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(NewsBusters)   Mother Jones believes that no pro-lifers actually believe that abortion is murder, it just that they all hate women, like the 45% of women who are pro-lifers   (newsbusters.org ) divider line
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2014-08-08 01:30:23 AM  
45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.
 
2014-08-08 01:38:42 AM  
Yup, that's absolutely what he said.
 
2014-08-08 01:39:54 AM  

Old Man Winter: 45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.


Can I ask you how many men you think hate men? How about how many people hate people?
 
2014-08-08 02:01:10 AM  
There are people who believe fur is murder, even though murder (by definition) is one person killing another person.  So I can totally believe that some pro-lifers consciously believe that abortion is murder.  Unfortunately that belief is not morally consistant and, at its root, is more about controlling and punishing women than saving lives.
 
2014-08-08 02:02:09 AM  
Mother Jones was a crazy old Irish woman Communist.


/I don't think she is related to me.
 
2014-08-08 02:04:59 AM  

Ambivalence: There are people who believe fur is murder, even though murder (by definition) is one person killing another person.  So I can totally believe that some pro-lifers consciously believe that abortion is murder.  Unfortunately that belief is not morally consistant and, at its root, is more about controlling and punishing women than saving lives.


I believe we shouldn't kill people, born yet or not if it can be at all avoided. If someone feels their only option is abortion I'm happy to provide more options.

I don't hang out in front of abortion clinics to tell people that, women aren't stupid.
 
2014-08-08 04:52:00 AM  

Old Man Winter: 45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.


Heh, reminds me of a scene from Family Guy.

ginandbacon: Can I ask you how many men you think hate men? How about how many people hate people?


Fewer than women hating women.

My dad had several things to tell me about how to treat women.  My mother never once had anything to say about it.  Why would that be?
 
2014-08-08 08:02:06 AM  
Subby, have you ever been around a woman that wasn't on a screen, let alone a group of them? They can be downright vicious to each other.
 
2014-08-08 08:02:19 AM  

ginandbacon: Old Man Winter: 45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.

Can I ask you how many men you think hate men? How about how many people hate people?


Well the little brown ones coming across the border seemed to be loves by all.
 
2014-08-08 08:02:57 AM  
The thing I don't get is why can't abortion be a zero-sum game. I don't have any particular like of abortion as a form of birth control but the way to prevent anortions is to provide access to birth control and prevent the prgnancies in the first place. Also, I know that the majority of abortions are not birth control but medically necessary procedures where a woman's life is threatened. If you're against that fark you
 
2014-08-08 08:06:00 AM  
hey subby here, hope you guys liked my lying propaganda headline!

catch ya on the flip side!

i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-08 08:06:03 AM  
I support keeping abortion legal.  I believe the soul is attached to an embryo at conception.  But still support the ability of women to choose.  While I find women attractive, I don't like them very much because they are such a pain in the ass.  But I think everyone should be treated fairly, even if I won't have any of them in my life.
 
2014-08-08 08:06:05 AM  

llort dam eht: The thing I don't get is why can't abortion be a zero-sum game. I don't have any particular like of abortion as a form of birth control but the way to prevent anortions is to provide access to birth control and prevent the prgnancies in the first place. Also, I know that the majority of abortions are not birth control but medically necessary procedures where a woman's life is threatened. If you're against that fark you


What part of "NO, BECAUSE JESUS!" are you having trouble with?
 
2014-08-08 08:06:48 AM  

llort dam eht: I don't have any particular like of abortion as a form of birth control


wow really, you maybe don't really like this carefully constructed and long-standing conservative strawman?

how magnanimous of you
 
2014-08-08 08:07:09 AM  

Frederick: My dad had several things to tell me about how to treat women. My mother never once had anything to say about it. Why would that be?


www.sickchirpse.com

"She knew to keep her mouth shut?"
 
2014-08-08 08:07:28 AM  
To be fair, if there's anyone who can be against abortion, it's a woman.

/At least to herself
 
2014-08-08 08:07:39 AM  
Do they "hate" women?  Arguably not, since they would immediately tell you how much they love women.

