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2014-08-07 10:17:28 PM  
Dollars to donuts we'll at least like her SCOTUS nominations better than anyone the GOP might want to DERP senateward.

That said....

FTA: I agree that there's space on the left. But that's a lot different than having a charismatic candidate capable of exploiting it.

Ayep. This guy doesn't seem to fall a bit short of completely delusional.
 
2014-08-07 10:22:15 PM  
Liberals know exactly what they'd get with Hillary

And liberals know exactly what they'd get with a Republican.

Ergo, HILLARY 2016!!!
 
2014-08-07 10:28:50 PM  
You're an idiot or a fox news junkie, but I repeat myself, if you think Hillary is a liberal.
 
2014-08-07 10:31:06 PM  
I really don't get this. Anyone who is 69 is too old to be elected president. Did we learn nothing from Ronald Reagan?
 
2014-08-07 10:37:57 PM  
The article is hillaryous.

Look, the pun was right there. Someone was going to use it anyway.

Don't look at me like that.
 
2014-08-07 10:56:58 PM  

Snarfangel: The article is hillaryous.

Look, the pun was right there. Someone was going to use it anyway.

Don't look at me like that.


You are a far braver man than I!
 
2014-08-07 11:15:49 PM  
Any liberal surprised by how Hillary would govern hasn't been paying attention.  She's a Third-Way Wall Street shill just like her husband.
 
2014-08-07 11:26:57 PM  

VelcroFez: I really don't get this. Anyone who is 69 is too old to be elected president. Did we learn nothing from Ronald Reagan?


If Reagan was so bad, why did we name airports after him?
 
2014-08-07 11:30:13 PM  
Very few "liberals" I know, and I'm just lumping all Democrats into that category, are thrilled with the idea of Hillary Clinton as President.  Most claim they'll "hold their nose and vote for her".  But here's the thing, subby, she's still preferable to anyone the Republicans have put forward.
 
2014-08-07 11:31:22 PM  
"...there are no Eisenhower Republicans left..."

Well, there are, but we vote Democrat because that's where the Eisenhower Republican platforms are. There is no liberal party in America these days.
 
2014-08-07 11:35:13 PM  
The U.S. hasn't done too badly under center-right Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I have every reason to believe the same will hold under Hillary Clinton as well. I might even vote for her depending on who the Greens put up. Anyone likely to win the Republican nomination will be devoid of any of her positive qualities, will triple her negative ones and will probably add a few new batshiat insane ones if honest. If I wanted batshiat crazy I'd just vote Constitution Party anyway.
 
2014-08-07 11:45:09 PM  

edmo: we vote Democrat because that's where the Eisenhower Republican platforms are. There is no liberal party in America these days.


i.imgur.com

There are the Greens of course, but as long as they don't build locally and keep putting up 9/11 truthers for President there's no reason to vote that ticket.
 
2014-08-07 11:51:21 PM  

Somacandra: edmo: we vote Democrat because that's where the Eisenhower Republican platforms are. There is no liberal party in America these days.

[i.imgur.com image 188x243]

There are the Greens of course, but as long as they don't build locally and keep putting up 9/11 truthers for President there's no reason to vote that ticket.


i.qkme.me
 
2014-08-08 12:00:12 AM  
Why do you think most liberals are treating Hillary we're the teacher and she's the only kid in class who raises her hand? Yes, Hillary, we know you know the answer, but does anyone else want to give it a shot? Elizabeth? You? What about you,Martin? Anyone? Does anyone else have a guess? *sigh* Ok, Hillary, you tell us.
 
2014-08-08 12:06:33 AM  

timujin: Very few "liberals" I know, and I'm just lumping all Democrats into that category, are thrilled with the idea of Hillary Clinton as President.  Most claim they'll "hold their nose and vote for her".  But here's the thing, subby, she's still preferable to anyone the Republicans have put forward.


Yep.
 
2014-08-08 12:18:05 AM  

Somacandra: The U.S. hasn't done too badly under center-right Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I have every reason to believe the same will hold under Hillary Clinton as well. I might even vote for her depending on who the Greens put up. Anyone likely to win the Republican nomination will be devoid of any of her positive qualities, will triple her negative ones and will probably add a few new batshiat insane ones if honest. If I wanted batshiat crazy I'd just vote Constitution Party anyway.


