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2014-08-06 02:59:18 PM  
If I had to choose between Windows XP and Windows 8, I'd choose 8.

But there's a lot of people out there that would rather die than learn a new OS, so they're sticking with XP, even though MS isn't supporting it anymore.
 
2014-08-06 03:09:49 PM  
Windows 7 FTW.
 
2014-08-06 03:15:02 PM  
Microsoft actually has what people want, but they don't have any clue how to organize it into sane and rational product offerings.
 
2014-08-06 03:22:20 PM  

Lando Lincoln: If I had to choose between Windows XP and Windows 8, I'd choose 8.

But there's a lot of people out there that would rather die than learn a new OS, so they're sticking with XP, even though MS isn't supporting it anymore.


8.1 is a great OS.  I'm using it for all new development.  But the tiled interface is so hideously ugly, that no one wants to touch it without washing their hands afterward.  Every time I see their tiled interface, my nose involuntarily wrinkles with disgust.  It's hard to get past that.
 
2014-08-06 03:31:02 PM  

Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.


I love Windows 7.
 
2014-08-06 03:35:25 PM  
Sounds like they're literally talking about Window 8.0 market share. Looking at their reference, there is no dip in overall 8.x usage.

Now that 8.1 is out, people are upgrading and so of course fewer people are using 8.0.

Now excuse me while I go prepare my own click-bait article, "Apple is DOOMED! Analyst predict iOS 7 and OS X 10.9 Market Share to Plummet this Fall!"
 
2014-08-06 03:39:20 PM  

Clent: Sounds like they're literally talking about Window 8.0 market share. Looking at their reference, there is no dip in overall 8.x usage.

Now that 8.1 is out, people are upgrading and so of course fewer people are using 8.0.

Now excuse me while I go prepare my own click-bait article, "Apple is DOOMED! Analyst predict iOS 7 and OS X 10.9 Market Share to Plummet this Fall!"


Yeah, this article reeked of anti-MS bias. Oops. I mean...anti-M$ bias, as the Linux mouth-breathers like to type.
 
2014-08-06 03:41:21 PM  
Introducing Windows ME 2014
 
2014-08-06 03:52:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Microsoft actually has what people want, but they don't have any clue how to organize it into sane and rational product offerings.


Sure they do. It's called Windows 7. I can't think of anything that I'd like Win 7 to do that it doesn't do. Except the blowjob thing. Still waiting.
 
2014-08-06 03:53:36 PM  

Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.


No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.
 
2014-08-06 03:58:12 PM  

thisdaydreamer: Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.

No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.


How to make Window 8.x look and feel like Windows 7
 
2014-08-06 03:58:37 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Marcus Aurelius: Microsoft actually has what people want, but they don't have any clue how to organize it into sane and rational product offerings.

Sure they do. It's called Windows 7. I can't think of anything that I'd like Win 7 to do that it doesn't do. Except the blowjob thing. Still waiting.


I have to admit my Windows 7 machine is my favorite as well.
 
2014-08-06 04:05:13 PM  

Lando Lincoln: thisdaydreamer: Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.

No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.

How to make Window 8.x look and feel like Windows 7


Thanks. That is going to be very useful.
 
2014-08-06 04:06:19 PM  

Lando Lincoln: If I had to choose between Windows XP and Windows 8, I'd choose 8.

Bought a new laptop running 8 for the spouse. Bit of a learning curve but I like it now. Had a few issues with updating to 8.1 and I don't care for the new CHKDSK, but its fine. I'm still a Mac guy and always will be (unless OS/2 Warp comes back) but its not bad at all. Won't run an OS that doesn't get security updates.

i.imgur.com

Otherwise someone might steal my Hoshi no Kaabi Tiff/Fumu pregnancy fan fiction, and we can't have that.
 
2014-08-06 04:25:27 PM  
I haven't really tried 8 much, so I can't fairly offer an opinion, but of the 3 machines I have, 2 of them(including my gaming pc) still run XP.

I don't know if that means anything, but there you have it.
 
2014-08-06 05:18:33 PM  

thisdaydreamer: Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.

No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.


They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.
 
2014-08-06 05:20:21 PM  

grumpfuff: I haven't really tried 8 much, so I can't fairly offer an opinion, but of the 3 machines I have, 2 of them(including my gaming pc) still run XP.

I don't know if that means anything, but there you have it.


I have a few Server 2012 R2 servers to manage. I can't imagine anything more enjoyable. Other than being raped to death by weasels. Or having my fingernails pulled out. Or having my crowns replaced. Or, well, just about anything, actually. The interface makes me very stabby.
 
2014-08-06 05:21:08 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: thisdaydreamer: Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.

No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.

They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.


Amazon sells Win7 "System Builder" boxes.
 
2014-08-06 05:22:47 PM  

Ed Grubermann: grumpfuff: I haven't really tried 8 much, so I can't fairly offer an opinion, but of the 3 machines I have, 2 of them(including my gaming pc) still run XP.

I don't know if that means anything, but there you have it.

I have a few Server 2012 R2 servers to manage. I can't imagine anything more enjoyable. Other than being raped to death by weasels. Or having my fingernails pulled out. Or having my crowns replaced. Or, well, just about anything, actually. The interface makes me very stabby.


I don't really know server OS's that well, so I apologize for not understanding what this had to do with my post.
 
