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pla
2014-08-08 06:34:16 AM
duffblue : Why are citizens allowed to own these?

Well, because we as a society have decided to treat the air as a "collective commons". The alternative (in any society that respects private property rights) would require airlines to negotiate a right-of-way for every parcel of land they fly over.

As a "side effect" of the FAA and the police and the military getting to fly over your house, you get to fly things too, as long as you follow some basic rules.


They should only be for police and military.

How's that cop-dick taste today?

Amusingly, you have that exactly backward.  Although they can fly according to those same rules that apply to us all, the military can't operate domestically in the airspace drones occupy (below 1000ft AGL), and the police can't just go looking in your windows to casually snoop for crimes, whether they do it in person or via remote control.


What kind of small-dicked loser even thinks this is cool?

I have mine on order from Amazon. $300, and you control it with your iPhone. "Just who do you plan to please with that tiny thing?" "Me!".
 
2014-08-08 06:40:45 AM
toys being called 'drones', fun stuff by the media!
these things can be bought for $100, and any bozo can 'fly' them.
now if it were a bigger quad or hexacopter worth $5000, the person would probably have a little more experience, and not crash it.
if they DID ban the flying of 'drones', quad and hexacopters owners would ignore it, as they are flying toys!
 
2014-08-08 06:46:13 AM

Hermione_Granger: styckx: drjekel_mrhyde: These people feel that they can fly these things any and everywhere they want.
/Read the comments on The Verge if you don't believe me

I wonder why? Before the "drone" craze hobbiest RC copter pilots respected other peoples properities, privacy and flew their birds in parks and remote fields away from people.. Now people feel they can just launch one of these drones in a crowded public place with cameras attached and don't understand why people look annoyed as shiat.

I'm still trying to figure out when any and  every remote controlled flying toy became a "drone" the way every brown person who's name ends in "ad, ed, or al" became a potential terrorist.

Some guys used to fly them in the park behind our house and almost the whole neighborhood would turn out. Seems to me Yellowstone would be a great place to do this.



Obviously you're not real smart. And have never spent any time in Yellowstone. There's few things that have less business being there.
 
2014-08-08 06:49:37 AM

Hermione_Granger: I'm still trying to figure out when any and  every remote controlled flying toy became a "drone" the way every brown person who's name ends in "ad, ed, or al" became a potential terrorist.

Some guys used to fly them in the park behind our house and almost the whole neighborhood would turn out. Seems to me Yellowstone would be a great place to do this.


It's the damn fear mongering media. "Drone" plays on fears of Predator drones that people think can fly anywhere in the world autonomously in a moments notice and wipe out an entire city indiscriminately. Where as "RC Helicopter" sounds like a children's toy. "People flying RC Helicopters in New York City", who cares. "People flying drones in New York City", OMG EVERYBODY PANIC! INVASION OF PRIVACY!!!!

It is like how the media turned the meaning of "Hacker" from "ingeniously resourceful engineers and programmers" into "basement-dwelling criminals who steal credit-card numbers and try to take down power grids."

/I stopped watching the news a long time ago.
\\I get all my news from Fark and The Onion, Americas finest news source!
 
2014-08-08 06:56:19 AM

Mentalpatient87: Oh man, as much as Google Glass gets tempers boiling, I can't wait to see the epic teeth gnashing when they develop an autonomous companion drone that just flits around the user like a high tech hummingbird.


Already happening:

http://www.airdog.com
 
2014-08-08 06:57:41 AM

gfid: Lsherm: Well, I should hope a 1lb plastic toy can't make that much of a difference. That's a fair amount of water and energy and a very small interruption. I'd think a strong rainstorm would have a greater effect on it.

Yes, and throwing out the litter from your trip to McDonald's won't matter either, but if everyone does it then it becomes a problem.

Don't fark with national parks.



