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(City of Seattle)   Seattle City Council writes FDA calling for an end to blood donation ban on gay & bisexual men. Wait. We still do that? Really?   (seattle.gov) divider line 151
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2014-08-06 02:43:08 PM  
Yeah and if they said "Black men can't donate blood" there would be an outrage.
But this gay men donating blood ban has been allowed to go on since 1985.

Why did I mention black men?

 In the United States, in 2009, African Americans accounted for 47.9% of new HIV diagnoses reported in 2009.

Let's see you put a policy in place saying black men they can't donate blood. I dare you. I triple dog dare you!
Gays: the only people on Earth it's still acceptable to discriminate against.
 
2014-08-06 02:46:40 PM  
At this point we'd be stupid not to test all the blood that comes in anyway. Gay, straight or what have you.
 
2014-08-06 02:54:21 PM  

James!: At this point we'd be stupid not to test all the blood that comes in anyway. Gay, straight or what have you.


We already do. Every single pint. The problem is that these tests are not perfect. No matter what you do with these tests, there is a chance that somebody who has HIV will register a false negative on the test, and giving their blood to somebody without HIV is virtually guaranteed to infect them.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-06 02:59:50 PM  
HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.
 
2014-08-06 03:00:38 PM  

Serious Black: James!: At this point we'd be stupid not to test all the blood that comes in anyway. Gay, straight or what have you.

We already do. Every single pint. The problem is that these tests are not perfect. No matter what you do with these tests, there is a chance that somebody who has HIV will register a false negative on the test, and giving their blood to somebody without HIV is virtually guaranteed to infect them.


If we're going to exclude everyone who might have HIV then that excludes everyone.
 
2014-08-06 03:08:06 PM  
I'm just impressed that our City Council gets something right occasionally.  #mindblown
 
2014-08-06 03:09:47 PM  

Walker: Yeah and if they said "Black men can't donate blood" there would be an outrage.
But this gay men donating blood ban has been allowed to go on since 1985.

Why did I mention black men?

 In the United States, in 2009, African Americans accounted for 47.9% of new HIV diagnoses reported in 2009.

Let's see you put a policy in place saying black men they can't donate blood. I dare you. I triple dog dare you!
Gays: the only people on Earth it's still acceptable to discriminate against.


You're comparing discrimination based on an immutable characteristic (Michael Jackson excepting) to a behavior. We ban many people based on higher-risk behavior, including if they were in the Europe or Africa for a long period of time, IV drug users, prostitutes, people who have recently been in prison, and those with recent piercings and tattoos. We also ban people born in most of Central Africa from donating because up to 25% of the population of these countries are HIV positive.

Serious Black: James!: At this point we'd be stupid not to test all the blood that comes in anyway. Gay, straight or what have you.

We already do. Every single pint. The problem is that these tests are not perfect. No matter what you do with these tests, there is a chance that somebody who has HIV will register a false negative on the test, and giving their blood to somebody without HIV is virtually guaranteed to infect them.


The only known case of someone receiving HIV from a blood transfusion in the US since 2002 was from a man who lied about having anonymous sex with men and women.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_43fdd59a-dd4e-11df- ac d0-0017a4a78c22.html
 
2014-08-06 03:13:57 PM  

James!: Serious Black: James!: At this point we'd be stupid not to test all the blood that comes in anyway. Gay, straight or what have you.

We already do. Every single pint. The problem is that these tests are not perfect. No matter what you do with these tests, there is a chance that somebody who has HIV will register a false negative on the test, and giving their blood to somebody without HIV is virtually guaranteed to infect them.

If we're going to exclude everyone who might have HIV then that excludes everyone.


It's true. My point was simply to say that no screening process, even asking if you've ever had unprotected homosexual anal sex, is perfect, as ArkAngel just deftly proved. Yet we seem to be doing a damn good job with just screening blood for HIV.
 
2014-08-06 03:49:19 PM  
"Donor screening for gay and bisexual men should be the same as for all other people and be based on a risk assessment of behaviors, rather than on sexual orientation."

But the ban is not directed at sexual orientation, it is directed at high risk behavior: men having sex with men (MSM).  20% of those who actively engage in MSM behavior are HIV-positive.
 
