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(Townhall)   Compromise, especially when dealing with an unbending ideologue and propagandist like Obama, is no virtue   (townhall.com) divider line 91
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2014-08-08 10:10:41 AM  
More strawmen than an Iowa hayride.
 
2014-08-08 10:19:39 AM  
Let's see... op-ed calling for reasonable bipartisan discourse, calling the President "lawless" and accusing the Democrats of grand conspiracy in collusion with a complicit media.

Yeah, tell you what. Come back to reality first, then we can talk turkey.

Or don't, whatever.
 
2014-08-08 10:22:50 AM  
I see it's GOP projection day on FARK... again.
 
2014-08-08 10:31:36 AM  
ah.  Freeper Friday is in full effect.
 
2014-08-08 11:11:33 AM  

vernonFL: More strawmen than an Iowa hayride.


Using the word compromiese to launch the usual page of drivel. How enthralling.

Can anybody reveal one thing the GOP has compromised with Obama over? There must be some stuff but I never hear about it. It would be nice to review those decisions and note just how badly they farked up.
 
2014-08-08 11:18:47 AM  

edmo: Can anybody reveal one thing the GOP has compromised with Obama over?


Boehner: When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

See? 98%, that means there was a full 2% of compromise.
 
2014-08-08 11:25:49 AM  
Clownhall. Keep those clicks comin, Drew needs a new pair of shoes!
 
2014-08-08 11:31:30 AM  
I'm still not entirely sure why "ideologue" is an insult to political-types. Aren't they all, no matter which side of the aisle they're on?

And is there really an aisle dividing the two parties? You'd figure you'll always windup with a disproportionate number of one over the other, depending on how the electorate swings. This either means there's a bunch of extra seats to make sure the Democrats are on one side and the Republicans are on the other, or there's an even side of seats on either side and the parties will just have to learn to sit with each other sometimes.

Is there assigned seating like in elementary school, or is it sort of a first-come, first-serve thing like in high school? Is there chocolate milk? Do they have pizza day?

These are questions I need to know before I start my congressional bid.
 
2014-08-08 11:42:34 AM  

GreenAdder: I'm still not entirely sure why "ideologue" is an insult to political-types. Aren't they all, no matter which side of the aisle they're on?


No, there is also "pragmatist" like Obama. He has lofty notions, but he has never said that he is inflexible to compromise, since he lives in the real world of governance.
 
2014-08-08 11:47:44 AM  
This is what GOP compromise looks like:

0.tqn.com
 
2014-08-08 12:32:28 PM  

edmo: vernonFL: More strawmen than an Iowa hayride.

Using the word compromiese to launch the usual page of drivel. How enthralling.

Can anybody reveal one thing the GOP has compromised with Obama over? There must be some stuff but I never hear about it. It would be nice to review those decisions and note just how badly they farked up.


I seem to remember Boehner coming to a 99% to 1% deal with Obama ... then complaining that he got nothing of what he wanted.
 
2014-08-08 12:36:08 PM  
They hear nothing but their own thoughts bouncing around their heads...

/see Vorbis
 
2014-08-08 12:54:09 PM  

baka-san: They hear nothing but their own thoughts bouncing around their heads...

/see Vorbis


A bouncing that creates a sound indistinguishable from that of a BB in a boxcar
 
2014-08-08 01:09:51 PM  

GreenAdder: I'm still not entirely sure why "ideologue" is an insult to political-types. Aren't they all, no matter which side of the aisle they're on?

And is there really an aisle dividing the two parties? You'd figure you'll always windup with a disproportionate number of one over the other, depending on how the electorate swings. This either means there's a bunch of extra seats to make sure the Democrats are on one side and the Republicans are on the other, or there's an even side of seats on either side and the parties will just have to learn to sit with each other sometimes.

Is there assigned seating like in elementary school, or is it sort of a first-come, first-serve thing like in high school? Is there chocolate milk? Do they have pizza day?

These are questions I need to know before I start my congressional bid.


This is from the House's Clerk's page:

Assigned seating for Members was abolished during the 63rd Congress, in 1913. Today, Members may sit where they please. Generally, Democrats occupy the east side of the Chamber to the right of the Speaker of the House, and Republicans sit across the aisle on the Speaker's left. The tables on either side of the aisle are reserved for party leaders and for Committee leaders during debate on bills their Committees bring to the House Floor.

