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2014-08-07 07:30:52 AM  
Kids have always been numbskulls, technology hasn't changed that.
 
2014-08-07 07:43:52 AM  
ds106.us

The battle for the mind of Mankind will be fought in the online arena: the Internet. The computer screen is the retina of the mind's eye. Therefore, the computer screen is part of the physical structure of the brain. Therefore, whatever appears on the computer screen emerges as raw experience for those who watch it. Therefore, the Internet is reality, and reality is less than the Internet.

/All hail the new flesh.
 
2014-08-07 08:59:52 AM  

basemetal: Kids have always been numbskulls, technology hasn't changed that.


This.  Indeed, even most adults are numbskulls.

People have always been stupid and clumsy.  The internet/technology doesn't affect it in the slightest.

It is a boon to people who wish to enrich their intellect.

That's the distinction that these hooligans(to stick with the old timey theme) fail to make.

They see the technology as something that's touted as coming bundled with positive gain for all.  As with anything else in life since the dawn of mankind, only the intelligent make good use of a thing.

This author, or the several like him(as there was a fark thread not long ago that mirrored this example), is not one of those people.

Really, the internet does amplify everything.  Normal stupidity especially.
 
2014-08-07 09:16:34 AM  

omeganuepsilon: basemetal: Kids have always been numbskulls, technology hasn't changed that.

This.  Indeed, even most adults are numbskulls.

People have always been stupid and clumsy.  The internet/technology doesn't affect it in the slightest.

It is a boon to people who wish to enrich their intellect.

That's the distinction that these hooligans(to stick with the old timey theme) fail to make.

They see the technology as something that's touted as coming bundled with positive gain for all.  As with anything else in life since the dawn of mankind, only the intelligent make good use of a thing.

This author, or the several like him(as there was a fark thread not long ago that mirrored this example), is not one of those people.

Really, the internet does amplify everything.  Normal stupidity especially.



I had thought that the Politics Tab could never be explained.
 
2014-08-07 09:17:25 AM  
The Internet has made it far easier for the average person to illustrate this:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
 
2014-08-07 09:26:16 AM  

Poot beer: The Internet has made it far easier for the average person to illustrate this:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."


This. We never saw how deep the ignorance ran before the FLORIDA tag. Now we know.

Not to say that people aren't getting dumber, but they are getting more obvious about being so.
 
2014-08-07 09:35:02 AM  
I get that people are impatient, but who thinks it only takes fifty years for humanity to change? I'll give you fifty thousand years, but not much less than that.
 
2014-08-07 09:39:22 AM  

omeganuepsilon: basemetal: Kids have always been numbskulls, technology hasn't changed that.

This.  Indeed, even most adults are numbskulls.

People have always been stupid and clumsy.  The internet/technology doesn't affect it in the slightest.

It is a boon to people who wish to enrich their intellect.

That's the distinction that these hooligans(to stick with the old timey theme) fail to make.

They see the technology as something that's touted as coming bundled with positive gain for all.  As with anything else in life since the dawn of mankind, only the intelligent make good use of a thing.

This author, or the several like him(as there was a fark thread not long ago that mirrored this example), is not one of those people.

Really, the internet does amplify everything.  Normal stupidity especially.


It is sad that the internet is full of stupid people (myself included). But once in a blue moon or two... you might actually find the smart parts of the internet. But they are buried in the deep recesses of cyber space. One might have to be the digital Indiana Jones looking for the digital "Lost Ark" or "Holy Grail" when it comes to intelligence on the Internet. Or you could just come to Fark and get both. You're choice. Pick your poison.

Kidding aside... I must ask a question about internet stupidity / horrific trolling (as they are one in the same). Is it possible to be so stupid you believe a genre in media was invented less then 10 years ago and all other examples in said genre that predates the "original" were created after and doctored to look like they predated?
 
2014-08-07 09:41:07 AM  
I always theorized that most people don't memorize detail/facts and generalize their thoughts for easy access/maintenance/whathaveyou because it was hard for them to keep up at a Asperger's like level of memory retention. The internet would simply that so they wouldn't even have to remember more since it'd be in that internet tool bit.

That means more room for important stuff, like fan fiction and politics.

Future's gonna be great!
 
