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(Nola.com)   Army Core of Engineers to New Orleans: Sorry our levees broke on you and flooded your city, but we're immune from any legal consequences. Kthxbai   (nola.com) divider line 166
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2014-08-08 12:44:12 AM
Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:
 
2014-08-08 12:47:16 AM
The levee wasn't designed to handle what happened.  It worked to specs, so no liability.
 
2014-08-08 12:47:25 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:


It's a running joke around here anyway, so people will see it that way.
 
2014-08-08 01:20:53 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:


You failed!

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2014-08-08 01:29:41 AM

OgreMagi: The levee wasn't designed to handle what happened.  It worked to specs, so no liability.


Exactly.  It didn't fail as a result of a defect.
 
2014-08-08 01:37:59 AM
I am so disappointed that "the picture" isn't here already.
 
2014-08-08 01:53:36 AM
THEY WERE WARNED

Seriously though, it's just common sense that sometimes shiat happens. If you live a city as awesome as Nawlins, there's always gonna be a price.
 
2014-08-08 07:58:50 AM
Subby thinks we should sue the engineers of the twin towers as well.
 
2014-08-08 07:59:09 AM
It was common knowledge that the levees were inadequate for decades before Katrina, and city officials failed to act, to push for improvements. The feds were not responsible for this.
 
2014-08-08 08:04:09 AM

OgreMagi: The levee wasn't designed to handle what happened.  It worked to specs, so no liability.


That's not the reason. The article says:

"The claim is denied," reads the one-page letter signed by Earl H. Stockdale, chief counsel for the corps. "The United States is immune from personal injury, property damage, and wrongful death claims resulting from the exercise or performance or the failure to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty.
"Decisions concerning the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of the levees, floodwalls, and navigation channels involved the exercise or performance of a discretionary function or duty," the letter said. "The United States is also immune from damages from floodwaters."


Besides, engineering is not just about designing things to some arbitrary specification. It can include determining what the spec ought to be. It's at least conceivable, if unlikely, that the "core" was somehow negligent in that respect.
 
2014-08-08 08:04:21 AM
They didn't break. They were deliberately destroyed by President Bush for the Crab People, who needed the water to fertilize the eggs they had buried in the lower 9th ward.

Wake up, sheeple.
 
2014-08-08 08:05:40 AM

OgreMagi: The levee wasn't designed to handle what happened.  It worked to specs, so no liability.


Exactly - the problem was that it kep' on rainin'...
 
2014-08-08 08:06:20 AM

H31N0US: They didn't break. They were deliberately destroyed by President Bush for the Crab People, who needed the water to fertilize the eggs they had buried in the lower 9th ward.

Wake up, sheeple.


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2014-08-08 08:06:21 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:


I heard a radio announcer refer to the Army Corps of Engineers as the "Army Corpse of Engineers".  Flabbergasted at that.  At yours, not so much.
 
2014-08-08 08:07:47 AM
People shouldn't live in dangerous places. I'm talking to YOU, San Franciscans. . . .
 
2014-08-08 08:09:04 AM

OgreMagi: The levee wasn't designed to handle what happened.  It worked to specs, so no liability.


That's not what I heard actually. What I understand is that the levee was not built according to design. I believe they used anchors that were dozens of feet smaller than what the specs called for, resulting in the water pushing the metal sheets over like a lever, then getting under the leve causing a blowout.
 
2014-08-08 08:09:59 AM
Responsibility for the design and construction of the levee system belongs to the Corps of Engineers and the responsibility of maintenance belongs to the local levee boards, so it seems to me both share blame as the levees had design flaws and the local boards had been diverting maintenance funds to their own 'projects' since the 60s AND degrading the integrity of some levees by dredging underneath them.
 
2014-08-08 08:12:00 AM

HawgWild: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:

You failed!

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good grief that death scene.  Ugh.
 
2014-08-08 08:13:29 AM
This thing was built by the Army Core of Engineers!

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2014-08-08 08:14:15 AM
It is difficult to keep a levee from failing when being blown up by the military under orders of the Bush Koch brothers to flood district 9.
That's what Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee told us.
 
2014-08-08 08:15:46 AM
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that's what they get for hiring shiatty lawyers. Alan shore would have given a speech about how we farked over the people of NOLA, specially the poor, tossed out some statistics, made fun of Bush and brownie and the judge and jury would have lifted the immunity.
 
