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(NewsBusters)   88% of FoxNews.com readers support the right for people to carry guns in public...oh, sorry.. I meant MSNBC.com readers   (newsbusters.org) divider line 548
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2014-08-07 10:41:28 AM  

Publikwerks: I don't care if people carry. I care they they know how to do it safely and effectively.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]These two assholes are using their rifles as protest signs. Any unarmed person could easily get the jump on them, and turn their protest signs against them. They aren't treating their weapons with the respect they require.

I bet both of them have have broken muzzle discipline, and pointed their weapons at people(even just their feet).


Hell, it wouldn't be that tough to come up behind someone with a back-slung rifle and release their magazine before they could react.
 
2014-08-07 10:42:02 AM  

bdub77: "Do you support firearms?"
"Yes."
"How about like if I was hunting some deer."
"Sure."
"Or like shooting some pheasants with a gun."
"Yeah that's fine."
"Or like public carry at the gun range."
"Sure."
"Do you support public carry of firearms?"
"I suppose."
"How about like I'm on the street, just walking around with a weapon."
"Well, umm, I guess that's OK."
"How about like at the mall or grocery store?"
"Why do you need a gun at the mall?"
"Just in case one of them uppity blacks starts shooting people."
"What?
"OK, what if I had a large assault-style rifle, a big barreled gun in your supermarket?"
"I don't know."
"It's semi-automatic. It's not a REAL assault rifle hahaha. It's not an uzi. Come on. Just me. You know me. Hypothetically."
"Umm."
"What if I was at a bar. You know, I'd never drink at a bar, I'd just be walking around with my assault rifle making sure no fights break out."
"Huh?"
"What about if I brought it to your place of work?"
"I think we should stop talking."
"How about if I was at your kid's school? With a gun, you know, on my person. It could be a pistol. I have to admit it'd probably be a big ol assault rifle though."
"No, God no."
"How about if I came over for dinner and I had a big gun on me."
"I don't like where this is heading."
"What about if I was in your closet, carrying a firearm, while you were sleeping? You know, for protection."
"I don't want to talk to you anymore."
"Fine lady. What if I had it held up to your head sort of sideways like?"
"Go away from me!"
"What if I shot you in the face and blood spattered all over your head but I needed to because the apocalypse came and Jesus had returned for the Rapture and the world was all Mad Max and only the strong survive so f*ck everyone! WHAT THEN?"


Wow, you live in some weird fantasy world.
 
2014-08-07 10:42:47 AM  
im glad handguns are illegal here in Canada, but i still would never go to the states without one.
 
2014-08-07 10:43:28 AM  

Lord_Baull: It's almost as if MSNBC readers, let's refer to them as 'liberals' for the point of this discussion, aren't willing to take away all your guns.


I tend to be on the liberal side but often watch Fox News to see what the conservatives are spewing. I never watch MSNBC.
 
2014-08-07 10:43:33 AM  
Yeah, they do, appropriately.

What they get nervous about is when an armed group of protestors walk into a restaurant or store and get belligerent when asked to leave.
 
2014-08-07 10:44:06 AM  

enry: You can call it a hit piece, but that doesn't change the basic facts, which you have yet to refute with any amount of evidence.  If the NRA were really representative of its members it would be in favor of background checks for all gun sales, which is supported by 74% of NRA members.  But NRA leadership is firmly against that.  Who stands to lose from reduced gun sales?


Not the gun manufacturers: all new guns *MUST* be sold through an FFL, who is required by federal law to do a background check.  All their guns that they make and sell have a background check done on them already.  It's already a requirement for them.

It's only *USED* guns, which the gun manufacturers don't make money off of, that don't require a federal background check unless they are bought/sold through an FFL.

Look, I recognize that your ideology is not letting you see the truth of the matter, but just step outside that for a moment and listen to what we are telling you:  We aren't challenging your entire world-view, just this tiny sliver of it, and we're providing you with direct evidence that your impression of the situation is wrong.

Now, it's almost certain that your view is "received wisdom", or at least I hope that's what it is:  You didn't arrive at it on your own after careful reflection of the facts,  but you have heard it repeated ad nauseum in your social and political circles, so to you it's not questionable at all.  It's absurd that anyone should think otherwise, because OF COURSE the NRA is merely a tool for the gun industry to influence politics.  All the evidence you see just confirms what you already believe, even evidence to the contrary.

