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2014-08-07 07:43:57 PM
THIS WILL IMMEDIATELY TURN PEOPLE INTO NINJAS!! YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN WON'T STAND A CHANCE!!
 
2014-08-07 07:52:04 PM
This will make drive-by shootings so much more considerate. I mean, you don't want to wake the whole neighborhood.
 
2014-08-07 08:00:51 PM
But supporters say they can protect hunters' hearing, reduce a rifle's recoil and allow hunters to operate near residential areas without bothering people.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-08-07 08:17:02 PM
Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".
 
2014-08-07 08:20:20 PM

OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".


Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?
 
2014-08-07 08:32:46 PM

dookdookdook: OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".

Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?


Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities. This is only a threat if it gets anywhere near Chicago.
 
2014-08-07 08:46:18 PM

Lsherm: dookdookdook: OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".

Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?

Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities. This is only a threat if it gets anywhere near Chicago.


Criminals in Chicago already have all the silencers they want.
 
2014-08-07 08:48:43 PM
FFS

/just mandate that everyone in the state must carry at all times and declare open season
//thin that herd
 
2014-08-07 08:49:02 PM

fusillade762: This will make drive-by shootings so much more considerate. I mean, you don't want to wake the whole neighborhood.


An armed society is a polite society.
 
2014-08-07 09:00:11 PM

shanrick: fusillade762: This will make drive-by shootings so much more considerate. I mean, you don't want to wake the whole neighborhood.

An armed society is a polite society.


Why do people keep repeating this stupid cliche? Or are you being sarcastic? Can't tell.

/the old west was not a polite society
//it wasn't like it is in the movies either but it wasn't polite
 
2014-08-07 09:08:09 PM

Mugato: /the old west was not a polite society
//it wasn't like it is in the movies either but it wasn't polite


Sure the homicide rate of 1870's Dodge City was 35 times the current US rate and 550 times the current Japanese rate, but everyone got to walk around with a gun belt and a giant hat like Marshall Dillon, so it was totally worth it.
 
2014-08-07 09:36:07 PM

Lsherm: Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities.


That's only because when Dick Cheney Cletus accidentally shoots his friend, it's written off as "oops, it happens!" by the good ole boy cops.
 
2014-08-07 09:41:28 PM
Who cares if Flordia legalizes mufflers for hunting? They are legal for use in hunting in roughly half the states already. This won't make silencers any less controlled at the federal level.
 
2014-08-07 09:41:44 PM

Mugato: shanrick: fusillade762: This will make drive-by shootings so much more considerate. I mean, you don't want to wake the whole neighborhood.

An armed society is a polite society.

Why do people keep repeating this stupid cliche? Or are you being sarcastic? Can't tell.

/the old west was not a polite society
//it wasn't like it is in the movies either but it wasn't polite


A visitor arriving in Wichita, Kansas in 1873, the heart of the Wild West era, would have seen signs declaring, "Leave Your Revolvers At Police Headquarters, and Get a Check."
 
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2014-08-07 10:04:51 PM
I see nothing wrong with hunting with silencers.  I own two silencers and two integrally silenced rifles (silencer built into the gun).  I see absolutely no difference in firearm safety except that they aren't as likely to damage the shooters hearing.

Firearms produce a lot of noise pollution which isn't necessary.  Countries like France and New Zealand have very liberal silencer laws which are far less restrictive than in the US.  New Zealand has no restrictions on silencer use, purchase or manufacture.

Silencers don't work like you see in the movies.  There are special considerations for selecting ammunition.  Ammunition needs to be subsonic (slower than the speed of sound) to get the best results.  Some guns which shoot supersonic ammo are almost as loud with a silencer as without (at least as heard by the human ear).  The can also negatively affect accuracy so the shooter much practice much more (which is always a good thing).
 
2014-08-07 10:44:00 PM

Olo Manolo: THIS WILL IMMEDIATELY TURN PEOPLE INTO NINJAS!! YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN WON'T STAND A CHANCE!!



Of course not. Standing just makes you a bigger target. Better to use cover, and never fire from the same place twice.
 
2014-08-07 10:49:44 PM

doglover: Lsherm: dookdookdook: OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".

Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?

Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities. This is only a threat if it gets anywhere near Chicago.

Criminals in Chicago already have all the silencers they want.



Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers
 
2014-08-07 10:56:17 PM

Sid_6.7: Lsherm: Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities.