Do they hate that women should have control over their own bodies?  YES.

Do they hate that women should have access to birth control letting them have sex when they want to?  YES

Do they think sex should be for procreation only, and not be for recreational enjoyment also?  YES

Do they think women need to be in a straight marriage to be permitted to have sex YES

I think the description from the article is pretty correct.
 
2014-08-08 08:08:20 AM  
45% of women are pro-life?

That's odd, straw poll in my circle has revealed that none of them are. And some of them are seriously rabid, derptastic authoritarians. It's important you do not phrase it as "If you got knocked up accidentally, would you get an abortion?" but as "If a low income urban single woman that cannot afford a child without becoming a drain on society were to accidentally become pregnant, is abortion an option?"

I don't think anyone sane is arguing that abortion should not be allowed anymore - it's just "abortion should not be option 1" and "abortion should be a controlled, gated process".

Unfortunately, there are a lot of insane people involved in televised rhetoric.
 
2014-08-08 08:09:20 AM  
Mother Jones, one of the only times Newsbusters can legitimately take the high ground.
 
2014-08-08 08:09:56 AM  
A necessary evil is still an evil.
 
2014-08-08 08:14:30 AM  
Nonsensical run-on sentence...

...Newsbusters icon


Pass, thanks.
 
2014-08-08 08:18:08 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: To be fair, if there's anyone who can be against abortion, it's a woman.

/At least to herself


yeah but we probably aren't that far from some southern state mandating that pregnant women be shackled to birthing beds like the alien-mother in /duke Nukem's Atomic Edition in the first trimester,  'to protect the woman' Then it won't matter what women think. Won't that be better =/
 
2014-08-08 08:18:47 AM  
Anyone in 2014 who stil doesn't support safe, legal abortion hasn't watched an episode of "Maury."
 
2014-08-08 08:19:50 AM  

The Homer Tax: Anyone in 2014 who stil doesn't support safe, legal abortion hasn't watched an episode of "Maury."


My point exactly.
 
2014-08-08 08:21:00 AM  
What's the farkers stance on this ? Surely abortion is one of mostly talked subject. However, at what side are you farkers ? Specifically, what is your objections to abortion ?
 
2014-08-08 08:21:07 AM  
Uh, given that there are women *TODAY* arguing that Women's suffrage was a bad thing and they should get their right to vote removed-
(YES, REALLY)
 
2014-08-08 08:21:40 AM  
It's not so much that they hate women, they hate that women have sex. The "pro-life" movement is really just a neo-puritan movement, witch hunters and all.
 
2014-08-08 08:22:05 AM  

Weng: 45% of women are pro-life?

That's odd, straw poll in my circle has revealed that none of them are. And some of them are seriously rabid, derptastic authoritarians. It's important you do not phrase it as "If you got knocked up accidentally, would you get an abortion?" but as "If a low income urban single woman that cannot afford a child without becoming a drain on society were to accidentally become pregnant, is abortion an option?"

I don't think anyone sane is arguing that abortion should not be allowed anymore - it's just "abortion should not be option 1" and "abortion should be a controlled, gated process".

Unfortunately, there are a lot of insane people involved in televised rhetoric.


I don't even see where subby got the 45% number from. It's not in TFA, which doesn't really present any data at all.
 
2014-08-08 08:22:24 AM  

ginandbacon: Old Man Winter: 45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.

Can I ask you how many men you think hate men? How about how many people hate people?


People who hate people are the snarkiest people in the world.
 
2014-08-08 08:22:28 AM  

llort dam eht: The thing I don't get is why can't abortion be a zero-sum game. I don't have any particular like of abortion as a form of birth control but the way to prevent anortions is to provide access to birth control and prevent the prgnancies in the first place. Also, I know that the majority of abortions are not birth control but medically necessary procedures where a woman's life is threatened. If you're against that fark you


Why did you hide your very valid point about contraception between two pieces of complete crazy talk?
 
2014-08-08 08:22:52 AM  

Old Man Winter: 45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.


Yep.

Why ? Why do people ask how many men hate men ?

