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2014-08-08 01:16:45 PM  
"What's for afters?"
"Gluten cake, gluten sorbet, gluten pudding, or gluten-free tart."
"Gluten-free tart?"
"Well, it's got *some* gluten in it."
"How much?"
"Rather a lot, really."
"Well, I'll have a slice without so much gluten in it."
 
2014-08-08 02:32:13 PM  
We don't have a clue what it is either but our tarts are now with extra gluten--free!
 
2014-08-08 02:57:36 PM  
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2014-08-08 04:09:33 PM  
Tried a loaf of gluten-free bread last week. O lord, it was horrible. It had the consistency of sand. It makes Wonder bread taste like a french baguette.
 
2014-08-08 04:24:43 PM  
I don't understand these products:
glutenfreepdx.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-08 04:26:52 PM  
Why does every vegan, or person on a gluten free diet have to CONSTANTLY announce it and remind people they are a vegan or on a gluten free diet?
 
2014-08-08 04:26:52 PM  
I bought gluten-free Kool Aid the other day.   Such disappointment.

/seriously, gluten-free Kool Aid
//WTF
 
2014-08-08 04:26:52 PM  

gopher321: Tried a loaf of gluten-free bread last week. O lord, it was horrible. It had the consistency of sand. It makes Wonder bread taste like a french baguette.


YEP. Which is why my mom (Developed Celiac at 48-ish) is somewhat confused by people going 'gluten free' who don't *need* to.

This will also be a big boon to hr 'cause there have been issues with restaurants going "Oh yeah X food is gluten free but we kind of cook it in the same stuff that we cook gluten-containing products in!" Which... means it' *ISN'T* gluten free, and so her immune system goes "INVAAAADEEEERRRSSS" and then begins berserking at her intestinal lining.
 
2014-08-08 04:27:30 PM  
img.fark.net

/yes, that's a real product, not a photoshop.
 
2014-08-08 04:28:03 PM  
I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease
 
2014-08-08 04:29:28 PM  
Hey, gluten may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the yeasty motherfacker. Dough rises and gets punched down in gluten. That's a filthy protein composite. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to not give dough elasticity and chewy texture.

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2014-08-08 04:30:38 PM  
just another god damn fad

eat more veggies and fruits, less meat and carbs, and get off your ass and exercise in some fashion every day, watch the booze

BAM new fad diet called COMMON SENSE
 
2014-08-08 04:31:17 PM  
The international standard for "gluten free" is 20ppm of gluten. It's good to see the US tighten up and it would be nice to see them follow through with some of the regulations that Europe has adopted such as putting any allergens in bold in the ingredients.

Of course none of this makes any difference to idiots on paleo diets or similar but it means a lot to coeliacs who expect gluten free to mean gluten free.
 
2014-08-08 04:31:20 PM  

calbert: [img.fark.net image 600x800]

/yes, that's a real product, not a photoshop.


Well, now people with celiac disease can safely drink out of the toilet.
 
2014-08-08 04:32:47 PM  

styckx: Why does every vegan, or person on a gluten free diet have to CONSTANTLY announce it and remind people they are a vegan or on a gluten free diet?


Probably because they want to be special snowflakes.

Though I know there are some out there that have to make sure that thereiisn't (mobile being dumb, can't seem to correct that extra I... Keeps adding on its own) any gluten in it because of them being allergic to it. Have a friend who lives in California and I just now found out his diet has to be gluten free and I've known him for over two years now.
 
2014-08-08 04:33:10 PM  

iheartscotch: I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease


I've been told that "gluten intolerance" is most certainly a thing, but I'm not sure whether that's more like lactose intolerance or racism.
 
2014-08-08 04:34:06 PM  

TheNewJesus: less meat and carbs


Enjoy your oils and fiber.

/Meat: it's less carbs for dinner
 
2014-08-08 04:34:33 PM  

Felgraf: gopher321: Tried a loaf of gluten-free bread last week. O lord, it was horrible. It had the consistency of sand. It makes Wonder bread taste like a french baguette.

YEP. Which is why my mom (Developed Celiac at 48-ish) is somewhat confused by people going 'gluten free' who don't *need* to.