And this from the Senate:

The original 48 desks made by Thomas Constantine in 1819 were constructed in such a way as to form three concentric semicircles on the Senate floor. Each desk was custom made for a particular location within the Chamber. Today the desks are no longer arranged in their original order, instead they move from place to place to suit the needs of the Senate.
At the start of each Congress, the desks are reapportioned between the two sides of the Chamber based on the number of Democrats and Republicans. After that, senators have the opportunity to relocate. Historically the Senate Chamber desks were assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. When a seat became available, the first senator to speak for it won the right to it. Today, at the beginning of each Congress, senators are given the option to change their seats, based on seniority. There are typically two reasons a senator might want to change desks: to gain a better location within the Chamber, or to occupy a desk previously used by a particular senator.
The only desks that are not assigned in the traditional manner are the Daniel Webster Desk, which is always occupied by the senior senator from New Hampshire; the Jefferson Davis Desk, which is used by the senior senator from Mississippi; and the Henry Clay Desk, which is given to the senior senator from Kentucky. The assignment of these desks is governed by a series of Senate resolutions.


Interesting, I guess.
 
2014-08-08 01:11:59 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: GreenAdder: I'm still not entirely sure why "ideologue" is an insult to political-types. Aren't they all, no matter which side of the aisle they're on?

And is there really an aisle dividing the two parties? You'd figure you'll always windup with a disproportionate number of one over the other, depending on how the electorate swings. This either means there's a bunch of extra seats to make sure the Democrats are on one side and the Republicans are on the other, or there's an even side of seats on either side and the parties will just have to learn to sit with each other sometimes.

Is there assigned seating like in elementary school, or is it sort of a first-come, first-serve thing like in high school? Is there chocolate milk? Do they have pizza day?

These are questions I need to know before I start my congressional bid.

This is from the House's Clerk's page:

Assigned seating for Members was abolished during the 63rd Congress, in 1913. Today, Members may sit where they please. Generally, Democrats occupy the east side of the Chamber to the right of the Speaker of the House, and Republicans sit across the aisle on the Speaker's left. The tables on either side of the aisle are reserved for party leaders and for Committee leaders during debate on bills their Committees bring to the House Floor.

And this from the Senate:

The original 48 desks made by Thomas Constantine in 1819 were constructed in such a way as to form three concentric semicircles on the Senate floor. Each desk was custom made for a particular location within the Chamber. Today the desks are no longer arranged in their original order, instead they move from place to place to suit the needs of the Senate.
At the start of each Congress, the desks are reapportioned between the two sides of the Chamber based on the number of Democrats and Republicans. After that, senators have the opportunity to relocate. Historically the Senate Chamber desks were assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. When a se ...


Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.
 
2014-08-08 01:22:44 PM  
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-08-08 01:24:33 PM  
Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.
 
2014-08-08 01:26:17 PM  
www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2014-08-08 01:26:53 PM  
Finally a true headline.
 
2014-08-08 01:26:57 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.


Moochele outlawed chocomilk and pizza, amiright?
 
2014-08-08 01:29:03 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.


Bean feed.

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-08 01:30:09 PM  
Keep government out of my bean feed
 
2014-08-08 01:30:20 PM  
So to quote the article: "hurpy hurp hurp, derp durp."

Look, when you GOPtards and teahadists come up with anything, literally, anything worthwhile. One. Single. Thing. Come talk to us.

Note: slaughtering thousands of Guatemalan children doesn't count. Anything Jesus related doesn't count. And another 40 or so failed votes to repeal Obamacare don't count.

Trust me, if the rest of us knew where the One ring was, we would toss it in a farking volcano and destroy you.
 
2014-08-08 01:35:51 PM  
Modmins stop greening this crap. It's not news, it's not Fark, it's poorly written propaganda disguised as an op-ed.

Yes I clicked but it seems to be the only way you'll hear.
 
2014-08-08 01:37:00 PM  
keithwilsoncounseling.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-08 01:38:09 PM  

bdub77: This is what GOP compromise looks like:

[0.tqn.com image 500x400]


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-08 01:39:04 PM  
THERE ARE NO IDEOLOGUES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.  ABSOLUTELY NONE.

