselves. We've proved that we'll get into bed with anyone for the sake of convenience.
 
2014-08-09 03:39:07 AM  
Blair/Cheney/Rumsfeld etc: officially as bad as Gadaffy.
 
2014-08-09 03:42:37 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Combine this tale with the fact that Qaddafi had a thing for having little girls "inspected" and brought to his bedchambers for one-night stands, and you get an inkling as the staggering amount of evil that is the American gop.


The GOP is the problem? Then; Obama shouldn't have any problem arresting Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. You shouldn't hold your breath waiting for that.

The problem is; every president has dirt like this on them out there. If you think Obama is perfectly clean; then, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Prosecuting one former president establishes a precident for prosecuting all former presidents / elected officials for misdeeds while they were in office. There are about 513 very influential people who really wouldn't like that. Not one little bit .
 
2014-08-09 03:43:02 AM  

fusillade762: The Bush administration transferred at least seven detainees into Qaddafi's control, knowing full well that he was a murderer, a tyrant, and a sponsor of terrorism.

For this and so many other reasons that entire administration should be rotting in jaildirt.

Fixed that for you.

 
2014-08-09 03:47:30 AM  

iheartscotch: TV's Vinnie: Combine this tale with the fact that Qaddafi had a thing for having little girls "inspected" and brought to his bedchambers for one-night stands, and you get an inkling as the staggering amount of evil that is the American gop.

The GOP is the problem? Then; Obama shouldn't have any problem arresting Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. You shouldn't hold your breath waiting for that.

The problem is; every president has dirt like this on them out there. If you think Obama is perfectly clean; then, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Prosecuting one former president establishes a precident for prosecuting all former presidents / elected officials for misdeeds while they were in office. There are about 513 very influential people who really wouldn't like that. Not one little bit .


And yet it needs to be done, if we're to pretend that American Justice isn't just a sick joke.
 
2014-08-09 03:58:44 AM  

Alphax: iheartscotch: TV's Vinnie: Combine this tale with the fact that Qaddafi had a thing for having little girls "inspected" and brought to his bedchambers for one-night stands, and you get an inkling as the staggering amount of evil that is the American gop.

The GOP is the problem? Then; Obama shouldn't have any problem arresting Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. You shouldn't hold your breath waiting for that.

The problem is; every president has dirt like this on them out there. If you think Obama is perfectly clean; then, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Prosecuting one former president establishes a precident for prosecuting all former presidents / elected officials for misdeeds while they were in office. There are about 513 very influential people who really wouldn't like that. Not one little bit .

And yet it needs to be done, if we're to pretend that American Justice isn't just a sick joke.


Justice? Justice is like Santa Claus. It's only real if everyone believes in it.

Besides, who's definition of justice are we talking about?

/ You know what the difference between Justice and Santa Claus is? One's a mythical thing and the other delivers presents to everyone on Christmas.
 
2014-08-09 04:03:58 AM  

iheartscotch: Alphax: iheartscotch: TV's Vinnie: Combine this tale with the fact that Qaddafi had a thing for having little girls "inspected" and brought to his bedchambers for one-night stands, and you get an inkling as the staggering amount of evil that is the American gop.

The GOP is the problem? Then; Obama shouldn't have any problem arresting Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. You shouldn't hold your breath waiting for that.

The problem is; every president has dirt like this on them out there. If you think Obama is perfectly clean; then, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Prosecuting one former president establishes a precident for prosecuting all former presidents / elected officials for misdeeds while they were in office. There are about 513 very influential people who really wouldn't like that. Not one little bit .

And yet it needs to be done, if we're to pretend that American Justice isn't just a sick joke.

Justice? Justice is like Santa Claus. It's only real if everyone believes in it.

Besides, who's definition of justice are we talking about?

/ You know what the difference between Justice and Santa Claus is? One's a mythical thing and the other delivers presents to everyone on Christmas.


That's hella cynical.
 
2014-08-09 04:10:01 AM  

m00: Belhaj says the CIA tortured him for several days before he was flown to Tripoli. "I wasn't allowed a bath for three years and I didn't see the sun for one year,"

Well maybe he shouldn't be a terrorist.


Torture is barbaric, no matter who it's done to. Yes, terrorism is also barbaric, but guess what? We claim to be BETTER than that.
 
