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2014-08-08 11:36:27 AM
In summary, this guy had a cat and it died and it was expensive and healthcare is just like that except it's not.
 
2014-08-08 11:59:46 AM

bdub77: In summary, this guy had a cat and it died and it was expensive and healthcare is just like that except it's not.


Pretty much. I stopped reading when I realized it was all about easing the writer's conscience and complaining about healthcare costs. There may have been some Obamacare bashing but I lost interest too soon to find out.
 
2014-08-08 12:49:28 PM
By Matthew Herper

Hmmmm.....
 
2014-08-08 12:53:35 PM
Herper derps
 
2014-08-08 12:53:40 PM
Well, that was a dumb article that said nothing of substance.

But it made me tear up about the cat.

Because I pretty much just went through that in May with my cat.
And I'm a huge softie for pets

RIP Petty
 
2014-08-08 12:55:20 PM
"What I learned about health care when my favorite toad got squished by a mule"
 
2014-08-08 12:55:37 PM
At the vet, Bonny was literally scared to death, ...

That saves on having the vet put her down.
 
2014-08-08 12:57:36 PM
In general pet healthcare is very different than human healthcare.

Most pet healthcare is paid out of pocket and not through insurance.

The level of preventive treatment for humans and monitoring before something goes wrong is very different.

The author is an idiot.
 
2014-08-08 12:58:23 PM

Wellon Dowd: At the vet, Bonny was literally scared to death, ...

That saves on having the vet put her down.


Mini-threadjack but why is it so easy to put an animal down but the prison system can't seem to put a prisoner down? I took my old border collie in, they ran an IV, injected something she was dead in seconds and it looked so peaceful.
 
2014-08-08 01:02:11 PM
Nobamacare doesn't cover pets. Checkmate libtardos!
 
2014-08-08 01:03:00 PM
Just found out my cat has cancer.  Nearly 20 years old.  :(img.fark.net
 
2014-08-08 01:04:54 PM

gameshowhost: "What I learned about health care when my favorite toad got squished by a mule"


A nine year old kid walks into a whorehouse dragging a dead frog on a string behind him. He walks up to the madam, slaps a hundred dollar down on the desk in front of her and says, "I want a woman."

The madam says, "Aren't you a little young for this?"

The kid slaps another hundred dollar bill down and repeats, "I WANT A WOMAN."

The madam says, "Okay, okay, have a seat and someone will be with you shortly."

The kid slaps another hundred dollar bill down and says, "I want a woman NOW."

The madam says, "Okay, we'll take care of you right away."

The kids says, "One more thing. She has to have active herpes."

The madam says, "Are you nuts?"

The kid slaps down another hundred dollar bill and says, "ACTIVE HERPES."

So a hooker comes downstairs, the kid follows her back up, still dragging the dead frog behind him, and two minutes later come back down again. The madam says, "I have to ask. What's this all about?"

The kid says, "When I get home, I'm gonna fark the babysitter. Then, when my folks get back from their party, my dad will drive her home and they'll stop off and fark along the way. Then, when my dad gets home, he'll fark my mom. And tomorrow, after my dad goes to work, my mom will fark the mailman... AND HE'S THE BASTARD WHO RAN OVER MY FROG!"
 
2014-08-08 01:05:12 PM
He was so close to actually finding a point about how health care can't operate like other businesses, and then it was lost when he started talking about upfront pricing on a car. More often than not, you don't have a choice in how to receive health services. And the externalities and consequences of health decisions frequently eliminate the ability to make well-researched choices.

Caveat emptor is not and should never be an acceptable model when it comes to your health, and the companies that can exert undue influence and control on people's health decisions should not be allowed to operate with the same doctrines as the company making your blender.
 
2014-08-08 01:06:53 PM

foo monkey: Just found out my cat has cancer.  Nearly 20 years old.  :([img.fark.net image 816x612]


"Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened."

- Anatole France
 
2014-08-08 01:07:37 PM
I'm amazed a Forbes article about healthcare wasn't by Avik Roy.
 
2014-08-08 01:07:53 PM
Garbage in, garbage out.

People who get into medicine for the money are in it for the money.
 
2014-08-08 01:12:02 PM
What in the farking fark is this shiat?!?!?

This link completely locked up my iPhone. Not the browser, the entire phone. I couldn't even do the regular shut-down, I had to do the super-shut-down.  That's some fine web developing there, Lou.
 
2014-08-08 01:13:30 PM
My cat died at 22 years old.  In the last few years of its life, it seemed to get dementia.  It became afraid of anything unfamiliar in its surroundings, showed no affection or gratitude towards its friends and benefactors (the family members), and would viciously attack anyone who tried to modify its situation at all (for example, you couldn't pick it up, it would bite you if you pet it, it would sit on you then bite you if you didn't pet it...).

