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(Christian Science Monitor)   In a historic first, two members of the brutal Khmer Rouge regime have been tried for crimes against humanity and sentenced to life imprisonment, which, given the age of the defendants probably means about six months or so   (csmonitor.com) divider line 57
    More: Followup, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge, Cambodia, convictions, truth and justice, war crimes trials, Pol Pot, Maoists, life imprisonments  
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2014-08-07 01:44:42 PM  
Poor life choices and Mecha-Hitler were the reasons they did what they did.
 
2014-08-07 03:03:35 PM  
History first two members?
 
2014-08-07 03:04:15 PM  

mayIFark: History first two members?


Historic.

/Oh, the Irony
 
2014-08-07 03:05:43 PM  
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2014-08-07 03:08:40 PM  
How about just 5 minutes in a room with all the family members of the people they helped murder? So, a stadium, I guess.

Can't think of people who deserve the Mussolini treatment more.
 
2014-08-07 03:10:05 PM  
Khmer Rouge was a great man
 
2014-08-07 03:14:57 PM  
Too bad they didn't have a chance to reenact their killings on film before being convicted of their crimes.
 
2014-08-07 03:15:58 PM  
Finally a news source willing to throw off the liberal lame stream media's acceptance of Pot
 
2014-08-07 03:19:48 PM  

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2014-08-07 03:20:07 PM  
I thought Khmer Rouge was a movie with Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor.
 
2014-08-07 03:20:36 PM  
So we can expect imprisionment of Bush and Cheney's corpse around 2040.
 
2014-08-07 03:20:36 PM  
Wake me when you have Dick Cheney on the gallows.
 
2014-08-07 03:21:04 PM  
in related news, i refer to my cat as pol pot.

/ also, pinochet, and any other violent dictator i can think of
 
2014-08-07 03:22:35 PM  
If anything ever could prove the UN "international war crimes court" was a sad, sick joke, 35 years of delay with two total convictions for this genocide should be it.

Rwanda wasn't enough, Srebrenica wasn't enough, Chile & Argentina weren't enough, maybe this one will finally convince the world that the proper response to mad butchers is to storm in and put them down like rabid dogs and just farking stop the farking nightmare, instead of waiting for "international justice" that is so pathetic it's a satire.
 
2014-08-07 03:26:46 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: I thought Khmer Rouge was a movie with Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor.


Crappy movie...
/Better soundtrack
//Like Daredevil
 
2014-08-07 03:27:28 PM  
it's the only Rouge that says ....Khmer
 
2014-08-07 03:31:39 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: If anything ever could prove the UN "international war crimes court" was a sad, sick joke, 35 years of delay with two total convictions for this genocide should be it.

Rwanda wasn't enough, Srebrenica wasn't enough, Chile & Argentina weren't enough, maybe this one will finally convince the world that the proper response to mad butchers is to storm in and put them down like rabid dogs and just farking stop the farking nightmare, instead of waiting for "international justice" that is so pathetic it's a satire.


Instead of inviting them to dinner at the Whitehouse. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2718143/Obamas-monsters-ball-H ow-White-House-opened-doors-Africas-evil-dictators-homophobes-turned-b lind-eye-human-rights-record.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar ticle-2718143/Obamas-monsters-ball-H ow-White-House-opened-doors-Africas-evil-dictators-homophobes-turned-b lind-eye-human-rights-record.html
 
2014-08-07 03:32:01 PM  
Reunite them with the Plastic Bag Rouge

1.bp.blogspot.com

They're old friends.
 
2014-08-07 03:39:38 PM  
Something something Dead Kennedys reference
 
2014-08-07 03:40:39 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: I thought Khmer Rouge was a movie with Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor.


You're thinking of Moulin Rednecks, epic Louisiana hillbilly movie.
 
2014-08-07 03:41:32 PM  
Were these the guys that John Kerry and the CIA were delivering weapons to?

Because if so...
 
2014-08-07 03:41:53 PM  
Death of a thousand cuts would be OK.

New and improved with salt and lighter fluid.
 
2014-08-07 03:43:12 PM  
How the fark do commas work?
 
2014-08-07 03:44:31 PM  
...bad grammar babies... uhhh... FIST!
 
2014-08-07 03:49:26 PM  
I once gave a historic first two to this chick I knew who lived across the hall.
 
2014-08-07 03:51:08 PM  
"In a historic..."

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2014-08-07 04:00:03 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: If anything ever could prove the UN "international war crimes court" was a sad, sick joke, 35 years of delay with two total convictions for this genocide should be it.

Rwanda wasn't enough, Srebrenica wasn't enough, Chile & Argentina weren't enough, maybe this one will finally convince the world that the proper response to mad butchers is to storm in and put them down like rabid dogs and just farking stop the farking nightmare, instead of waiting for "international justice" that is so pathetic it's a satire.


http://youtu.be/H8ItGMtTCuY?t=19m32s

"... Stalin, killed many millions, died in his bed, well done there. Pol Pot, killed 1.7 milion Cambodians, died under house arrest, age 72, well done indeed. And the reason we let them get away with it is because they killed their own people. And we're sort of fine with that. Ah, help yourselves, you know. We've been trying to kill you for ages!  [...] Hilter killed people next door. Groan, stupid man. After a couple of years we won't stand for that, will we?"

