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(Roanoke Times)   Republican-controlled Election Board votes 2-1 to spare Virginia from the ravages of election fraud, which haven't actually been documented in the state but I think we can all agree would be quite ravaging   (roanoke.com) divider line 34
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2014-08-07 02:11:54 PM  
THAT WE KNOW OF.

Oh, they're out there. The hordes of ineligibile voters that are just dying to get to that voting booth and vote. Americans love to go to the voting booth on election day, and they'll be damned if some stupid law is going to stop them!
 
2014-08-07 02:19:55 PM  
You know, I hate voter ID laws as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.
 
2014-08-07 02:38:04 PM  

Lando Lincoln: THAT WE KNOW OF.

Oh, they're out there. The hordes of ineligibile voters that are just dying to get to that voting booth and vote. Americans love to go to the voting booth on election day, and they'll be damned if some stupid law is going to stop them!


Well obviously.

If you're going to rig an election it makes much more sense to involve tens of thousands of people in a vast conspiracy to commit a very easily detectable act of fraud then just pay off one voting machine company or a single official to 'find' a few more votes.
 
2014-08-07 02:38:48 PM  
32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.
 
2014-08-07 04:24:22 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.


*quizzicaldog.jpg*
 
2014-08-07 04:24:30 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.


Oh yeah, there's a whole lot of illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico into VA.
 
2014-08-07 04:25:08 PM  

nmrsnr: You know, I hate voter ID laws as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.


Does someone's face change that much in 5 years? I could show you my 17 year old driver's license and my picture ID now 20 years later and you'd still be able to tell I'm the same person.

For that matter, someone could look completely different than they did just a year ago, depending on how much meth they took or changes to hair.

And for that matter, if you really wanted to commit election fraud, why go through any of that when you could just as easily locate the voting machines, hack into them night before the election and f*ck with all the software?

Some people simply don't have birth certificates. Here's what they found in NC:

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/16/212664895/in-rural-n-c-new-voter-id-la w- awakens-some-old-fears

And something from that story:

But what do the data suggest? More than 300,000 registered voters in North Carolina could lack either a driver's license or a state ID, according to records from the State Board of Elections. And in Bertie County, almost 10 percent of all voters fall into that category, according to an analysis by Democracy North Carolina. Most of them are poor African-Americans.

In other words it disproportionately targets poor black people. We know how they tend to vote.

Many residents in Bertie County possess photo identification for food stamps, but that ID doesn't qualify under the new law. Supporters of the legislation say even if you don't have a valid photo ID, you can still vote absentee. But you need two witnesses to sign your ballot. And you have to fill out a county elections form.

That might not sound like a big deal, but Horton says that can be a real obstacle for poor people. You're talking about voters who don't have Internet access in their homes, who will need hand-holding to get a ballot.

She remembers after a tornado hit two years ago: "We had people from the storm - these same seniors - that had damages and all, and could apply for FEMA. But because they could not read or write, they didn't want to be bothered with the application process," Horton says.
So Horton says she expects a lot of people just won't bother to vote absentee, and they certainly won't bother applying for a North Carolina state ID just to vote - so they might never cast a ballot again.


Some can't read or write.

In short: just because you don't know them doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
2014-08-07 04:25:56 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.


32 million? WTF? I don't even.
 
2014-08-07 04:26:51 PM  
Don't they realize that this will disenfranchise the thousands of voters who may not have time enough to change the date and re-laminate the hundreds of fake I.D.'s they are using to vote for democrats like Robert Mcdonnell?
 
2014-08-07 04:31:36 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.


It's a smart comment from a smart poster.  I expect no less.
 
2014-08-07 04:34:55 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.


jokes on you, i'm not wearing any pants.
 
2014-08-07 04:36:47 PM  
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(Coming soon - ashtrays for motorcycles.)
 
2014-08-07 04:36:58 PM  
Republican-controlled Election Board

that's like saying;

waste management controlled restroom facility.
 
2014-08-07 04:37:21 PM  
For republicans the proof of voter fraud will be shown after they are allowed to stop it.. Oh look elections show a 25% decrease in voter activity, especially among low income voters.. my god it looks like voter fraud was out of control, I'm so glad we had the foresight to stop it
 
MFK
2014-08-07 04:38:21 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-08-07 04:40:18 PM  
1/3 the population of Mexico
 
2014-08-07 04:41:17 PM  
Why the fark are Elections Boards comprised of partisan politicians?
 