That's only because when Dick Cheney Cletus accidentally shoots his friend, it's written off as "oops, it happens!" by the good ole boy cops.


Homicides happen in rural areas as well, but when people talk about the "gun problem" in the US, they are talking about homicides in cities, which are disproportionately higher. Suicides are even across the board.  Yet when Fark liberals scream about gun nuts, they seem to conveniently avoid talking about where flashpoints of violence actually exist.  Instead, we get brilliant bigots analysts who think using the name "Cletus" is a mark of cleverness.
 
2014-08-07 11:05:31 PM

dookdookdook: Mugato: /the old west was not a polite society
//it wasn't like it is in the movies either but it wasn't polite

Sure the homicide rate of 1870's Dodge City was 35 times the current US rate and 550 times the current Japanese rate, but everyone got to walk around with a gun belt and a giant hat like Marshall Dillon, so it was totally worth it.


But you are still allowed to walk around with a gun belt like Marshall Dillon in the US and the Japanese suicide rate is possibly as high or higher than the US murder rate. So it's not like guns are the X factor.
 
2014-08-07 11:06:57 PM

Snarfangel: doglover: Lsherm: dookdookdook: OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".

Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?

Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities. This is only a threat if it gets anywhere near Chicago.

Criminals in Chicago already have all the silencers they want.


Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers


Spinners.

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2014-08-07 11:08:41 PM

doglover: dookdookdook: Mugato: /the old west was not a polite society
//it wasn't like it is in the movies either but it wasn't polite

Sure the homicide rate of 1870's Dodge City was 35 times the current US rate and 550 times the current Japanese rate, but everyone got to walk around with a gun belt and a giant hat like Marshall Dillon, so it was totally worth it.

But you are still allowed to walk around with a gun belt like Marshall Dillon in the US and the Japanese suicide rate is possibly as high or higher than the US murder rate. So it's not like guns are the X factor.


Because the voluntary ending of life and the involuntary ending of life are the exact same thing.
 
2014-08-07 11:10:17 PM

doglover: Snarfangel: doglover: Lsherm: dookdookdook: OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".

Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?

Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities. This is only a threat if it gets anywhere near Chicago.

Criminals in Chicago already have all the silencers they want.


Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers

Spinners.

[recklessrims.com image 400x400]



Chevy Chevy Bang Bang.
 
2014-08-07 11:16:12 PM
Ladd Everett is a farking twat. "Silencers" don't make a firearm silent.
 
2014-08-07 11:16:18 PM
Legal in SC - not a factor in violent crime.
 
2014-08-07 11:17:51 PM

dookdookdook: But supporters say they can protect hunters' hearing, reduce a rifle's recoil and allow hunters to operate near residential areas without bothering people.

What could possibly go wrong?


Well, since they are already legal for hunting use in 32 states, I'd say pretty much nothing at all.
 
2014-08-07 11:17:52 PM
Ok, I guess I'll be that guy in this discussion...

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SILENCER. IT IS CALLED A SUPPRESSOR.

More than that, the item doesn't even "silence" a gunshot--it's still more than loud enough to be heard a considerable distance away. I'm too tired to look up the relevant YouTube video, but a suppressed gunshot is still about as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
 
2014-08-07 11:20:51 PM
That's like saying legalizing pot holders will make baking more dangerous.
www.insanity.net
 
2014-08-07 11:21:18 PM

violentsalvation: Who cares if Flordia legalizes mufflers for hunting? They are legal for use in hunting in roughly half the states already. This won't make silencers any less controlled at the federal level.


Came to say this.

It's still a $700 suppressor, a $200 tax stamp, sign off from the local chief of police, an ATF form and processing time.

People that are willing to jump through the hoops aren't the ones that are the problem.
 
2014-08-07 11:22:31 PM
This is just farking lazy. This is for the dipshiat who can't shoot in the first place.
 
2014-08-07 11:25:09 PM
ERRRMMAGERD the guns won't be as loud!
 
2014-08-07 11:28:02 PM

Thingster: violentsalvation: Who cares if Flordia legalizes mufflers for hunting? They are legal for use in hunting in roughly half the states already. This won't make silencers any less controlled at the federal level.

Came to say this.

It's still a $700 suppressor, a $200 tax stamp, sign off from the local chief of police, an ATF form and processing time.

People that are willing to jump through the hoops aren't the ones that are the problem.


People that are willing to obtain guns through the proper channels are generally not the problem either.
 