But the actual reality is different.  When a pissing match erupts between the gun industry and its customers, the NRA sides with the customers, because it is an organization that is composed of customers.  That almost never happens anymore, though, because after the Smith and Wesson debacle in 2000, the firearms industry knows who the boss is.  They don't dictate policy to the NRA, the NRA dictates policy, or at least cowes them into keeping their mouth shut and toeing the party line of the most vocal part of its membership.
 
2014-08-07 10:44:51 AM  

BMulligan: dittybopper: The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the lobbying group that represents firearms manufacturers.  The NRA is the lobbying group of gun *OWNERS*.

Repetition isn't argument. No matter how many times you repeat your claim, it remains nonsense.


You misquoted ditty, he's not the one claiming that the NRA is the lobbying arm of the gun industry.

At best gun manufacturers are neutral on banning private sales.  They would actually stand to benefit if there was a ban on private sales, it would drive more people out of the secondary market and into gun stores.
 
2014-08-07 10:45:10 AM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: Wow, you live in some weird fantasy world.


Yes it's called America 2014.
 
2014-08-07 10:47:03 AM  
When can we start denying government assistance to people that spend money on guns and ammo?

It's clear that they have plenty of money.
 
2014-08-07 10:47:15 AM  

Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.


Congratulations on missing the point like a champ.  Of COURSE most progressives favor Second Amendment right, no matter how many times you've heard otherwise.  What we DON'T favor is walking around with any kind of ordinance you can afford.

No, we don't have a problem with people open carrying a handgun for protection.  Yes, we do have a problem with people walking around with long guns because they desperately want attention.  These people SAY that they're protection their civil liberties, but the videos that they insist on making any time that there's a conflict prove that their rights are secure and maybe they should quit whining about how Barry X Taxbongo, Buttface-in-Chief Who Smells Like Butt is going to take them away.
 
2014-08-07 10:47:28 AM  

born_yesterday: Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.

Jesus Christ; laying it on a little thick in the profile, aren't you?


From his profile: "Remember, you get more cooperation with a gun and a smile than you do just the smile alone!"

What a great world to live in.
 
2014-08-07 10:48:32 AM  

sweetmelissa31: sprawl15: grokca: Liberals, now in prog form.

it's like regular liberal but with a bunch of noodly guitar solos that go nowhere

Where are my 360 degrees of drums Obama


the right of the people to play snares, toms, shall not be infringed.
 
2014-08-07 10:49:04 AM  
 
2014-08-07 10:49:05 AM  

BitwiseShift: Here in Texas you can buy your gun in the same store you buy your beer. And they don't sell coffins. But they do sell condoms. Almost one stop shopping for that first date with a Goth.


In Georgia they call that Walmart.
 
2014-08-07 10:49:08 AM  

AngryDragon: I'm also aware that the constant drive by many liberals to enact more gun laws, despite the country clearly being in favor of the lawful ownership and carrying of them, has a parallel.  That parallel is the retarded push to ban and restrict abortion and other reproductive rights by many conservatives.

They are both the law of the land.  The people have spoken, let's move on.


That's what I said after the Dred Scott decision.
 
2014-08-07 10:49:18 AM  

BMulligan: dittybopper: The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the lobbying group that represents firearms manufacturers.  The NRA is the lobbying group of gun *OWNERS*.

Repetition isn't argument. No matter how many times you repeat your claim, it remains nonsense.


When NPR and Bloomberg say the nra doesn't rep gun manufacturers, you'd think people would be more receptive.

Right now the repetition without support is saying that the nra support the gun manufacturers despite multiple boycotts organized against them by the nra.
 
2014-08-07 10:49:20 AM  

moeburn: im glad handguns are illegal here in Canada, but i still would never go to the states without one.


Really? I live in a city on the South Coast of MA. 5 times the national average for violent crime. Lived here most of my life. Owned firearms since I was about 18. I've never felt the need to carry any weapon around with me when out and about in the city.

Your brain is the best self-defense weapon you have.
 
2014-08-07 10:49:33 AM  

bdub77: AngryDragon: You have lost.  Get over it.

[jpfo.org image 500x377]

One of the great things about our country is that we can change laws. And the world is ever so slowly moving away from violence as a means to an end.

So. Get over it.


Constitutionally guaranteed individual right.  SCOTUS says so.  You OK with passing a law to eliminate abortion?  How about universal sufferage?  The civil rights act?  Those are now interpreted as the law of the land, yet idiots keep trying to pass laws to challenge and restrict law abiding citizens from exercising these rights.