2014-08-07 09:47:46 AM  
Not sure about your kids, but it's helped my kids with math, reading, science, etc. My son is also working on learning other languages.
Plus it keeps them quiet when we're out to dinner so they don't disturb others.
 
2014-08-07 09:51:56 AM  

SomeoneDumb: I get that people are impatient, but who thinks it only takes fifty years for humanity to change? I'll give you fifty thousand years, but not much less than that.


You haven't been in a house made a hundred or more years ago, have you? The doors and ceilings tend to be lower than they are now because people are taller now. And that is just one physical change.

Now, the article was talking about methods of thinking changing because of the internet and other technologies. It didn't say that we are on a whole other level, just that we were different because of this new technology. People can access information and transmit ideas using the internet as fast as being in person and to and from  everyone connected to it. That shrinks the world down to the size of a small town and puts the entirety of human knowledge in an easily searchable library in your own house or even pocket. Our brains have to adapt to such a change in some way to use it and understand it.

An older and more quantifiable example of changes in human thinking would be how languages change. The basic form of speaking and writing may be very similar between generations, but slang and new ideas are added constantly and more so by those that are younger. These changes pile up until the language is completely different. The only way to slow such a change is early indoctrination through formal and regulated education...and that only slows the process.
 
2014-08-07 09:55:29 AM  
How the Web Became Our 'External Brain,' and What It Means for Our Kids

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-07 09:55:49 AM  
Oh look, it's the modernized version of "my 5-year-old is the only one who can stop the VCR from flashing 12:00".
 
2014-08-07 10:04:43 AM  
1. Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things. (and you should yell at clouds against it at every opportunity)

- Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt

/bolded part my modest contribution...
 
2014-08-07 10:05:15 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I always theorized that most people don't memorize detail/facts and generalize their thoughts for easy access/maintenance/whathaveyou because it was hard for them to keep up at a Asperger's like level of memory retention. The internet would simply that so they wouldn't even have to remember more since it'd be in that internet tool bit.

That means more room for important stuff, like fan fiction and politics.

Future's gonna be great!


More room and time for invention and research too. You won't have to spend years on end learning how to do an experiment or design an object before you can even get near any of the equipment. 

The human brain is best at remembering processes for making things, identifying things, comparing things and other heuristic tasks. It likes programs instead of data. Writing and computers are great at remembering data (or losing it) and matching up hard values, but suck at anything requiring thought. Computers can and will quite literally light themselves on fire because the data told them to and writing can be left up to interpretation.

If we could give the human brain data retention and manipulation abilities like the ones that computers have, you would have something very impressive indeed. The internet allows that for us as a society and at a more passive level than what will come in the future.
 
2014-08-07 10:07:20 AM  

sendtodave: How the Web Became Our 'External Brain,' and What It Means for Our Kids

[img.fark.net image 305x165]


Does this mean that we get ageless and super sexy bodies of our own choosing too?
 
2014-08-07 10:12:50 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: sendtodave: How the Web Became Our 'External Brain,' and What It Means for Our Kids

[img.fark.net image 305x165]

Does this mean that we get ageless and super sexy bodies of our own choosing too?


Better, we get to be formless quantum-entangled clusters of energy and information! Won't that be fun?!
 
2014-08-07 10:15:25 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: sendtodave: How the Web Became Our 'External Brain,' and What It Means for Our Kids

[img.fark.net image 305x165]

Does this mean that we get ageless and super sexy bodies of our own choosing too?


Your kids do.

Not yours.
 
2014-08-07 11:20:45 AM  
An article about science should include something based on data.

In 2012, Elon University worked with the Pew Internet and American Life Project to release a report that compiled the opinions of 1,021 critics, experts, and stakeholders, asking for their thoughts on digital natives.

Opinion polls are data when you're researching public opinion; not when you're trying to figure out a scientific question.

/The USA Today school of scientific reporting.
 
2014-08-07 01:25:25 PM  
I've always wondered about predictive marketing, or whatever you want to call Amazon's recommendations. Fine for an adult that already has an idea of his interests, but what if you're molded from birth?
 
2014-08-07 01:32:55 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Oh look, it's the modernized version of "my 5-year-old is the only one who can stop the VCR from flashing 12:00". Tune in this dang radio...

www.scratchygrooves.com

 
2014-08-07 01:38:24 PM  
BTW, that concept isn't as stupid as it might sound.  Older radio circuitry could suffer from "capacitive coupling", whereby the mere fact that you're touching it changes the response of the circuitry, forcing the oscillator to a different frequency.  When you let go, it settles back to normal, and you may, depending on the selectivity and sensitivity of the circuit, be noticeably off frequency.