/and when i say none, i mean there is a certain amount
 
2014-08-08 01:41:54 PM  

baka-san: They hear nothing but their own thoughts bouncing around their heads...

/see Vorbis


Yep that's pretty accurate.

/Where's Brutha when you need him?
 
2014-08-08 01:43:13 PM  

Karac: edmo: vernonFL: More strawmen than an Iowa hayride.

Using the word compromiese to launch the usual page of drivel. How enthralling.

Can anybody reveal one thing the GOP has compromised with Obama over? There must be some stuff but I never hear about it. It would be nice to review those decisions and note just how badly they farked up.

I seem to remember Boehner coming to a 99% to 1% deal with Obama ... then complaining that he got nothing of what he wanted.


Well once the 99% of what they originally wanted was signed off by Obama, they were 100% against it because Obama signed off on it. And thus everything that was implemented was Obama's fault, him being the maniac dictator that he is.

/I am guessing with the bombing restarting in Iraq he isn't an empty suit today
 
2014-08-08 01:43:28 PM  

partisan222: Modmins stop greening this crap. It's not news, it's not Fark, it's poorly written propaganda disguised as an op-ed.

Yes I clicked but it seems to be the only way you'll hear.


It's ok they promised to stop these type of links after the election... That was the 2004 elections.
 
2014-08-08 01:49:29 PM  
So more "why won't the tyrannical partisan president compromise," combined with the not at all dissonant, "we can't afford to compromise with the tyrannical partisan president."

/ I'd expect their heads to spontaneously combust from that cognitive dissonance.  Although I've begun to suspect that the gray matter that resides in their brains is both inert and not large enough to provide the desired effect.
 
2014-08-08 01:49:59 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Keep government out of my bean feed


is BEEN FEED the part of reaganbook where all your friends' latest posts show up
 
2014-08-08 01:51:01 PM  
underthemountainbunker.files.wordpress.com

Uh huh. Who remembers the Tea Party Downgrade that followed this?
 
2014-08-08 01:56:15 PM  
TH;DR.
 
2014-08-08 02:00:55 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: the Jefferson Davis Desk, which is used by the senior senator from Mississippi


Does the junior senator get the Nathan Bedford Forrest robes and cross lighting torch?
 
2014-08-08 02:06:09 PM  
Projection is a stinky cologne.
 
2014-08-08 02:10:15 PM  
"It's time to revisit the widely disseminated myth that compromise in politics and governance is the highest virtue."

No, accomplishing useful stuff in a timely and cost-effective manner is the highest virtue in politics. In order to do that, sometimes you have to compromise. You argue, negotiate, give up a little, pretend to walk away from the table, come back, and thrash something out that achieves at least some of your goals. If you insist on all or nothing, you get nothing. Why can't these people understand this?
 
2014-08-08 02:13:25 PM  

ManateeGag: ah.  Freeper Friday is in full effect.


It must be a day ending in 'y.'
 
2014-08-08 02:14:09 PM  

meat0918: Projection is a stinky cologne.


www.geekalerts.com
 
2014-08-08 02:17:35 PM  

thamike: meat0918: Projection is a stinky cologne.

[www.geekalerts.com image 400x482]


I was thinking more

cdn.hark.com
 
2014-08-08 02:19:24 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: GreenAdder: I'm still not entirely sure why "ideologue" is an insult to political-types. Aren't they all, no matter which side of the aisle they're on?

And is there really an aisle dividing the two parties? You'd figure you'll always windup with a disproportionate number of one over the other, depending on how the electorate swings. This either means there's a bunch of extra seats to make sure the Democrats are on one side and the Republicans are on the other, or there's an even side of seats on either side and the parties will just have to learn to sit with each other sometimes.

Is there assigned seating like in elementary school, or is it sort of a first-come, first-serve thing like in high school? Is there chocolate milk? Do they have pizza day?

These are questions I need to know before I start my congressional bid.

This is from the House's Clerk's page:

Assigned seating for Members was abolished during the 63rd Congress, in 1913. Today, Members may sit where they please. Generally, Democrats occupy the east side of the Chamber to the right of the Speaker of the House, and Republicans sit across the aisle on the Speaker's left. The tables on either side of the aisle are reserved for party leaders and for Committee leaders during debate on bills their Committees bring to the House Floor.