BSABSVDemocrat!!
 
2014-08-08 12:18:49 AM  
Step 1: Strongly promote Hillary as the front runner

Step 2: Allow the RW hate-plex to spin up to full power

Step 3: Watch as the GOP unloads 20 years worth of pent-up frustration and misogyny

Step 4: Name someone else the candidate while ineffective salvos fall all around

Step 5: Hillary for SCOTUS because I'd like to see some of these cocksuckers stroke out due to fits of rage

Step 6: Eliminate the "Hoverround" provision from Medicare

Step 7: PERMANENT DEMOCRAT MAJORITY
 
2014-08-08 12:21:48 AM  

Snarfangel: The article is hillaryous.

Look, the pun was right there. Someone was going to use it anyway.

Don't look at me like that.


Unlike other things that belong to hillary...
 
2014-08-08 12:21:58 AM  
Not voting for the good in favor of the perfect seems to be a Repuican disease. If you want to try to convince me that Clinton won't be a perfect liberal, go right ahead. But her compromised form is miles ahead of the post-apocalyptic wasteland the GOP wants to own.
 
2014-08-08 12:22:16 AM  
Republicans deliver disaster.

Democrats deliver less than perfect.

Both sides are bad.
 
2014-08-08 12:22:28 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: You're an idiot or a fox news junkie, but I repeat myself, if you think Hillary is a liberal.


Nonsense.  I was told that Hillary was the most liberal lib who ever libbed just like every other Democratic Presidential candidate for the last thirty years.
 
2014-08-08 12:24:42 AM  
That settles it, I'm voting potato.
 
2014-08-08 12:26:04 AM  
i.imgbox.com
 
2014-08-08 12:29:13 AM  

fusillade762: Somacandra: edmo: we vote Democrat because that's where the Eisenhower Republican platforms are. There is no liberal party in America these days.

[i.imgur.com image 188x243]

There are the Greens of course, but as long as they don't build locally and keep putting up 9/11 truthers for President there's no reason to vote that ticket.

[i.qkme.me image 560x375]


Pfft, Don't blame me. I voted for Kang,
 
2014-08-08 12:32:29 AM  
Are we seriously doing Upworthy my favorite website-style headlines now?

THAT'S where we've fallen to??

/I won't BELIEVE what happens next
 
2014-08-08 12:33:25 AM  
Well played, Fark Filter...well played...
 
2014-08-08 12:34:49 AM  

BarrRepublican: Step 1: Strongly promote Hillary as the front runner

Step 2: Allow the RW hate-plex to spin up to full power

Step 3: Watch as the GOP unloads 20 years worth of pent-up frustration and misogyny

Step 4: Name someone else the candidate while ineffective salvos fall all around

Step 5: Hillary for SCOTUS because I'd like to see some of these cocksuckers stroke out due to fits of rage

Step 6: Eliminate the "Hoverround" provision from Medicare

Step 7: PERMANENT DEMOCRAT MAJORITY


shhh...
 
2014-08-08 12:39:13 AM  

Hydra: BSABSVDemocrat!!


i.imgur.com

Yeah. That's EXACTLY what I said.
 
2014-08-08 12:39:19 AM  
Rand Paul shut down the government.

You know who else advocated to "Shut 'em down"?

Public Enemy.

The GOP is clearly unafraid of a black planet

check and mate libulardos
 
2014-08-08 12:41:37 AM  

Hydra: Somacandra: The U.S. hasn't done too badly under center-right Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I have every reason to believe the same will hold under Hillary Clinton as well. I might even vote for her depending on who the Greens put up. Anyone likely to win the Republican nomination will be devoid of any of her positive qualities, will triple her negative ones and will probably add a few new batshiat insane ones if honest. If I wanted batshiat crazy I'd just vote Constitution Party anyway.