You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac, El Dorado convertible
Hot pink with whaleskin hub caps and all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for headlights, yeah

And I'm gonna drive around in that baby at 115 mph
Getting one mile per gallon, sucking down quarter pounder
Cheese burgers from McDonald's in the old fashioned
Non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers
And when I'm done sucking down those grease ball burgers

I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
And then I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam container right out the side
And there ain't a goddamned thing anybody can do about it
You know why? Because we got the bombs, that's why

I doubt this is obscure...
 
2014-08-08 07:00:06 AM
Speaking as a libertarian, I don't believe in drones. Drones aren't in the constitution.
 
2014-08-08 07:04:35 AM

captjc: Hermione_Granger: I'm still trying to figure out when any and  every remote controlled flying toy became a "drone" the way every brown person who's name ends in "ad, ed, or al" became a potential terrorist.

Some guys used to fly them in the park behind our house and almost the whole neighborhood would turn out. Seems to me Yellowstone would be a great place to do this.

It's the damn fear mongering media. "Drone" plays on fears of Predator drones that people think can fly anywhere in the world autonomously in a moments notice and wipe out an entire city indiscriminately. Where as "RC Helicopter" sounds like a children's toy. "People flying RC Helicopters in New York City", who cares. "People flying drones in New York City", OMG EVERYBODY PANIC! INVASION OF PRIVACY!!!!

It is like how the media turned the meaning of "Hacker" from "ingeniously resourceful engineers and programmers" into "basement-dwelling criminals who steal credit-card numbers and try to take down power grids."

/I stopped watching the news a long time ago.
\\I get all my news from Fark and The Onion, Americas finest news source!


yep, the local, and national news relies on fear and intimidation to drive thier ratings. The weather and childern in peril drive the bleed and lead cycle.

I've taken to trolling the social media outlets of the local TV news stations. like, when the weather person will push a tweet or something about a normal band of summer thunder storms, I ask them exactly how childern that they expect this weather system to imperil.

then there is the local news imperiled childern drinking game. Whenever the news features, or mentions an imperiled child you must take a shot, if a specific number of childern is mentioned, you must take an additional shot for each one listed
 
2014-08-08 07:31:37 AM
OOOO Scary Drone crash!!! Better get my drone hunting permit, and load up the shotgun.....


Seriously... It's a battery powered RC toy that you can  attach a camera to, and take pictures with...I doubt it will become Self-aware and start World War 3.
 
2014-08-08 07:54:42 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Fiction Fan: Bullshiat that a drone can't be flown over some of the most beautiful and pristine land our country has left.
What was the thinking? That it would disturb the mosquitos? Maybe camping nudists?
I really would want to know the reasoning.

They are a nuisance. You are not the only trying to enjoy the most beautiful and pristine land our country has left. Completely support the ban and it should be extended to all Federally administered wilderness areas as well.


Yeah?  How do you feel about the hundreds of thousands of cars driving through Yellowstone in the summer, or the snowmobiles in winter?
 
2014-08-08 08:15:31 AM

Lsherm: Park spokesperson Al Nash addressed concerns that the downed aircraft, which sank into the 370-foot-wide and 121-foot-deep "boiling lake," could potentially damage the famous natural landmark.
"What we have to determine is whether the presence of this radio-controlled recreational aircraft poses a threat to that unique resource," Nash said.
"We are trying to determine if we can locate it, and if we locate it, if we'll be able to remove it. Our concern is about any potential impacts to the iconic Yellowstone thermal feature."

Well, I should hope a 1lb plastic toy can't make that much of a difference. That's a fair amount of water and energy and a very small interruption. I'd think a strong rainstorm would have a greater effect on it.


it has a lithium battery. Do you know what happens to lithium batteries in high temperatures?
 
2014-08-08 08:28:23 AM

studebaker hoch: So fish it out with a helicopter and a boat hook.  BFD.

What's far worse is all the change that gets thrown into those features, so much it alters the plumbing over decades.

/thanks Obama


You know how I know that you have no idea what you are talking about?

(or did I just get trolled?)
 
