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(BBC-US)   After getting crushed 6-1 in the previous round, Celtic are through to the next round of the Champions League thanks to a technicality   (bbc.com) divider line 36
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2014-08-08 08:13:58 AM  
How do you say "Are you not sports entertained?" in Gaelic?
 
2014-08-08 09:37:44 AM  
They are some lucky bastards.
 
2014-08-08 09:52:33 AM  
Hey, NK Maribor, enjoy your free trip to the group stage!
 
2014-08-08 10:00:52 AM  
Two greatest words in the Celtic language:
de
fault
 
2014-08-08 10:16:40 AM  
Bizarrely, not the first time Celtic have progressed this way.

But frankly, this one is absurd. It didn't remotely affect the outcome. Celtic could have played until Sunday without scoring.
 
2014-08-08 10:17:02 AM  
Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.
 
2014-08-08 10:20:51 AM  

Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.


It's weirder that that... The Polish side DIDN'T play the suspended player for three games. But they didn't register him for two of them. So it's not that they didn't play him, it's more that they didn't make him eligible to not be played, or something.
 
2014-08-08 10:23:25 AM  

Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.


It is when the suspended player's suspension should have been up, but a paperwork hitch meant that games he sat out for the suspension didn't count against the suspension.
 
2014-08-08 10:27:32 AM  

Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.


It can be a technicality if they only bring him in injury time to kill some clock while leading 6-1, don't you think? In fact, UEFA have settled for a fine and no forfeit in very similar circumstances before, so there's precedent.


To compound the inequity: if their opponents had scored one more goal when they thrashed Celtic in the first leg, they would still have gone through, because the punishment for a forfeit is an arbitrary 3-0 win.
 
2014-08-08 10:44:08 AM  
If you're playing for money, make sure your paperwork is correct.  This applies from bar leagues on up.
 
2014-08-08 10:45:36 AM  
Even though I'm subby, I maybe should have posted the Guardian article on it (link)

The full-back only came on in the 86th minute of Legia's 2-0 win at Murrayfield, when the game was well and truly over.

He came on for 5 min when the tie was 6-1. Looking beyond just the chance that Legia could have made the CL group stage, getting to the Playoff entitled them to about a 2mil euro payout.

But here I am taking Legia's side when my team was beaten knocked out at the same stage. I would love for an administration error to have happened against Malmo
 
2014-08-08 10:46:48 AM  

czetie: : if their opponents had scored one more goal when they thrashed Celtic in the first leg, they would still have gone through


If I remember right, Legia missed one or two penalties in the first match.
 
2014-08-08 10:58:58 AM  

Cajnik: czetie: : if their opponents had scored one more goal when they thrashed Celtic in the first leg, they would still have gone through

If I remember right, Legia missed one or two penalties in the first match.


Article I read said it was 2 penalties missed.

It's a stupid, stupid mistake by Legia. The suspended player shouldn't have even been in the country let alone on the bench. You've got to know the situation with suspension and cards going into a match, especially when you've already have a lock on the matchup going into the 2nd leg.
 
2014-08-08 11:02:19 AM  
So, just a few months after the Sunderland "ineligible" debacle, this happens. You'd think the amount of money involved would be enough to quintuple-check that all the players on the team sheet are eligible.
 
2014-08-08 11:08:06 AM  
Get pulled over without a license, registration, and insurance and tell the cop how unimportant paperwork is.

Put in the wrong numbers on your taxes for years and be sure to mention to the IRS how unimportant you find paperwork, and be sure to mention that it's no biggie - after all, stuff like that is only the entirety of their jobs.
 
2014-08-08 11:33:00 AM  

IAmRight: Get pulled over without a license, registration, and insurance and tell the cop how unimportant paperwork is.


If you're a good ol' boy you might get out of it. Not sure you can even find a Legia jersey for sale outside of Poland, but Celtic is doing tours of the US and Asia and you can find their shirt in every Nike store around the world.

