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2014-08-07 10:53:29 AM  
Joe never says he has a good heart, but Joe has a good heart. And a biatchin' TransAm.
 
2014-08-07 11:28:32 AM  
They will be our kids once they become citizens... until then, they are just visitors that exist here based on our good graces and hospitality.

As such, we should treat them with kindness and respect, but should they abuse our hospitality... they should be sent home.
 
2014-08-07 11:36:21 AM  
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It was decided previously that those aren't our kids.
They're someone else's kids that have wound up here because of a lot of bad policy making and unfortunate circumstance.

They need to be reunited with their families.  Then we can debate which nation they belong to.
 
2014-08-07 11:39:19 AM  

way south: [img.fark.net image 560x415]
It was decided previously that those aren't our kids.
They're someone else's kids that have wound up here because of a lot of bad policy making and unfortunate circumstance.

They need to be reunited with their families.  Then we can debate which nation they belong to.


I've thought the same thing...

Someday, if the conditions improve back in their home countries... are their parents going to sue to get them back?  They will just state their minor kids were runaways.
 
2014-08-07 11:39:58 AM  
FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.
 
2014-08-07 11:40:26 AM  
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2014-08-07 11:42:12 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.


Who takes care of the kids?
 
2014-08-07 11:42:54 AM  
"Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday that the United States will be judged by how it treats the thousands of young immigrants showing up on its border"

Steven Palazzo must have forgotten to cross out Matthew 25:31-46 in the copy of the Bible he sent him.
 
2014-08-07 11:47:09 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.


Because when our kids are in other countries, we want them to cooperate with sending them home.
 
2014-08-07 11:59:21 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.




Is it our right to decide what's best for someone else's child?
They can't live in an internment camp. At best they'll end up in foster care or worse if we can't get them back to their rightful homes.

The government doesn't take good care of children. It's going to screw this up if we don't send those kids back where they belong. If we let people use minors like a meal ticket, the situation will get far worse.

I understand that South America has problems, but children shouldn't be used as bargaining chips.
This is the wrong way to go about things. Send them back and let's discuss the problem properly.
 
2014-08-07 12:00:39 PM  

dwrash: way south: [img.fark.net image 560x415]
It was decided previously that those aren't our kids.
They're someone else's kids that have wound up here because of a lot of bad policy making and unfortunate circumstance.

They need to be reunited with their families.  Then we can debate which nation they belong to.

I've thought the same thing...

Someday, if the conditions improve back in their home countries... are their parents going to sue to get them back?  They will just state their minor kids were runaways.


Not following shiatty policies that foster the conditions that turn their countries into a war would be a nice first step.
 
2014-08-07 12:01:18 PM  
*into a war zone
 
2014-08-07 12:07:49 PM  
On his income tax and there just happens to be the maximum allowed; ten? Worked with a Mexican guy that told me about the Dependant thing. He thought sure he must have at least ten down there somewhere.
 
2014-08-07 12:10:14 PM  
Ted Cruz sure had funny looking bangs as a kid. Surprised he wasn't sent back.

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2014-08-07 12:30:25 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,



How's that national debt?
 
2014-08-07 12:35:46 PM  
How can they be my kids if I dint even have the fun of the sex?
 
2014-08-07 12:37:51 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.

Because when our kids are in other countries, we want them to cooperate with sending them home.


If we were in the midst of what's effectively a civil war between drug cartels and law enforcement, and the police couldn't keep our kids safe, I'd like to think that if we sent our kids to Canada that the Canadians would accept them and not turn them right back around towards the violence.

These kids aren't runaways, their parents are sending them off hoping for the chance they'll be able to actually live, they don't want them back under the current home conditions.

way south: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.

Is it our right to decide what's best for someone else's child?
They can't live in an internment camp. At best they'll end up in foster care or worse if we can't get them back to their rightful homes.

The government doesn't take good care of children. It's going to screw this up if we don't send those kids back where they belong. If we let people use minors like a meal ticket, the situation will get far worse.

I understand that South America has problems, but children shouldn't be used as bargaining chips.
This is the wrong way to go about things. Send them back and let's discuss the problem properly.


way south: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: At the same time, he said it's not feasible for the U.S. to let children stay here just because they would be better off in the U.S. than in their home countries.

Why is that?  We have the money, we have the space, it can be done.  Sure, there are some logistical challenges, especially with them being minors, but why should we back down because it may be challenging?

Let's stop pussyfooting around and take some action.