Essentially, in the last three years or so of its life, my cat was a Republican.
 
2014-08-08 01:15:21 PM
If he learned that healthcare is expensive, that tough decisions between costs and treatment sometimes have to be made, and that it's very emotional sometimes no matter what decisions are made... and he learned those things from his cat... he's a failure as an adult as he should have learned all that by the time he was about 15.
 
2014-08-08 01:19:35 PM

foo monkey: Just found out my cat has cancer.  Nearly 20 years old.  :([img.fark.net image 816x612]


Aaaaawwww, poor sweetie. I hope he isn't in a lot of pain.

Sounds like he (she? not sure) has had a good, long life and he has a nice owner who obviously loves him a lot.

/mine's 14. I despair when I think I may not have much longer with her. I mean, she's fine and healthy, she's just old. I'm a silly person.
 
2014-08-08 01:20:00 PM

TwoBeersOneCan: My cat died at 22 years old.  In the last few years of its life, it seemed to get dementia.  It became afraid of anything unfamiliar in its surroundings, showed no affection or gratitude towards its friends and benefactors (the family members), and would viciously attack anyone who tried to modify its situation at all (for example, you couldn't pick it up, it would bite you if you pet it, it would sit on you then bite you if you didn't pet it...).

Essentially, in the last three years or so of its life, my cat was a Republican.


Heh, good one.
 
2014-08-08 01:20:34 PM
This is why I don't go to the vet.  It costs hundreds of dollars to just figure out how many hundreds of dollars it will cost me.
 
2014-08-08 01:25:31 PM

clambam: foo monkey: Just found out my cat has cancer.  Nearly 20 years old.  :([img.fark.net image 816x612]

"Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened."

- Anatole France


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-08 01:28:29 PM
My cat died just before Thanksgiving. Twelve years before my girlfriend had told me she wanted a cat...

Did he borrow Obama's Time Machine to come back here and tell us about the FUTURE?
 
2014-08-08 01:31:54 PM
I don't get the article either.

I think he's arguing that veterinary care is superior because when you find out how much it will cost you can just euthanize instead and why couldn't we do that to my son instead of the appendectomy.
 
2014-08-08 01:37:29 PM
Cutting edge treatments are expensive.

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-08 01:39:05 PM

with great power comes great insanity: I don't get the article either.

I think he's arguing that veterinary care is superior because when you find out how much it will cost you can just euthanize instead and why couldn't we do that to my son instead of the appendectomy.


Little Timmy had a good life but it's time to put him to sleep.
 
2014-08-08 01:41:00 PM
I only skimmed it, but is the point he's trying to make that pricing in healthcare is opaque? And concluding from that fact that the solution is to make it less opaque so that patients (or should I say consumers) can make better choices?

If so, he learned the right lesson but came to the wrong conclusion.
 
2014-08-08 01:48:51 PM

Aquapope: If he learned that healthcare is expensive, that tough decisions between costs and treatment sometimes have to be made, and that it's very emotional sometimes no matter what decisions are made... and he learned those things from his cat... he's a failure as an adult as he should have learned all that by the time he was about 15.


This.
 
2014-08-08 01:49:58 PM

gameshowhost: clambam: foo monkey: Just found out my cat has cancer.  Nearly 20 years old.  :([img.fark.net image 816x612]

"Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened."

- Anatole France

[img.fark.net image 525x259]


I married an Armenian. Everything Woody Allen ever said about them is true.
 
2014-08-08 01:50:45 PM

eiger: I only skimmed it, but is the point he's trying to make that pricing in healthcare is opaque? And concluding from that fact that the solution is to make it less opaque so that patients (or should I say consumers) can make better choices?

If so, he learned the right lesson but came to the wrong conclusion.


What he's saying is why can't healthcare be like when you get your car repaired where you can negotiate prices before they put you under so that if they were going to put in an expensive stint for 90% chance of recovery they can just put in some 20-year old technology that has a 40% chance of recovery, regardless of the fact that both surgeries will cost well over $4000 and after insurance will cost the same to you in the end.

I mean, why can't you doctors just do that? Huh?
 
2014-08-08 01:51:05 PM
There's not really any doubt in my mind that giving people a real stake in their healthcare spending is important when it comes to lowering health care costs.

People who say this generally have no idea what it means to have a real stake in their healthcare spending. Having a real stake in your healthcare spending is when you have to decide whether you can afford to have healthcare.
 
2014-08-08 01:57:46 PM
That vets are expensive? *looks* Oh, more anti-Obamacare derp.
 