2014-08-08 08:36:50 AM

70Ford: [images.travelerstoday.com image 563x305]
Hello, Bison.
[patdollard.com image 563x305]
Hi, HOW YOU DOIN'? NOT SO FUNNY NOW, IS IT, SMILING MAN?


I saw the same thing happen at least 20 times when I worked there for the summer.  Idiots acting like the bison/elk/bears/moose/coyotes are tame zoo animals.
 
2014-08-08 08:44:51 AM

Cerebral Knievel: I ask them exactly how childern that they expect this weather system to imperil.


I hope that you specified that as a member of their target demographic, you were only interested in the attractive blond children who were potentially imperiled.
 
2014-08-08 08:51:38 AM
The Grand Prismatic Spring is a hot spring with pigmented microbial mats living in it that have been there for hundreds of thousands of years.

straylighteffect.com
Even if you think it's no big deal, the lithium in the battery can explode and contaminate the microbial mats. It can kill this thing that's been alive since way before human civilization. Just because some jerk felt that he didn't need to abide by the rules.
 
2014-08-08 08:58:16 AM
It's not a drone. It's just a radio controlled aircraft. Stop calling them drones. The government uses drones, for the rest of us they're just a fun toy.

Charles.
 
2014-08-08 08:59:52 AM
I go to YNP fairly frequently, and nothing pisses me off more than seeing how people have drawn their names and other shiat into the bacterial mats of Grand Prismatic next to the boardwalk. Or seeing coins in some of the hot springs. Fark those people, and fark this guy.
 
2014-08-08 09:01:57 AM

ModeratelyProfane: OOOO Scary Drone crash!!! Better get my drone hunting permit, and load up the shotgun.....


Seriously... It's a battery powered RC toy that you can  attach a camera to, and take pictures with...I doubt it will become Self-aware and start World War 3.


Yet....

/ Hey! I've got this GREAT idea for the next Syfy movie of the week!
 
2014-08-08 09:04:07 AM

fiddlehead: I go to YNP fairly frequently, and nothing pisses me off more than seeing how people have drawn their names and other shiat into the bacterial mats of Grand Prismatic next to the boardwalk. Or seeing coins in some of the hot springs. Fark those people, and fark this guy.


They should get Forest Rangers who do nothing but monitor the boardwalks and hand out $1000 citations to people doing that shiat.
 
2014-08-08 09:12:35 AM

RexTalionis: fiddlehead: I go to YNP fairly frequently, and nothing pisses me off more than seeing how people have drawn their names and other shiat into the bacterial mats of Grand Prismatic next to the boardwalk. Or seeing coins in some of the hot springs. Fark those people, and fark this guy.

They should get Forest Rangers who do nothing but monitor the boardwalks and hand out $1000 citations to people doing that shiat.


I wish they did, but rangers are seriously understaffed. They probably spend most of their time trying to handle all the tourists that get too close to bison/elk/bears. Bear jams are particularly insane.

And this guy didn't even get a citation! Even with obvious proof that he put something in a hot spring! Sigh.
 
2014-08-08 09:36:43 AM
Mmmmm.... Bear jam...
 
2014-08-08 09:38:48 AM

Gulper Eel: Cerebral Knievel: I ask them exactly how childern that they expect this weather system to imperil.

I hope that you specified that as a member of their target demographic, you were only interested in the attractive blond children who were potentially imperiled.


no, but, I'll start doing so
 
2014-08-08 09:59:55 AM

ModeratelyProfane: OOOO Scary Drone crash!!! Better get my drone hunting permit, and load up the shotgun.....


Seriously... It's a battery powered RC toy that you can  attach a camera to, and take pictures with...I doubt it will become Self-aware and start World War 3.



The reason they're banned is because they're obnoxious - many sound like a lawnmower flown by bees - and because when idiots crash them, as they inevitably will, it will be difficult if not impossible to retrieve the wreckage, thus littering the landscape and contributing pollution.

Most people have the good sense to not be obnoxious in a national park.  As we all know though, not everyone who visits a park has this.