Funny how Barca's administration error on ineligible transfers was lifted pending appeal when everyone knew they desperately needed a new keeper. FFP only applies to Serbian teams and not the glaringly obvious violators
 
2014-08-08 11:39:01 AM  

Cajnik: Even though I'm subby, I maybe should have posted the Guardian article on it (link)

The full-back only came on in the 86th minute of Legia's 2-0 win at Murrayfield, when the game was well and truly over.

He came on for 5 min when the tie was 6-1. Looking beyond just the chance that Legia could have made the CL group stage, getting to the Playoff entitled them to about a 2mil euro payout.

But here I am taking Legia's side when my team was beaten knocked out at the same stage. I would love for an administration error to have happened against Malmo


The rules are the rules.  He was ineligible, thus they must accept the 3-0 walkover, which puts Celtic through.  Good deceision by UEFA.
 
2014-08-08 11:41:29 AM  
Koman Coulibaly

Very funny.
 
2014-08-08 11:44:34 AM  

desertgeek: Cajnik: czetie: : if their opponents had scored one more goal when they thrashed Celtic in the first leg, they would still have gone through

If I remember right, Legia missed one or two penalties in the first match.

Article I read said it was 2 penalties missed.

It's a stupid, stupid mistake by Legia. The suspended player shouldn't have even been in the country let alone on the bench. You've got to know the situation with suspension and cards going into a match, especially when you've already have a lock on the matchup going into the 2nd leg.


but they already didn't play him for the 3 games. the technicality is that though they didn't play him in the first two games they failed to indicate he was on the suspended list for those 2 games so they didn't count towards the suspension somehow. also, he only played 5 minutes when the aggregate was 6-1. this is just silly. oh soccer...
 
2014-08-08 11:49:31 AM  
Fine the team or something, but don't push the vastly inferior team forward due to a glitch.
 
2014-08-08 11:50:00 AM  
Asinine? This is how College Football names its champion.
 
2014-08-08 11:55:40 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Fine the team or something, but don't push the vastly inferior team forward due to a glitch.


A fine is exactly how it's been handled in the past when the error clearly didn't affect the outcome of the match. It's hard to see this as anything but a favor to the bigger-name club.
 
2014-08-08 12:11:03 PM  

A Fark Handle: but they already didn't play him for the 3 games. the technicality is that though they didn't play him in the first two games they failed to indicate he was on the suspended list for those 2 games so they didn't count towards the suspension somehow. also, he only played 5 minutes when the aggregate was 6-1. this is just silly. oh soccer...


Again, you've got to know the situation. You know he's going to be marked as suspended so put him on the list for those 2 games.

Legia is going to appeal and I hope they win that appeal, in part because they blew Celtic out and in part because that's a really harsh penalty for what is ultimately a minor clerical error. But I don't see that happening.
 
2014-08-08 12:14:31 PM  
We call this the Oscar Pistorious method. Lose two legs and still win.

/Alright, alright, I'm leaving, geez, no need to be so rough.
 
2014-08-08 12:24:24 PM  

TonnageVT: We call this the Oscar Pistorious method. Lose two legs and still win.

/Alright, alright, I'm leaving, geez, no need to be so rough.


I hate giving a Man Utd fan a complement but that was funny.
 
2014-08-08 12:30:17 PM  

desertgeek: A Fark Handle: but they already didn't play him for the 3 games. the technicality is that though they didn't play him in the first two games they failed to indicate he was on the suspended list for those 2 games so they didn't count towards the suspension somehow. also, he only played 5 minutes when the aggregate was 6-1. this is just silly. oh soccer...

Again, you've got to know the situation. You know he's going to be marked as suspended so put him on the list for those 2 games.

Legia is going to appeal and I hope they win that appeal, in part because they blew Celtic out and in part because that's a really harsh penalty for what is ultimately a minor clerical error. But I don't see that happening.


yep. celtic is a global brand and those other guys some unknown polish squad.  they are soooo farked.
 
2014-08-08 12:35:17 PM  
Who else has gotten lucky with the "ineligible player" technicality before? Apparently Celtic have done so before.
 
