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(Politifact)   "It cost us more to shut the government down than to keep it open." - Rand Paul   (politifact.com) divider line 90
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2014-08-07 04:16:58 PM  
 "You know your government's dysfunctional if it costs more to shut it down than to keep it open, because we paid all these people."  - Rand Paul

Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.

It also costs more when someone temporarily 'shuts down their mortgage payments' However, that does not mean the banking system is dysfunctional.

There is still an argument to be made about the dysfunction of either, but not paying bills is not one of them.
 
2014-08-07 04:17:04 PM  
Sounds like liberal propaganda along the lines of "Iraq will end up a cesspool of inter-sectarian bloodshed and near chaos if we invade."

Nobody likes an I-told-you-so guy however.
 
2014-08-07 04:57:53 PM  
Even when he's right he's a f*cking idiot
 
2014-08-07 05:06:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Even when he's right he's a f*cking idiot


But he's just wrong for America.
 
2014-08-07 05:28:07 PM  
Yes, it does cost money to shut government down, Rand.

Now keep going with that logic chain. Here, I'll help...

The government shut down pushed exclusively by the GOP cost the US an estimated 24 billion dollars.

Thererefore the Teatards big plan to save America from rack and ruin by refusing to pay it's bills was not just a futile, stupid stunt it was actually dangerous, dumb and directly counter-productive to the stated goals of that group.

Ergo Teatard politicians should never be let any where near the levers of power until they can prove they know how to act like grownups.
 
2014-08-07 05:29:34 PM  
"Obvious" tag get furloughed?
 
2014-08-07 05:31:58 PM  
...so perhaps think of that the next time the "fiscally responsible" party gets in a snit...
 
2014-08-07 05:40:27 PM  

Clent: Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.


No, parts of it shut down. It would have cost less if furloughed employees weren't granted back pay, which was added after the shutdown started. Quite a few contractors didn't pay employees temporarily laid off during the shutdown when they came back (contractors were not guaranteed back pay).

The government was not under an obligation to pay the employees while they were furloughed (specific labor contracts notwithstanding) - that was a bonus added in after the fact. Interest on bills that weren't paid would have accrued, but it wouldn't have been as great as the back bill for the labor force when they returned. Essentially, the government paid extra for employees to do nothing during the shutdown.
 
2014-08-07 06:10:18 PM  
If I shut down my law firm, it would cost me more than keeping it open, because whether we're working or not, we still owe our goddamn rent and have to pay our employees.
 
2014-08-07 06:55:44 PM  
So, the blind hog finds a nut, and reaches the wrong conclusion from the experience.

Yep, that's our boy Rand.
 
2014-08-07 07:05:01 PM  

Lsherm: Clent: Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.

No, parts of it shut down. It would have cost less if furloughed employees weren't granted back pay, which was added after the shutdown started. Quite a few contractors didn't pay employees temporarily laid off during the shutdown when they came back (contractors were not guaranteed back pay).

The government was not under an obligation to pay the employees while they were furloughed (specific labor contracts notwithstanding) - that was a bonus added in after the fact. Interest on bills that weren't paid would have accrued, but it wouldn't have been as great as the back bill for the labor force when they returned. Essentially, the government paid extra for employees to do nothing during the shutdown.


Government employees really should have taken a financial hit so Republicans could be grand standing douchebags.
 
2014-08-07 07:10:52 PM  
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2014-08-07 07:12:24 PM  
Every once in a while, the blind squirrel finds a nut, what he does to it afterwards though, is another story altogether.
 
2014-08-07 07:15:29 PM  

Clent: "You know your government's dysfunctional if it costs more to shut it down than to keep it open, because we paid all these people."  - Rand Paul


Aren't there some engine and electrical devices that take more input energy in stopping and restarting than to continuously operate?  That's not an indication of a bad or inefficient or dysfunctional engine or device (maybe just the opposite, actually).  In any case, stopping and restarting the accounts payable department of the federal government doesn't show as much dysfunction as stopping it for childish reasons in the first place.
 
2014-08-07 07:17:57 PM  
So one of the guys who lead the charge for shutting down the government, and showed no remorse over doing so, is now complaining that shutting down the government was more expensive, when everyone told him as much before he voted to shut down the government?

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2014-08-07 07:20:28 PM  
Wasn't he one of the douche bags who were calling for the shutdown? I could be wrong so correct me if I am. But it wouldn't surprise me if he did and now is changing his tune, he has been doing that a lot in the last few weeks with stuff he has said in the past. Lately he has been backpedaling like a safety in a cover 2 defense.
 
