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(Washington Post)   James Cameron: "We will serve no wine before its time, and I would be pretty stupid to run off and start shooting 'Avatar' until the scripts are perfect." So he went to the bottom of the ocean instead   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-08-07 08:02:19 AM  
I know "Pocahontas II: Journey to a new world" was terrible and wait straight to video, he has to find other source material.
 
2014-08-07 08:34:28 AM  
Actually, a sequel to Avatar presents some interesting problems.

First, two facts from the Avatar universe:
1. The speed of light is the same so communications between Earth and Pandora take approximately 4 years one-way.
2. The journey itself takes 6 years.

So, the stay-behinds can send a bunch of messages back to Earth detailing how bad the company was treating the indigenous population, and they will get there long before the people sent back can effectively reply.

That's because it takes 4 years for the message to get to Earth, at which point the spaceship taking back the defeated Earthers is still 1.5 light years from Earth, so it's kind of pointless to ask them what their side of the story is via radio because by the time you get an answer, they'll be close enough.

It also means that even if the Earth had a space armada ready to go to re-invade Pandora once they got word of a problem, it would still take 4 + 6 = 10 years *MINIMUM* for them to get there, from the time the warning was first sent to the time they arrive in orbit around Pandora.

Of course, that doesn't account for the ships "in the pipeline", or in transit to Pandora when the troubles started, or launched in the 4 years between when the troubles started and when Earth gets the first message stating that Pandora is lost to the blue monkeys.  But those ships would be carrying minimal military equipment:  Mostly just spare parts, supplies, and maybe a couple replacement suits and/or vehicles to account for normal attrition due to crashes, etc.  Not enough to re-invade with, at least not initially.

Having said that, the Earthicans have a major advantage that the Navi and few humans left don't have, and can't possibly effectively answer:  They can simply drop rocks on Pandora.

From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.
 
2014-08-07 10:05:04 AM  
Meh. Let him do his own thing. If he wants to be an explorer at the bottom of the ocean, let him. If he wants to take the rest of his life to write 3 lines of dialog for Avatar II: The Wrath of Man, let him.
 
2014-08-07 10:13:14 AM  
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron.

James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron IS James Cameron.
 
2014-08-07 10:14:17 AM  
biatch all you want about Cameron, but his expedition into the marianas trench was hardcore.  When was the last time some other film maker spent his millions to go to one of the most dangerous places on Earth to push the boundaries of exploration and science?
 
2014-08-07 10:20:12 AM  
You would have thougth by now they would have been at least part 4 the way he was talking about them a few years ago.
 
2014-08-07 10:20:50 AM  

dittybopper: From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.


img.fark.net
I know that doesn't negate your point.  Just a cool, semi-relevant picture.
 
2014-08-07 10:22:15 AM  

Dhusk: biatch all you want about Cameron, but his expedition into the marianas trench was hardcore.  When was the last time some other film maker spent his millions to go to one of the most dangerous places on Earth to push the boundaries of exploration and science?


Preach. Better to know he's doing things like that instead of buying then tearing down multimillion dollar homes just to build his own, different multimillion dollar home.
 
2014-08-07 10:26:26 AM  

Dhusk: biatch all you want about Cameron, but his expedition into the marianas trench was hardcore.  When was the last time some other film maker spent his millions to go to one of the most dangerous places on Earth to push the boundaries of exploration and science?


Absolutely, also read between the lines "I make the Hollywood movies to pay for the exploration", Translation, "When i can't fund another trip I'll make Avatar II the bluing"
 
2014-08-07 10:31:14 AM  
Most overrated director and a terrible writer. I bet he calls George Lucas for dialogue advise.
 
2014-08-07 10:32:43 AM  
Uh huh. Because script quality is soooooooo important to James Cameron.

Now, if you'll excuse, I must consult an ophthalmologist. My eyes won't stop rolling.
 
2014-08-07 10:33:19 AM  
I just watched Abyss again this past weekend. All I kept thinking was "Man, remember when James Cameron made cool movies?"
 
2014-08-07 10:43:35 AM  
The life forms living in the trench are probably weirder than anything even the most active imagination could come up with. I would rather see footage of them than an Avatar sequel.
 
2014-08-07 10:44:16 AM  

BigLuca: dittybopper: From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.

[img.fark.net image 650x375]
I know that doesn't negate your point.  Just a cool, semi-relevant picture.


What's the actual story behind that? And I don't mean the right wing derposphere story.
 
2014-08-07 10:50:36 AM  

DecemberNitro: Dhusk: biatch all you want about Cameron, but his expedition into the marianas trench was hardcore.  When was the last time some other film maker spent his millions to go to one of the most dangerous places on Earth to push the boundaries of exploration and science?

