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2014-08-08 10:59:52 AM  
The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?
 
2014-08-08 11:01:51 AM  
...and when impeachment was about something other than "I don't like that guy."

Seriously, if Obama is guilty of anything, it's continuing on with 99% of the BS of the last administration. And since it wasn't impeachable then...
 
2014-08-08 11:21:24 AM  

Magorn: The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?


Yep. Those days are long gone.
 
2014-08-08 11:23:39 AM  

edmo: ...and when impeachment was about something other than "I don't like that guy."

Seriously, if Obama is guilty of anything, it's continuing on with 99% of the BS of the last administration. And since it wasn't impeachable then...


More like 10%
 
2014-08-08 11:25:50 AM  

edmo: ...and when impeachment was about something other than "I don't like that guy."

Seriously, if Obama is guilty of anything, it's continuing on with 99% of the BS of the last administration. And since it wasn't impeachable then...


Not 99%, maybe 50-75%. We don't torture anymore, he wanted to close Gitmo, we're out of Iraq (or were). Yes we still use drones and spy on Americans. Bad President.

Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".
 
2014-08-08 12:55:50 PM  
I prefer to harken back to 1868, when people who talked about impeaching a president did so with vindictive hearts, with burning hatred in their eyes, and rage in their voice, even if they were from the president's own party. Good times.
 
2014-08-08 01:34:13 PM  
Meh. During much of the 20th century, people were far too respectful of authority, especially during the Cold War. The way things are now isn't particularly good, but being overly deferential also has its own drawbacks.

It would be nice if we could find a happy medium.
 
2014-08-08 01:35:48 PM  

enry: edmo: ...and when impeachment was about something other than "I don't like that guy."

Seriously, if Obama is guilty of anything, it's continuing on with 99% of the BS of the last administration. And since it wasn't impeachable then...

Not 99%, maybe 50-75%. We don't torture anymore, he wanted to close Gitmo, we're out of Iraq (or were). Yes we still use drones and spy on Americans. Bad President.

Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".


The events of the Clinton administration have shown that to be a lie.
 
2014-08-08 01:41:16 PM  

Magorn: The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?


I'm not sure if it's even particularly cherry-picked. There just wasn't a lot of glee about the revelations that came out about Nixon. It was mostly just the growing understanding that he had to go. There wasn't this brainless frenzied dogpiling over every little thing. I suppose the Internet has a lot to do with that.
 
2014-08-08 01:41:27 PM  

Magorn: The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?


I don't think we've gotten more coarse.  It's just that we're giving derpy people ever-more-powerful microphones (especially in the form of the internet).  I think the derp's always been there, it's just less well-hidden than it once was.  Professional news organizations are putting the derpy people front and center, when they used to discreetly hide them.
 
2014-08-08 01:42:43 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Magorn: The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?

I don't think we've gotten more coarse.  It's just that we're giving derpy people ever-more-powerful microphones (especially in the form of the internet).  I think the derp's always been there, it's just less well-hidden than it once was.  Professional news organizations are putting the derpy people front and center, when they used to discreetly hide them.


And the derp now totally controls all discourse, political or not.
 
2014-08-08 01:43:21 PM  
The GOP insulation against impeachment is to have a VP in office that no sane person wants in the top slot. The Dem side always tries for the most qualified guy in the VP slot.

Evidence: Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin.

The GOP considers impeachment as nothing more than a do-over of the election to protect their "right" to rue.
 
2014-08-08 01:43:56 PM  
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2014-08-08 01:47:53 PM  
The next government shut down will occur because the baggers will demand impeachment move forward before they'll fund the government.
 
2014-08-08 01:49:29 PM  

AntiNerd: The GOP insulation against impeachment is to have a VP in office that no sane person wants in the top slot. The Dem side always tries for the most qualified guy in the VP slot.

Evidence: Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin.

The GOP considers impeachment as nothing more than a do-over of the election to protect their "right" to rue.


Biden is the most qualified? Gore...yes. Biden, no.
 
2014-08-08 01:50:52 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: HMS_Blinkin: Magorn: The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?

I don't think we've gotten more coarse.  It's just that we're giving derpy people ever-more-powerful microphones (especially in the form of the internet).  I think the derp's always been there, it's just less well-hidden than it once was.  Professional news organizations are putting the derpy people front and center, when they used to discreetly hide them.

And the derp now totally controls all discourse, political or not.


It was a Pandora's box of sorts.  You go into the gutter of derp and boost your ratings in the short run, but look at what's happened to the state of American news media.  We've gone from Edward R. Murrow to Steve Doocy.
 