2014-08-08 04:06:20 PM  
Yeah this kind of smells of Celtic are going through becuase they're a big name.  Seems it should have been just a fine considering the circumstances.
 
2014-08-08 04:50:34 PM  

Kurohone: Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.

It's weirder that that... The Polish side DIDN'T play the suspended player for three games. But they didn't register him for two of them. So it's not that they didn't play him, it's more that they didn't make him eligible to not be played, or something.


...and, didn't he play from the 85th minute on, or something like that, when game was in no doubt?

/and who loses to Legia Warsaw?
 
2014-08-08 05:20:12 PM  
Corruption? In MY big money soccer tournament?

It's more likely than you think
 
2014-08-08 05:25:39 PM  

northguineahills: Kurohone: Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.

It's weirder that that... The Polish side DIDN'T play the suspended player for three games. But they didn't register him for two of them. So it's not that they didn't play him, it's more that they didn't make him eligible to not be played, or something.

...and, didn't he play from the 85th minute on, or something like that, when game was in no doubt?

/and who loses to Legia Warsaw?


Legia played decently. But we are utter shiate right now. The board has been selling off our best players for years and failing to invest anywhere near what they havbe earned in transfer fees into buying new players. Neil Lennon quit as manager because he couldn't deal with the expectations of rebuilding the team every year with minimal resources. That and because the board refused to renew Georgios Samaras' contract even though he loves Celtic and wanted to stay and Lennon wanted to keep him as well.

So now we have a new and untested manager who has promised to develop youth and to play the sort of attacking football we like but hasn't delivered, a greedy board hoovering up every pound they can get their grubby hands on while keeping the biscuit tin for expenditures tightly shut and a team who have been playing the most lifeless, anaemic excuse for football that I have ever seen at Celtic.

Never mind Maribor, at this point we'll need another massive stroke of luck to get past the newly revived and quite superb Aberdeen in the SPFL this year.

I still love Celtic and always will. But I, and many other fans, are not pleased that it has come to this. And we want our Samaras back.
 
2014-08-08 05:36:20 PM  

Duane Dibbley: Legia played decently. But we are utter shiate right now. The board has been selling off our best players for years and failing to invest anywhere near what they havbe earned in transfer fees into buying new players. Neil Lennon quit as manager because he couldn't deal with the expectations of rebuilding the team every year with minimal resources. That and because the board refused to renew Georgios Samaras' contract even though he loves Celtic and wanted to stay and Lennon wanted to keep him as well.

So now we have a new and untested manager who has promised to develop youth and to play the sort of attacking football we like but hasn't delivered, a greedy board hoovering up every pound they can get their grubby hands on while keeping the biscuit tin for expenditures tightly shut and a team who have been playing the most lifeless, anaemic excuse for football that I have ever seen at Celtic.

Never mind Maribor, at this point we'll need another massive stroke of luck to get past the newly revived and quite superb Aberdeen in the SPFL this year.

I still love Celtic and always will. But I, and many other fans, are not pleased that it has come to this. And we want our Samaras back.


From afar, I'd say part of the problem is the lack of motivation to improve. Celtic is so far above every other Scottish club that they can get away with that approach without fearing that they'll be knocked off their throne. They won the league by 29 points last season and scored 4 goals for every 1 they surrendered. No one's close enough to them to make them worry and they clearly don't consider European competition to be that big of a deal.

I can't say I agree with their approach (I would've kept some veterans and get every Euro I can out of the UCL), but I can see why they're doing it.
 
2014-08-08 05:47:05 PM  

Duane Dibbley: northguineahills: Kurohone: Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.

It's weirder that that... The Polish side DIDN'T play the suspended player for three games. But they didn't register him for two of them. So it's not that they didn't play him, it's more that they didn't make him eligible to not be played, or something.

...and, didn't he play from the 85th minute on, or something like that, when game was in no doubt?

/and who loses to Legia Warsaw?