This will also be a big boon to hr 'cause there have been issues with restaurants going "Oh yeah X food is gluten free but we kind of cook it in the same stuff that we cook gluten-containing products in!" Which... means it' *ISN'T* gluten free, and so her immune system goes "INVAAAADEEEERRRSSS" and then begins berserking at her intestinal lining.


My parents ate once a week at a certain restaurant, where my heart-patient father would order the Egg Beaters - which the restaurant cooked each time in BUTTER.

My father loved his once-a-week treat.
 
2014-08-08 04:35:14 PM  

fiddlehead: calbert: [img.fark.net image 600x800]

/yes, that's a real product, not a photoshop.

Well, now people with celiac disease can safely drink out of the toilet.


Well, gluten is actually used as a filler in a *ton* of shiat, and even inhaling stuff with gluten in it can make Celiac flare up. Can't even bake with normal flour, even if your'e not gonna eat it, if you've got it, at least in my mom's case.
 
2014-08-08 04:36:48 PM  

fiddlehead: calbert: [img.fark.net image 600x800]

/yes, that's a real product, not a photoshop.

Well, now people with celiac disease can safely drink out of the toilet.


Good to know, I'm a gluten for punishment.
 
2014-08-08 04:36:48 PM  
As an inhibitant of a less sophisticated part of this world, what he hell are gluten? Is it something like omega3?
 
2014-08-08 04:39:20 PM  
Hey subby, I'm not even going to read TFA (I know, shocking, right?), but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the FDA is actually setting regulatory limits for gluten content in gluten-free products.

Which is not so much of a, "Well, duh" thing.
 
2014-08-08 04:39:37 PM  

B.J. Cummings: iheartscotch: I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease

I've been told that "gluten intolerance" is most certainly a thing, but I'm not sure whether that's more like lactose intolerance or racism.


It is most certainly a thing; but, it's just not that common. Something like 1:133 have celiac. You have a better chance of getting hit by a train.
 
2014-08-08 04:43:44 PM  

blatz514: I bought gluten-free Kool Aid the other day.   Such disappointment.

/seriously, gluten-free Kool Aid
//WTF


All sorts of stuff that never had gluten has that badge on it now.
 
2014-08-08 04:43:56 PM  
Yes subby.

Often, the government has to step in to ensure consumers are getting what they are paying for.

We have a history of people selling things under one name and not having it be the actual product after all.

Which means yes, Wal-Mart's ice cream sandwiches do in fact have to meet the legal definition of ice cream, while Breyer's Girl Scout offerings are Frozen Dairy Dessert.

//Would you like to know more?
 
Ant
2014-08-08 04:51:30 PM  
Can we also require that people who claim to be allergic to gluten actually be allergic to gluten?
 
2014-08-08 04:52:05 PM  
If it's light, fluffy, oh so beautifully doughy, yeah it's not gluten free.
 
2014-08-08 04:55:29 PM  

iheartscotch: I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease


You don't have to have celiac to have some issues with gluten. Just like lactose intolerant people can live a fairly normal, albiet gassy, life if they eat ice cream.
 
2014-08-08 04:57:05 PM  

iheartscotch: B.J. Cummings: iheartscotch: I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease

I've been told that "gluten intolerance" is most certainly a thing, but I'm not sure whether that's more like lactose intolerance or racism.

It is most certainly a thing; but, it's just not that common. Something like 1:133 have celiac. You have a better chance of getting hit by a train.


Prime example of gluten-free as a fad rather than a legitimate health concern: Dominos Pizza. They sell a "gluten-free" crust, but they don't have separate ovens, preparation surfaces, etc. So the stuff is absolutely useless for people with celiac disorder. To their credit, they make it clear at every turn that there may be traces of gluten present, so a celiac would have to be pretty oblivious to order it by mistake - but it does mean that there's no point even ordering the stuff unless you're just following the fads.

Well, I suppose there might be one other scenario: a mixed household. If some people in the house have celiac disease, they may be affected if their housemates even have a regular pizza in the house (on the plates and pizza cutters, in the fridge, etc.), so if the non-celiac housemates order a pseudo-gluten-free pizza, the traces of gluten on it will be too sparse to leave traces around the house. But mostly, I suspect it's for fad-chasers.
 
2014-08-08 04:59:46 PM  

meat0918: Yes subby.

Often, the government has to step in to ensure consumers are getting what they are paying for.