2014-08-06 03:59:22 PM  
Doesn't gay people blood make people gay?

What's next, they'll want to swim in our pools.
 
2014-08-06 04:39:30 PM  

ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.


And straight people never do that. And all gay people do. And you are a haematologist. And your opinion is worth more than exactly fark all.
 
2014-08-06 04:39:50 PM  
HIV kills vampires.
Please, think of the vampires.
 
2014-08-06 04:53:46 PM  

Tigger: ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.

And straight people never do that. And all gay people do. And you are a haematologist. And your opinion is worth more than exactly fark all.


It's worth the same as anyone else's opinion on Fark, including yours.
 
2014-08-06 04:55:26 PM  
They ended the gay crip ban a long time ago...

i4.bebo.com
 
2014-08-06 04:55:39 PM  

SkinnyHead: But the ban is not directed at sexual orientation, it is directed at high risk behavior: men having sex with men (MSM). 20% of those who actively engage in MSM behavior are HIV-positive.


Facts are hurtful and you should feel bad for presenting them. My personal offense trumps all other concerns.
 
2014-08-06 04:56:14 PM  

Snarfangel: HIV kills vampires.
Please, think of the vampires.


Hepatitis V is the real killer.
 
2014-08-06 04:56:19 PM  

SkinnyHead: But the ban is not directed at sexual orientation

Of course it is. A man who had sex with another man, once, 30 years ago, and used protection, is prohibited from donating blood. A woman who slept with the entire basketball team is not.

I'm not saying there's necessarily bigotry in the law, but if there is, of course you would defend it.
 
2014-08-06 04:56:48 PM  
Aren't we down to something like 20% of the population giving blood of those that are still able to donate?
 
2014-08-06 04:57:07 PM  

worlddan: Tigger: ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.

And straight people never do that. And all gay people do. And you are a haematologist. And your opinion is worth more than exactly fark all.

It's worth the same as anyone else's opinion on Fark, including yours.


Maybe so, but you are still defending bigotry.
 
2014-08-06 04:57:20 PM  
The gay HIV rates have spiked again, because HIV is no longer a death sentence, so they reverted to their risky lifestyle. So yeah, until they start acting responsibly, why risk the bloody supply?

Funny the circular logic libs use. "but HIV doesn't just affect teh gays, but what about the children from transfusions!"

The they try to protect the transfusion blood, "why you gotta hate teh gays?!?!?"

Now libs, this is your cue to go on some ad hominem rant about what you think my religion or latent sexuality is.
 
2014-08-06 04:58:30 PM  
When was the last time subby donated blood?  They ask you every time if you've done the dance of 2 (or more) dicks.

Besides, teh AIDS isn't what our blood banks are worried about, it's Babesiosis.
 
2014-08-06 05:01:11 PM  

Buttknuckle: worlddan: Tigger: ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.

And straight people never do that. And all gay people do. And you are a haematologist. And your opinion is worth more than exactly fark all.

It's worth the same as anyone else's opinion on Fark, including yours.

Maybe so, but you are still defending bigotry.


Is the only speech that should be defended that with which you personally agree? Just curious.
 
2014-08-06 05:02:21 PM  
Whole blood donations/transfusions still can transmit diseases. Sadly.
 
2014-08-06 05:02:33 PM  

StanTheMan: The gay HIV rates have spiked again, because HIV is no longer a death sentence, so they reverted to their risky lifestyle. So yeah, until they start acting responsibly, why risk the bloody supply?

Funny the circular logic libs use. "but HIV doesn't just affect teh gays, but what about the children from transfusions!"

The they try to protect the transfusion blood, "why you gotta hate teh gays?!?!?"

Now libs, this is your cue to go on some ad hominem rant about what you think my religion or latent sexuality is.


Presuming you're an American, statistically speaking, you're probably a straight, white, Christian who identifies as male.

/i went ahead and threw in race and gender for you
 
2014-08-06 05:03:37 PM  

ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.


But that's true irregardless of you being straight, gay, or, heaven forbid, a woman.
 