2014-08-09 04:36:33 AM  

ArkAngel: FDR joined up with the Soviets. Nixon did it with China. Carter did it with China and the Soviets. Reagan did it with Central America. Clinton did it with Arafat.Sometimes the allies you can find for something aren't good people. But you need them at the time. Not approving it or disapproving it. Not my decision to make. I'm sure each of these Presidents (and likely all the others) made very tough decisions


That doesn't excuse helping to bring a family back into the clutches of a 100% evil person like Qaddafi. Their only crime was speaking out against his regime. I don't care what the justification was and I don't care what we got for it. It was wrong. I am a conservative and I happen to have liked Bush overall but these kinds of things just cant happen. Find another way to get things done.
 
2014-08-09 04:37:21 AM  

LordJiro: m00: Belhaj says the CIA tortured him for several days before he was flown to Tripoli. "I wasn't allowed a bath for three years and I didn't see the sun for one year,"

Well maybe he shouldn't be a terrorist.

Torture is barbaric, no matter who it's done to. Yes, terrorism is also barbaric, but guess what? We claim to be BETTER than that.


We don't torture people. We interrogate them. Coercively. Because we are good people, and good people don't torture.

See how that works?
 
2014-08-09 04:45:57 AM  

Cyber_Junk: I think the US would be a better place if the lid opened up on all of these CIA/NSA abuses, followed by convictions, followed by transparency laws to ensure that this never happens again.


Followed by the repeal of the laws creating the CIA and NSA (and DHS and TSA). They have no use other than to assist in propping up the empire.
 
2014-08-09 05:22:54 AM  

ArkAngel: FDR joined up with the Soviets. Nixon did it with China. Carter did it with China and the Soviets. Reagan did it with Central America. Clinton did it with Arafat.

Sometimes the allies you can find for something aren't good people. But you need them at the time. Not approving it or disapproving it. Not my decision to make. I'm sure each of these Presidents (and likely all the others) made very tough decisions


Um. These are all very, very different situations and have nothing to do with normalizing relations with a terrorist state after having long since cut off all diplomatic ties.

In Libya's case, they had attacked our embassy and been declared a state sponsor of terrorism. We had closed off all diplomatic relations with them. Bush normalized those relations and re-opened the embassy, and rescinded their status as a terrorist state after a couple of petty milestones were reached.
 
2014-08-09 05:28:44 AM  

ReverendJynxed: Stoj: So was 8 like a hard cut-off? Does nobody make a bag small enough for toddler heads?

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 277x355]


If you see any silver coins with weird markings on them, DO NOT TOUCH!!!
 
2014-08-09 06:21:07 AM  

walkingtall: ArkAngel: FDR joined up with the Soviets. Nixon did it with China. Carter did it with China and the Soviets. Reagan did it with Central America. Clinton did it with Arafat.Sometimes the allies you can find for something aren't good people. But you need them at the time. Not approving it or disapproving it. Not my decision to make. I'm sure each of these Presidents (and likely all the others) made very tough decisions

That doesn't excuse helping to bring a family back into the clutches of a 100% evil person like Qaddafi. Their only crime was speaking out against his regime. I don't care what the justification was and I don't care what we got for it. It was wrong. I am a conservative and I happen to have liked Bush overall but these kinds of things just cant happen. Find another way to get things done.


Congratulations, you're a Democrat.
 
2014-08-09 07:42:20 AM  
Keep America Safe!
Support the Troops!
Remember the Heroes!
Freedom Isn't Free!
 
2014-08-09 08:28:39 AM  
They kidnapped her and she's still alive to talk about it?  This is tame stuff for our CIA.  If you're just now noticing that the CIA is in some ways an evil shadow organization, you should have been paying attention 30 or 40 years ago.
 
2014-08-09 09:19:59 AM  

walkingtall: ArkAngel: FDR joined up with the Soviets. Nixon did it with China. Carter did it with China and the Soviets. Reagan did it with Central America. Clinton did it with Arafat.Sometimes the allies you can find for something aren't good people. But you need them at the time. Not approving it or disapproving it. Not my decision to make. I'm sure each of these Presidents (and likely all the others) made very tough decisions

That doesn't excuse helping to bring a family back into the clutches of a 100% evil person like Qaddafi. Their only crime was speaking out against his regime. I don't care what the justification was and I don't care what we got for it. It was wrong. I am a conservative and I happen to have liked Bush overall but these kinds of things just cant happen. Find another way to get things done.


It's weird, how politics does that... if it was anyone else delivering innocent children to a muderous dictator, you could say hey... that's a bad person... but with politicians, we're willing to overlook a few dozen dead children, so long as they did some other good stuff.

/used to think "what about all the good Hitler did" was a joke.
 
2014-08-09 10:20:12 AM  
The CIA should be razed to the ground, its rubble torched, and underlying earth salted. The organization is truly a useless stain on the US.
 
Displayed 50 of 61 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report