Gun grabbers are doing the same thing.  You are railing against majority opinion and SCOTUS precedent.  All the while firearms laws get more liberal (ironically).  Pretty soon you will all need tin foil hats.
 
2014-08-07 10:50:39 AM  

enry: If you go out and ask a dozen random people who represents gun manufacturers, you'll get over eight that say it's the NRA and maybe one or two that has heard of the NSSF.


So, fact is established by the near unanimous consent of the ignorant masses?  Interesting.  Does this apply to all fact or just ones that you are mistaken about but really really really want to believe?
 
2014-08-07 10:51:12 AM  

Fark It: qorkfiend: You are asserting that the NRA does not encourage behavior that is of direct benefit to gun manufacturers?

The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) is an American nonprofit organization whose primary mission is "[to] protect and defend the Constitution of the United States...", especially the right to keep and bear arms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

No, and neither does the NRA.


Please.  All NRA propaganda agents talk about is your right to buy firearms.  They're protecting the ones you have is secondary to making sure you buy more.
 
2014-08-07 10:51:56 AM  

Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.


As a Coloradan, Fark the NRA and the donkey show they rode in on. From coming to town after Columbine to fighting against the ability of psychiatrists to stop mentally unstable people from getting guns to fighting universal background checks, fark you in every way imaginable. I have a gun, and I like it very much... my roomate also as a gun, and he likes his very much... background checks were not cumbersome, and in the event that I become mentally incapacitated, I WANT someone to take the damn gun away.

You jackasses are protecting murderers and the insane, at the expense of law-abiding, gun-owning citizens. You are to gun rights what WBC is to traditional heterosexual marriages... you're so farking over-zealous and unreasonable that you're turning all sane and rational people against you.
 
2014-08-07 10:52:15 AM  

Fark It: They would actually stand to benefit if there was a ban on private sales, it would drive more people out of the secondary market and into gun stores.


Not necessarily. But it would be a boon for dealers who would charge a fee to handle the transfer unless they just come up with a tax scheme that would allow me to transfer a weapon to you directly with a call to NICS myself. I'm honestly surprised bureaucrats aren't pushing for this in that funding for the NICS system would probably have to quadruple.
 
2014-08-07 10:52:26 AM  
dittybopper:But the actual reality is different.  When a pissing match erupts between the gun industry and its customers, the NRA sides with the customers, because it is an organization that is composed of customers.  That almost never happens anymore, though, because after the Smith and Wesson debacle in 2000, the firearms industry knows who the boss is.  They don't dictate policy to the NRA, the NRA dictates policy, or at least cowes them into keeping their mouth shut and toeing the party line of the most vocal part of its membership

So you're saying that the NRA dictates policy to the gun manufacturers.  Interesting.  Please tell me more.
 
2014-08-07 10:52:34 AM  

Fark It: BMulligan: dittybopper: The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the lobbying group that represents firearms manufacturers.  The NRA is the lobbying group of gun *OWNERS*.

Repetition isn't argument. No matter how many times you repeat your claim, it remains nonsense.

You misquoted ditty, he's not the one claiming that the NRA is the lobbying arm of the gun industry.

At best gun manufacturers are neutral on banning private sales.  They would actually stand to benefit if there was a ban on private sales, it would drive more people out of the secondary market and into gun stores.


I quoted him correctly. Read it again.

redmid17: BMulligan: dittybopper: The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the lobbying group that represents firearms manufacturers.  The NRA is the lobbying group of gun *OWNERS*.

Repetition isn't argument. No matter how many times you repeat your claim, it remains nonsense.

When NPR and Bloomberg say the nra doesn't rep gun manufacturers, you'd think people would be more receptive.

Right now the repetition without support is saying that the nra support the gun manufacturers despite multiple boycotts organized against them by the nra.


And yet those manufacturers continue to provide significant financial support. Go figure.
 
2014-08-07 10:52:44 AM  

Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".


Wow, do you realize how idiotic you sound with this?
 
2014-08-07 10:52:51 AM  

enry: The magazines, though, are chock-full of gun industry ads.


Holy Crap Batman, a magazine called American Rifleman has shooting sports related ads in it!111ONE!!!111

How the fark did that happen!

Oh, the humanity!!!
 
2014-08-07 10:53:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: When can we start denying government assistance to people that spend money on guns and ammo?

It's clear that they have plenty of money.


My guns and ammo save me several thousands of bucks a year.  The meat I fill my freezer up with has paid for my guns and ammo many times over.
 