2014-08-08 02:02:39 PM

bdub77: eiger: I only skimmed it, but is the point he's trying to make that pricing in healthcare is opaque? And concluding from that fact that the solution is to make it less opaque so that patients (or should I say consumers) can make better choices?

If so, he learned the right lesson but came to the wrong conclusion.

What he's saying is why can't healthcare be like when you get your car repaired where you can negotiate prices before they put you under so that if they were going to put in an expensive stint for 90% chance of recovery they can just put in some 20-year old technology that has a 40% chance of recovery, regardless of the fact that both surgeries will cost well over $4000 and after insurance will cost the same to you in the end.

I mean, why can't you doctors just do that? Huh?


Don't ask me. Whenever I'm feeling a little heart-attacky, I just go to this part-time doctor I know who will put in a used stint that he pulled out of someone else. He does the work right in his garage!

I can pay him with bitcoins, too.
 
2014-08-08 02:24:59 PM
You know what would solve this issue? Single payer.
 
2014-08-08 02:24:59 PM

eiger: I only skimmed it, but is the point he's trying to make that pricing in healthcare is opaque? And concluding from that fact that the solution is to make it less opaque so that patients (or should I say consumers) can make better choices?

If so, he learned the right lesson but came to the wrong conclusion.


Well, I think he's also referring to some things like the cost is also given out ahead of time, the possible benefits are explained so that the risk of NOT having a particular procedure or test can be more honestly weighed, and above all, it's waaaaaay cheaper to have exactly the same test (such as an X-Ray or MRI) done on an animal as it is a human - while using exactly the same equipment, performed by someone with the same amount of training and read by someone with the same amount of schooling. The same medicines are also vastly cheaper for pets than for humans.
 
2014-08-08 02:27:41 PM
Csb time!

The skanks at KSU vet med almost killed my dog. He was a big baby and got severe anxiety whenever he was separated from the pack. Anyway, he fainted on a walk with my mom; and we took him to vet med to get a heart monitor put on.

He started having heart palpitations when they started shaving him to put the sensors on him. Eventually, they brought me in the shaving room; where he was freaking out. The moment he saw me; he started calming down.

They wanted to keep him overnight, because his heart palpitations were so bad. The head skank told me that he could die if I took him home. I took him home anyway. He fell asleep in on truckride home and lived happily for another 7 years before he decided to eat a Clorox cleaner thing that got left in one of the low trash cans.
 
2014-08-08 02:30:44 PM
I know people who work in veterinary health in Canada (I work in this field too, but it's labwork so I don't have to deal with customers). You wouldn't believe how many stories I have heard about clients just  flipping the fark out when they see how much healthcare actually costs. They take it completely for granted because they've never had to pay a human hospital bill. Sorry lady, we're not charging you 15 bucks a pill because we're assholes. It's because the pharmaceutical company charged us 12 bucks a pill and we're trying to not go out of business.

/there is a reason why everything is so heavily taxed in this country, particularly cigarettes and booze.
 
2014-08-08 02:31:04 PM

Aquapope: If he learned that healthcare is expensive, that tough decisions between costs and treatment sometimes have to be made, and that it's very emotional sometimes no matter what decisions are made... and he learned those things from his cat... he's a failure as an adult as he should have learned all that by the time he was about 15.


I was thinking much the same thing. Basically this guy wrote a long piece to say "I am incapable of feeling empathy towards other human beings". It's another classic example of how the conservative mind simply cannot comprehend basic aspects of humanity until something happens personally to them. As if more proof were needed that the modern conservative mindset is one of narcissism at best and sociopathic narcissism at worst.
 
2014-08-08 02:33:44 PM

iheartscotch: Csb time!

The skanks at KSU vet med almost killed my dog. He was a big baby and got severe anxiety whenever he was separated from the pack. Anyway, he fainted on a walk with my mom; and we took him to vet med to get a heart monitor put on.

He started having heart palpitations when they started shaving him to put the sensors on him. Eventually, they brought me in the shaving room; where he was freaking out. The moment he saw me; he started calming down.

They wanted to keep him overnight, because his heart palpitations were so bad. The head skank told me that he could die if I took him home. I took him home anyway. He fell asleep in on truckride home and lived happily for another 7 years before he decided to eat a Clorox cleaner thing that got left in one of the low trash cans.


You're very angry at them for doing (in your telling of the story) nothing wrong.
 
2014-08-08 02:36:56 PM
That was kind of all over the  place.

But human health care at those prices would be a very good deal.
 
2014-08-08 02:39:46 PM

monoski: Wellon Dowd: At the vet, Bonny was literally scared to death, ...

That saves on having the vet put her down.

Mini-threadjack but why is it so easy to put an animal down but the prison system can't seem to put a prisoner down? I took my old border collie in, they ran an IV, injected something she was dead in seconds and it looked so peaceful.