Is it our right to decide what's best for someone else's child?
They can't live in an internment camp. At best they'll end up in foster care or worse if we can't get them back to their rightful homes.

The government doesn't take good care of children. It's going to screw this up if we don't send those kids back where they belong. If we let people use minors like a meal ticket, the situation will get far worse.

I understand that South America has problems, but children shouldn't be used as bargaining chips.
This is the wrong way to go about things. Send them back and let's discuss the problem properly.


I agree that the camps aren't a good permanent solution, and neither is foster care.

I'd suggest building boarding schools and placing them there.  Teach them English and the normal school curriculum for kids their age, bring them up to par as needed, culturally integrate them into our society, and grant them full citizenship upon graduation.

Those same schools could also help end generational poverty for current citizens - take the kids out of the constant foster rotation and place them there, take kids who are perpetually failing or truant and whose parents refuse to take action and place them there.

Make it a place where you go in as an immigrant or miscreant and come out as an upstanding productive citizen.

As far as the parents go, try to find them, and fast track them through the legal immigration channels to bring them here.  Once they can support themselves they can have the option of having their kid returned to them.
 
2014-08-07 12:38:32 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,


How's that national debt?


As irrelevant as always.
 
2014-08-07 12:43:20 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,


How's that national debt?

As irrelevant as always.



At what point does this stop?  Since when did we become the world's orphanage?

F*ck it...there is so much suffering in the world, let's take everyone in from third world countries.
 
2014-08-07 12:49:07 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,


How's that national debt?

As irrelevant as always.


At what point does this stop?  Since when did we become the world's orphanage?

F*ck it...there is so much suffering in the world, let's take everyone in from third world countries.


Why not?   Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.  Embrace it instead of driving it underground.  Set up programs to teach and integrate new immigrants, get them started on the right path, and make them citizens who will work hard, pay taxes, and grow our economy.
 
2014-08-07 12:56:57 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.



Not when we have this welfare state that people seek to mooch off of.

I want the absolute best and brightest to come here, and you will never hear me say that we need to cut off legal immigration.

But it is absolute insanity that we're going to take in thousands if not millions of people with no skills.
 
2014-08-07 12:58:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,


How's that national debt?

As irrelevant as always.


At what point does this stop?  Since when did we become the world's orphanage?

F*ck it...there is so much suffering in the world, let's take everyone in from third world countries.

Why not?   Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.  Embrace it instead of driving it underground.  Set up programs to teach and integrate new immigrants, get them started on the right path, and make them citizens who will work hard, pay taxes, and grow our economy.


Yup.. but it was always controlled.  With few exceptions, you had to have a sponsor or place to live before they let you in... you also had to spend time in quarantine in the old days so you did not bring in a contagion.

I'm very pro-immigration, but common sense dictates that it needs to be done in a controlled manner.
 
2014-08-07 01:02:01 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.


Not when we have this welfare state that people seek to mooch off of.

I want the absolute best and brightest to come here, and you will never hear me say that we need to cut off legal immigration.

But it is absolute insanity that we're going to take in thousands if not millions of people with no skills.


We can teach them skills. Hell, we can do a much better job teaching our own impoverished people useful skills.

The kids will be easy to teach, especially with my boarding school idea (plus that would create a ton of jobs).  Many of the adults have skills already - we need tradesmen in many parts of the country.
 
2014-08-07 01:04:35 PM  

dwrash: Yup.. but it was always controlled. With few exceptions, you had to have a sponsor or place to live before they let you in... you also had to spend time in quarantine in the old days so you did not bring in a contagion.

I'm very pro-immigration, but common sense dictates that it needs to be done in a controlled manner.


Seconded.

/Grandparents and Dad immigrated legally back in the late 1940s.
 
2014-08-07 01:05:25 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: We can teach them skills. Hell, we can do a much better job teaching our own impoverished people useful skills.



I'll support that if the federal government pays me back for everything I spent on college.
 
2014-08-07 01:06:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.


Not when we have this welfare state that people seek to mooch off of.

I want the absolute best and brightest to come here, and you will never hear me say that we need to cut off legal immigration.

But it is absolute insanity that we're going to take in thousands if not millions of people with no skills.

We can teach them skills. Hell, we can do a much better job teaching our own impoverished people useful skills.

The kids will be easy to teach, especially with my boarding school idea (plus that would create a ton of jobs).  Many of the adults have skills already - we need tradesmen in many parts of the country.



Let's be honest:

If the vast majority of these illegals were likely to vote for Republicans once they became legal citizens, I doubt you and many like you would be as enthusiastic about bringing them over.
 