2014-08-06 05:04:12 PM  

Walker: Yeah and if they said "Black men can't donate blood" there would be an outrage.
But this gay men donating blood ban has been allowed to go on since 1985.

Why did I mention black men?

 In the United States, in 2009, African Americans accounted for 47.9% of new HIV diagnoses reported in 2009.

Let's see you put a policy in place saying black men they can't donate blood. I dare you. I triple dog dare you!
Gays: the only people on Earth it's still acceptable to discriminate against.


Being msm is what causes the transmission of diseases though. Not being black. Stop spreading ignorance.
 
2014-08-06 05:04:53 PM  

SkinnyHead: "Donor screening for gay and bisexual men should be the same as for all other people and be based on a risk assessment of behaviors, rather than on sexual orientation."

But the ban is not directed at sexual orientation, it is directed at high risk behavior: men having sex with men (MSM).  20% of those who actively engage in MSM behavior are HIV-positive.


One out of five sexually active gay men are HIV-positive, you say? That sounds, um, high.
 
2014-08-06 05:05:36 PM  
When they asked me "have you ever had sex with another man, even once," my answer was "yes, but only with other straight men like me."
 
2014-08-06 05:06:03 PM  

ZAZ: Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.


But it feels (and looks) so good.
 
2014-08-06 05:06:16 PM  
Pretty sure if you've had unprotected sex with anyone other than a monogamous partner you're blocked too.

//Which means subby's mom's blood is right out
 
2014-08-06 05:08:36 PM  
I still can't donate blood because I was stationed in Germany during the 80's. It has something to do with Mad Cow disease. ...either that or Chernobyl fallout....or maybe a little of both?
 
2014-08-06 05:09:26 PM  

Rosyna: ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.

But that's true irregardless of you being straight, gay, or, heaven forbid, a woman.


Do you irlike to add the irunnecessary prefix 'ir' to irother words, too? Or do you just have an especial hate for the word "regardless"?
 
2014-08-06 05:10:56 PM  

meat0918: Pretty sure if you've had unprotected sex with anyone other than a monogamous partner you're blocked too.

//Which means subby's mom's blood is right out


I donated last week. They ask if you've had sex with a man even once in the last 30 years, if you have ever paid for sex or if you have ever been paid for sex. They don't ask anything about unprotected sex.

A man whore who bangs anything that moves without a condom is free to donate blood but a gay man in a committed relationship is not. I makes no sense.
 
2014-08-06 05:11:17 PM  

untaken_name: Do you irlike to add the irunnecessary prefix 'ir' to irother words, too? Or do you just have an especial hate for the word "regardless"?


I do it to spite people like you.
 
2014-08-06 05:11:26 PM  

max_pooper: meat0918: Pretty sure if you've had unprotected sex with anyone other than a monogamous partner you're blocked too.

//Which means subby's mom's blood is right out

I donated last week. They ask if you've had sex with a man even once in the last 30 years, if you have ever paid for sex or if you have ever been paid for sex. They don't ask anything about unprotected sex.

A man whore who bangs anything that moves without a condom is free to donate blood but a gay man in a committed relationship is not. I makes no sense.


Wow.
 
2014-08-06 05:11:32 PM  
Yes, submitter, we still do that.

/Worked at company that made biologicals out of donated plasma. Same deal there, so you'd have to convince the entire pharma industry and the FDA to change that policy, too.
 
2014-08-06 05:13:12 PM  

max_pooper: I makes no sense.


Don't be so hard on yourself; I understood you perfectly.
 
2014-08-06 05:13:15 PM  

worlddan: Tigger: ZAZ: HIV is not the whole story. Blood transfusions can transmit many maladies other than AIDS. Odds are there's something lurking out there that we don't have a test for, if only because we don't know what it is. Like HIV in the 1980s. Unprotected anal sex is bad for your health in many ways.

And straight people never do that. And all gay people do. And you are a haematologist. And your opinion is worth more than exactly fark all.

It's worth the same as anyone else's opinion on Fark, including yours


You think all opinions are of equal worth regardless of the quality of their thinking, logic or base in fact?

Ironically that's a worthless opinion.
 