Have you ever watched someone die from cancer?  We treat our pets better than humans at the end of their lives.  because JESUS loves you.

I have an advance plan to 'put myself down' should I find myself in that position.  No way am I putting my fammily through that again.
 
2014-08-08 02:46:09 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: iheartscotch: Csb time!

The skanks at KSU vet med almost killed my dog. He was a big baby and got severe anxiety whenever he was separated from the pack. Anyway, he fainted on a walk with my mom; and we took him to vet med to get a heart monitor put on.

He started having heart palpitations when they started shaving him to put the sensors on him. Eventually, they brought me in the shaving room; where he was freaking out. The moment he saw me; he started calming down.

They wanted to keep him overnight, because his heart palpitations were so bad. The head skank told me that he could die if I took him home. I took him home anyway. He fell asleep in on truckride home and lived happily for another 7 years before he decided to eat a Clorox cleaner thing that got left in one of the low trash cans.

You're very angry at them for doing (in your telling of the story) nothing wrong.


I'll admit that they didn't really do anything blatantly wrong; but, I condensed events. They had him worked up for about 2 hours before they let me come get him. That's what I am angry about.

The moment they hooked him up to get his baseline readings; they discovered he was having heart palpitations. They didn't know that, however and thought that those readings were his baseline readings. His readings started going down the moment I entered the room.

/ like I said; he was a big baby, who had anxiety problems, who also had a heart condition in later life
 
2014-08-08 02:46:22 PM

SisterMaryElephant: monoski: Wellon Dowd: At the vet, Bonny was literally scared to death, ...

That saves on having the vet put her down.

Mini-threadjack but why is it so easy to put an animal down but the prison system can't seem to put a prisoner down? I took my old border collie in, they ran an IV, injected something she was dead in seconds and it looked so peaceful.

Have you ever watched someone die from cancer?  We treat our pets better than humans at the end of their lives.  because JESUS loves you.

I have an advance plan to 'put myself down' should I find myself in that position.  No way am I putting my fammily through that again.


Yep.  Watched my mother die for nearly 7 years. It's tough when you're 11 at the beginning, and as your understanding of the whole situation deepens as you get older it becomes horrifying.  I wish we could somehow develop informed, humane, arranged and assisted end of life procedures.  But because we as a planet have pretty much shown ourselves that humans are not to be trusted and can be anything but humane, informed, and civil, that will never be able to happen.
 
2014-08-08 02:48:33 PM

monoski: Wellon Dowd: At the vet, Bonny was literally scared to death, ...

That saves on having the vet put her down.

Mini-threadjack but why is it so easy to put an animal down but the prison system can't seem to put a prisoner down? I took my old border collie in, they ran an IV, injected something she was dead in seconds and it looked so peaceful.


Well, you have trained medical professionals at the vets office conducting the entire thing whereas the AMA has an ethics rule about doctors being involved with executions as it tends to go against the do no harm mandate. So prisons have to rely of some state employee to read a chemistry book and try to figure what works and what doesn't.
 
2014-08-08 02:51:05 PM

spcMike: monoski: Wellon Dowd: At the vet, Bonny was literally scared to death, ...

That saves on having the vet put her down.

Mini-threadjack but why is it so easy to put an animal down but the prison system can't seem to put a prisoner down? I took my old border collie in, they ran an IV, injected something she was dead in seconds and it looked so peaceful.

Well, you have trained medical professionals at the vets office conducting the entire thing whereas the AMA has an ethics rule about doctors being involved with executions as it tends to go against the do no harm mandate. So prisons have to rely of some state employee to read a chemistry book and try to figure what works and what doesn't.


It's also that no company wants to be the one who makes drugs for executions.
 
2014-08-08 02:57:14 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: You're very angry at them for doing (in your telling of the story) nothing wrong.


I thought Mind Reading 101 was a requirement for being a vet?
 
2014-08-08 03:06:00 PM

Egoy3k: You know what would solve this issue? Single payer Chicken bartering.


/fix'd
 
2014-08-08 03:18:33 PM

bdub77: In summary, this guy had a cat and it died and it was expensive and healthcare is just like that except it's not.


What I took from the article, although it may not have been his actual point, is that for-profit healthcare is a crap system, Obamacare will ultimately prove to be a crap law because it further entrenched us in that crap system and that until we properly reform the system to single payer there'll always be the tension between the healthcare you need and the healthcare you can afford.

Also, a cat died.
 
2014-08-08 03:20:34 PM
Having a Cat is like being in an abusive relationship.
I know I have been in an abusive relationship and I now have a Cat.
The similarities are freaky.
 
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