2014-08-07 04:41:32 PM  
I used to think that this fear of voter fraud was a cynical excuse to disenfranchise democratic voters.  I'm now becoming concerned that these Republicans genuinely refuse to admit that they are losing popularity and are blaming their failure on unproven fraud.  The old "nobody I know voted Democratic, therefore the winning Democrat must have cheated" argument.
 
2014-08-07 04:47:12 PM  

Isitoveryet: RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.

jokes on you, i'm not wearing any pants.


Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
2014-08-07 04:48:13 PM  
You know what I don't get? Republican-controlled state agencies push so hard to combat this sort of voter fraud, but did nothing when Diebold voting machines reported more Republican votes than people in some precincts or showed Republican majorities in precincts that were demographically overwhelmingly Democratic, and ignored the discrepancy between precincts that used paper ballots and those that used Diebold machines in Ohio.

It's almost as if they're not actually worried about voter fraud at all, but rather trying to make it harder for Democratic candidates to win elections. I know that can't be it, because that would be wrong, but it sure seems like it sometimes.
 
2014-08-07 04:51:44 PM  

shut_it_down: I used to think that this fear of voter fraud was a cynical excuse to disenfranchise democratic voters.  I'm now becoming concerned that these Republicans genuinely refuse to admit that they are losing popularity and are blaming their failure on unproven fraud.  The old "nobody I know voted Democratic, therefore the winning Democrat must have cheated" argument.


Oh, I think they are quite aware. It's more like 'we know we're losing the ideological battle so we're using every tactic possible to keep the majority out of power.' In the past they would go to their trusty wedge issues to get out the base, stuff like abortion, gun rights, and gay rights. They have fewer options to turn to now. Maybe marijuana. So this is left:

gerrymandering
voter ID requirements
reduce number of voting days

Many probably wish they could go back to the Poll Tax and literacy tests.

At some point I expect them to go full into election manipulation and fraud mode. Like that guy who threw out all those voter registration ballots. And hell that was just the one guy they caught.
 
2014-08-07 05:11:51 PM  

bdub77: shut_it_down: I used to think that this fear of voter fraud was a cynical excuse to disenfranchise democratic voters.  I'm now becoming concerned that these Republicans genuinely refuse to admit that they are losing popularity and are blaming their failure on unproven fraud.  The old "nobody I know voted Democratic, therefore the winning Democrat must have cheated" argument.

Oh, I think they are quite aware. It's more like 'we know we're losing the ideological battle so we're using every tactic possible to keep the majority out of power.' In the past they would go to their trusty wedge issues to get out the base, stuff like abortion, gun rights, and gay rights. They have fewer options to turn to now. Maybe marijuana. So this is left:

gerrymandering
voter ID requirements
reduce number of voting days

Many probably wish they could go back to the Poll Tax and literacy tests.

At some point I expect them to go full into election manipulation and fraud mode. Like that guy who threw out all those voter registration ballots. And hell that was just the one guy they caught.


Heh. The *LAST* thing the GOTP wants to try is a Literacy Test...

On the other hand, given their demonstrated stupidity, I should have said 'The last thing the GOTP *SHOULD* want instituted is a Literacy Test.'
 
2014-08-07 06:23:49 PM  

nmrsnr: You know, I hate voter ID laws as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.


The validity of a drivers license is related to your right to drive a car, not to vote. You're renewing your car driving license, not your ID.

An invalid car driving license works just fine to identify the bearer of the ID.
 
2014-08-07 06:26:17 PM  

nmrsnr: but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.


Why? Do you stop being you when your drivers license expires?
 
2014-08-07 06:31:18 PM  

spawn73: nmrsnr: You know, I hate voter ID laws as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.

The validity of a drivers license is related to your right to drive a car, not to vote. You're renewing your car driving license, not your ID.

An invalid car driving license works just fine to identify the bearer of the ID.


The Why Not Guy: nmrsnr: but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.

Why? Do you stop being you when your drivers license expires?