2014-08-07 11:28:37 PM

dookdookdook: Because the voluntary ending of life and the involuntary ending of life are the exact same thing.


I do apologize for pre-emptively cutting you and yourn off from using gun "death" statistics that lump homicides in with suicides. I should have waited for someone actually bring out the useless statistics yet again. Think of all the time we could have wasted going in a big circle.

But you're conveniently ignoring the point about the fact you CAN trot through the street like Marshall Dillon NOW but as someone pointed out you couldn't actually do that in the old west.
 
2014-08-07 11:29:44 PM
If bad guys want them they'll just get them on the black market like everything else.
 
2014-08-07 11:31:18 PM

maram500: Ok, I guess I'll be that guy in this discussion...

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SILENCER. IT IS CALLED A SUPPRESSOR.

More than that, the item doesn't even "silence" a gunshot--it's still more than loud enough to be heard a considerable distance away. I'm too tired to look up the relevant YouTube video, but a suppressed gunshot is still about as loud as a vacuum cleaner.


I believe the De Lisle was supposedly the quietest rifle produced and it was rated at 45 decibels, which apparently is comparable to someone talking loudly. I think most are still in the 100 decibel range and 120 is the threshold for pain. So anything that takes it below the 120 range would just be awesome.

Course what no one is pushing is that silencers are quite sizable, which makes guns less concealable and therefore even more difficult to hide prior to your rampage to massacre thousands of sweet innocent children in 30 seconds.
 
2014-08-07 11:33:15 PM
They're legal and easy to get in England and those guys aren't exactly gun friendly.

But if we're going to pretend that gang bangers are going to put $700 cans on their $200 Hi-Points, sure, crime is going to get much worse...
 
2014-08-07 11:34:58 PM

Lsherm: Sid_6.7: Lsherm: Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities.

That's only because when Dick Cheney Cletus accidentally shoots his friend, it's written off as "oops, it happens!" by the good ole boy cops.

Homicides happen in rural areas as well, but when people talk about the "gun problem" in the US, they are talking about homicides in cities, which are disproportionately higher. Suicides are even across the board.  Yet when Fark liberals scream about gun nuts, they seem to conveniently avoid talking about where flashpoints of violence actually exist.  Instead, we get brilliant bigots analysts who think using the name "Cletus" is a mark of cleverness.


It's of primary importance that any discussion on guns portrays NRA supporters as the perpetrators of gun violence in America. Also the name Cletus is used because we all know rednecks disproportionately commit crime in America. Some 50% of murders can be blamed on Appalachian hill folk.
 
2014-08-07 11:35:15 PM

Lsherm: Sid_6.7: Lsherm: Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities.

That's only because when Dick Cheney Cletus accidentally shoots his friend, it's written off as "oops, it happens!" by the good ole boy cops.

Homicides happen in rural areas as well, but when people talk about the "gun problem" in the US, they are talking about homicides in cities, which are disproportionately higher. Suicides are even across the board.  Yet when Fark liberals scream about gun nuts, they seem to conveniently avoid talking about where flashpoints of violence actually exist.  Instead, we get brilliant bigots analysts who think using the name "Cletus" is a mark of cleverness.


I've known guys names Cletus. They made fun of their own names, and definitely had a better sense of humor than you.

Also, as you wrote:

conveniently avoid talking about where flashpoints of violence actually exist

Last I checked places like DC and Chicago were trying to limit gun possession/use in their own borders, yet the gun nuts still go apesh*t over it even if it doesn't affect them. Your argument about liberals not policing their own spaces is utter BS.

And yet DC has to put up with this kind of bullsh*t. So which is it? Are DC's gun laws too strict, or are they refusing to acknowledge where the problem is? Pick one, and try to be consistent for at least a few seconds.

The crap you claim is happening is happening in the opposite direction. The gun lobby and its rabid gun-sucking advocates aren't just content hoarding guns themselves; they are actively working to subvert the democratic decisions of other jurisdictions. Because 'Murica!

Or, to put it another way:

thismodernworld.com
 
2014-08-07 11:35:27 PM
I thought anti gunners were all about protecting hunters rights, and all they really wanted to do was ban whatever an assault weapon is?
 
2014-08-07 11:37:09 PM
 
2014-08-07 11:38:36 PM

Snarfangel: Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers


Too late

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

Flash enhancers.  The "rolling coal" of gun nuts.
 