BSABSVDemocrat!!


dev.solita.fi
 
2014-08-08 12:51:09 AM  

Somacandra: edmo: we vote Democrat because that's where the Eisenhower Republican platforms are. There is no liberal party in America these days.

[i.imgur.com image 188x243]

There are the Greens of course, but as long as they don't build locally and keep putting up 9/11 truthers for President there's no reason to vote that ticket.


AFAIK Jill Stein isn't a truther.  She's actually pretty level headed, and I think she'd be great at the job, unfortunately she has zero change of winning, just like any other third party candidate.

The biggest issue I have with the Greens is their anti-nuclear-energy stance.
 
2014-08-08 12:55:05 AM  
Is Hillary even running? Or it is necessary to have anything fact-based when you're talking politics?

Haha, of course that's a rhetorical question.
 
2014-08-08 12:57:10 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2014-08-08 01:05:29 AM  
Between Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and even Joe Biden, it's a huge problem that the Democratic Party's biggest names are or will be in their 70s by the end of the decade. The way to beat the Grumpy Old Party isn't by fighting fire with fire, by pitting one old-timer against another, it's by throwing them off-guard with a younger, more vibrant candidate.

The Democrats should run a lesser-known or unknown in 2016. This was one big reason Obama won back in 2008. Start grooming the next generation of Democratic Party leaders now.

Besides, think about all the candidates from both sides that crashed and burned once they "got their turn" to run: Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, Bob Dole, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

The Republicans may be a mess, but the Democrats are setting themselves up for disaster by pinning their hopes on Hillary.
 
2014-08-08 01:13:01 AM  
A woman cannot be elected to the Presidency in today's America. I'd say in another 20 years it may be possible, but not now and not Hillary.

/I've already bet one farker she won;'t make it out of the primaries
//he'll eat an edible hat when she drops out
 
2014-08-08 01:17:34 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Between Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and even Joe Biden, it's a huge problem that the Democratic Party's biggest names are or will be in their 70s by the end of the decade. The way to beat the Grumpy Old Party isn't by fighting fire with fire, by pitting one old-timer against another, it's by throwing them off-guard with a younger, more vibrant candidate.

The Democrats should run a lesser-known or unknown in 2016. This was one big reason Obama won back in 2008. Start grooming the next generation of Democratic Party leaders now.

Besides, think about all the candidates from both sides that crashed and burned once they "got their turn" to run: Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, Bob Dole, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

The Republicans may be a mess, but the Democrats are setting themselves up for disaster by pinning their hopes on Hillary.


My mother is in her 70's, and not only would you vote for her for President, you'd probably take her to bed if the moon was right and you'd had enough wine.

Why do people think 70 is old and decrepit anymore? Sheesh.
 
2014-08-08 01:27:42 AM  

Hydra: Somacandra: The U.S. hasn't done too badly under center-right Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I have every reason to believe the same will hold under Hillary Clinton as well. I might even vote for her depending on who the Greens put up. Anyone likely to win the Republican nomination will be devoid of any of her positive qualities, will triple her negative ones and will probably add a few new batshiat insane ones if honest. If I wanted batshiat crazy I'd just vote Constitution Party anyway.

BSABSVDemocrat!!


I have a screen name you could use. You are a fool with money. Let us engage in capitalism.
 
2014-08-08 01:27:58 AM  
FTA:  Ultimately she has an orthodox, mainstream, centrist, Eisenhower Republican view of the economy.

Personally, I think she's further to the right than that on the economy. But if she gets the nom, she's got my vote. Judges are important, and the Supreme Court just keeps showing us over and over that there is a difference between the parties. And, it's not just the SCOTUS. Judges on the federal bench are important, too. I do not want a Republican appointing them, and I sure as hell don't want a Republican appointing them if there's a Republican-controlled Senate.
 
2014-08-08 01:30:41 AM  
All I have to know is: Is it better than whoever republicans run? And the answer would pretty much have to be yes. I mean, Sauron is less evil than most republicans anymore.
 
2014-08-08 01:33:25 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: The Democrats should run a lesser-known or unknown in 2016. This was one big reason Obama won back in 2008. Start grooming the next generation of Democratic Party leaders now.