It goes without saying that the effect would be smaller with a smaller hand attached to a smaller person.

This is of course aside from the fact that young minds exposed to technology have an easier time grasping it intuitively than adults that weren't exposed to it at a young age.
 
2014-08-07 01:50:29 PM  

yves0010: omeganuepsilon: basemetal: Kids have always been numbskulls, technology hasn't changed that.

This.  Indeed, even most adults are numbskulls.

People have always been stupid and clumsy.  The internet/technology doesn't affect it in the slightest.

It is a boon to people who wish to enrich their intellect.

That's the distinction that these hooligans(to stick with the old timey theme) fail to make.

They see the technology as something that's touted as coming bundled with positive gain for all.  As with anything else in life since the dawn of mankind, only the intelligent make good use of a thing.

This author, or the several like him(as there was a fark thread not long ago that mirrored this example), is not one of those people.

Really, the internet does amplify everything.  Normal stupidity especially.

It is sad that the internet is full of stupid people (myself included). But once in a blue moon or two... you might actually find the smart parts of the internet. But they are buried in the deep recesses of cyber space. One might have to be the digital Indiana Jones looking for the digital "Lost Ark" or "Holy Grail" when it comes to intelligence on the Internet. Or you could just come to Fark and get both. You're choice. Pick your poison.

Kidding aside... I must ask a question about internet stupidity / horrific trolling (as they are one in the same). Is it possible to be so stupid you believe a genre in media was invented less then 10 years ago and all other examples in said genre that predates the "original" were created after and doctored to look like they predated?


Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt.  Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.

gozar_the_destroyer: SomeoneDumb: I get that people are impatient, but who thinks it only takes fifty years for humanity to change? I'll give you fifty thousand years, but not much less than that.

You haven't been in a house made a hundred or more years ago, have you? The doors and ceilings tend to be lower than they are now because people are taller now. And that is just one physical change.

Now, the article was talking about methods of thinking changing because of the internet and other technologies. It didn't say that we are on a whole other level, just that we were different because of this new technology. People can access information and transmit ideas using the internet as fast as being in person and to and from  everyone connected to it. That shrinks the world down to the size of a small town and puts the entirety of human knowledge in an easily searchable library in your own house or even pocket. Our brains have to adapt to such a change in some way to use it and understand it.

An older and more quantifiable example of changes in human thinking would be how languages change. The basic form of speaking and writing may be very similar between generations, but slang and new ideas are added constantly and more so by those that are younger. These changes pile up until the language is completely different. The only way to slow such a change is early indoctrination through formal and regulated education...and that only slows the process.


What you are talking about is not "change" in the biological sense(which is what the other poster was talking about).  That is societal change, and can happen within years requiring nothing of biological change.
 
2014-08-07 01:52:46 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: SomeoneDumb: I get that people are impatient, but who thinks it only takes fifty years for humanity to change? I'll give you fifty thousand years, but not much less than that.

You haven't been in a house made a hundred or more years ago, have you? The doors and ceilings tend to be lower than they are now because people are taller now. And that is just one physical change.

Now, the article was talking about methods of thinking changing because of the internet and other technologies. It didn't say that we are on a whole other level, just that we were different because of this new technology. People can access information and transmit ideas using the internet as fast as being in person and to and from  everyone connected to it. That shrinks the world down to the size of a small town and puts the entirety of human knowledge in an easily searchable library in your own house or even pocket. Our brains have to adapt to such a change in some way to use it and understand it.

An older and more quantifiable example of changes in human thinking would be how languages change. The basic form of speaking and writing may be very similar between generations, but slang and new ideas are added constantly and more so by those that are younger. These changes pile up until the language is completely different. The only way to slow such a change is early indoctrination through formal and regulated education...and that only slows the process.


I get your point(s), and you're right about them, but I'm still holding out on the evolution of the brain.
 
2014-08-07 01:56:17 PM  

SomeoneDumb: I get your point(s), and you're right about them, but I'm still holding out on the evolution of the brain.


i·ro·ny1
ˈīrənē,ˈiərnē/
noun
     1. See Above
 
2014-08-07 02:18:13 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt. Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.