2014-08-08 01:53:21 PM  
Well, the first President to be impeached was done because he fired someone the other party decided shouldn't be fired. Congress passed a law stating he couldn't do that. He thought it was unconstitutional (it was) and then decided that was that and he was impeached.

Oh, this was in the 1860s. So ... what are we talking about again?
 
2014-08-08 01:53:32 PM  

enry: Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".


The House could impeach the President for wearing mismatched socks if they wanted to.  It's just the act of bringing charges which the Senate then has to try the individual for.  Nothing (that I know of, at least) says that the charges have to be real or significant.
 
2014-08-08 01:57:34 PM  
Cokie Robers' dad was a Louisiana Congressman for a decades.  I saw he talk a couple years ago about how when she was a kid her dad and congressmen from the opposition would get together and have dinner at their house.  They'd talk work and it would get heated and sometimes yelling very loudly.  At the end of the night they'd shake hands and say goodnight and still be friends.

That would never happen today.
 
2014-08-08 01:58:27 PM  

RadiomanATL: AntiNerd: The GOP insulation against impeachment is to have a VP in office that no sane person wants in the top slot. The Dem side always tries for the most qualified guy in the VP slot.

Evidence: Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin.

The GOP considers impeachment as nothing more than a do-over of the election to protect their "right" to rue.

Biden is the most qualified? Gore...yes. Biden, no.


I would absolutely love Biden as President. I agree, or at least mostly agree, with probably 75-90% of his stated political positions, which is pretty damn high for a politician these days. God how I wish he were just ten years younger so he could run for President this time around.
 
2014-08-08 01:59:58 PM  

AntiNerd: The GOP insulation against impeachment is to have a VP in office that no sane person wants in the top slot. The Dem side always tries for the most qualified guy in the VP slot.

Evidence: Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin.

The GOP considers impeachment as nothing more than a do-over of the election to protect their "right" to rue.


Seeing how Joe Lieberman turned out after Gore's defeat, I might disagree  with your thesis.
 
2014-08-08 02:00:09 PM  

Aquapope: Cokie Robers' dad was a Louisiana Congressman for a decades.  I saw he talk a couple years ago about how when she was a kid her dad and congressmen from the opposition would get together and have dinner at their house.  They'd talk work and it would get heated and sometimes yelling very loudly.  At the end of the night they'd shake hands and say goodnight and still be friends.

That would never happen today.


That's because both of those sides wanted what was best for the country, they just disagreed on how to get there. That is not the case for one of the major parties today.
 
2014-08-08 02:02:10 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: AntiNerd: The GOP insulation against impeachment is to have a VP in office that no sane person wants in the top slot. The Dem side always tries for the most qualified guy in the VP slot.

Evidence: Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin.

The GOP considers impeachment as nothing more than a do-over of the election to protect their "right" to rue.

Seeing how Joe Lieberman turned out after Gore's defeat, I might disagree  with your thesis.


And John Edwards
 
2014-08-08 02:07:49 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Aquapope: Cokie Robers' dad was a Louisiana Congressman for a decades.  I saw he talk a couple years ago about how when she was a kid her dad and congressmen from the opposition would get together and have dinner at their house.  They'd talk work and it would get heated and sometimes yelling very loudly.  At the end of the night they'd shake hands and say goodnight and still be friends.

That would never happen today.

That's because both of those sides wanted what was best for the country, they just disagreed on how to get there. That is not the case for one of the major parties today.


I don't think that party wants horrible things for the U.S., so much as they have a quasi-religious dogma regarding how we're supposed to achieve what's best, and their faith is really divorced from reality. ("Tax cuts always work", q.v.)
 
2014-08-08 02:10:41 PM  

phaseolus: Lord Dimwit: Aquapope: Cokie Robers' dad was a Louisiana Congressman for a decades.  I saw he talk a couple years ago about how when she was a kid her dad and congressmen from the opposition would get together and have dinner at their house.  They'd talk work and it would get heated and sometimes yelling very loudly.  At the end of the night they'd shake hands and say goodnight and still be friends.

That would never happen today.

That's because both of those sides wanted what was best for the country, they just disagreed on how to get there. That is not the case for one of the major parties today.

I don't think that party wants horrible things for the U.S., so much as they have a quasi-religious dogma regarding how we're supposed to achieve what's best, and their faith is really divorced from reality. ("Tax cuts always work", q.v.)


No. One party has shut down the government and constantly refused to confirm people to fill needed but empty positions, purely out of spite. It's obvious that it's out of spite because after the deadlock is finally broken, they go ahead and vote in favor of whatever it was - sometimes they were the ones to propose something in the first place before filibustering it because the other side agreed.
 