I wish it wasn't true. The war crime court is only there to make us feel good. It's another sternly worded letter from an organism that doesn't have any actual power since it's built around a group of countries that neither want to get involved or are fighting each other directly or indirectly.
 
2014-08-07 04:03:15 PM  

flynn80: So we can expect imprisionment of Bush and Cheney's corpse around 2040.


Pol Pot did a hell of a lot worse crimes than Bush and Cheney. He killed 1/3 of his countrymen (2-3 million) in 2 years and turned them from a decent economy to a total shiathole economy. But keep parroting that talking point from MoveOn...
 
2014-08-07 04:06:33 PM  
Oh and there are still elements of the Khmer Rouge in power in Cambodian politics today. Awesome, huh?
 
2014-08-07 04:08:10 PM  

Kanemano: it's the only Rouge that says ....Khmer


Actually, I knew a vintner, a totally brilliant guy otherwise, that wanted to name one of his wines Khmer. He loved the culture, and just didn't think it all the way through. The silence around the table  with which this was received is probably one of the most awkward experiences I've ever been a part of. Finally, the anvil dropped, and we were treated to about three minutes of "Oh my God, no. I don't believe I did that." An excellent wine, luckily named something else, now.
 
2014-08-07 04:10:52 PM  

HalfOffOffer: I once gave a historic first two to this chick I knew who lived across the hall.


I once gave an historic fisting to two chick's across the street.
 
2014-08-07 04:16:53 PM  
My girlfriend had to flea Cambodia because of the Khmer Rouge so I'll have to see if she's getting a kick...

/Probably not.
//Too little, too late.
 
2014-08-07 04:19:11 PM  

machoprogrammer: Pol Pot did a hell of a lot worse crimes than Bush and Cheney. He killed 1/3 of his countrymen (2-3 million) in 2 years and turned them from a decent economy to a total shiathole economy. But keep parroting that talking point from MoveOn...


A war criminal is still a war criminal, does the severity really farking matter?
 
2014-08-07 04:20:05 PM  

flynn80: machoprogrammer: Pol Pot did a hell of a lot worse crimes than Bush and Cheney. He killed 1/3 of his countrymen (2-3 million) in 2 years and turned them from a decent economy to a total shiathole economy. But keep parroting that talking point from MoveOn...

A war criminal is still a war criminal, does the severity really farking matter?


Well you seem to not care that elements of the Khmer Rouge were captured, despite them being a lot worse than the war criminals in the other political team
 
2014-08-07 04:28:23 PM  

machoprogrammer: Well you seem to not care that elements of the Khmer Rouge were captured,


How the hell did you come to that conclusion?  I'm glad war criminals are in jail, just shouldnt take 30 farking years.
 
2014-08-07 04:29:16 PM  

machoprogrammer: flynn80: machoprogrammer: Pol Pot did a hell of a lot worse crimes than Bush and Cheney. He killed 1/3 of his countrymen (2-3 million) in 2 years and turned them from a decent economy to a total shiathole economy. But keep parroting that talking point from MoveOn...

A war criminal is still a war criminal, does the severity really farking matter?

Well you seem to not care that elements of the Khmer Rouge were captured, despite them being a lot worse than the war criminals in the other political team


i still don't understand, what war crimes did bush and cheney commit?

i don't want to defend them, it was not my favorite time for president and vice president. but, i still don't get this war crimes spiel.
 
2014-08-07 04:40:54 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i still don't understand, what war crimes did bush and cheney commit?

i don't want to defend them, it was not my favorite time for president and vice president. but, i still don't get this war crimes spiel.


Mass murder of Iraqi and Afghany civilians
 
2014-08-07 04:44:01 PM  
mainsail:

Kanemano: it's the only Rouge that says ....Khmer

Actually, I knew a vintner, a totally brilliant guy otherwise, that wanted to name one of his wines Khmer. He loved the culture, and just didn't think it all the way through. The silence around the table with which this was received is probably one of the most awkward experiences I've ever been a part of. Finally, the anvil dropped, and we were treated to about three minutes of "Oh my God, no. I don't believe I did that." An excellent wine, luckily named something else, now.


Yah, I think he should stick to white wines if he had gone that route.

*MAYBE* Khmer Rose or Blush.

machoprogrammer:

Oh and there are still elements of the Khmer Rouge in power in Cambodian politics today. Awesome, huh?

And that will be true until they die. That's one of the reason international crime courts are such paper tigers... If you set up a court based on the premise that nations have some sort of sovereignty, it gets a bit hard to argue that heads of state are breaking any laws.
 
2014-08-07 04:51:01 PM  

pute kisses like a man: in related news, i refer to my cat as pol pot.

/ also, pinochet, and any other violent dictator i can think of


And you don't call him Chairman Meow?
 