2014-08-07 01:08:50 PM  

dwrash: TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,


How's that national debt?

As irrelevant as always.


At what point does this stop?  Since when did we become the world's orphanage?

F*ck it...there is so much suffering in the world, let's take everyone in from third world countries.

Why not?   Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.  Embrace it instead of driving it underground.  Set up programs to teach and integrate new immigrants, get them started on the right path, and make them citizens who will work hard, pay taxes, and grow our economy.

Yup.. but it was always controlled.  With few exceptions, you had to have a sponsor or place to live before they let you in... you also had to spend time in quarantine in the old days so you did not bring in a contagion.

I'm very pro-immigration, but common sense dictates that it needs to be done in a controlled manner.


The boatloads full of Germans, Italians, and Irish that came over way back when all had sponsors?

Putting some controls in place is fine, I'm not saying we should just send the border guards home and leave the door open.  Giving medical checkups and doing criminal background checks upon entry is a good place to start.  We also need to track them, and Make sure they're all enrolled in a program to get them going on the right track here.
 
2014-08-07 01:13:07 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.


Not when we have this welfare state that people seek to mooch off of.

I want the absolute best and brightest to come here, and you will never hear me say that we need to cut off legal immigration.

But it is absolute insanity that we're going to take in thousands if not millions of people with no skills.

We can teach them skills. Hell, we can do a much better job teaching our own impoverished people useful skills.

The kids will be easy to teach, especially with my boarding school idea (plus that would create a ton of jobs).  Many of the adults have skills already - we need tradesmen in many parts of the country.


Let's be honest:

If the vast majority of these illegals were likely to vote for Republicans once they became legal citizens, I doubt you and many like you would be as enthusiastic about bringing them over.


I can't say I'd be in favor of admitting sociopaths en masse, no.

In all seriousness though, these are people the Republicans should be drooling over.  Many come from strong Christian backgrounds, they're family oriented, and desperately want to work hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.  They could be model Republicans if the Republicans weren't so intent on calling them awful names, pointing guns at them, and in general being as nasty to them as possible.
 
2014-08-07 01:15:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: In all seriousness though, these are people the Republicans should be drooling over. Many come from strong Christian backgrounds, they're family oriented, and desperately want to work hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. They could be model Republicans if the Republicans weren't so intent on calling them awful names, pointing guns at them, and in general being as nasty to them as possible.



Unfortunately, Dems buy their votes with welfare.
 
2014-08-07 01:17:14 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: and desperately want to work hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps



And yes, many do....but there are also a significant number who want to mooch off of our welfare system.
 
2014-08-07 01:35:05 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: Immigration helped make our country great, and it will continue to do so in the future.


Not when we have this welfare state that people seek to mooch off of.

I want the absolute best and brightest to come here, and you will never hear me say that we need to cut off legal immigration.

But it is absolute insanity that we're going to take in thousands if not millions of people with no skills.

We can teach them skills. Hell, we can do a much better job teaching our own impoverished people useful skills.

The kids will be easy to teach, especially with my boarding school idea (plus that would create a ton of jobs).  Many of the adults have skills already - we need tradesmen in many parts of the country.


Let's be honest:

If the vast majority of these illegals were likely to vote for Republicans once they became legal citizens, I doubt you and many like you would be as enthusiastic about bringing them over.


To be honest... you are delusional... and a partisan hack.  I could care less which party they vote for.

You just had to bring the derp to the party.. didn't you?
 
2014-08-07 01:42:59 PM  

Wyalt Derp: "Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday that the United States will be judged by how it treats the thousands of young immigrants showing up on its border"

Steven Palazzo must have forgotten to cross out Matthew 25:31-46 in the copy of the Bible he sent him.



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2014-08-07 01:44:16 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: We have the money,


How's that national debt?


It was manageable before Bush Jr ran it up with 2 wars and the bank bailouts due to the economic crash on his watch.
 
2014-08-07 01:46:36 PM  

dwrash: To be honest... you are delusional... and a partisan hack


lol
 
2014-08-07 01:51:04 PM  

The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: and desperately want to work hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps


And yes, many do....but there are also a significant number who want to mooch off of our welfare system.


Come visit Miami and spend some time in Little Havana.  The Cubans have been given refugee status once they make it here for decades, and very few of them are sitting around collecting benefits.

People aren't coming here to live at the poverty level - they want the American Dream the same as natural born citizens do.