2014-08-08 02:11:50 PM  
From the comments:

President Obama learned from Nixon - destroy the tapes. That is why over ten hard drives have been destroyed and emails "unrecoverable" in the IRS scandal. Not something to be proud of.
If President Obama follows through on his threat to legalize five million illegal immigrants he will be breaking the law at an unprecedented level. However, his skin color will protect him. There is no way the first half-black US President will be impeached. It is tragic for the country that he choses to abuse that free pass in this way.


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2014-08-08 02:13:20 PM  

Lord Dimwit: That's because both of those sides wanted what was best for the country, they just disagreed on how to get there. That is not the case for one of the major parties today.


One party no longer believes in the concept of "governance".
 
2014-08-08 02:21:31 PM  
The GOP believes that since they had a guy on their team get impeached and forced to resign, then they need a similar guy on the other side impeached and resigned. They think it's like a football game when their side got caught for roughing the passer, then every action by the other side must be scrutinized for any fault or infringement and be penalized at the same level or higher.

What a bunch of flippin' douche bags.
 
2014-08-08 02:21:51 PM  
Shouldn't it be "hark back" and not "harken back"?
 
2014-08-08 02:25:01 PM  

NkThrasher: enry: Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".

The House could impeach the President for wearing mismatched socks if they wanted to.  It's just the act of bringing charges which the Senate then has to try the individual for.  Nothing (that I know of, at least) says that the charges have to be real or significant.


I would argue the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is a legal qualifier that says the president has to at be alleged to have committed a crime before an impeachment can said to be valid
 
2014-08-08 02:31:24 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Aquapope: Cokie Robers' dad was a Louisiana Congressman for a decades.  I saw he talk a couple years ago about how when she was a kid her dad and congressmen from the opposition would get together and have dinner at their house.  They'd talk work and it would get heated and sometimes yelling very loudly.  At the end of the night they'd shake hands and say goodnight and still be friends.

That would never happen today.

That's because both of those sides wanted what was best for the country, they just disagreed on how to get there. That is not the case for one of the major parties today.


Well that, and back then we really Had FOUR parties not just two, and so coalitions were easier and roadblocking harder.  The Southern Dems and their Urban and Northern  cousins often allied on some issues but split on others, and likewise the Northern GOP aka Rockefeller Republicans, could have vastly different agendas, sometimes more aligned with the northern dems than their own western and southern party mates
 
2014-08-08 02:31:28 PM  
If you actually think Benghazi is worse than slavery, the Trail of Tears, interning Japanese-Americans, Operation Ajax, the Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, Iran/Contra, the second Iraq War, or "enhanced interrogation" of prisoners being indefinitely held without trial, there aren't enough airholes in your bubble.
 
2014-08-08 02:32:28 PM  

dericwater: The GOP believes that since they had a guy on their team get impeached and forced to resign, then they need a similar guy on the other side impeached and resigned. They think it's like a football game when their side got caught for roughing the passer, then every action by the other side must be scrutinized for any fault or infringement and be penalized at the same level or higher.

What a bunch of flippin' douche bags.


Worse than that: Nixon committed all manner of crimes associated with a national election, and would have been impeached and tossed out, so he resigned.  Then Reagan committed treason involving selling our enemies weapons and circumventing congress budgetary authority to give foreign aid - we even had hearings about it.  So both 2 presidents with egg on their faces for seriously criminal activity and somebody gotta pay for that.  In fact, every Dem President is gonna pay for that, whether it's lying about  a blowjob or being black.

Notice how many times somebody says Benghazi is worse than Watergate or Iran-Contra.  It's all about getting even for real crimes with manufactured crimes.
 
2014-08-08 02:38:16 PM  
Oh come on.  As if any Conservative really cares about the US.  True patriotism is so yesterday's news for the GOP.  They only want to tear everything down and live in some bizarre fantasy land.
 
2014-08-08 02:42:56 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: If you actually think Benghazi is worse than slavery, the Trail of Tears, interning Japanese-Americans, Operation Ajax, the Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, Iran/Contra, the second Iraq War, or "enhanced interrogation" of prisoners being indefinitely held without trial, there aren't enough airholes in your bubble.


The Bengahzi scandle is completely diferent from those others. It is almost as if those differences were black(brown) and white, so to speak.
 
2014-08-08 02:43:43 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Pants full of macaroni!!: HMS_Blinkin: Magorn: The segment where they played excerpts from the call in show really caught me.   Granted they probably Cherry-picked, but I listen to c-span radio a lot and they have a very similar format, but the tone and civility of the callers is VERY different.   Have we really gotten so much more infantile and coarse in such a short period of time?