2014-08-07 10:53:55 AM  

The Lone Gunman: Of COURSE most progressives favor Second Amendment right


I'm a liberal, maybe even a progressive, and even I think that's bullshiat.  Unless your definition of a "true" progressive includes acknowledging and supporting the 2nd Amendment.  I wouldn't say that most "progressives" are against the 2nd Amendment, but it seems a lot of them have this idea in their head about the kind of person the average gun owner is, the way they vote, etc., that is entirely fueled by what they read on Tumblr, Facebook, and HuffPo.
 
2014-08-07 10:54:44 AM  

Click Click D'oh: enry: The magazines, though, are chock-full of gun industry ads.

Holy Crap Batman, a magazine called American Rifleman has shooting sports related ads in it!111ONE!!!111

How the fark did that happen!

Oh, the humanity!!!


Well, Sports Illustrated doesn't have steroid ads!!!!!
 
2014-08-07 10:54:57 AM  

Click Click D'oh: enry: If you go out and ask a dozen random people who represents gun manufacturers, you'll get over eight that say it's the NRA and maybe one or two that has heard of the NSSF.

So, fact is established by the near unanimous consent of the ignorant masses?  Interesting.  Does this apply to all fact or just ones that you are mistaken about but really really really want to believe?


It's the liberal way.
 
2014-08-07 10:55:11 AM  

rewind2846: What he is not is some second amendment nutjob who has to make up for a lack of adequate genitalia with a gun.


<Summon Dittybopper>
 
2014-08-07 10:55:19 AM  

Rwa2play: Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Wow, do you realize how idiotic you sound with this?


Obviously not.
 
2014-08-07 10:55:32 AM  

Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.


www.btchflcks.com
 
2014-08-07 10:55:58 AM  

HeadLever: HotWingConspiracy: When can we start denying government assistance to people that spend money on guns and ammo?

It's clear that they have plenty of money.

My guns and ammo save me several thousands of bucks a year.  The meat I fill my freezer up with has paid for my guns and ammo many times over.


I take that to mean you're not receiving government assistance. I'm not sure what your point was.
 
2014-08-07 10:56:03 AM  
Amending the Constitution to enshrine firearm ownership as a basic human right, or at least creating an amendment that could be interpreted as doing such, is probably the most short-sighted thing the Founding Fathers (peace be upon them) ever did.  And yes, I'm counting the slavery stuff.
 
2014-08-07 10:57:38 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.

I'm a liberal gun-owner, have been for over 10 years and I support gun control. I will never, EVER join or give the NRA a single penny.


Pretty much this; I love to misconception amongst conservatives that liberals are all a) "anti-gun" and/or b) that if those on the left had a chance we'd knock the 2nd Amendment out of the Constitution.

Newsflash for you inhabitants in the echo chamber:

1) A lot of us "liberals", "progressives" are for the 2nd Amendment and would continue to support it.
2) The difference between us is that we're not advocating a return to the Wild farkin' west that Mr. Trailtrader seems to imply.
 
2014-08-07 10:57:46 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: born_yesterday: Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.

Jesus Christ; laying it on a little thick in the profile, aren't you?

From his profile: "Remember, you get more cooperation with a gun and a smile than you do just the smile alone!"

What a great world to live in.


I wonder about thread-poopers like this.  Do they even bother to read the thread afterwards?  Read it and masturbate?  Or do they even not give a shiat at all and just switch alts and move on to the next thread about to be greenlit to get it ready for outrage?
 
2014-08-07 10:57:56 AM  

Marquis de Sod: Wellon Dowd: Trailltrader: Prog's ...

Progs?

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Yes, Progs

38.media.tumblr.com

R.I.P POGS

 
2014-08-07 10:58:40 AM  

HeadLever: HotWingConspiracy: When can we start denying government assistance to people that spend money on guns and ammo?

It's clear that they have plenty of money.

My guns and ammo save me several thousands of bucks a year.  The meat I fill my freezer up with has paid for my guns and ammo many times over.


Yah, and fishing rods too. If you have a nice functional fishing pole you clearly have plenty of money too. LOL
 
2014-08-07 10:58:58 AM  

Latinwolf: From that link:

Finances
Less than half of the NRA's income is from membership dues and program fees. The majority is from contributions, grants, royalties, and advertising, and the firearms industry.


"Contributions" also includes individual members who send extra contributions to the NRA-ILA because their membership and program fees to the NRA itself aren't allowed to be transferred over to the NRA-ILA, which is the political lobbying arm of the NRA.