2014-08-08 08:16:47 AM
DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!
 
2014-08-08 08:20:41 AM
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2014-08-08 08:22:43 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: It is difficult to keep a levee from failing when being blown up by the military under orders of the Bush Koch brothers school bus manufacturers to flood district 9.
That's what Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee told us.

 
2014-08-08 08:23:11 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: This thing was built by the Army Core of Engineers!


Is that from 'Return of the living dead'? I can't believe I remembered that if it is.
 
2014-08-08 08:24:57 AM
The elevation of New Orleans is -6 to 20.5 feet. Even though it is a port city, I think being below sea level could be a bit of a problem.
 
2014-08-08 08:26:12 AM
"The claim is denied," reads the one-page letter signed by Earl H. Stockdale, chief counsel for the corps. "The United States is immune from personal injury, property damage, and wrongful death claims resulting from the exercise or performance or the failure to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty.

"Decisions concerning the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of the levees, floodwalls, and navigation channels involved the exercise or performance of a discretionary function or duty," the letter said. "The United States is also immune from damages from floodwaters."


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2014-08-08 08:26:17 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".

/sorry folks  D:


The proper etiquette in this situation is to blame it on your wife.
 
2014-08-08 08:26:18 AM

Babwa Wawa: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:

I heard a radio announcer refer to the Army Corps of Engineers as the "Army Corpse of Engineers".  Flabbergasted at that.  At yours, not so much.


Mistakes like that are easy to make: link
 
2014-08-08 08:28:36 AM

H31N0US: They didn't break. They were deliberately destroyed by President Bush for the Crab People, who needed the water to fertilize the eggs they had buried in the lower 9th ward.

Wake up, sheeple.


FALSE FLAG!  FALSE FLAG!
 
2014-08-08 08:32:10 AM
At least their citizens are able to go back to work.

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Make music
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And get on with their lives
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Maybe they can even put in a bid for the Olympic games
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2014-08-08 08:34:06 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: This thing was built by the Army Core of Engineers!

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They just needed to send more cops.
 
2014-08-08 08:35:48 AM

markfara: People shouldn't live in dangerous places. I'm talking to YOU, San Franciscans. . . .


I don't mind if people choose to live in dangerous places as long as they're fully informed and cover the cost of insurance. We shouldn't be subsidizing living in harm's way by shifting the insurance cost off to others.
 
2014-08-08 08:36:03 AM

H31N0US: They didn't break. They were deliberately destroyed by President Bush for the Crab People, who needed the water to fertilize the eggs they had buried in the lower 9th ward.

Wake up, sheeple.


Crab People! Crab People! Crab People!
 
2014-08-08 08:36:23 AM
They had no problem with the levees' threshold until it was exceeded.  If they were so concerned about it they could have improved them at their own expense, but they chose not to.  They chose to take on the risk instead of adding to existing prevention.
 
2014-08-08 08:37:35 AM

dittybopper: "The claim is denied," reads the one-page letter signed by Earl H. Stockdale, chief counsel for the corps. "The United States is immune from personal injury, property damage, and wrongful death claims resulting from the exercise or performance or the failure to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty.

"Decisions concerning the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of the levees, floodwalls, and navigation channels involved the exercise or performance of a discretionary function or duty," the letter said. "The United States is also immune from damages from floodwaters."

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It's why I don't live in experimental cities with an elevated probability of natural disaster.  A city that freezes over for a couple months is enough troubles to worry about.
 
2014-08-08 08:38:02 AM
An excerpt from the life of an engineer.

Client:  I want a doohickey that can go a brazilian miles an hour and works in temperatures up to the melting point of lead.

Engineer:  Sure, let me come up with a proposal.... Ok, here you go.

Client:  Um, I don't want to spend 6 gazillion dollars with 10 months of development and testing.  What can you give me for 2 gazillion dollars with delivery in six weeks?

Engineer:  I can make a doohickey that can do half a brazilian miles and hour and might work close to the melting point of lead.

Client.  Ok.

(six weeks later.)

Engineer:  Here's your doohickey.

Client: Thanks.

(six months later.)

Client:  The doohickey isn't working anymore.

Engineer:  What happened?

Client:  We were cruising at a brazilian miles an hour like we normally do, but just before it got to twice the melting point of lead is started acting strange....
 