I think that most women have been that girl who is given tremendous sexual power over men (their fathers, their siblings, their friends ... and even many women) ... and used it to get what they want with little or no real effort. Look pretty, smile, and be vaguely attractive be 'nice'. Meanwhile, they can cultivate whatever black, wicked thoughts they want behind their attractive mask.

Even if you only SUSPECT that PART of what I said above is true, then it's a short step to go from that to "why should such an unqualified, manipulative person have the power of life and death over children in her body or men outside their bodies?"

IF you have even ANY kind of fleeting concurrence with the above thought, you may imagine that "women" (and by this we really mean unfairly super-attractive, relatively stupid, immoral women with the character and constancy of a 14 year old Jr High School girl) could walk into a strange town, seduce the best man in town, then accuse him of rape, break up his marriage, and then either kill his baby, offending his deeply spiritual family and community, or keep the baby and extort every last red cent from him (while, of course, going out and securing more 'lines of income' at the next city)

 And, to add to that ... We teach Misogyny every day.
 
2014-08-08 08:26:51 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: To be fair, if there's anyone who can be against abortion, it's a woman.

/At least to But only for herself


fixed
 
2014-08-08 08:27:59 AM  
From my experience growing up in the bible belt, they're anti-abortion, but pro-vague-unspecified-emergency-stomach-surgery-let's-change-the-subje ct   when their teenage daughters get knocked up.
 
2014-08-08 08:29:02 AM  

Brostorm: Mother Jones, one of the only times Newsbusters can legitimately take the high ground.


Maybe, but not in this case.

The point is that a lot of conservatives consider abortion murder, and this guy's wife has had two while he urged his mistress to have one. More than half voted for him. Ergo, they either don't really believe it's murder or they don't care. Good point, IMO

NewsBusters only response, while rediculous, is that 35000 out of 70000 isn't a generalization.
 
2014-08-08 08:31:40 AM  
The wide availability of affordable birth control has the largest measurable effect on Abortion rates.

It is easy to think then, that people who believe abortion is murder should be clamoring to make birth control available and inexpensive, and, if they fight the availability of birth control, to presume that they do not genuinely believe abortion is murder and therefore must hate women. This is a mistaken string of logic.

The more simple explanation is that they prioritize reducing the rate of child murder below their religious conviction that sex is bad and should be punished with pregnancy. Religious conviction is a part of their identity and these unborn children they talk about so much are abstract concepts they have no real empathy for or connection to. Its not that they don't believe its murder, it is just that making people feel bad about having sex is far more important than stopping murder.
 
2014-08-08 08:33:38 AM  
Obligatory:

amptoons.com
 
2014-08-08 08:35:09 AM  

InmanRoshi: From my experience growing up in the bible belt, they're anti-abortion, but pro-vague-unspecified-emergency-stomach-surgery-let's-change-the-subje ct   when their teenage daughters get knocked up.


Well yeah.  Rich white women or teenagers from rich white families have D&Cs, only poor and or minority women and girls get abortions.
 
2014-08-08 08:36:36 AM  
If you are against abortions, don't get one and leave everyone else alone
 
2014-08-08 08:36:39 AM  

Close2TheEdge: Do they "hate" women?  Arguably not, since they would immediately tell you how much they love women.

Do they hate that women should have control over their own bodies?  YES.

Do they hate that women should have access to birth control letting them have sex when they want to?  YES

Do they think sex should be for procreation only, and not be for recreational enjoyment also?  YES

Do they think women need to be in a straight marriage to be permitted to have sex YES

I think the description from the article is pretty correct.


Do they think that old men should have access to Viagra and penis pumps to have non-procreative sex?  YES
 
2014-08-08 08:37:48 AM  
So why doesn't Father Jones just whip some sense into her?  Surely she's just asking for it.
 
2014-08-08 08:37:58 AM  

Ambivalence: There are people who believe fur is murder, even though murder (by definition) is one person killing another person.  So I can totally believe that some pro-lifers consciously believe that abortion is murder.  Unfortunately that belief is not morally consistant and, at its root, is more about controlling and punishing women than saving lives.