I don't think we've gotten more coarse.  It's just that we're giving derpy people ever-more-powerful microphones (especially in the form of the internet).  I think the derp's always been there, it's just less well-hidden than it once was.  Professional news organizations are putting the derpy people front and center, when they used to discreetly hide them.

And the derp now totally controls all discourse, political or not.

It was a Pandora's box of sorts.  You go into the gutter of derp and boost your ratings in the short run, but look at what's happened to the state of American news media.  We've gone from Edward R. Murrow to Steve Doocy.


During the week of Christmas the regulars of Fox & Friends, Steve Doocy, the dopey, mop-haired blond, and the dumb guy that isn't Steve Doocy had the week off.  I didn't think it was biologically possible, but Fox News found three people who were even dumber than those three to fill in for the week.
 
2014-08-08 02:44:21 PM  

Magorn: NkThrasher: enry: Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".

The House could impeach the President for wearing mismatched socks if they wanted to.  It's just the act of bringing charges which the Senate then has to try the individual for.  Nothing (that I know of, at least) says that the charges have to be real or significant.

I would argue the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is a legal qualifier that says the president has to at be alleged to have committed a crime before an impeachment can said to be valid


Sure, but in practice, there's no one who can stop the House from impeaching someone. Since the power of impeachment is reserved entirely to the House of Representatives, a valid impeachment is whatever the House says it is.
 
2014-08-08 02:44:26 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Oh come on.  As if any Conservative really cares about the US.  True patriotism is so yesterday's news for the GOP.  They only want to tear everything down and live in some bizarre fantasy land.


States before the Union. Bros before Hos.
 
2014-08-08 02:45:17 PM  

edmo: ...and when impeachment was about something other than "I don't like that guy."

Seriously, if Obama is guilty of anything, it's continuing on with 99% of the BS of the last administration. And since it wasn't impeachable then...


More like 60% of the previous president's work. Or 3/5 for those of you who prefer fractions, I'm always willing to compromise after all.
 
2014-08-08 02:51:27 PM  

Lord Dimwit: phaseolus: Lord Dimwit: Aquapope: Cokie Robers' dad was a Louisiana Congressman for a decades.  I saw he talk a couple years ago about how when she was a kid her dad and congressmen from the opposition would get together and have dinner at their house.  They'd talk work and it would get heated and sometimes yelling very loudly.  At the end of the night they'd shake hands and say goodnight and still be friends.

That would never happen today.

That's because both of those sides wanted what was best for the country, they just disagreed on how to get there. That is not the case for one of the major parties today.

I don't think that party wants horrible things for the U.S., so much as they have a quasi-religious dogma regarding how we're supposed to achieve what's best, and their faith is really divorced from reality. ("Tax cuts always work", q.v.)

No. One party has shut down the government and constantly refused to confirm people to fill needed but empty positions, purely out of spite. It's obvious that it's out of spite because after the deadlock is finally broken, they go ahead and vote in favor of whatever it was - sometimes they were the ones to propose something in the first place before filibustering it because the other side agreed.


They painted themselves into a corner, slowly, over the last thirty years. They rebuilt their party platform on a shaky foundation of ideological purity, entrusted the engineering to a bunch of hucksters masking as dissenimators of information, and asked the morally bankrupt to win them elections. Now they have no alternative but to redirect the forces eroding their standing towards anyone else.
 
2014-08-08 02:55:57 PM  
To add: It's never the content, it's the style. It's never the message, it's the messenger. It certainly is never our ideology, it's your interpretation of our ideology.
 
2014-08-08 02:58:11 PM  

Magorn: NkThrasher: enry: Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".

The House could impeach the President for wearing mismatched socks if they wanted to.  It's just the act of bringing charges which the Senate then has to try the individual for.  Nothing (that I know of, at least) says that the charges have to be real or significant.

I would argue the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is a legal qualifier that says the president has to at be alleged to have committed a crime before an impeachment can said to be valid


According to a lot of the people who are clamouring for Obama's impeachment, his main crime is having
the temerity to be President.
 
2014-08-08 03:00:45 PM  

Magorn: NkThrasher: enry: Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".

The House could impeach the President for wearing mismatched socks if they wanted to.  It's just the act of bringing charges which the Senate then has to try the individual for.  Nothing (that I know of, at least) says that the charges have to be real or significant.

I would argue the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is a legal qualifier that says the president has to at be alleged to have committed a crime before an impeachment can said to be valid


Indeed: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." So unless the teabaggers get enough votes together to override Obama's veto and pass a law that makes presidenting while black a felony, he's safe.