Because an expired license might be evidence of having left the address presented on the license, indicating ineligibility to vote in the precinct.

I think voter ID laws are stupid, but saying "since we're checking IDs, let's at least make sure they're valid" is not stupid.
 
2014-08-07 06:42:39 PM  

nmrsnr: Because an expired license might be evidence of having left the address presented on the license, indicating ineligibility to vote in the precinct.


Your terrifying scenario could happen with a valid license as well.
 
2014-08-07 07:03:39 PM  
Let me clarify. I don't consider someone voting in the wrong precinct to be a big deal, as long as they're a legally registered voter in the same jurisdiction. For example, if Connie Servative lives in Omaha's 4th Precinct but votes in the 5th Precinct because her expired license has a 5th Precinct address, I couldn't care less. I'm fine with making accommodations so she can vote.

Now if Libby McLiberal lives in Boston's 4th Precinct but she votes in Cambridge's 5th Precinct for the same reason, that's a different story, But that's more an out of date registration issue than an ID issue.

But in a practical sense, if Libby McLiberal can't get a current driver's license or other valid ID for whatever reason, I doubt she's going to travel to a difference city where she no longer lives to vote.

I dunno, I just don't see this as an issue.
 
2014-08-07 07:11:51 PM  

nmrsnr: spawn73: nmrsnr: You know, I hate voter ID laws as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.

The validity of a drivers license is related to your right to drive a car, not to vote. You're renewing your car driving license, not your ID.

An invalid car driving license works just fine to identify the bearer of the ID.

The Why Not Guy: nmrsnr: but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.

Why? Do you stop being you when your drivers license expires?

Because an expired license might be evidence of having left the address presented on the license, indicating ineligibility to vote in the precinct.

I think voter ID laws are stupid, but saying "since we're checking IDs, let's at least make sure they're valid" is not stupid.


That's true, didn't think about the address thing.

In general, I am quite clueless as to just how farked up USA is.

/me is from Denmark where the people in the voting both are members of political parties, and who're supplied with lists of who is elligeble to vote.
 
2014-08-07 07:45:13 PM  

RobertBruce: 32 million new illegal soon-to-be voters this year that have democrats splooging in their pants.


Y'all tried this same shiat back in the sixties. Didn't work then, won't work now.
The Right still has no plan as to what to do when the Boomers quit voting Republican, either because they are dead, too infirm to vote,or have realized that the GOP is not a friend to the elderly and poor.
It's the only important demographic they own - and in 15 years, it's gone.
So, have your stupid ID laws - they won't hurt or change anything.
 
2014-08-07 09:21:38 PM  
Since they can't ban voting in Northern Virginia, this is the next best thing?
 
2014-08-07 09:32:21 PM  
Proving my racial, anatomical and intellectual superiority yet again, I proudly possess a current photo ID and voter registration card.

A feat that apparently no darkie of any shade can possibly be expected to match.
 
2014-08-07 10:23:18 PM  

nmrsnr: spawn73: nmrsnr: You know, I hate voter ID laws as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.

The validity of a drivers license is related to your right to drive a car, not to vote. You're renewing your car driving license, not your ID.

An invalid car driving license works just fine to identify the bearer of the ID.

The Why Not Guy: nmrsnr: but it doesn't seem absurd to say we won't accept except IDs that are over a year expired as valid ID, as long as you are being absurd and requiring photo IDs to begin with.

Why? Do you stop being you when your drivers license expires?

Because an expired license might be evidence of having left the address presented on the license, indicating ineligibility to vote in the precinct.

I think voter ID laws are stupid, but saying "since we're checking IDs, let's at least make sure they're valid" is not stupid.


Except according to  http://sbe.virginia.gov/index.php/casting-a-ballot/in-person-voting/   a US passport which does not have any address on it is an acceptable ID.
 
2014-08-08 01:40:41 AM  

qorkfiend: Why the fark are Elections Boards comprised of partisan politicians?


The governor appoints the members but must appoint one from the opposition. So when a Republican is in office, it's 2:1 GOP. When a Democrat, 2:1 dem. This is probably something that will change next year.
 
2014-08-08 12:46:08 PM  
Subby said "ravage" twice.

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Subby likes ravaging, I guess.
 
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