Legia played decently. But we are utter shiate right now. The board has been selling off our best players for years and failing to invest anywhere near what they havbe earned in transfer fees into buying new players. Neil Lennon quit as manager because he couldn't deal with the expectations of rebuilding the team every year with minimal resources. That and because the board refused to renew Georgios Samaras' contract even though he loves Celtic and wanted to stay and Lennon wanted to keep him as well.

So now we have a new and untested manager who has promised to develop youth and to play the sort of attacking football we like but hasn't delivered, a greedy board hoovering up every pound they can get their grubby hands on while keeping the biscuit tin for expenditures tightly shut and a team who have been playing the most lifeless, anaemic excuse for football that I have ever seen at Celtic.

Never mind Maribor, at this point we'll need another massive stroke of luck to get past the newly revived and quite superb Aberdeen in the SPFL this year.

I still love Celtic and always will. But I, and many other fans, are not pleased that it has come to this. And we want our Samaras back.


Oh, I see.  And w/o the Rangers to compete w/, there is no other incentive to be competitive.  I look forward to the day the Old Firm can be renewed.
 
2014-08-08 06:05:47 PM  

desertgeek: No one's close enough to them to make them worry and they clearly don't consider European competition to be that big of a deal.


That's the odd bit. Europe is important to them. It has to be. There's nae money in Scottish football, so the prize money to be won from the group stages and onwards in the Champion's League is absolutely massive compared to what comes in domestically. The only possible sense to it that I can see is that having seen how wild overspending (and tax evasion) caused the huns to self-destruct they're keeping the finances tight at home to prevent it happening to us.

Which is sensible, and I will agree that the first and most important jpob the board has is to ensure that the club is on sound financial grounds for the present and the future, but if that is the case they have gone too far in the opposite direction and those matches against Legia Warsaw show the profound negative effect it's had on the pitch. Had we simply kept players instead of selling them to the rich clubs down south then we could have certainly beaten them in those games, even with our captain out on injury.
 
2014-08-08 09:22:24 PM  

Duane Dibbley: Never mind Maribor, at this point we'll need another massive stroke of luck to get past the newly revived and quite superb Aberdeen in the SPFL this year.


You don't realize it yet, but losing to Aberdeen is the single best thing that could happen to not only you but the rest of Scottish soccer. That league title needs to leave the Old Firm by any means necessary just so the rest of Scotland can see that it's possible to do. Once they see that it can in fact be done, they'll come streaming back to the stands and it'll be a big shot in the arm all around. Right now, it's just an annual coronation of Celtic, and there is nothing worse for a league than singular domination. Ask Norway about what happened when Rosenborg lost.
 
2014-08-09 05:42:12 AM  

Duane Dibbley: northguineahills: Kurohone: Slaxl: Not playing suspended players is hardly a technicality or minor infraction. Let us watch Barcelona play Suarez in their opening game.

It's weirder that that... The Polish side DIDN'T play the suspended player for three games. But they didn't register him for two of them. So it's not that they didn't play him, it's more that they didn't make him eligible to not be played, or something.

...and, didn't he play from the 85th minute on, or something like that, when game was in no doubt?

/and who loses to Legia Warsaw?

Legia played decently. But we are utter shiate right now. The board has been selling off our best players for years and failing to invest anywhere near what they havbe earned in transfer fees into buying new players. Neil Lennon quit as manager because he couldn't deal with the expectations of rebuilding the team every year with minimal resources. That and because the board refused to renew Georgios Samaras' contract even though he loves Celtic and wanted to stay and Lennon wanted to keep him as well.

So now we have a new and untested manager who has promised to develop youth and to play the sort of attacking football we like but hasn't delivered, a greedy board hoovering up every pound they can get their grubby hands on while keeping the biscuit tin for expenditures tightly shut and a team who have been playing the most lifeless, anaemic excuse for football that I have ever seen at Celtic.

Never mind Maribor, at this point we'll need another massive stroke of luck to get past the newly revived and quite superb Aberdeen in the SPFL this year.

I still love Celtic and always will. But I, and many other fans, are not pleased that it has come to this. And we want our Samaras back.


Nothing Celtic does matters. Patrick Thistle will be an unstoppable Juggernaut this season.
 
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