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2014-08-10 07:58:56 AM  
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2014-08-10 08:08:44 AM  
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2014-08-10 08:13:33 AM  
So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?
 
2014-08-10 08:29:13 AM  

Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?


Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.
 
2014-08-10 08:38:50 AM  

INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.


And he makes lots of money
 
2014-08-10 08:40:10 AM  

INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.


Yeah, that part kinda got lost in the mix, but the early reports were that witnesses said she was beating up on him out on the casino floor, which is what started the whole altercation, then he clocked her in the elevator. No excuse for what he did, since surely there had to be another way to defuse the situation, but...
 
2014-08-10 08:44:57 AM  
Never ride any elevator which has an abusive psycho inside.
 
2014-08-10 09:10:18 AM  
I'm guessing a lot of people need to listen to Bill Cosby's "Why beat your wife?" routine. Vegas brings out the worst in people. Folks who think this sort of thing makes Rice as a serial wife beater has never lost money in the four digits at the blackjack table. Unfortunate? Sure. Habitual? Fark no. Let's let this play out for a year and see what develops instead of running around like Nancy Grace mini-mes and denounce the system.
 
2014-08-10 09:24:39 AM  

INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.


Ya. A black chick that's pissed.
I'm surprised he wasn't the one being dragged along the floor.
 
2014-08-10 09:29:51 AM  

Sirsky: INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.

Yeah, that part kinda got lost in the mix, but the early reports were that witnesses said she was beating up on him out on the casino floor, which is what started the whole altercation, then he clocked her in the elevator. No excuse for what he did, since surely there had to be another way to defuse the situation, but...


Like dont' get in an elevator with someone who has been beating up on you. Or if you do, just continue to take it like you were when you though people were watching you.
 
2014-08-10 09:50:11 AM  
NFL is going down the drain.  Murderers, gun violence, drugs, wife beaters, gay ends, nickname racism, QB protectionism, the war on the commissioner,  and finally no more head shots and lead with your shoulder.  I would rather watch the news.
 
2014-08-10 10:07:49 AM  

Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again?


Because that is what happens very often in domestic violence cases.

Cymbal: She really thinks this won't happen again?


That's is up to her, if she can keep herself from hitting him first.
 
2014-08-10 10:10:24 AM  

SamWaters: NFL is going down the drain.  Murderers, gun violence, drugs, wife beaters, gay ends, nickname racism, QB protectionism, the war on the commissioner,  and finally no more head shots and lead with your shoulder.  I would rather watch the news.


pfft.  The NFL has been for pussys ever since they banned decapitation.

www.cmgww.com

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d81118473/Top-1 0- Most-Feared-Tacklers-Dick-Night-Train-Lane
 
2014-08-10 10:59:45 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Sirsky: INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.

Yeah, that part kinda got lost in the mix, but the early reports were that witnesses said she was beating up on him out on the casino floor, which is what started the whole altercation, then he clocked her in the elevator. No excuse for what he did, since surely there had to be another way to defuse the situation, but...

Like dont' get in an elevator with someone who has been beating up on you. Or if you do, just continue to take it like you were when you though people were watching you.


Jay-Z seemed to handle the situation as best you can.
 
2014-08-10 11:24:56 AM  

SamWaters: NFL is going down the drain.  Murderers, gun violence, drugs, wife beaters, gay ends, nickname racism, QB protectionism, the war on the commissioner,  and finally no more head shots and lead with your shoulder.  I would rather watch the news.


Really?
 
2014-08-10 11:43:10 AM  

SamWaters: NFL is going down the drain.  Murderers, gun violence, drugs, wife beaters, gay ends, nickname racism, QB protectionism, the war on the commissioner,  and finally no more head shots and lead with your shoulder.  I would rather watch the news.


Stop trying to weasel out, Sam. You're still making the hummus dip for the Fantasy Football draft.
 
2014-08-10 12:27:19 PM  
This thread again? Fantastic. Last time I learned that women are allowed to beat on men as much as they want, but men can't touch women ever. It's called equality for the sexes. I also learned that criticizing someone for picking a fight is the same as condoning domestic abuse and apologizing for rape.

I wonder what I'll learn this time around?
 
2014-08-10 02:10:58 PM  

INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.


The video didn't show much since it was a shiatty elevator cam so your point is moot.

Besides here's all you need to know, two people got on the elevator and one got dragged out, at worst she would be misdemeanor and he would be felonious assault.

Ray Rice is a scumbag that needs to be gone for a year and the NFL doesn't give a shiat about women no matter how much pink they wear.
 
2014-08-10 02:15:51 PM  

Likwit: This thread again? Fantastic. Last time I learned that women are allowed to beat on men as much as they want, but men can't touch women ever. It's called equality for the sexes. I also learned that criticizing someone for picking a fight is the same as condoning domestic abuse and apologizing for rape.

I wonder what I'll learn this time around?


Again name one woman who could cause damage to a man of his stature or to most men, last time people named Rhonda Rousey but even she would barely stun most men.
 