And this from the Senate:

The original 48 desks made by Thomas Constantine in 1819 were constructed in such a way as to form three concentric semicircles on the Senate floor. Each desk was custom made for a particular location within the Chamber. Today the desks are no longer arranged in their original order, instead they move from place to place to suit the needs of the Senate.
At the start of each Congress, the desks are reapportioned between the two sides of the Chamber based on the number of Democrats and Republicans. After that, senators have the opportunity to relocate. Historically the Senate Chamber desks were assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. When a se ...


Useless trivia time.  Ted Kennedy kept his seat in the back for his whole career. It was the closest one to the cloak room, where drinking and smoking we permitted.
 
2014-08-08 02:24:24 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.

Bean feed.

[img.fark.net image 720x960]


Who the hell thinks a "great meal" is beans and cornbread?
 
2014-08-08 02:24:28 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Finally a true headline.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-08 02:25:09 PM  
Don't call me "Shirley," Townhall.
 
2014-08-08 02:25:39 PM  
FTA: "Obama casts Ronald Reagan conservatives as extremists, ridicules and taunts them, and then demands they work with him -- to achieve his ends, not theirs."

Yeah, lets just throw Reagan's name into it, because everybody in the current GOP would totes vote for Reagan as VP in a heartbeat, that is of course right after they elected Cruz as Emperor.

It's like Obama is spitting on Reagan's grave.
 
2014-08-08 02:28:12 PM  

GoodyearPimp: JusticeandIndependence: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.

Bean feed.

[img.fark.net image 720x960]

Who the hell thinks a "great meal" is beans and cornbread?


i.ytimg.com
 
2014-08-08 02:29:51 PM  
On a more serious note, FTFA-  How do you compromise with someone who doesn't even share your goals and who has no intention of compromising with you, even if he pretends otherwise?

I thought that was exactly why people had to come to compromise.  Since Clausewitz once pointed out that war is an extension of politics taken to violent extremes, it's a good example. When you think about it, most wars end on a sort of compromise.  Nation A wants something from Nation B that Nation B refuses to give them.  So Nation A starts killing people in Nation B.  Often as not, both sides eventually get tired of shooting each other or poking each other with sharp objects so they make a deal.  Whoever has the upper hand agrees to stop killing people in exchange for something, be it land, money, or whatever.

That is a compromise.  Nation A may not get all the land or treasure it had originally wanted, and may even have gotten it's collective asses kicked.  But in the end, both side agree to make a deal.

Now, for the second part of that statement-   who has no intention of compromising with you

If one party is arguing from a position of sufficient power, they may not feel any need to compromise, since they can simply impose their will.  Period.  Think about the end of WWII, the Potsdam Declaration was pretty clear.  No compromise, give up completely and be subjugated to our terms, or we will just keep killing your people until you are all dead.  If one side wields sufficient political power, they can basically tell minority parties to fark off.  Compromise is something that is usually forced on both parties to get SOMETHING done, however imperfect.
 
2014-08-08 02:29:55 PM  

Corvus: partisan222: Modmins stop greening this crap. It's not news, it's not Fark, it's poorly written propaganda disguised as an op-ed.

Yes I clicked but it seems to be the only way you'll hear.

It's ok they promised to stop these type of links after the election... That was the 2004 elections.


And this is why Drew doesn't see my money anymore. Screw the lazy sheister
 
2014-08-08 02:31:55 PM  

GoodyearPimp: JusticeandIndependence: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.

Bean feed.

[img.fark.net image 720x960]

Who the hell thinks a "great meal" is beans and cornbread?


The same people who want to know more about the Klu Klux Klan.
 
2014-08-08 02:34:21 PM  

GoodyearPimp: JusticeandIndependence: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Neat. What about chocolate milk and/or pizza day? It seems they'd all be less grumpy if they had those things. But maybe they do have those things and they're grumpy anyway.

No, just Bean Soup.

Bean feed.

[img.fark.net image 720x960]

Who the hell thinks a "great meal" is beans and cornbread?


The same people who have a governor speak at an event (in 2014) where you can learn about the KKK I suppose.
 
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