Ask any NRA member, and they'll tell you they get solicited regularly by the NRA-ILA for a separate donation for just that very reason.

In fact, if you're a member of the NRA and you don't send in any money other than your membership fees, none of your money goes to lobbying at all.  It just goes to the part of the NRA most people don't think exists anymore:  The part that does safety and marksmanship training, gives grants to gun ranges to upgrade and improve their facitilies, etc.
 
2014-08-07 10:59:17 AM  
You know what's funny... when I try to track the famous "74% of NRA members.. " poll back to it's roots... I get this:

http://everytown.org/mayorshtml/public_opinion/public_opinion.shtml

 Hmm...
 
2014-08-07 10:59:37 AM  

Great_Milenko: All NRA propaganda agents talk about is your right to buy firearms.


Strawman:  That took all of about two seconds to find
 
2014-08-07 10:59:40 AM  

Great_Milenko: Fark It: qorkfiend: You are asserting that the NRA does not encourage behavior that is of direct benefit to gun manufacturers?

The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) is an American nonprofit organization whose primary mission is "[to] protect and defend the Constitution of the United States...", especially the right to keep and bear arms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

No, and neither does the NRA.

Please.   All NRA propaganda agents talk about is your right to buy firearms.  They're protecting the ones you have is secondary to making sure you buy more.


If the antis didn't go after that right too then maybe the NRA wouldn't harp on it as much...

Click Click D'oh: enry: The magazines, though, are chock-full of gun industry ads.

Holy Crap Batman, a magazine called American Rifleman has shooting sports related ads in it!111ONE!!!111

How the fark did that happen!

Oh, the humanity!!!


This proves that the NRA is in the pocket of the gun industry!  Which is not what I'm arguing!  Only that the NRA doesn't represent its members!  Think of the little guy!  Like Bloomberg.
 
2014-08-07 10:59:41 AM  

firefly212: Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.

As a Coloradan, Fark the NRA and the donkey show they rode in on. From coming to town after Columbine to fighting against the ability of psychiatrists to stop mentally unstable people from getting guns to fighting universal background checks, fark you in every way imaginable. I have a gun, and I like it very much... my roomate also as a gun, and he likes his very much... background checks were not cumbersome, and in the event that I become mentally incapacitated, I WANT someone to take the damn gun away.

You jackasses are protecting murderers and the insane, at the expense of law-abiding, gun-owning citizens. You are to gun rights what WBC is to traditional heterosexual marriages... you're so farking over-zealous and unreasonable that you're turning all sane and rational people against you.


It sounds like you have anger issues. Maybe someone should take your gun away.
 
2014-08-07 11:00:31 AM  

Fark It: BMulligan: dittybopper: The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the lobbying group that represents firearms manufacturers.  The NRA is the lobbying group of gun *OWNERS*.

Repetition isn't argument. No matter how many times you repeat your claim, it remains nonsense.

You misquoted ditty, he's not the one claiming that the NRA is the lobbying arm of the gun industry.

At best gun manufacturers are neutral on banning private sales.  They would actually stand to benefit if there was a ban on private sales, it would drive more people out of the secondary market and into gun stores.


They don't *DARE* say it, though, because they know it would piss off the gun buying public, and they don't want to be on the receiving end of a boycott like Smith and Wesson.
 
2014-08-07 11:00:55 AM  

Lee451: dookdookdook: Conservatives are highly overrepresented online, even on "liberal" sites.  Something about near total anonymity seems to attract people who love to spout hateful, anti-social garbage.


Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again. And you still don't believe it.

Told what?  That we must be pants-shiattingly terrified of everything and everybody in the world around us at all times and spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to arm ourselves against the infinitesimal chance that something bad will happen to us that guns could solve instead of make worse?

Yes, Fark is a perfect example of Conservatives being over represented online......


Only if you count the alts.
 
2014-08-07 11:01:01 AM  

OregonVet: HeadLever: HotWingConspiracy: When can we start denying government assistance to people that spend money on guns and ammo?

It's clear that they have plenty of money.

My guns and ammo save me several thousands of bucks a year.  The meat I fill my freezer up with has paid for my guns and ammo many times over.

Yah, and fishing rods too. If you have a nice functional fishing pole you clearly have plenty of money too. LOL


Right, just like a refrigerator.
 