2014-08-07 11:39:59 PM

idsfa: Snarfangel: Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers

Too late



Flash enhancers.  The "rolling coal" of gun nuts.


Really?

That's farking retarded.

Link maybe? Because I *hope* you're just bullshiatting.
 
2014-08-07 11:40:36 PM

Snarfangel: doglover: Lsherm: dookdookdook: OregonVet: Silencers actually make the weapon less effective in certain conditions. Some instances notsomuch. But it certainly doesn't make it "more dangerous".

Openly encouraging drunk, armed yokels to wage their War against Nature even closer to residential areas doesn't make things more dangerous?

Drunk, armed yokels are responsible for most accidental shootings in the US. The bulk of violent gun crimes are inside cities. This is only a threat if it gets anywhere near Chicago.

Criminals in Chicago already have all the silencers they want.


Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers


Thought about trying to load some 9MM with black powder for those that like to "roll coal"
 
2014-08-07 11:40:39 PM
Suppressors aren't nearly as effective as Hollywood would have you believe. Depending on type of firearm an unsuppressed gunshot can reach as high as 160 dB (for a .22LR pistol). An extremely good suppressor might get a gunshot down to about 120 dB. That's the difference between instantaneous hearing damage and a rock concert or chainsaw.

Put more concisely, a silenced round ain't.
 
2014-08-07 11:40:44 PM

idsfa: Snarfangel: Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers

Too late



Flash enhancers.  The "rolling coal" of gun nuts.


A flash enhancer is to make the muzzle blast bigger and brighter, not louder.
 
2014-08-07 11:41:29 PM
How about silencing the legalizers?
 
2014-08-07 11:41:58 PM

doglover: But you're conveniently ignoring the point about the fact you CAN trot through the street like Marshall Dillon NOW but as someone pointed out you couldn't actually do that in the old west.


So you're saying the golden days that conservatives are struggling to bring America back to are actually all just TV shows from their youth?

/wait, Gunsmoke aired in the 1960's.  Make that "TV shows from their early middle age".
 
2014-08-07 11:42:46 PM
Making handguns less concealable and hunting rifles less dangerous to a hunter's hearing? Oh, the humanity!
 
2014-08-07 11:43:26 PM
"They don't quite muffle shots down to the sinister  popheard in the movies. But supporters say they can protect hunters' hearing, reduce a rifle's recoil and allow hunters to operate near residential areas without bothering people."

I don't often agree with gun nuts, but...

I'm an aspiring musician.  Because I want to be an aspiring musician who can still hear a few years down the line that means a lot of use of earplugs.  As someone who uses earplugs a lot, I can tell you they greatly reduce your situational awareness.  It seems to me that hearing other people talking off 20 yards to your right might actually be a useful thing, so if silencers can help people not have to use ear protection, fine.  No silencers for handguns though.  I know silencers don't work in real life like they do in movies, but concealable and quieter- no thanks.  Also, as a general rule of thumb I'd argue you shouldn't hunt any closer to residential areas than your bullet could reach if fired at an optimal angle under reasonably favorable wind conditions.

Still think civilians shouldn't have handguns at all, and rifles and shotguns don't belong in built up areas and should be fully registered and you should be face full prosecution civilly and criminally for any crime committed with a gun you own just as if you had committed the crime (unless you have already reported it stolen, in which case you shouldn't be held liable as long as you took reasonable precautions to prevent it being stolen.)
 
2014-08-07 11:44:37 PM

Thingster: idsfa: Snarfangel: Instead of silencers, they'll want their rifles to have noisifiers, preferably ones that amplify bass.

/Ballistic subwoofers

Too late

Flash enhancers.  The "rolling coal" of gun nuts.

Really?

That's farking retarded.

Link maybe? Because I *hope* you're just bullshiatting.


Snake Hound Machine makes one.  I think the Noveske KX3 & KX4 (used in a lot of short barrel and AR pistol builds) direct a lot of flash and bang forward which is pleasant for the person behind the brake, less so for people in front of it.  I've got a a brake for my PTR-91 that will do the same thing, but it reduces felt recoil quite a bit...  I'm hoping between that and the heavier buffer in the stock, my wife won't get shoved back a foot when she shoots it.
 
2014-08-07 11:44:58 PM

Kalashinator: Making handguns less concealable and hunting rifles less dangerous to a hunter's hearing? Oh, the humanity!


Loud guns save lives.
 
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