I have found many drone owners (I hesitate to call them pilots when they know little about flight) lack this social awareness.  At concerts in the park there's always one or two dorks who hover theirs above pretty women, or swooping around making people feel uncomfortable.  I doubt they carry liability insurance too.

It's one thing to gather in an empty park or lot and practice flight - that's cool.  I'm down with that.  But it's the dumbasses with more money than sense that are ruining it.
 
2014-08-08 10:03:29 AM

TheDirtyNacho: ModeratelyProfane: OOOO Scary Drone crash!!! Better get my drone hunting permit, and load up the shotgun.....


Seriously... It's a battery powered RC toy that you can  attach a camera to, and take pictures with...I doubt it will become Self-aware and start World War 3.


The reason they're banned is because they're obnoxious - many sound like a lawnmower flown by bees - and because when idiots crash them, as they inevitably will, it will be difficult if not impossible to retrieve the wreckage, thus littering the landscape and contributing pollution.

Most people have the good sense to not be obnoxious in a national park.  As we all know though, not everyone who visits a park has this.

I have found many drone owners (I hesitate to call them pilots when they know little about flight) lack this social awareness.  At concerts in the park there's always one or two dorks who hover theirs above pretty women, or swooping around making people feel uncomfortable.  I doubt they carry liability insurance too.

It's one thing to gather in an empty park or lot and practice flight - that's cool.  I'm down with that.  But it's the dumbasses with more money than sense that are ruining it.


Not to mention that they're kind of hazardous - those blades bite!

Also, there was a dude flying a remote control helicopter that he lost control of last year. The blades accidentally sliced off the top part of his skull.
 
m00
2014-08-08 10:25:42 AM

pla: the police can't just go looking in your windows to casually snoop for crimes, whether they do it in person or via remote control.


Sure they can, they do it all the time.

What, do you have something to hide?
 
2014-08-08 10:33:59 AM
Man, I sure am worried that a pound of plastic could damage the boiling sulfurous hell-scape that it sank into.
 
2014-08-08 10:40:18 AM

jshine: Man, I sure am worried that a pound of plastic could damage the boiling sulfurous hell-scape that it sank into.


www.brookstone.com
 
2014-08-08 10:47:55 AM

RexTalionis: jshine: Man, I sure am worried that a pound of plastic could damage the boiling sulfurous hell-scape that it sank into.

[www.brookstone.com image 700x700]


Your point?

Those volcanic springs are already so full of all kinds of nasty chemicals, it's like peeing in the ocean.
 
2014-08-08 10:51:20 AM

jshine: Those volcanic springs are already so full of all kinds of nasty chemicals, it's like peeing in the ocean.


They're full of chemicals that the microbial mats are adapted to live in.

They aren't adapted to live in lithium polymer.
 
2014-08-08 10:55:29 AM

RexTalionis: jshine: Those volcanic springs are already so full of all kinds of nasty chemicals, it's like peeing in the ocean.

They're full of chemicals that the microbial mats are adapted to live in.

They aren't adapted to live in lithium polymer.


...and how much lithium is actually in a battery?  What is the volume of water in that hot spring that the lithium will dilute into?  That's the point of the 'peeing in the ocean' metaphor.

Also, we're talking lithium here -- not cyanide.  It's a close chemical analog of sodium (i.e., an alkali / group 1 metal), which is something that any microbes in that spring will absolutely be used to seeing.
 
2014-08-08 10:56:43 AM

TheMega


Oh really.. a little toy helicopter is really going to hurt the 3rd largest stinkhole in the world???


No, your mom will be okay.
 
2014-08-08 11:02:51 AM

jshine: RexTalionis: jshine: Those volcanic springs are already so full of all kinds of nasty chemicals, it's like peeing in the ocean.

They're full of chemicals that the microbial mats are adapted to live in.

They aren't adapted to live in lithium polymer.

...and how much lithium is actually in a battery?  What is the volume of water in that hot spring that the lithium will dilute into?  That's the point of the 'peeing in the ocean' metaphor.