They are.  There's a reason Corey Booker was virtually unopposed in his Senate run.  There's a reason Julian Castro was elevated to the Cabinet.  Deval Patrick is already being positioned for a future run.  Kirsten Gillibrand is being built up in the Senate.  If Allison Grimes knocks off Turtle Boy, she'll get some plumb exposure in the Senate.  There's nothing wrong with running older named candidates when you have the younger generation backing them up.
 
2014-08-08 01:48:39 AM  
Q: Isn't she a good campaigner?

A: She campaigned very well in two difficult races but that doesn't mean she can campaign well.

Oh FFS.
 
m00
2014-08-08 01:52:37 AM  
If she runs, there are Republicans that could run who would be to the left of her on a majority of issues. But even if Republicans do run a candidate to the left of Hillary, Democrats would still vote for Hillary.

Oddly, if Warren ran against Hillary in the primaries, Democrats would vote for Hillary because "she has the aura of inevitability" or  "she's the only one that can win in the general election."

Heck, if somehow through a weird procedural quirk that Elizabeth Warren ended up as the Republican nominee, still Democrats would vote for Hillary. Because the D is the important thing, and issues and positions are not. This is what passes for politics.
 
2014-08-08 01:58:22 AM  

m00: Heck, if somehow through a weird procedural quirk that Elizabeth Warren ended up as the Republican nominee, still Democrats would vote for Hillary. Because the D is the important thing, and issues and positions are not. This is what passes for politics.


You seem way too convinced by your own bullshiat given the absolute absurdity of your premise.

scienceblogs.com
 
2014-08-08 02:09:02 AM  
Duh.

She'll be better than any imaginable Republican, but she is the most right wing Democrat in national politics.
 
m00
2014-08-08 02:12:20 AM  

TheWhoppah: m00: Heck, if somehow through a weird procedural quirk that Elizabeth Warren ended up as the Republican nominee, still Democrats would vote for Hillary. Because the D is the important thing, and issues and positions are not. This is what passes for politics.

You seem way too convinced by your own bullshiat given the absolute absurdity of your premise.

[scienceblogs.com image 178x178]


You clearly doesn't understand the term "thought experiment," as it is an important tool in logic and reason. Let me know when you are interested in either.
 
2014-08-08 02:13:10 AM  
As a mostly-liberal independent, I don't need to RTFA to know that Hillary farking sucks. But refusing to vote for her in the general election out of some misguided sense of principle would be Class-A cutting-off-nose-to-spite-face behavior. There is no significant chance that the GOP is suddenly going to plausibly start running to her left. Nor is there any significant chance that a viable third party will develop in the US between now and the election.
 
2014-08-08 02:13:28 AM  

m00: If she runs, there are Republicans that could run who would be to the left of her on a majority of issues.


Name one.
 
2014-08-08 02:21:08 AM  

m00: If she runs, there are Republicans that could run who would be to the left of her on a majority of issues. But even if Republicans do run a candidate to the left of Hillary, Democrats would still vote for Hillary.

Oddly, if Warren ran against Hillary in the primaries, Democrats would vote for Hillary because "she has the aura of inevitability" or  "she's the only one that can win in the general election."

Heck, if somehow through a weird procedural quirk that Elizabeth Warren ended up as the Republican nominee, still Democrats would vote for Hillary. Because the D is the important thing, and issues and positions are not. This is what passes for politics.


This is the same question as to why the Right hates her so much.

We have an inevitable presidential candidate that supports Wall Street and is best known for her connection with a presidency that destroyed Welfare, and got tough on crime.

Why are Republicans tying so hard to discredit her?
 
2014-08-08 02:26:48 AM  
I'd like to see her win just to watch the brutal payback for alllll those years of scandal-mongering and insults to her kid and shiat like that. Because you KNOW she can psycho-biatch out with the best of them...or worst.
 
2014-08-08 02:30:57 AM  
2 of my 3 green highlighted farkers are in this thread. Cool. Nah, I won't say who.

But.. hmm.. I see any argument has already been covered. After this comment will simply be drunk ramblings and troll bait/responses.

Yay Fark!
 
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