Any time you have a Argentina enough group its inevitable that you'll have some moochers and miscreants, but by and large the Latin immigrant population is here to do things the right way.  I see Mexican, Carribean, and Latino immigrants working a lot of hard punishing jobs or starting up small business like restaurants and landscaping services far more often than I see them lazing around.  I see more Florida Crackers sitting around on their asses complaining about not being able to find a job (while somehow still driving a lifted pickup with 37" swampers) than I do Hispanic immigrants in that position.
 
2014-08-07 01:53:37 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The_Sponge: TuteTibiImperes: and desperately want to work hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps


And yes, many do....but there are also a significant number who want to mooch off of our welfare system.

Come visit Miami and spend some time in Little Havana.  The Cubans have been given refugee status once they make it here for decades, and very few of them are sitting around collecting benefits.

People aren't coming here to live at the poverty level - they want the American Dream the same as natural born citizens do.

Any time you have a Argentina enough group its inevitable that you'll have some moochers and miscreants, but by and large the Latin immigrant population is here to do things the right way.  I see Mexican, Carribean, and Latino immigrants working a lot of hard punishing jobs or starting up small business like restaurants and landscaping services far more often than I see them lazing around.  I see more Florida Crackers sitting around on their asses complaining about not being able to find a job (while somehow still driving a lifted pickup with 37" swampers) than I do Hispanic immigrants in that position.


Aegentina = large, damn auto correct.

/also it's and businesses while I'm at it.
 
2014-08-07 02:26:46 PM  
So, racially, he's pretty cool?
 
2014-08-07 02:32:49 PM  
Biden has children outside of the US...that means he went overseas, had a sex change,
got pregnant, and gave birth more than once?  (Either that, or Joan Rivers had some premonition
back in 1978 when she made the movie "Rabbit Test".)
 
2014-08-07 02:49:13 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I agree that the camps aren't a good permanent solution, and neither is foster care.

I'd suggest building boarding schools and placing them there.  Teach them English and the normal school curriculum for kids their age, bring them up to par as needed, culturally integrate them into our society, and grant them full citizenship upon graduation.

Those same schools could also help end generational poverty for current citizens - take the kids out of the constant foster rotation and place them there, take kids who are perpetually failing or truant and whose parents refuse to take action and place them there.

Make it a place where you go in as an immigrant or miscreant and come out as an upstanding productive citizen.

As far as the parents go, try to find them, and fast track them through the legal immigration channels to bring them here.  Once they can support themselves they can have the option of having their kid returned to them.


You're still treating them as if you found a box of puppies.  Theres no guarantee we'll do a better job raising them here than their home nation will do. Even if we can't find their parents these kids are citizens of other nations in the end and they've been displaced.

Whatever reason they've been sent here is just the start of a larger humanitarian crisis unless we can change what's going on in their home countries. First step tho is to get them back home to their equivalent of child services. They need to be housed in a place that understands their language and culture and has a chance of getting them home.

Whoevers taking kids and packing them off to the border alone needs to know this is an unconscionable act and it isn't going to give them any advantages.


/Yea, sure, if that's all impossible then I suggest we send them to military boarding school and start training a south american invasion force.
/One way or another we resolve the problem in ten years.
 
2014-08-07 04:21:56 PM  

The_Sponge: But it is absolute insanity that we're going to take in thousands if not millions of people with no skills.


It is even more insane to have hundreds of people with no skills RUNNING the government.
 
2014-08-07 05:17:12 PM  

way south: Theres no guarantee we'll do a better job raising them here than their home nation will do.


But it's pretty likely. They're coming from countries with a homicide rate 10 times that of the US. A civilian is more likely to be murdered in El Salvador, Guatemala, or Honduras than in Iraq at the height of the war.

The surge in violence is quite real, and hard for us to imagine. Neighboring countries (Belize, Costa Rica, Nicaragua) have seen a 432% increase in asylyum requests.

Civil authority is pretty weak in those countries. A study earlier this year interviewed 322 refugee children from those three countries. Most fled because of actual violence or very strong fears of it happening. The police are widely considered useless - 16 said they had gone to the police. Eight of those children said the police refused to write a report, six said nothing happened after they came forward, and two said they had received increased threats.

Read the study, I think you'll decide that yes, we can obviously do better than where they're living, and no, foster care will not be such a terrible thing.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/no_childho od _here_why_central_american_children_are_fleeing_their_homes_final.pdf
 
2014-08-07 05:21:39 PM  
Meanwhile, in Central America.


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