Forgive me, I should of expanded on that. Let's throw out the Conspiracy theorist Stupids and even the Scientific Ignorance. Ill give you a good example, Youtube troll I love to counter-troll believes that CoD was the first ever FPS and games like Wolfenstien, DOOM and Quake came out after that game but were created to look retro and all data regarding the release dates of said games were made to look like they came out before CoD. Oh, and he also said something like we have fake memories about playing these games in our past.

This level of stupidity... which seems similar level to Conspiracy and Science stupidity... but for some reason, this kind of stupidity only exist on the internet. The others exist in actual real life.
 
2014-08-07 02:36:06 PM  

yves0010: omeganuepsilon: Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt. Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.

Forgive me, I should of expanded on that. Let's throw out the Conspiracy theorist Stupids and even the Scientific Ignorance. Ill give you a good example, Youtube troll I love to counter-troll believes that CoD was the first ever FPS and games like Wolfenstien, DOOM and Quake came out after that game but were created to look retro and all data regarding the release dates of said games were made to look like they came out before CoD. Oh, and he also said something like we have fake memories about playing these games in our past.

This level of stupidity... which seems similar level to Conspiracy and Science stupidity... but for some reason, this kind of stupidity only exist on the internet. The others exist in actual real life.


That really sounds like someone trolling you, not a firmly held belief.
 
2014-08-07 07:13:52 PM  

draypresct: yves0010: omeganuepsilon: Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt. Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.

Forgive me, I should of expanded on that. Let's throw out the Conspiracy theorist Stupids and even the Scientific Ignorance. Ill give you a good example, Youtube troll I love to counter-troll believes that CoD was the first ever FPS and games like Wolfenstien, DOOM and Quake came out after that game but were created to look retro and all data regarding the release dates of said games were made to look like they came out before CoD. Oh, and he also said something like we have fake memories about playing these games in our past.

This level of stupidity... which seems similar level to Conspiracy and Science stupidity... but for some reason, this kind of stupidity only exist on the internet. The others exist in actual real life.

That really sounds like someone trolling you, not a firmly held belief.


Don't know... I think he firmly believes it. I think a troll would not go this far over months and pick fights with everyone he can. This is conspiracy level BS... more then trolling.

And I love trolling him more then anything. Though he seems to not want to fight back sadly. Kinda makes me sad... rather pick fights with others. Guess I might of out smarted him by actually researching and siting data.
 
2014-08-07 07:23:43 PM  
"How the Web Became Our 'External Brain, and What It Means for Our Kids"

By Michael Harris

Excerpted from The End of Absence: Reclaiming What We've Lost in a World of Constant Connection by Michael Harris


TL;DR: I have a book to sell
 
2014-08-07 11:01:50 PM  

yves0010: omeganuepsilon: Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt. Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.

Forgive me, I should of expanded on that. Let's throw out the Conspiracy theorist Stupids and even the Scientific Ignorance. Ill give you a good example, Youtube troll I love to counter-troll believes that CoD was the first ever FPS and games like Wolfenstien, DOOM and Quake came out after that game but were created to look retro and all data regarding the release dates of said games were made to look like they came out before CoD. Oh, and he also said something like we have fake memories about playing these games in our past.

This level of stupidity... which seems similar level to Conspiracy and Science stupidity... but for some reason, this kind of stupidity only exist on the internet. The others exist in actual real life.


Still possible.  Someone see's the remake of "Running Man" and say's it's a rip-off of Hunger Games.
/nevermind the old version plus the book(or was it a short story?)
//just an example, Running Man remake was rumored a while back, iirc.

But I know someone would do just that, consider it "new".  You see it now and again with music because they do borrow so much from other songs.

I didn't realize, for example, Flaming Lips really stole the shiat out of some classic rock songs.(Maybe it was sanctioned, I don't know, just sayin').  I never realized it until recently at my work when someone was listening to classic rock, which I never had in the past.  I hear the old music and am reminded of the new music...

I can see people taking that sort of mental vertigo and running with it.  Same as creationists think god put the dinosaur bones in the earth at the time of creation.(which is what I was thinking about above, I should have spelled it out better, but like I said, concussion).
 