Also, we're talking lithium here -- not cyanide.  It's a close chemical analog of sodium (i.e., an alkali / group 1 metal), which is something that any microbes in that spring will absolutely be used to seeing.


Why don't we replace 1/10th of your salt intake with lithium chloride instead of sodium chloride? After all, it's a close chemical analog of sodium chloride, something you're used to seeing.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-08 11:09:03 AM

RexTalionis: jshine: RexTalionis: jshine: Those volcanic springs are already so full of all kinds of nasty chemicals, it's like peeing in the ocean.

They're full of chemicals that the microbial mats are adapted to live in.

They aren't adapted to live in lithium polymer.

...and how much lithium is actually in a battery?  What is the volume of water in that hot spring that the lithium will dilute into?  That's the point of the 'peeing in the ocean' metaphor.

Also, we're talking lithium here -- not cyanide.  It's a close chemical analog of sodium (i.e., an alkali / group 1 metal), which is something that any microbes in that spring will absolutely be used to seeing.

Why don't we replace 1/10th of your salt intake with lithium chloride instead of sodium chloride? After all, it's a close chemical analog of sodium chloride, something you're used to seeing.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 668x636]


...so, you think that the amount of lithium in the drone is equivalent to 1/10 of the sodium content in that spring's water?

Granted, I haven't done the math, but as a chemical engineer that estimate seems pretty high...
 
2014-08-08 11:11:06 AM

jshine: ...so, you think that the amount of lithium in the drone is equivalent to 1/10 of the sodium content in that spring's water?

Granted, I haven't done the math, but as a chemical engineer that estimate seems pretty high...


As a chemical engineer, you also know that lithium batteries tend to explode when exposed to high temperatures.

Can you give assurances that the lithium battery isn't toxic to the bacterial mat? Specifically, to the areas immediately surrounding the drone. Since you're such a big, bad chemical engineer and all that.
 
2014-08-08 11:17:49 AM

fiddlehead: I go to YNP fairly frequently, and nothing pisses me off more than seeing how people have drawn their names and other shiat into the bacterial mats of Grand Prismatic next to the boardwalk. Or seeing coins in some of the hot springs. Fark those people, and fark this guy.


This. There is good no reason that people need to invade, mark, walk over, take pictures of, piss on, or carve their farking initials in every square inch of nature, just because they have the mentality of a three-year-old. If you don't have the sense to control yourself, maybe we need more laws to control YOU. How'd you like that, instead? "But I WANT TOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
2014-08-08 11:19:40 AM

cryinoutloud: This. There is good no good reason that people need to invade, mark, walk over, take pictures of, piss on, or carve their farking initials in every square inch of nature, just because they have the mentality of a three-year-old. If you don't have the sense to control yourself, maybe we need more laws to control YOU. How'd you like that, instead? "But I WANT TOOOOOOOOOOO!"


sigh. I make a lot of typos anymore.....
 
2014-08-08 11:19:59 AM

RexTalionis: jshine: RexTalionis: jshine: Those volcanic springs are already so full of all kinds of nasty chemicals, it's like peeing in the ocean.

They're full of chemicals that the microbial mats are adapted to live in.

They aren't adapted to live in lithium polymer.

...and how much lithium is actually in a battery?  What is the volume of water in that hot spring that the lithium will dilute into?  That's the point of the 'peeing in the ocean' metaphor.

Also, we're talking lithium here -- not cyanide.  It's a close chemical analog of sodium (i.e., an alkali / group 1 metal), which is something that any microbes in that spring will absolutely be used to seeing.

Why don't we replace 1/10th of your salt intake with lithium chloride instead of sodium chloride? After all, it's a close chemical analog of sodium chloride, something you're used to seeing.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 668x636]


Ok, so for the sake of argument, let's actually do the math...  According to Wikipedia, the spring in question is about 250' x 300' x 160' deep -- assuming it's a simple cuboid, that gives a volume of 12000000 cubic feet or about 9 million gallons.  It discharges 560 gallons/minute, so the volume will be completely flushed every 11 days or so.