2014-08-10 05:40:14 PM  

Likwit: This thread again? Fantastic. Last time I learned that women are allowed to beat on men as much as they want, but men can't touch women ever. It's called equality for the sexes. I also learned that criticizing someone for picking a fight is the same as condoning domestic abuse and apologizing for rape.

I wonder what I'll learn this time around?


Don't hit women. Pretty easy to learn.
 
2014-08-10 06:13:16 PM  

steamingpile: INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.

The video didn't show much since it was a shiatty elevator cam so your point is moot.

Besides here's all you need to know, two people got on the elevator and one got dragged out, at worst she would be misdemeanor and he would be felonious assault.

Ray Rice is a scumbag that needs to be gone for a year and the NFL doesn't give a shiat about women no matter how much pink they wear.


Why do they have to care about women? You're really drinking the koolaid.
 
2014-08-10 07:29:17 PM  

Wadded Beef: Don't hit women anyone. Pretty easy to learn.


I don't understand why you think it's okay for women to hit men either.  How about both sides keep their hands to themselves?
 
2014-08-10 07:38:37 PM  

degenerate-afro: Wadded Beef: Don't hit women anyone. Pretty easy to learn.

I don't understand why you think it's okay for women to hit men either.  How about both sides keep their hands to themselves?


I don't understand why you think it's okay that women sometimes deserve to be hit. See, I can play your game too.

Women hitting men: Don't do it. But if that's a possibility then men need to get out of that relationship.
Men hitting women: Go the f--k to jail.
 
2014-08-10 08:39:04 PM  

Wadded Beef: degenerate-afro: Wadded Beef: Don't hit women anyone. Pretty easy to learn.

I don't understand why you think it's okay for women to hit men either.  How about both sides keep their hands to themselves?

I don't understand why you think it's okay that women sometimes deserve to be hit. See, I can play your game too.


You need to stop singling out women as the only group of people that shouldn't be hit.  You are also advocating no punishment for women who hit men, but jail time for men who retaliate.  Fark that, both sides need to keep themselves in order.  Your method of "only men should be punished" would only make things worse.
 
2014-08-10 09:32:14 PM  

degenerate-afro: Wadded Beef: degenerate-afro: Wadded Beef: 

You need to stop singling out women as the only group of people that shouldn't be hit.


It goes without saying that people shouldn't hit each other.

You are also advocating no punishment for women who hit men, but jail time for men who retaliate.

I never said no punishment for violent women, but it's silly to ascribe equality of the sexes when it comes to the physical. Particularly an NFL player.  And when men hit women it is 100x more damaging than the other way around.  As men it is incumbent on our gender to keep those impulses in check.

Fark that, both sides need to keep themselves in order.

Again, it goes without saying.

Your method of "only men should be punished" would only make things worse.

I never said that. What makes things  worse is throwing into the debate the implication, "well, she was hitting him so he's justified in clocking her" rather than "he needs to walk away from that situation" as the former seemingly justifies some horrific actions.  And I'm going to assume that you're a decent guy and I think you'd agree that the walk-away is the best course of action. Certainly Ray Rice believes that now. Especially since her damage to him, per Steamingpile's point above, would be nearly negligible.
 
2014-08-10 11:40:14 PM  

Likwit: steamingpile: INeedAName: Cymbal: So why isn't she pressing charges again? She really thinks this won't happen again?

Because I'm wagering she hit him enough that she'd be up for assault. There's a lot of tape we never saw.


Not condining what happened, but I'm thinking they're both culpable.

The video didn't show much since it was a shiatty elevator cam so your point is moot.

Besides here's all you need to know, two people got on the elevator and one got dragged out, at worst she would be misdemeanor and he would be felonious assault.

Ray Rice is a scumbag that needs to be gone for a year and the NFL doesn't give a shiat about women no matter how much pink they wear.

Why do they have to care about women? You're really drinking the koolaid.


Then they should quit pretending to care to draw in women viewers.
 
2014-08-11 12:46:14 AM  

degenerate-afro: Wadded Beef: Don't hit women anyone. Pretty easy to learn.

I don't understand why you think it's okay for women to hit men either.  How about both sides keep their hands to themselves?


It's because Wadded Beef and steamingpile are sexists. And they thinks it's ok because it's benevolent sexism.

Women are delicate flowers who need protection from men. It's up to men as the bigger, smarter, and more level-headed of the sexes to protect our pretty little charges.
 
2014-08-11 12:56:05 AM  

steamingpile: Likwit: This thread again? Fantastic. Last time I learned that women are allowed to beat on men as much as they want, but men can't touch women ever. It's called equality for the sexes. I also learned that criticizing someone for picking a fight is the same as condoning domestic abuse and apologizing for rape.

I wonder what I'll learn this time around?

Again name one woman who could cause damage to a man of his stature or to most men, last time people named Rhonda Rousey but even she would barely stun most men.


Any woman really. Apparently you've never been hit in the balls or the eye or the nose or the ear or the throat or been scratched pretty much anywhere on the face. That shiat hurts no matter how small the person attacking you is.
 