2014-08-07 07:23:18 PM  
Everybody read the link that grumpfuff provided above.  In it, Rand says being against raising the debt ceiling was dumb and he'd do it again but hope for a different outcome.  Seriously.  That's the very definition of insanity and stupidity at the same time!
 
2014-08-07 07:23:41 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Lsherm: Clent: Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.

No, parts of it shut down. It would have cost less if furloughed employees weren't granted back pay, which was added after the shutdown started. Quite a few contractors didn't pay employees temporarily laid off during the shutdown when they came back (contractors were not guaranteed back pay).

The government was not under an obligation to pay the employees while they were furloughed (specific labor contracts notwithstanding) - that was a bonus added in after the fact. Interest on bills that weren't paid would have accrued, but it wouldn't have been as great as the back bill for the labor force when they returned. Essentially, the government paid extra for employees to do nothing during the shutdown.

Government employees really should have taken a financial hit so Republicans could be grand standing douchebags.


They shouldn't have (which is why the back pay was a bipartisan effort), but absent the furlough pay the extra cost of shutting down wouldn't have exceeded the savings, at least not until the lack of revenue collection caught up down the line. It's a massive part of the equation.
 
2014-08-07 07:25:10 PM  
Senator Paul is absolutely correct in his statement, as noted by PolitiFact. Therefore, the Democrats need to be held to account for shutting down the government last year.
 
2014-08-07 07:27:30 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Lsherm: Clent: Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.

No, parts of it shut down. It would have cost less if furloughed employees weren't granted back pay, which was added after the shutdown started. Quite a few contractors didn't pay employees temporarily laid off during the shutdown when they came back (contractors were not guaranteed back pay).

The government was not under an obligation to pay the employees while they were furloughed (specific labor contracts notwithstanding) - that was a bonus added in after the fact. Interest on bills that weren't paid would have accrued, but it wouldn't have been as great as the back bill for the labor force when they returned. Essentially, the government paid extra for employees to do nothing during the shutdown.

Government employees really should have taken a financial hit so Republicans could be grand standing douchebags.


Serves them right for being low-level bureaucratic functionaries! It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Form 2893-Stroke-J filled out in triplicate and someone will get back to you in two to four weeks!
 
2014-08-07 07:27:57 PM  
Some libertarians argue -- such as economist Jeff Dorfman for Forbes -- that just because the government didn't spend money for two weeks doesn't mean that the same amount of money didn't get spent elsewhere in the private sector, though he did not provide data or other proof that this was happening.

Yep that's some libertarian logic for you. If the government doesn't spend it, then the private sector will - Why? Because it's what the good book tells us. Libertarinism is a religion we don't need any proof!!!
 
2014-08-07 07:29:22 PM  
So then he did it and he even knew it would be bad for the nation?
 
2014-08-07 07:31:54 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Even when he's right he's a f*cking idiot

sociopathic asshole
 
2014-08-07 07:32:28 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-08-07 07:38:11 PM  
Join us tomorrow for another episode of "Incredibly Coherent Things Said by Incredibly Stupid People."
 
2014-08-07 07:40:18 PM  
It's almost as if ignoring your problems to live in a fantasy world is MORE costly that facing your problems and dealing with them responsibly.
 
2014-08-07 07:43:31 PM  
I'll make sure I vote against the people who caused the shutdown.  Thanks for enlightening me, Rand!
 
2014-08-07 07:48:20 PM  
Ted Cruz  is going to kick his ass.
 
2014-08-07 07:49:32 PM  

hubiestubert: ...so perhaps think of that the next time the "fiscally responsible" party gets in a snit...


I'm sure it will work the NEXT time we try it! Just because Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan were failures doesn't mean that Ukraine/Gaza/Sudan will be!

[replace operative nouns as needed]
 
2014-08-07 08:02:58 PM  
Shutting your mouth is free, you cock.
 
2014-08-07 08:06:00 PM  
Is there any conservative that isn't a tard?

Even when they say something correct by accident, it is of no consequence.
 
2014-08-07 08:11:29 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Shutting your mouth is free, you cock.


Hey, hey. Don't talk to Lsherm like that.
 
2014-08-07 08:15:48 PM  
FTFA: $500 million lost in visitor spending because of closed National Parks
for two weeks? this number seems really high, what the heck are people buying at the national parks? crack? gold?
 
2014-08-07 08:19:44 PM  
Some libertarians argue -- such as economist Jeff Dorfman for Forbes -- that just because the government didn't spend money for two weeks doesn't mean that the same amount of money didn't get spent elsewhere in the private sector, though he did not provide data or other proof that this was happening.