2014-08-07 04:51:43 PM  

flynn80: pute kisses like a man: i still don't understand, what war crimes did bush and cheney commit?

i don't want to defend them, it was not my favorite time for president and vice president. but, i still don't get this war crimes spiel.

Mass murder of Iraqi and Afghany civilians


Really? Geez the Hague should really get on that!
 
2014-08-07 04:55:16 PM  

highwayrun: pute kisses like a man: in related news, i refer to my cat as pol pot.

/ also, pinochet, and any other violent dictator i can think of

And you don't call him Chairman Meow?


oh, most definitely.  but, she does not prefer puns.
 
2014-08-07 04:58:33 PM  
To be honest, when I was in Cambodia, I thought that the fact that they decided to NOT prosecute war criminals, because that would be horribly dividing for a country (and because when both side use 12-years old children as fighters - both sides are war criminals), and instead went the way of forgiveness and reconciliation - it was a very good thing. It worked for them. I've talked with Cambodians about it, and I've got a feeling that the country and the people benefited from that.

It's kind of a pity if that experiment wouldn't work out. We (Eastern Europe) have multi-generational hate to spare, so an attempt at forgiveness appealed to me.
 
2014-08-07 04:59:33 PM  
First Khmer Rouge members being taken to court and tried. The country that invaded Cambodia as an easy way to try to screw with Minh and screwed up their country enough to make it possible for the Rouge to form goes untried, and not held responsible, even still.

YAY double standards!
 
2014-08-07 04:59:52 PM  

flynn80: machoprogrammer: Pol Pot did a hell of a lot worse crimes than Bush and Cheney. He killed 1/3 of his countrymen (2-3 million) in 2 years and turned them from a decent economy to a total shiathole economy. But keep parroting that talking point from MoveOn...

A war criminal is still a war criminal, does the severity really farking matter?


It's a generally agreed upon aspect of law, yes.
 
2014-08-07 05:00:55 PM  

vharshyde: First Khmer Rouge members being taken to court and tried. The country that invaded Cambodia as an easy way to try to screw with Minh and screwed up their country enough to make it possible for the Rouge to form goes untried, and not held responsible, even still.

YAY double standards!


China?

(Go look up the Vietnam-Cambodia war -- it was a proxy Russia-China war not much talked about in the west)
 
2014-08-07 05:14:31 PM  

flynn80: So we can expect imprisionment of Bush and Cheney's corpse around 2040.


You really need to get back on your meds.  Bush and Cheney eliminated the worst mass murderer since Pol Pot.

The lefties brainwashed by such sites as the Huffington Post forget that the WMD business was just a small part of why we went into Iraq.  The fact that Hussein had slaughtered anywhere up to 350,000 of his fellow countrymen was the primary reason.  As for the WMD and the moronic Bush lied meme, they found literally tons of WMD after the invasion.
 
2014-08-07 05:17:26 PM  

This text is now purple: flynn80: machoprogrammer: Pol Pot did a hell of a lot worse crimes than Bush and Cheney. He killed 1/3 of his countrymen (2-3 million) in 2 years and turned them from a decent economy to a total shiathole economy. But keep parroting that talking point from MoveOn...

A war criminal is still a war criminal, does the severity really farking matter?

It's a generally agreed upon aspect of law, yes.


non-lawyers seem to ignore that there needs to be a will to prosecute.   prosecutors generally have the discretion to control/direct their efforts.  so, being a worse criminal will get you on someone's radar faster.  conversely, being connected will keep you off the radar longer.

/ conclusion, in actuality, severity does matter.  there is a limit to prosecutorial resources.  severity will play a role in the allocation of those resources.  since life is finite, that means some will die before the resources ever get allocated.
 
2014-08-07 05:19:23 PM  
This text is now purple:

vharshyde: First Khmer Rouge members being taken to court and tried. The country that invaded Cambodia as an easy way to try to screw with Minh and screwed up their country enough to make it possible for the Rouge to form goes untried, and not held responsible, even still.

YAY double standards!

China?

(Go look up the Vietnam-Cambodia war -- it was a proxy Russia-China war not much talked about in the west)


That, and the war with Vietnam was pretty much the only thing that prevented Cambodia's race to slaughter every last one of it's people in a display of autogenocide.
 
2014-08-07 05:38:01 PM  
Did a GIS for Khmer Rouge killing fields, etc, with safe search off.  Odd thing is, when I found a picture (a gruesome one), I'd be able to see it, but every other pic in that "related" section clicked to a commemorative plaque from the killing fields, even though the pic was something different.  Weird.
 
2014-08-07 05:49:27 PM  
Melvin Lovecraft:

Did a GIS for Khmer Rouge killing fields, etc, with safe search off. Odd thing is, when I found a picture (a gruesome one), I'd be able to see it, but every other pic in that "related" section clicked to a commemorative plaque from the killing fields, even though the pic was something different. Weird.

There are a lot of killing fields. They're all over Cambodia. There's one just outside of town with the full tourist experience, it's kind of like US Civil war battlefields, you know how thousands dies all over, but there's only a few memorials? Start with "Tower of Skulls" and work outward, then move on to S21.
 
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