Everyone - Obama most of all - knows that the GOP fantasizes about catching Obama in an impeachable offense more fervently than a 15 year old boy fantasizes about sex. Fortunately, the GOP is about as subtle as a runaway freight train and Obama is smart and able to keep it in his pants so he's pretty unlikely to be caught by any of their *cough* brilliantly laid traps...
 
2014-08-08 03:02:40 PM  

UNC_Samurai: To add: It's never the content, it's the style. It's never the message, it's the messenger. It certainly is never our ideology, it's your interpretation of our ideology.


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2014-08-08 03:06:23 PM  

erik-k: Magorn: NkThrasher: enry: Still, impeachment is not a term you toss around for the shiats and giggles. It's a serious charge that requires more than "he's lawless!" or "he lied about a beej".

The House could impeach the President for wearing mismatched socks if they wanted to.  It's just the act of bringing charges which the Senate then has to try the individual for.  Nothing (that I know of, at least) says that the charges have to be real or significant.

I would argue the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is a legal qualifier that says the president has to at be alleged to have committed a crime before an impeachment can said to be valid

Indeed: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." So unless the teabaggers get enough votes together to override Obama's veto and pass a law that makes presidenting while black a felony, he's safe.

Everyone - Obama most of all - knows that the GOP fantasizes about catching Obama in an impeachable offense more fervently than a 15 year old boy fantasizes about sex. Fortunately, the GOP is about as subtle as a runaway freight train and Obama is smart and able to keep it in his pants so he's pretty unlikely to be caught by any of their *cough* brilliantly laid traps...


Eh, the problem is that there's a large enough body of law that everyone is guilty of something. All it takes is for Obama to have completely unintentionally done something - return a library book late or something - and the GOP could try to impeach him. The goal isn't to find out he did something - he did, as has everyone. The goal is to find something they can trump up so that they don't look like complete idiots when they bring up the articles of impeachment.
 
2014-08-08 03:07:10 PM  

Magorn: I would argue the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is a legal qualifier that says the president has to at be alleged to have committed a crime before an impeachment can said to be valid


Right, but the enforcement measure is the senate saying "No, you're dumb." and finding the president not to be in violation of any law and the charges fail.  At that point the "impeachment" has already happened.
 
2014-08-08 03:07:34 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: We've gone from Edward R. Murrow to Steve Doocy.


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"To be persuasive, we must be believable; to be believable, we must be credible; to be credible, we must be truthful."

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"We'd like to clarify a story we reported on yesterday on this program. The story was about a possible apology from President Obama to the country of Japan for the United States dropping bombs on that country during World War II. Well, we want to make sure this is very clear. There was never a plan for President Obama to apologize to Japan. We should have been clearer about this, and we're sorry for any confusion."



Sigh. You're right.
 
2014-08-08 03:08:42 PM  

ox45tallboy: HMS_Blinkin: We've gone from Edward R. Murrow to Steve Doocy.

[www.rtdna.org image 425x265]
"To be persuasive, we must be believable; to be believable, we must be credible; to be credible, we must be truthful."

[a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 425x245]
"We'd like to clarify a story we reported on yesterday on this program. The story was about a possible apology from President Obama to the country of Japan for the United States dropping bombs on that country during World War II. Well, we want to make sure this is very clear. There was never a plan for President Obama to apologize to Japan. We should have been clearer about this, and we're sorry for any confusion."

Sigh. You're right.


I'm waiting for when Fox News doesn't even bother with retractions or corrections at all. The time is coming.
 
2014-08-08 03:09:32 PM  

enry: edmo: ...and when impeachment was about something other than "I don't like that guy."

Seriously, if Obama is guilty of anything, it's continuing on with 99% of the BS of the last administration. And since it wasn't impeachable then...

Not 99%, maybe 50-75%. We don't torture anymore...

[snip]

Bullshait. The CIA's been torturing people ever since it was founded. It's predecessor, the OSS, smuggled some of the most vile Nazi SS torturers out of Germany after WW2 just so they could learn from them. Google Operation Condor, Operation Phoenix, or any of the secret police outfits of any African, Asian, Central or South American dictator we've supported.
 
2014-08-08 03:13:43 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Eh, the problem is that there's a large enough body of law that everyone is guilty of something. All it takes is for Obama to have completely unintentionally done something - return a library book late or something - and the GOP could try to impeach him. The goal isn't to find out he did something - he did, as has everyone. The goal is to find something they can trump up so that they don't look like complete idiots when they bring up the articles of impeachment.


Like forcing the President to testify about an extramarital affair completely unrelated to any kind of wrongdoing relative to his office, and then ask him about "sex" under their own carefully-crafted definition to make it appear his technically accurate testimony is a lie?
 
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