Preach. Better to know he's doing things like that instead of buying then tearing down multimillion dollar homes just to build his own, different multimillion dollar home.


Thirded. I cannot find fault with a rich man who uses his money for the pursuit of science and films it so others can get excited about science.
 
2014-08-07 10:51:23 AM  
I want to go to the Washington Navy yard and check out the Trieste, been meaning to do it for a while.
 
2014-08-07 10:51:58 AM  
You know who else went to the bottom of the sea?

img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-08-07 10:52:18 AM  

MithrandirBooga: I just watched Abyss again this past weekend. All I kept thinking was "Man, remember when James Cameron made cool movies?"


With a defibrilator scene just so you could have a look at Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio's tits.
 
2014-08-07 11:00:06 AM  

asquian: BigLuca: dittybopper: From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.

[img.fark.net image 650x375]
I know that doesn't negate your point.  Just a cool, semi-relevant picture.

What's the actual story behind that? And I don't mean the right wing derposphere story.


Not a good one.  It's just an art project.
 
2014-08-07 11:05:06 AM  
Colbert had a great line to him the other day: "How does it feel to be the first person to litter the Mariana Trench?"
 
2014-08-07 11:20:03 AM  
Michelle Rodriguez was really hot in the first one.  Of course they had to kill her.
 
2014-08-07 11:20:13 AM  
i wonder if the avatar sequels will ever get made.  seems like cameron is just teasing the fans and saying "oh yeah we're working on a script, gonna start filming any day now, i promise" when he really has no intention of making another one.  he knows that the hype will simply be too much, and the film will disappoint people no matter how good it is, and even if it makes 2 billion dollars, that won't be enough.  if he wanted to make a sequel, he probably already would have.  he seems like the kind of creative perfectionist who works on whatever project interests him at the moment, and he's clearly not that interested in making another avatar.
 
2014-08-07 11:20:23 AM  
God who gives a flying fark?  It will come out, it will pump a shiat-ton of money out of worldwide pockets, then go back to being completely forgotten.  Big farking whoop.
 
2014-08-07 11:27:59 AM  
Worked for us...
static.guim.co.uk
 
2014-08-07 11:29:36 AM  

BigLuca: asquian: BigLuca: dittybopper: From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.

[img.fark.net image 650x375]
I know that doesn't negate your point.  Just a cool, semi-relevant picture.

What's the actual story behind that? And I don't mean the right wing derposphere story.

Not a good one.  It's just an art project.


Eh, it's still a pretty cool art project. Shame there isn't some cool story about flying over a tribe of never before seen native people trying to bring down the strange bird, but oh well.
 
2014-08-07 11:39:27 AM  

EvilEgg: I know "Pocahontas II: Journey to a new world" was terrible and wait straight to video, he has to find other source material.


pixcdn.posterrevolution.com
 
2014-08-07 11:41:41 AM  

asquian: BigLuca: asquian: BigLuca: dittybopper: From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.

[img.fark.net image 650x375]
I know that doesn't negate your point.  Just a cool, semi-relevant picture.

What's the actual story behind that? And I don't mean the right wing derposphere story.

Not a good one.  It's just an art project.

Eh, it's still a pretty cool art project. Shame there isn't some cool story about flying over a tribe of never before seen native people trying to bring down the strange bird, but oh well.


Yeah, I'm not seeing someone from a stone age tribe shooting an arrow that high and accurately. Besides, they'd all snap the moment he landed and bounced on the ground.

Pretty cool art project, though.
 
2014-08-07 12:01:39 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, a sequel to Avatar presents some interesting problems.

First, two facts from the Avatar universe:
1. The speed of light is the same so communications between Earth and Pandora take approximately 4 years one-way.
2. The journey itself takes 6 years.

So, the stay-behinds can send a bunch of messages back to Earth detailing how bad the company was treating the indigenous population, and they will get there long before the people sent back can effectively reply.

That's because it takes 4 years for the message to get to Earth, at which point the spaceship taking back the defeated Earthers is still 1.5 light years from Earth, so it's kind of pointless to ask them what their side of the story is via radio because by the time you get an answer, they'll be close enough.

It also means that even if the Earth had a space armada ready to go to re-invade Pandora once they got word of a problem, it would still take 4 + 6 = 10 years *MINIMUM* for them to get there, from the time the warning was first sent to the time they arrive in orbit around Pandora.