2014-08-11 02:52:13 AM  

steamingpile: Likwit: This thread again? Fantastic. Last time I learned that women are allowed to beat on men as much as they want, but men can't touch women ever. It's called equality for the sexes. I also learned that criticizing someone for picking a fight is the same as condoning domestic abuse and apologizing for rape.

I wonder what I'll learn this time around?

Again name one woman who could cause damage to a man of his stature or to most men, last time people named Rhonda Rousey but even she would barely stun most men.


That sort of take is really irrelevant and I don't understand why people insist on using it.  People shouldn't hit people - period.  Saying that she shouldn't hit him in no way absolves him of hitting her, and vice versa.  Get it?  Whether you're male or female doesn't matter one iota - don't hit people.  That's the way our laws are written, and that's how it should be.
 
2014-08-11 03:02:53 AM  

Wadded Beef: I never said no punishment for violent women, but it's silly to ascribe equality of the sexes when it comes to the physical. Particularly an NFL player. And when men hit women it is 100x more damaging than the other way around. As men it is incumbent on our gender to keep those impulses in check.


This is so incredibly sexist it's hard to know where to start.

Oh wait, I do know where to start:  domestic violence is always inappropriate - always.  Regardless of sex and gender, or who is assaulting who.  There is no law on the books that says, "If you're a woman hitting a man, it is incumbent on the man to walk away because you're probably bigger and stronger."  What the laws on the books do say is that assault is against the law, and as far as I know those laws don't address gender.

Educate yourself on the meanings of assault, domestic violence, and perhaps most importantly, "self defense", which for your information does not necessarily equate to "hitting back".  And drop the sexism, it just makes you look bad.

For the record, I think Rice should have been banned from the NFL for the year, in addition to whatever prison sentence he so richly deserves.  He knocked her out and committed the greater crime.  But all accounts point to the fact that she committed a crime too, and we don't need to gloss over that in the interest of misguided chivalry.  Frankly, these are two people who should be seeking therapy, assuming they should even be together in the first place, and I hope for their sakes that they do.
 
2014-08-11 09:22:58 AM  

Likwit: degenerate-afro: Wadded Beef: Don't hit women anyone. Pretty easy to learn.

I don't understand why you think it's okay for women to hit men either.  How about both sides keep their hands to themselves?

It's because Wadded Beef and steamingpile are sexists. And they thinks it's ok because it's benevolent sexism.

Women are delicate flowers who need protection from men. It's up to men as the bigger, smarter, and more level-headed of the sexes to protect our pretty little charges.


Wow, that's weapons-grade stupid. Women are just not as physically as strong as 99.9% of the men and if you think men not hitting women "is for their own protection" then you need to rethink who is sexist.  Quoting your own words, "why does (the NFL) have to care about women?"  Why does caring about women make you mad?  Do you really think that if a woman lashes out she's deserving of physical violence from a man? Wouldn't it be better for a man to show restraint and get out of that relationship?

Rice is a scumbag who needs to be suspended indefinitely.
 
2014-08-11 09:32:59 AM  
Stiff-arm those d-backs
 
2014-08-11 09:46:01 AM  

karmachameleon: Wadded Beef: I never said no punishment for violent women, but it's silly to ascribe equality of the sexes when it comes to the physical. Particularly an NFL player. And when men hit women it is 100x more damaging than the other way around. As men it is incumbent on our gender to keep those impulses in check.

This is so incredibly sexist it's hard to know where to start.

Oh wait, I do know where to start:  domestic violence is always inappropriate - always.  Regardless of sex and gender, or who is assaulting who.  There is no law on the books that says, "If you're a woman hitting a man, it is incumbent on the man to walk away because you're probably bigger and stronger."  What the laws on the books do say is that assault is against the law, and as far as I know those laws don't address gender.


I agree on all counts.  But we're talking about common sense that most men are physically stronger and can cause so much more damage than women hitting men.  Domestic violence is always inappropriate - always.   I'm not saying it doesn't suck for men in these events, and I'm certainly not portraying the woman in these instances as blameless, but Rice shows us all all what happens when men act on the impulse to hit.


Educate yourself on the meanings of assault, domestic violence, and perhaps most importantly, "self defense", which for your information does not necessarily equate to "hitting back".  And drop the sexism, it just makes you look bad.

Yeah, get off your high horse. My advocation for showing restraint, getting out of a relationship where she has abusive tendencies AND without hitting her makes me look bad? Sexist? Really? 

For the record, I think Rice should have been banned from the NFL for the year, in addition to whatever prison sentence he so richly deserves.  He knocked her out and committed the greater crime.

Which is my point all along. That women shouldn't hit men either goes without saying. But in cases where men hit women it's often horrific and the greater crime. Rice showed us this example.

But all accounts point to the fact that she committed a crime too, and we don't need to gloss over that in the interest of misguided chivalry.  Frankly, these are two people who should be seeking therapy, assuming they should even be together in the first place, and I hope for their sakes that they do.

Seems we took the long way, but we came to an agreement.
 
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