2014-08-07 11:37:51 PM  
*air wank*
 
2014-08-08 12:02:17 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Still possible.  Someone see's the remake of "Running Man" and say's it's a rip-off of Hunger Games.


This phenomenon (and abysmal marketing) is why John Carter did so poorly...I can't count the number of reviews that called it 'derivative' or mentioned we'd 'seen it all before'. Well, OF COURSE WE HAVE, DIPSH*TS, THE STORY WAS WRITTEN ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO AND INSPIRED AN ENTIRE GENRE OF FANTASY!

/rant off
 
2014-08-08 12:52:48 AM  

Brainsick: omeganuepsilon: Still possible.  Someone see's the remake of "Running Man" and say's it's a rip-off of Hunger Games.

This phenomenon (and abysmal marketing) is why John Carter did so poorly...I can't count the number of reviews that called it 'derivative' or mentioned we'd 'seen it all before'. Well, OF COURSE WE HAVE, DIPSH*TS, THE STORY WAS WRITTEN ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO AND INSPIRED AN ENTIRE GENRE OF FANTASY!

/rant off


Which was unfortunate, I liked the movie.   Not my favorite, but it was well done.
 
2014-08-08 02:04:35 AM  
Once again someone falls into the 'young people can't focus on one thing' trap. They see kids do a bunch of different stuff and think that they need new shiat all the time, while ignoring the kid who plays Call of Duty or Halo for ten hours. I'd like to read something about how technology and the internet will shape the world when those that grow up with it start being adults, but not if it's written by an idiot.
 
2014-08-08 08:25:34 AM  

yves0010: draypresct: yves0010: omeganuepsilon: Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt. Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.

Forgive me, I should of expanded on that. Let's throw out the Conspiracy theorist Stupids and even the Scientific Ignorance. Ill give you a good example, Youtube troll I love to counter-troll believes that CoD was the first ever FPS and games like Wolfenstien, DOOM and Quake came out after that game but were created to look retro and all data regarding the release dates of said games were made to look like they came out before CoD. Oh, and he also said something like we have fake memories about playing these games in our past.

This level of stupidity... which seems similar level to Conspiracy and Science stupidity... but for some reason, this kind of stupidity only exist on the internet. The others exist in actual real life.

That really sounds like someone trolling you, not a firmly held belief.

Don't know... I think he firmly believes it. I think a troll would not go this far over months and pick fights with everyone he can. This is conspiracy level BS... more then trolling.

And I love trolling him more then anything. Though he seems to not want to fight back sadly. Kinda makes me sad... rather pick fights with others. Guess I might of out smarted him by actually researching and siting data.


Some people do not know how to back down gracefully when they are wrong about something.
 
2014-08-08 09:37:08 AM  

Fano: yves0010: draypresct: yves0010: omeganuepsilon: Um, i'm partly at a loss due to struggling with a concussion(it really can be like getting struck with the stupid stick), so bear with me.

You're talking about would be equivalent to the people who think moon landings were a hoax or are a sort of "internet creationists", right?

In that case, without a doubt. Maybe a bit rare, but it is entirely possible.

Forgive me, I should of expanded on that. Let's throw out the Conspiracy theorist Stupids and even the Scientific Ignorance. Ill give you a good example, Youtube troll I love to counter-troll believes that CoD was the first ever FPS and games like Wolfenstien, DOOM and Quake came out after that game but were created to look retro and all data regarding the release dates of said games were made to look like they came out before CoD. Oh, and he also said something like we have fake memories about playing these games in our past.

This level of stupidity... which seems similar level to Conspiracy and Science stupidity... but for some reason, this kind of stupidity only exist on the internet. The others exist in actual real life.

That really sounds like someone trolling you, not a firmly held belief.

Don't know... I think he firmly believes it. I think a troll would not go this far over months and pick fights with everyone he can. This is conspiracy level BS... more then trolling.

And I love trolling him more then anything. Though he seems to not want to fight back sadly. Kinda makes me sad... rather pick fights with others. Guess I might of out smarted him by actually researching and siting data.

Some people do not know how to back down gracefully when they are wrong about something.


If you like, I could link the Youtube channel of this particular want to be troll. You will see why I think he truly believes what he believes just by the fact that hes a CoD fanboy... the worse kind of Fanboy in my opinion, and the amount of time he puts into this.
 
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