We have a history of people selling things under one name and not having it be the actual product after all.

Which means yes, Wal-Mart's ice cream sandwiches do in fact have to meet the legal definition of ice cream, while Breyer's Girl Scout offerings are Frozen Dairy Dessert.

//Would you like to know more?


couple weeks ago my wife was watching "starship troopers 2 & 3" on netflix. movies so bad they're almost good, and gratuitous, yet non-sexual, nudity helps...but the "would you like to know more" parts are always, for some odd reason, very surreally amusing to me
 
2014-08-08 05:00:26 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't understand these products:


Especially when beers like Two Brothers Prairie Path exist. Why drink gluten free beer when you can drink beer that meets the standards for gluten free (labs have come back with less than 5 ppm when analyzing it) but is actually beer? They can't label it gluten free because it's actually regular beer from barley malt, hops, yeast and water, but has the gluten removed.

Funny thing is that they didn't intend to make a gluten-free beer, they were trying to solve a cosmetic issue (chill haze) and the enzyme they use to fix that also "eats" the gluten.
 
2014-08-08 05:04:21 PM  

JohnHall: iheartscotch: I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease

You don't have to have celiac to have some issues with gluten. Just like lactose intolerant people can live a fairly normal, albiet gassy, life if they eat ice cream.


Granted. But, issues with gluten aside, most of theses anti-gluteneers are food faddies or hypochondriacs. And, there are levels of gluten intolerance.
 
2014-08-08 05:18:44 PM  
But it's still perfectly OK for "fresh" fish to actually be 'frozen'.  Nothing like American agro-industry for re-defining the meaning of words and getting the U.S. government to green-light it.
 
2014-08-08 05:23:23 PM  

Mithiwithi: iheartscotch: B.J. Cummings: iheartscotch: I get my bread with extra gluten. Because gluten is tasty.

/ also, gluten haters, you probably do not have celiac disease

I've been told that "gluten intolerance" is most certainly a thing, but I'm not sure whether that's more like lactose intolerance or racism.

It is most certainly a thing; but, it's just not that common. Something like 1:133 have celiac. You have a better chance of getting hit by a train.

Prime example of gluten-free as a fad rather than a legitimate health concern: Dominos Pizza. They sell a "gluten-free" crust, but they don't have separate ovens, preparation surfaces, etc. So the stuff is absolutely useless for people with celiac disorder. To their credit, they make it clear at every turn that there may be traces of gluten present, so a celiac would have to be pretty oblivious to order it by mistake - but it does mean that there's no point even ordering the stuff unless you're just following the fads.

Well, I suppose there might be one other scenario: a mixed household. If some people in the house have celiac disease, they may be affected if their housemates even have a regular pizza in the house (on the plates and pizza cutters, in the fridge, etc.), so if the non-celiac housemates order a pseudo-gluten-free pizza, the traces of gluten on it will be too sparse to leave traces around the house. But mostly, I suspect it's for fad-chasers.


This. When my sister was diagnosed with really severe celiac, my mom decided to take the whole household gluten-free rather than risk cross-contamination. The college she goes to now has a separate food prep area just for gluten-free meals.
 
2014-08-08 05:42:33 PM  
It's so nice to know that the ham steak and lunchmeat I bought is gluten-free, though.
 
2014-08-08 06:11:23 PM  
Celiac here and I'm very thankful for this new rule. Most gluten-free products aren't *totally* gluten-free and it's conceivable that if you eat a substantial quantity of them, you can still make yourself sick. A few ppm here and there actually can add up.

But then again, who *really* wants to eat a whole loaf of gluten-free bread?
 
2014-08-08 06:13:43 PM  

JonBuck: It's so nice to know that the ham steak and lunchmeat I bought is gluten-free, though.


You'd be amazed how many things *aren't* gluten-free.

Honey roasted peanuts on Southwest Airlines, for example, have wheat starch as one of the ingredients.

Some pumpkin seeds someone gave me listed unbromated wheat flour in their ingredients list.

I've found rotisserie chicken in the supermarket that was also treated with wheat starch for some bizarre reason.

When you have celiac disease, you can't take it for granted that meat is just meat. Ever.
 
2014-08-08 06:14:09 PM  

calbert: [img.fark.net image 600x800]

/yes, that's a real product, not a photoshop.