Of course, that doesn't account for the ships "in the pipeline", or in transit to Pandora when the troubles started, or launched in the 4 years between when the troubles started and when Earth gets the first message stating that Pandora is lost to the blue monkeys.  But those ships would be carrying minimal military equipment:  Mostly just spare parts, supplies, and maybe a couple replacement suits and/or vehicles to account for normal attrition due to crashes, etc.  Not enough to re-invade with, at least not initially.

Having said that, the Earthicans have a major advantage that the Navi and few humans left don't have, and can't possibly effectively answer:  They can simply drop rocks on Pandora.

From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.   ...



Eventually the good guys have to win right? But who's going to be the new hero when Quaritch died in the first one
 
2014-08-07 12:20:09 PM  

enderthexenocide: i wonder if the avatar sequels will ever get made.  seems like cameron is just teasing the fans and saying "oh yeah we're working on a script, gonna start filming any day now, i promise" when he really has no intention of making another one.  he knows that the hype will simply be too much, and the film will disappoint people no matter how good it is, and even if it makes 2 billion dollars, that won't be enough.  if he wanted to make a sequel, he probably already would have.  he seems like the kind of creative perfectionist who works on whatever project interests him at the moment, and he's clearly not that interested in making another avatar.


I'm pretty sure Cameron is committed to making the sequels. Disney is putting a freaking Avatar Land into Disney World and I don't think they would put that much into a major renovation without being certain of public interest being driven by new movies.
 
2014-08-07 01:10:30 PM  

Tom_Slick: Absolutely, also read between the lines "I make the Hollywood movies to pay for the exploration", Translation, "When i can't fund another trip I'll make Avatar II the bluing"


s1.ibtimes.com

/oblig
 
2014-08-07 01:18:15 PM  
No, no, not IN the ocean. INSIDE the ocean.  In the heaviest, deepest, most brutal part.

www.cbc.ca

We need to go deeper...
 
2014-08-07 01:28:15 PM  

Precision Boobery: No, no, not IN the ocean. INSIDE the ocean.  In the heaviest, deepest, most brutal part.

[www.cbc.ca image 620x308]

We need to go deeper...


www.fernbyfilms.com

Deeper, Chief.
 
2014-08-07 04:17:33 PM  
dittybopper:

It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.

Because that method was so effective in Vietnam.

/Curtis LeMay wanted to bomb Vietnam back to the Stone Age
//nobody told him most of the country wasn't very far past it anyway
 
2014-08-07 05:25:09 PM  

puckrock2000: dittybopper:

It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.

Because that method was so effective in Vietnam.

/Curtis LeMay wanted to bomb Vietnam back to the Stone Age
//nobody told him most of the country wasn't very far past it anyway


Which is kind of my point.
 
2014-08-07 05:36:40 PM  

dittybopper: puckrock2000: dittybopper:

It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.

Because that method was so effective in Vietnam.

/Curtis LeMay wanted to bomb Vietnam back to the Stone Age
//nobody told him most of the country wasn't very far past it anyway

Which is kind of my point.


Wait a minute:  Not actually my point.

My point was that there would be no way for the Na'vi to retaliate in kind, and given their predilection for living in fairly large-ish villages (some in trees, some not),  the only real strategy the Na'vi could adapt is to break into smaller groups and become nomadic.  But that's a purely defensive strategy that doesn't cause the humans any harm whatsoever, while in the meantime they are taking at least some casualties.

It's kind of like us bombing the Ho Chi Minh trail:  we killed people, and destroyed equipment, but because it was a distributed system instead of a concentrated one we couldn't stop it that way.

Likewise, the humans couldn't wipe out all of the Na'vi without actually completely destroying the surface of Pandora, *BUT* they could certainly re-occupy small parts of it on a temporary basis, get  some unobtainium, and, and hustle back to orbit if necessary.   Do it in an irregular pattern, and the Na'vi can't concentrate fast enough.

Or, the Humans could do it underwater.  I assume, because I saw it in the film, that Pandora has a number of oceans, and probably some deserts too, where humans could mine with relative ease and not have to worry about retaliation.
 
2014-08-07 06:07:35 PM  
Avatar was not a great movie, but was an amazing theatergoing experience. It was too successful not to make sequels, but i wish Cameron were working on Battle Angel instead...
 
2014-08-07 07:19:00 PM  
Ever since I heard that he did it, I've been looking forward to this documentary about his trip into the Mariana Trench. It's an interesting subject that he knows a lot about, and Cameron never half-asses the technical side of his films, so I expect that it's going to be a very cool documentary to watch, especially in 3D. Ghosts of the Abyss was very good, but had too much Bill Paxton imo.
 