Now, lets say we introduce a 6 ounce (170g) lithium battery (and, for the sake of argument, we'll assume it's made of pure lithium -- because hey, why not?).  That's about 24.5 moles of lithium, diluted into 9 million gallons or 34068706 liters, for a concentration of 7.2 micromolar.  For reference, salt in seawater (i.e., sodium ion) is about 200,000x more concentrated than that.  Also, even in our calculation here, that represents an initial concentration.  Since this is a hot-spring, the water is constantly being flushed, so after a month or so, it'll be down to essentially zero.

I.e., "peeing in the ocean"
 
2014-08-08 11:21:35 AM

TheDirtyNacho: ModeratelyProfane: OOOO Scary Drone crash!!! Better get my drone hunting permit, and load up the shotgun.....


Seriously... It's a battery powered RC toy that you can  attach a camera to, and take pictures with...I doubt it will become Self-aware and start World War 3.


The reason they're banned is because they're obnoxious - many sound like a lawnmower flown by bees - and because when idiots crash them, as they inevitably will, it will be difficult if not impossible to retrieve the wreckage, thus littering the landscape and contributing pollution.

Most people have the good sense to not be obnoxious in a national park.  As we all know though, not everyone who visits a park has this.

I have found many drone owners (I hesitate to call them pilots when they know little about flight) lack this social awareness.  At concerts in the park there's always one or two dorks who hover theirs above pretty women, or swooping around making people feel uncomfortable.  I doubt they carry liability insurance too.

It's one thing to gather in an empty park or lot and practice flight - that's cool.  I'm down with that.  But it's the dumbasses with more money than sense that are ruining it.


I've actually been looking into one myself, being a long time photography and RC flight hobbyist, but as you say, obnoxious idiots ruin everything. My sticking point is them being called "Drones" The implication is that it's semi-autonomous, the implication itself is incorrect. Because even the big scary killbots in the DoD inventory require human control.

Sidepoint: The DJI model this tard managed to stuff is according to everything I've read, supposed to be fairly idiot proof, if you have even the slightest grasp on flight I wonder how badly he had to fark up to crash it in the hot spring.

But the guy broke one of the cardinal rules of both RC flight and Photography: If you're going to fly/take pictures on or over property that doesn't belong to you, ask permission first. If he had, he'd still have his toy, and the rangers would have told him we don't allow operation of RC craft in the park.

My own "What an idiot" Story: Purchased my first RC plane when I was 13 for 14, literally saved 6 months of lawn mowing and skipping lunch at school money, went out and bought a scale model of P-26 PeaShooter (1930s era fighter for the Army Air Corps)., and managed to totally destroy it approximately 30 seconds after takeoff. To this day I swear the ground jumped up and grabbed that wing. I managed to salvage the engine, servos and battery housing. The airframe was a total loss, being balsa wood and plastic sheeting.

Learned my lesson though, bought a much sturdier mass production model after that, and managed to crash it about a hundred fifty times before it's first successful landing.

These days, I just pester the cats with the little airhogs micro RC Helos.

They really hate the one that shoots the little foam discs....
 
2014-08-08 11:23:43 AM
RE "Park spokesperson Al Nash addressed concerns that the downed aircraft, which sank into the 370-foot-wide and 121-foot-deep boiling lake, could potentially damage the famous natural landmark."

I'm gonna say no. No, it won't.

I mean, sure, fine the guy or whatever for whatever costs are generated by trying to retrieve the thing, but I guarantee industrial sources of pollution do more damage in one day to various natural resources than this guy could if he flew a "drone" into the hot springs every day for the next year.
 
2014-08-08 11:25:19 AM

jshine: Ok, so for the sake of argument, let's actually do the math... According to Wikipedia, the spring in question is about 250' x 300' x 160' deep -- assuming it's a simple cuboid, that gives a volume of 12000000 cubic feet or about 9 million gallons. It discharges 560 gallons/minute, so the volume will be completely flushed every 11 days or so.