For you gluten intolerant dog.
 
2014-08-08 06:15:03 PM  
Most of the people who say they have a gluten allergy would not even notice anyway.
 
2014-08-08 06:16:33 PM  

styckx: Why does every vegan, or person on a gluten free diet have to CONSTANTLY announce it and remind people they are a vegan or on a gluten free diet?


Because it's cool and trendy. The same thing happened in the 90s with lactose. EVERYONE was "lactose intolerant" but now hearing someone say that is extremely rare.
 
2014-08-08 06:23:24 PM  
This actually is quite interesting, because products before *could* have gluten in them and be marked as gluten free - so... what happened to all those "Gluten Free" people who would die if they ate a gluten filled item? I never heard of anyone suing or getting sick from a gluten free item.

Almost starting to think the whole gluten thing is just attention whoring and not a medical issue at all.
 
2014-08-08 06:31:57 PM  

sharphead: This actually is quite interesting, because products before *could* have gluten in them and be marked as gluten free - so... what happened to all those "Gluten Free" people who would die if they ate a gluten filled item? I never heard of anyone suing or getting sick from a gluten free item.

Almost starting to think the whole gluten thing is just attention whoring and not a medical issue at all.


You're correct. Which must make people with actual celiac disease furious.
 
2014-08-08 06:32:26 PM  

batlock666: As an inhibitant of a less sophisticated part of this world, what he hell are gluten? Is it something like omega3?


Gluten is a protein that is the major component of wheat flour.  It denatures upon moistening and kneading forming a mesh that traps the carbon dioxide produced by yeast.  When heated the carbon dioxide trapped in the gluten matrix pushes it out to form the bubbles seen in leavened bread.

For a small percentage of the population, gluten stimulates the immune system to attack the walls of the intestine.  This causes all sorts of nasty problems including abdominal bleeding and possible death.
 
2014-08-08 07:06:45 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't understand these products:
[glutenfreepdx.files.wordpress.com image 655x460]


There is gluten in barley.
 
2014-08-08 08:27:20 PM  

Dragonflew: sharphead: This actually is quite interesting, because products before *could* have gluten in them and be marked as gluten free - so... what happened to all those "Gluten Free" people who would die if they ate a gluten filled item? I never heard of anyone suing or getting sick from a gluten free item.

Almost starting to think the whole gluten thing is just attention whoring and not a medical issue at all.

You're correct. Which must make people with actual celiac disease furious.


Well, the real problem with the gluten-free fad is that it's been promoting "gluten-free" foods that actually have significant amounts of gluten in them. On the other hand, it also has been promoting the development of a lot more foods that actually are gluten-free, so celiac sufferers do have a broader variety of foods available to them (though they still need to test new foods in small samples to make sure they aren't contaminated).

Which brings us back to TFA and the FDA cracking down on mislabeling, which will certainly help deal with the "surprise, you get to be sick as a dog for three days!" problem.
 
2014-08-08 08:40:45 PM  
So, gluten-free bread with gluten is gluten free-bread?
 
2014-08-08 11:45:35 PM  
Kurt J Mac seen rejoicing on the way to the Far Lands?
 
2014-08-09 01:01:51 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't understand these products:
[glutenfreepdx.files.wordpress.com image 655x460]


The sad, sad thing is that Red Bridge, which is made by Budweiser, is the best one in the photo. I really wish I could drink decent beer.
Miss the Hell out of Guinness.

/celiac sucks
//don't understand people who choose to not eat gluten on a misinformed whim.
/// GF slashies
 
2014-08-09 01:10:50 PM  
The amount of regulatory oversight the FDA doesn't have, and the things manufacturers can get away with before the FDA is legally allowed to crack down on them should shock and horrify any of us putting the stuff they regulate into our bodies, and we should be demanding a change to this.

For those who missed John Oliver's explanation of the FDA's lack of ability to regulate dietary supplements:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA0wKeokWUU (NSFW language)
 
2014-08-09 02:41:49 PM  

12349876: blatz514: I bought gluten-free Kool Aid the other day.   Such disappointment.

/seriously, gluten-free Kool Aid
//WTF

All sorts of stuff that never had gluten has that badge on it now.


Saw "Gluten Free*" on a bottle of local vodka.  "*Like always!!" right below it.
 
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