2014-08-07 11:01:35 AM  

AngryDragon: Constitutionally guaranteed individual right.  SCOTUS says so.  You OK with passing a law to eliminate abortion?  How about universal sufferage?  The civil rights act?  Those are now interpreted as the law of the land, yet idiots keep trying to pass laws to challenge and restrict law abiding citizens from exercising these rights.

Gun grabbers are doing the same thing.  You are railing against majority opinion and SCOTUS precedent.  All the while firearms laws get more liberal (ironically).  Pretty soon you will all need tin foil hats.


The problem is that the goal of the amendment and where it has gone are in two different universes. The writers of the bill of rights(being from Virginia) were concerned about the federal government banning slavery. So they wanted to make sure they had an escape clause, because with alot of the manufacturing and financial power concentrating in the north,they were afraid that a powerful Federal government would bow to the money interests and ban slavery.

So they wanted to make sure that they could cede from the union if it happened, and what good is throwing a revolution if you don't have any party favors(guns)?

However, they weren't worried about Virgina banning guns. They weren't worried about any state banning guns. However, the 14th amendment changed all that, making Constitutional constraints apply to states.

So here we are.

Gun control is such a state issue, it's just ridiculous. Federal law can't hope to deal with this correctly, because what America's face in Alaska is on a completely different universe that what what they do in NYC.
 
2014-08-07 11:02:14 AM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: firefly212: Trailltrader: Prog's have been told this over and over again.  And you still don't believe it.

OK so lets try this real world example: someone in your family gets mugged, and afterwards you think "Gee, if I'd only had a gun".

Welcome to the NRA, we've been protecting your firearm rights since 1889, and we're the oldest civil rights organization in the world.

As a Coloradan, Fark the NRA and the donkey show they rode in on. From coming to town after Columbine to fighting against the ability of psychiatrists to stop mentally unstable people from getting guns to fighting universal background checks, fark you in every way imaginable. I have a gun, and I like it very much... my roomate also as a gun, and he likes his very much... background checks were not cumbersome, and in the event that I become mentally incapacitated, I WANT someone to take the damn gun away.

You jackasses are protecting murderers and the insane, at the expense of law-abiding, gun-owning citizens. You are to gun rights what WBC is to traditional heterosexual marriages... you're so farking over-zealous and unreasonable that you're turning all sane and rational people against you.

It sounds like you have anger issues. Maybe someone should take your gun away.


Thanks for proving the point of some people on this thread.
 
2014-08-07 11:02:53 AM  

AngryDragon: bdub77: AngryDragon: You have lost.  Get over it.

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One of the great things about our country is that we can change laws. And the world is ever so slowly moving away from violence as a means to an end.

So. Get over it.

Constitutionally guaranteed individual right.  SCOTUS says so.  You OK with passing a law to eliminate abortion?  How about universal sufferage?  The civil rights act?  Those are now interpreted as the law of the land, yet idiots keep trying to pass laws to challenge and restrict law abiding citizens from exercising these rights.

Gun grabbers are doing the same thing.  You are railing against majority opinion and SCOTUS precedent.  All the while firearms laws get more liberal (ironically).  Pretty soon you will all need tin foil hats.


Yes perhaps I am railing against majority opinion. People do that all the time. It's a free country, remember, where people can share their views and call each other out for nonsense. SCOTUS has an opinion on that one too.

A few years ago gay rights were largely dismissed and now they seem to be largely popular. Not so long before that blacks were restricted from voting by various means. Funny how things change, huh.

Now you, you just make assumptions out of your ass. You don't know me from Adam. I'm not a gun grabber. I personally feel people have the right to defend themselves within reason. However, I am strongly anti-violence and I don't feel that the proliferation of weaponry solves anything and only adds to a growing public fear. I think community involvement and interaction is much more important to personal safety than carrying a stupid gun everywhere as threat of violence. And I think law abiding citizens, no matter how well they mean, make stupid decisions all the time. I am more distrustful of a society that thinks it has to return to the days of the Wild West than one that thinks guns are largely unnecessary.

Personally, I don't have a strong opinion on carry. I do think your attitude sucks, though, because you view it as 'you vs me'. You lose, I win. That's the whole problem, isn't it? You think there is a you vs. me. There is no you vs. me. This isn't a f*cking game, it's a country of opinions and personal beliefs that change over time. Even my own beliefs on things change over time. I'm not the person I was ten years ago, or 20 years ago. Tomorrow I might not be the same person I was today. People who think about things in black and white are idiots.

The only person wearing a tinfoil hat is yourself.
 
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