Now, lets say we introduce a 6 ounce (170g) lithium battery (and, for the sake of argument, we'll assume it's made of pure lithium -- because hey, why not?). That's about 24.5 moles of lithium, diluted into 9 million gallons or 34068706 liters, for a concentration of 7.2 micromolar. For reference, salt in seawater (i.e., sodium ion) is about 200,000x more concentrated than that. Also, even in our calculation here, that represents an initial concentration. Since this is a hot-spring, the water is constantly being flushed, so after a month or so, it'll be down to essentially zero.

I.e., "peeing in the ocean"


How toxic is it within, say, 1 cubic feet around the battery?
 
2014-08-08 11:26:02 AM

RexTalionis: jshine: ...so, you think that the amount of lithium in the drone is equivalent to 1/10 of the sodium content in that spring's water?

Granted, I haven't done the math, but as a chemical engineer that estimate seems pretty high...

As a chemical engineer, you also know that lithium batteries tend to explode when exposed to high temperatures.

Can you give assurances that the lithium battery isn't toxic to the bacterial mat? Specifically, to the areas immediately surrounding the drone. Since you're such a big, bad chemical engineer and all that.


I can absolutely assure you that:

1) The lithium battery is incapable of exploding with sufficient force to sterilize the hot spring or physically destroy it.

2) There is not sufficient lithium in the battery to threaten the existence of any species of bacteria in the hot spring.  Could it kill a few individual bacterial cells near where it lands?  Yes.  Will all the various species of bacteria still be in the spring next week, next month, and next year (absent any other disaster)?  Also, yes.  I.e., no long-term threat.

I'd be willing to bet any amount of money or either of my degrees on those points.
 
2014-08-08 11:27:28 AM

RexTalionis: jshine: Ok, so for the sake of argument, let's actually do the math... According to Wikipedia, the spring in question is about 250' x 300' x 160' deep -- assuming it's a simple cuboid, that gives a volume of 12000000 cubic feet or about 9 million gallons. It discharges 560 gallons/minute, so the volume will be completely flushed every 11 days or so.

Now, lets say we introduce a 6 ounce (170g) lithium battery (and, for the sake of argument, we'll assume it's made of pure lithium -- because hey, why not?). That's about 24.5 moles of lithium, diluted into 9 million gallons or 34068706 liters, for a concentration of 7.2 micromolar. For reference, salt in seawater (i.e., sodium ion) is about 200,000x more concentrated than that. Also, even in our calculation here, that represents an initial concentration. Since this is a hot-spring, the water is constantly being flushed, so after a month or so, it'll be down to essentially zero.

I.e., "peeing in the ocean"

How toxic is it within, say, 1 cubic feet around the battery?


3.bp.blogspot.com

Look, if you want to be angry about something, go ahead.  I won't try to stop you with any more science.
 
2014-08-08 11:27:34 AM

Fiction Fan: Bullshiat that a drone can't be flown over some of the most beautiful and pristine land our country has left.
What was the thinking? That it would disturb the mosquitos? Maybe camping nudists?
I really would want to know the reasoning.



Because some people have a crazy idea that Nature should be enjoyed in it's natural state, that it is not a narcissist  playground for personel assholery by thinking only of themselves and not the 3 million other people who come to enjoy the place without the need for a drone to take the same picture you can find online or in a dozen giftshops inside the park.
They tend to be the same people who hold conversations infront of busy doorways, stop their car in the middle of a busy road preventing passing them on the right when they are turning left and talk on a blue tooth loud enough to hear an echo.
 
2014-08-08 11:28:21 AM

jshine: 2) There is not sufficient lithium in the battery to threaten the existence of any species of bacteria in the hot spring. Could it kill a few individual bacterial cells near where it lands? Yes. Will all the various species of bacteria still be in the spring next week, next month, and next year (absent any other disaster)? Also, yes. I.e., no long-term threat.


It's damage that shouldn't be there. I can gouge out a 1 cubic centimeter piece of flesh from your chest. It's small and it'll heal, but it's still damage that shouldn't be there.
 