2014-08-06 05:13:22 PM  

dfenstrate: Facts are hurtful and you should feel bad for presenting them. My personal offense trumps all other concerns.


Let me know when you start seeing facts. The 20% is made the fark up. The CDC says it's well under half of that:  http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html
 
2014-08-06 05:14:34 PM  

max_pooper: meat0918: Pretty sure if you've had unprotected sex with anyone other than a monogamous partner you're blocked too.

//Which means subby's mom's blood is right out

I donated last week. They ask if you've had sex with a man even once in the last 30 years, if you have ever paid for sex or if you have ever been paid for sex. They don't ask anything about unprotected sex.

A man whore who bangs anything that moves without a condom is free to donate blood but a gay man in a committed relationship is not. I makes no sense.


I'd argue (not very plausibly) that a guy taking a girl on a date, paying for dinner, taking the girl to his place, and then banging her involves him paying her for sex and her being paid by him for sex. It just happens to be in the form of goods rather than cash.
 
2014-08-06 05:15:05 PM  

SkinnyHead: "Donor screening for gay and bisexual men should be the same as for all other people and be based on a risk assessment of behaviors, rather than on sexual orientation."

But the ban is not directed at sexual orientation, it is directed at high risk behavior: men having sex with men (MSM).  20% of those who actively engage in MSM behavior are HIV-positive.


What about the passive ones?

// you know, a cold fish
// in this case, would it be cold-cock?
 
2014-08-06 05:16:48 PM  
Time to play Let's Pretend!
 
2014-08-06 05:17:05 PM  

ArkAngel: You're comparing discrimination based on an immutable characteristic (Michael Jackson excepting) to a behavior.


Past behavior is an immutable characteristic. Unless you're suggesting that the gays have the time travel.

ArkAngel: We also ban people born in most of Central Africa from donating because up to 25% of the population of these countries are HIV positive.


Which is many times higher than the infection rate of men who have had sex with men.
 
2014-08-06 05:17:08 PM  
They won't let my wife give blood because she takes insulin.

/I'm outraged!
//not really
 
2014-08-06 05:17:09 PM  
Canada dropped it's ban against gay men donating blood last year... kinda.

If you have been abstinent for 5 years.

If I was a gay man that wanted to donate blood I'd say fark this and donate anyway.


http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-headlines/canada-lifts-ban-on-ga y- men-donating-blood-must-be-abstinent-for-5-years-1.1291754
 
2014-08-06 05:17:20 PM  

Beerguy: I still can't donate blood because I was stationed in Germany during the 80's. It has something to do with Mad Cow disease. ...either that or Chernobyl fallout....or maybe a little of both?


That one is because you were in a BSE country - they specifically mentioned it when I moved here.
 
2014-08-06 05:17:43 PM  

Tigger: It's worth the same as anyone else's opinion on Fark, including yours


You think all opinions are of equal worth regardless of the quality of their thinking, logic or base in fact?


He must work for the BBC.
 
2014-08-06 05:18:08 PM  
A few years back they wouldn't let my  girlfriend donate blood because she was sleeping with someone that  used to sleep with dudes (in college). It'd been years since any bisexual experience on my part, but they wouldn't let  her donate blood because her  protected sex with a dirty queer.
 
2014-08-06 05:18:09 PM  

Beerguy: I still can't donate blood because I was stationed in Germany during the 80's. It has something to do with Mad Cow disease. ...either that or Chernobyl fallout....or maybe a little of both?


That.

My dad was stationed over there when I was in school.  We ate British beef, and traveled to England.  No blood from me.
 
2014-08-06 05:19:29 PM  

Walker: Yeah and if they said "Black men can't donate blood" there would be an outrage.
But this gay men donating blood ban has been allowed to go on since 1985.

Why did I mention black men?

 In the United States, in 2009, African Americans accounted for 47.9% of new HIV diagnoses reported in 2009.

Let's see you put a policy in place saying black men they can't donate blood. I dare you. I triple dog dare you!
Gays: the only people on Earth it's still acceptable to discriminate against.


In any case, you'd care about probability of them being HIV positive given that they are African American, not probability that they are African American given that they are HIV positive.

/Conditional probability: how does it work?
 
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