Sounds legibertarian.
 
2014-08-07 08:25:38 PM  
So, basically, the government shutdown didn't go the way the Teabaggers planned. According to Rand Paul that doesn't mean their plan was stupid and grounded in a fantasy version of how the government works but instead it proves they were right about government dysfunction all along.

Yeah, roll with that.
 
2014-08-07 08:27:53 PM  
Clent:Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.

You seem to be confusing the government shutdown which most certainly happened with a debt ceiling breach.  You also seem to be bad at analogies.
 
2014-08-07 08:36:52 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Ted Cruz  is going to kick his ass.


Parking lot C right after fifth period. I know I'll be there.....
 
2014-08-07 08:45:13 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: FTFA: $500 million lost in visitor spending because of closed National Parks
for two weeks? this number seems really high, what the heck are people buying at the national parks? crack? gold?


Golden crack, on every pillow, at every camp site.
 
2014-08-07 08:46:35 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Is there any conservative that isn't a tard?

Even when they say something correct by accident, it is of no consequence.


Oh, there are plenty. They're just mostly in the Democratic party.

/If you meant 'conservative' as a euphemism for 'Republican', then...also yes. Not ALL of them are stupid. Some are just assholes.
 
2014-08-07 08:47:09 PM  
But the important thing is that they Stuck It To The Libs, so it was worth every penny.
 
2014-08-07 08:57:24 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: FTFA: $500 million lost in visitor spending because of closed National Parks
for two weeks? this number seems really high, what the heck are people buying at the national parks? crack? gold?


Camping fees?
 
2014-08-07 08:58:06 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: FTFA: $500 million lost in visitor spending because of closed National Parks
for two weeks? this number seems really high, what the heck are people buying at the national parks? crack? gold?


401 national parks times however many daily visitors, times transportation cost, food, hotels/campsite fees, shopping, et cetera. Our economy is huge. Stop freaking out over big numbers being associated with it.
 
2014-08-07 09:01:30 PM  
Yes, Rand, and y'all got green eggs on your faces.
 
2014-08-07 09:02:56 PM  
Because things like security and maintenance are easier to do round the clock rather than fixed schedules.

Next thing you're going to tell me is if I never change my oil, the engine won't automatically explode at 3,001 miles.
 
2014-08-07 09:17:40 PM  
And then all the govt employees had to scramble to get caught up on the work that piled up and everybody stressed the f*ck out for months afterwards.

Thanks, Dick.
 
2014-08-07 09:19:05 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Some libertarians argue -- such as economist Jeff Dorfman for Forbes -- that just because the government didn't spend money for two weeks doesn't mean that the same amount of money didn't get spent elsewhere in the private sector, though he did not provide data or other proof that this was happening.

Sounds legibertarian.


He really convinced me because he couldn't provide any data to back up his point.
 
2014-08-07 09:26:13 PM  
The government didn't shut down for two weeks -- it shut down indefinitely. It took two weeks to discover what that "indefinitely" meant.

Unions in Europe strike for one day with sufficient warning. That is much more civilized than Ted Cruz's Wall Street profiting from an indeterminate shutdown.
 
2014-08-07 09:41:16 PM  
"You know your government's dysfunctional if it costs more to shut it down than to keep it open, because we paid all these people."

That's not dysfunctional, it's normal.  It's supposed to be pointlessly expensive to shut down an operation that big---and if you try, of course you'd find that you still have to pay a lot of people.

That's why you never see Intel or Ford shut itself down to save money.

I don't know what he expected to happen instead; I guess the fantasy is that someone pulls the plug and a libertarian paradise springs up.
 
2014-08-07 09:42:22 PM  

Clent: "You know your government's dysfunctional if it costs more to shut it down than to keep it open, because we paid all these people."  - Rand Paul

Because the government didn't actually shutdown, congress just refused to pay the bills. It's the equivalent of paying late fees.

It also costs more when someone temporarily 'shuts down their mortgage payments' However, that does not mean the banking system is dysfunctional.

There is still an argument to be made about the dysfunction of either, but not paying bills is not one of them.


Thank you. Done in f*cking one.

"Sen. Paul was making the point that the government never actually shut down during the so called 'shutdown,'" a spokesman told us. "Even though some government employees were furloughed, salaries were still paid for those who didn't work and government had to pay interest on late payments."
 
2014-08-07 10:11:28 PM  
They don't care about Government efficiency. They care about power and the funneling of Federal dollars to their supporters. This explains their behavior since Obama won in '08.
 
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