2014-08-08 11:32:01 AM

kyrg: Fiction Fan: Bullshiat that a drone can't be flown over some of the most beautiful and pristine land our country has left.
What was the thinking? That it would disturb the mosquitos? Maybe camping nudists?
I really would want to know the reasoning.

Because some people have a crazy idea that Nature should be enjoyed in it's natural state, that it is not a narcissist  playground for personel assholery by thinking only of themselves and not the 3 million other people who come to enjoy the place without the need for a drone to take the same picture you can find online or in a dozen giftshops inside the park.
They tend to be the same people who hold conversations infront of busy doorways, stop their car in the middle of a busy road preventing passing them on the right when they are turning left and talk on a blue tooth loud enough to hear an echo.


Also, there's a real danger in some areas of the park that you could crash the drone and hit someone.  Especially in a place like Yellowstone where people congregate around the more spectacular geysers and springs, it'd be easy to loose control of your drone and send it into a crowd of bystanders.
 
2014-08-08 11:40:36 AM
The likelihood of any one piece of garbage thrown in the spring significantly altering its chemical composition is pretty small. But lots of crap winds up in there every year, accidentally or on purpose, and there's the potential that it could add up.

Plus, it's aesthetic vandalism, akin to littering or carving your name into rocks or trees. The idea is to preserve some sense of the natural world while allowing people access to it. The park is already filled with roads, stores, hotels, porta potties, etc. to make it possible to let people see the sights. Don't make it worse by trashing the actual sights these other compromises make possible.
 
2014-08-08 12:04:46 PM

jshine: Ok, so for the sake of argument, let's actually do the math...  According to Wikipedia, the spring in question is about 250' x 300' x 160' deep -- assuming it's a simple cuboid, that gives a volume of 12000000 cubic feet or about 9 million gallons.  It discharges 560 gallons/minute, so the volume will be completely flushed every 11 days or so.

Now, lets say we introduce a 6 ounce (170g) lithium battery (and, for the sake of argument, we'll assume it's made of pure lithium -- because hey, why not?).  That's about 24.5 moles of lithium, diluted into 9 million gallons or 34068706 liters, for a concentration of 7.2 micromolar.  For reference, salt in seawater (i.e., sodium ion) is about 200,000x more concentrated than that.  Also, even in our calculation here, that represents an initial concentration.  Since this is a hot-spring, the water is constantly being flushed, so after a month or so, it'll be down to essentially zero.

I.e., "peeing in the ocean"


That still doesn't address the hunk of man-made materials inside the spring.
 
2014-08-08 12:12:26 PM

jshine: .I.e., "peeing in the ocean"
Look, if you want to be angry about something, go ahead. I won't try to stop you with any more science.

Need some more laws, do you? Funny, I've had you farkied as that kind of guy for quite a while already. But that's how it usually is with engineers--you all can figure out how to build a city on the bottom of the ocean, but you never figure in how to dispose of the waste. The only goal is to demonstrate how superior your brains are, never 'why would we want to do that in the first place, and what might be the consequences of doing it?'
 
2014-08-08 01:32:11 PM
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2014-08-08 01:44:11 PM

kyrg: Fiction Fan: Bullshiat that a drone can't be flown over some of the most beautiful and pristine land our country has left.
What was the thinking? That it would disturb the mosquitos? Maybe camping nudists?
I really would want to know the reasoning.


Because some people have a crazy idea that Nature should be enjoyed in it's natural state, that it is not a narcissist  playground for personel assholery by thinking only of themselves and not the 3 million other people who come to enjoy the place without the need for a drone to take the same picture you can find online or in a dozen giftshops inside the park.
They tend to be the same people who hold conversations infront of busy doorways, stop their car in the middle of a busy road preventing passing them on the right when they are turning left and talk on a blue tooth loud enough to hear an echo.


Oh yeah, I also forgot about the YNP tourists that are so excited to see wildlife that they stop their car in the middle of the damn road, pile out of it, and forget that it is now blocking all traffic behind it. Thanks, guys!
 
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