No. Murder is the unlawful and intentional killing of a person.
 
2014-08-08 08:38:04 AM  

salvador.hardin: The wide availability of affordable birth control has the largest measurable effect on Abortion rates.

It is easy to think then, that people who believe abortion is murder should be clamoring to make birth control available and inexpensive, and, if they fight the availability of birth control, to presume that they do not genuinely believe abortion is murder and therefore must hate women. This is a mistaken string of logic.

The more simple explanation is that they prioritize reducing the rate of child murder below their religious conviction that sex is bad and should be punished with pregnancy. Religious conviction is a part of their identity and these unborn children they talk about so much are abstract concepts they have no real empathy for or connection to. Its not that they don't believe its murder, it is just that making people feel bad about having sex is far more important than stopping murder.


Exactly. That also ties into the lack of pushes towards social welfare for children by the conservative party
 
2014-08-08 08:38:45 AM  

Old Man Winter: 45 percent of women hate women? That seems like a lowball.


static.emedco.com
 
2014-08-08 08:39:29 AM  
I don't want to click a Newsbusters link.  Was this "article" written by that neutered snow monkey with the sh*t-eating grin?

What's his name?  Finkledinkle?  Festerberry? Funky Winkerbean?  I forget.
 
2014-08-08 08:40:20 AM  
Frederick: My dad had several things to tell me about how to treat women.  My mother never once had anything to say about it.  Why would that be?

Traditionally it's the same-sex parent who gives advice on how to deal with the opposite sex.  There are lots of pseudo-science reasons for it, but that advice was everywhere in parenting books a while back.  It's the opposite sex job's parent to be awesome so you know what an awesome lady or dude is like.  Any deviation from this will make the child a gay criminal.
 
2014-08-08 08:40:21 AM  

salvador.hardin: The wide availability of affordable birth control has the largest measurable effect on Abortion rates.

It is easy to think then, that people who believe abortion is murder should be clamoring to make birth control available and inexpensive, and, if they fight the availability of birth control, to presume that they do not genuinely believe abortion is murder and therefore must hate women. This is a mistaken string of logic.

The more simple explanation is that they prioritize reducing the rate of child murder below their religious conviction that sex is bad and should be punished with pregnancy. Religious conviction is a part of their identity and these unborn children they talk about so much are abstract concepts they have no real empathy for or connection to. Its not that they don't believe its murder, it is just that making people feel bad about having sex is far more important than stopping murder.


To put it more simply, they believe sex outside of marriage ruins lives, and they intend to take every action necessary to make sure that it does.
 
2014-08-08 08:40:28 AM  

give me doughnuts: No. Murder is the unlawful and intentional killing of a person.


Oh, sh*t.  I guess my fur is murder after all.
 
2014-08-08 08:41:03 AM  
I'm pretty sure they just want to punish anyone who feels pleasure.  They're not anti-women, anti-gay, anti-drug, or anti-porn.  They're anti-enjoying your farking life.
 
2014-08-08 08:42:27 AM  
If women are anti-abortion, anti-contraception and anti-sexeducation, then yes, they completely hate other women. Now, that might due to a terrible upbringing where they were made to feel horrible about themselves simply because they're women, but they do still hate women. Rick Santorum for example, he's gotta be raising his girls to hate other women.

Did anybody ever absolve Eve/Women for getting us cast out of the Garden of Eden? Is that why they're still cursed every month?
 
2014-08-08 08:42:44 AM  

msqualia: Frederick: My dad had several things to tell me about how to treat women.  My mother never once had anything to say about it.  Why would that be?

Traditionally it's the same-sex parent who gives advice on how to deal with the opposite sex.  There are lots of pseudo-science reasons for it, but that advice was everywhere in parenting books a while back.  It's the opposite sex job's parent to be awesome so you know what an awesome lady or dude is like.  Any deviation from this will make the child a gay criminal.


F*ck, you mean now I have to tell my wife that I'm not just a criminal, or not just gay, but a gay criminal?  Can't I just be criminally gay?  Ugh, this totally sucks.
 
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