2014-08-07 08:47:00 PM  

Safari Ken: Ghosts of the Abyss was very good, but had too much Bill Paxton imo.


Yeah Ghosts of the Abyss was really good and I didn't mind Bill Paxton. He gave off a vibe the whole time of "I'd really rather not be doing this, but when James Cameron tells you to get in a sub and go to the bottom of the sea, you do what James Cameron tells you."
 
2014-08-07 10:02:37 PM  

dittybopper: Precision Boobery: No, no, not IN the ocean. INSIDE the ocean.  In the heaviest, deepest, most brutal part.

[www.cbc.ca image 620x308]

We need to go deeper...

[www.fernbyfilms.com image 426x232]

Deeper, Chief.


i79.photobucket.com

Deeper and deeper
 
2014-08-08 02:38:02 AM  

dittybopper: Having said that, the Earthicans have a major advantage that the Navi and few humans left don't have, and can't possibly effectively answer:  They can simply drop rocks on Pandora.

From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.


At the same time, this isn't the earth military doing the fighting, but a corporate mercenary company that was likely only authorized to defend the mining operations, only to have the local commander and company executive get over zealous in their desire to mine the unobtanium. Even if Earth is a bit of a shiathole that really needs the resources to support the population's needs, what happened in the first movie is going to be a PR disaster for the company already once word gets back to the scientific community on Earth. If they double down and start committing genocide against the first sentient alien life discovered and hopelessly wrecking the ecosystem by causing huge clouds of dust to block out the sun, it's going to stir up an incredible shiatstorm.

It would be like Academi going in and just nuking a town in Iraq on the behalf of Exxon to take their oil supplies. There's a lot of shiat you can get away with when the public is not looking, especially 4 light years away, but there's some lines that a corporation can't cross without serious blowback.
 
2014-08-08 02:57:53 AM  

Tax Boy: James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron.

James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron IS James Cameron.


James Cameron is the James Cameron that James Cameron deserves, but not the James Cameron that James Cameron needs right now. So James Cameron will hunt for the James Cameron that James Cameron needs in the Marianas Trench. Because James Cameron can afford it."
 
2014-08-08 07:17:51 AM  

Mad_Radhu: dittybopper: Having said that, the Earthicans have a major advantage that the Navi and few humans left don't have, and can't possibly effectively answer:  They can simply drop rocks on Pandora.

From orbit, they could shoot dumb projectiles at the surface, using targeting information derived by satellite.  It's kind of like if we went to war with a stone age tribe in Borneo by dropping bombs on them with B-29's.  They just simply couldn't effectively retaliate.

At the same time, this isn't the earth military doing the fighting, but a corporate mercenary company that was likely only authorized to defend the mining operations, only to have the local commander and company executive get over zealous in their desire to mine the unobtanium. Even if Earth is a bit of a shiathole that really needs the resources to support the population's needs, what happened in the first movie is going to be a PR disaster for the company already once word gets back to the scientific community on Earth. If they double down and start committing genocide against the first sentient alien life discovered and hopelessly wrecking the ecosystem by causing huge clouds of dust to block out the sun, it's going to stir up an incredible shiatstorm.

It would be like Academi going in and just nuking a town in Iraq on the behalf of Exxon to take their oil supplies. There's a lot of shiat you can get away with when the public is not looking, especially 4 light years away, but there's some lines that a corporation can't cross without serious blowback.


That was kind of hinted at in the first film, where Selfridge says the following:

Killing the indigenous looks bad, but 
there's one thing shareholders hate more 
than bad press -- and that's a bad 
quarterly statement. Find me a carrot to 
get them to move, or it's going to have 
to be all stick.


 Just one problem with that:  The company controls *EVERYTHING*.  There is no government, and no competitor that can possibly leak the information to make them look bad, as they apparently have a monopoly.

That means they control the means of communication back to Earth.

Which also means that they in all likelihood control the communication station back on Earth.

Now, we're talking about sending data 4 light years.  That requires a significant investment in equipment and physical structure.  It's not the sort of thing you would do on a whim, and if a company has a monopoly on Unobtanium, then it really doesn't pay a competitor to monitor them, because, well, there *ARE* no competitors.

So really, the company in this case could keep everything hushed up with a relatively small amount of effort, at least for a while.

Certainly, for the 2 or so years between when they first get warning that something has gone wrong, and the last of the Unobtanium shipments arrive, they could keep it under wraps.
 
2014-08-08 05:54:23 PM  
Why does he think quality matters for Avatar?  He could alter the script of Terminator 3 to suit the universe and still bank more than the first.  Audiences are no less dumb than they were the first time, and likely moreso.
 
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