2014-08-08 08:39:21 AM
I'd like to see a picture of the person that filed a personal injury claim of $3 quadrillion.
 
2014-08-08 08:39:57 AM

StrikitRich: Responsibility for the design and construction of the levee system belongs to the Corps of Engineers and the responsibility of maintenance belongs to the local levee boards, so it seems to me both share blame as the levees had design flaws and the local boards had been diverting maintenance funds to their own 'projects' since the 60s AND degrading the integrity of some levees by dredging underneath them.


How dare you implicate the local levee boards?

They had vitally important infrastructure matters like casinos and patronage to attend to, and you expect the levee board to what, help make sure the levees are okay?

While the corps did not provide a total on Tuesday, in January 2008, the corps announced that the top 297 claims filed at that time -- each for more than $1 billion -- totaled $12 trillion. And that didn't include one personal injury claim that requested $3 quadrillion.

Clearly it was racist to deny these totally legitimate claims.
 
2014-08-08 08:42:09 AM

markfara: People shouldn't live in dangerous places. I'm talking to YOU, San Franciscans. . . .


Everywhere is dangerous on a long enough time frame.
 
2014-08-08 08:42:13 AM

Babwa Wawa: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ack, crud.  Should have typed "Corps", not "Core".


/sorry folks  D:

I heard a radio announcer refer to the Army Corps of Engineers as the "Army Corpse of Engineers".  Flabbergasted at that.  At yours, not so much.


Were you also flabbergasted when Obama pronounced it "corpse.men"?

/corpsmen
 
2014-08-08 08:42:21 AM

Gdalescrboz: Subby thinks we should sue the engineers of the twin towers as well.


All 3, count 'em 3, WTC towers that went down - not twin, and one can't even use the "Oh I got hit by a plane" excuse.

And, there is a push for that.
 
2014-08-08 08:42:55 AM
Thanks Obama Bush......
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2014-08-08 08:43:15 AM

Mr. Oizo: An excerpt from the life of an engineer.

Client:  I want a doohickey that can go a brazilian miles an hour and works in temperatures up to the melting point of lead.

Engineer:  Sure, let me come up with a proposal.... Ok, here you go.

Client:  Um, I don't want to spend 6 gazillion dollars with 10 months of development and testing.  What can you give me for 2 gazillion dollars with delivery in six weeks?

Engineer:  I can make a doohickey that can do half a brazilian miles and hour and might work close to the melting point of lead.

Client.  Ok.

(six weeks later.)

Engineer:  Here's your doohickey.

Client: Thanks.

(six months later.)

Client:  The doohickey isn't working anymore.

Engineer:  What happened?

Client:  We were cruising at a brazilian miles an hour like we normally do, but just before it got to twice the melting point of lead is started acting strange....


Poor dumb engineer. Should have bumped his FOS to 3 instead of 2. Problem solved!
 
2014-08-08 08:45:31 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: H31N0US: They didn't break. They were deliberately destroyed by President Bush for the Crab People, who needed the water to fertilize the eggs they had buried in the lower 9th ward.

Wake up, sheeple.

Crab People! Crab People! Crab People!


False Crab!  False Crab!  False Crab!

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2014-08-08 08:47:44 AM

give me doughnuts: They just needed to send more copse.


FTFY... the law of the running gag requires it...
 
2014-08-08 08:48:44 AM

StrikitRich: Responsibility for the design and construction of the levee system belongs to the Corps of Engineers and the responsibility of maintenance belongs to the local levee boards, so it seems to me both share blame as the levees had design flaws and the local boards had been diverting maintenance funds to their own 'projects' since the 60s AND degrading the integrity of some levees by dredging underneath them.


So the corps is to blame because they could not predict the future and to a massive issue that no one else could have predicted either?
 
2014-08-08 08:50:54 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: markfara: People shouldn't live in dangerous places. I'm talking to YOU, San Franciscans. . . .

Everywhere is dangerous on a long enough time frame.


But some places are known to be dangerous on much shorter and better defined time frames.
 
2014-08-08 08:51:41 AM
I doubt that it's the overriding reason, but sovereign immunity is probably a big reason why a lot of people support privatization...because even the richest non-government corporations can be sued.

/Of course, it would do them just as much good...
 
2014-08-08 08:51:58 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: give me doughnuts: They just needed to send more copse.

FTFY... the law of the running gag requires it...


By your command....

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