2014-08-06 05:23:11 PM  
Currently run 7 on my home pc, but that will change when I get my new machine. Run 8 on my work laptop and desktop. I have no problems with either, but 8 boots up so much faster.
I also build the images at work,  we'll be skipping 8 because having to retrain almost 2k people scattered around the state isn't going to happen.
Though I am looking forward to getting my hands on 9.
 
2014-08-06 05:26:24 PM  
Great:  Linux and Open Source software is growing very well year by year.

Great: Chromebooks lighting the fire under Apple and Microsoft feet.
 
2014-08-06 05:27:02 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.


I just checked, and found exactly one laptop with everything I needed and Win7. It was $2700. I think I'll stick with what I have.
 
2014-08-06 05:27:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: Marcus Aurelius: Microsoft actually has what people want, but they don't have any clue how to organize it into sane and rational product offerings.

Sure they do. It's called Windows 7. I can't think of anything that I'd like Win 7 to do that it doesn't do. Except the blowjob thing. Still waiting.

I have to admit my Windows 7 machine is my favorite as well.



but have you updated your License??   added any hardware lately??
 
2014-08-06 05:29:00 PM  

thisdaydreamer: B.L.Z. Bub: They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.

I just checked, and found exactly one laptop with everything I needed and Win7. It was $2700. I think I'll stick with what I have.



lol.  or, you could buy one for 1000/1500 and reformat the hard drive and put Linux on it.  but why bother.
 
2014-08-06 05:31:45 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Currently run 7 on my home pc, but that will change when I get my new machine. Run 8 on my work laptop and desktop. I have no problems with either, but 8 boots up so much faster.
I also build the images at work,  we'll be skipping 8 because having to retrain almost 2k people scattered around the state isn't going to happen.
Though I am looking forward to getting my hands on 9.



you'll love 9.  it's even better than 8.   lolzz
 
2014-08-06 05:32:15 PM  

thisdaydreamer: B.L.Z. Bub: They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.

I just checked, and found exactly one laptop with everything I needed and Win7. It was $2700. I think I'll stick with what I have.


Say what? What are you demanding for this laptop? I can easily find one for $400.
 
2014-08-06 05:33:58 PM  

Linux_Yes: lol. or, you could buy one for 1000/1500 and reformat the hard drive and put Linux on it. but why bother.


I spent $900, including the one piece of software I had to buy, so I think I did fine. And I really don't want to bother with Linux.
 
2014-08-06 05:34:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lando Lincoln: If I had to choose between Windows XP and Windows 8, I'd choose 8.

But there's a lot of people out there that would rather die than learn a new OS, so they're sticking with XP, even though MS isn't supporting it anymore.

8.1 is a great OS.  I'm using it for all new development.  But the tiled interface is so hideously ugly, that no one wants to touch it without washing their hands afterward.  Every time I see their tiled interface, my nose involuntarily wrinkles with disgust.  It's hard to get past that.


I tried helping someone the other day.  I used to do desktop support in a previous life.  Hadn't tried 8 yet.  I'm sitting there with the mouse wondering where I should click.  None of it seemed intuitive.  Presumably if I had a flat device in my hand and was touching it, i'd have a different reaction.  But sitting there with a mouse in hand it seemed like the most unnatural interface ever created.  Some say it reminds them of 3.1.  I think 3.1 was more intuitive.
 
2014-08-06 05:35:05 PM  
8 is fine. XP is only good to keep an aging computer alive if it never connects to the internet and you're an idiot.
 
2014-08-06 05:35:34 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: thisdaydreamer: B.L.Z. Bub: They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.

I just checked, and found exactly one laptop with everything I needed and Win7. It was $2700. I think I'll stick with what I have.

Say what? What are you demanding for this laptop? I can easily find one for $400.


Yeah I priced a really really nice Fujitsu the other day and is was $1100.  Can't imagine one for $2700.
 
2014-08-06 05:36:01 PM  

Linux_Yes: Great:  Linux and Open Source software is growing very well year by year.

Great: Chromebooks lighting the fire under Apple and Microsoft feet.


Somebody's burning Chromebooks? Probably the most useful thing you can do with them.
 
2014-08-06 05:36:03 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Say what? What are you demanding for this laptop? I can easily find one for $400.


The dealbreaker was that I wanted more than 4g of RAM. That pushed it from several choices to one laptop with a whopping 12g, which helps explain the price.
 
2014-08-06 05:36:16 PM  

Linux_Yes: Unoriginal_Username: Currently run 7 on my home pc, but that will change when I get my new machine. Run 8 on my work laptop and desktop. I have no problems with either, but 8 boots up so much faster.
I also build the images at work,  we'll be skipping 8 because having to retrain almost 2k people scattered around the state isn't going to happen.
Though I am looking forward to getting my hands on 9.


you'll love 9.  it's even better than 8.   lolzz


They are like the antiparticle to Star Trek movies.  Only buy the odd numbered ones.
 
2014-08-06 05:38:16 PM  

brandent: you'll love 9. it's even better than 8. lolzz

They are like the antiparticle to Star Trek movies. Only buy the odd numbered ones.


It's amazing how true that is.
 
2014-08-06 05:38:44 PM  

Linux_Yes: thisdaydreamer: B.L.Z. Bub: They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.

I just checked, and found exactly one laptop with everything I needed and Win7. It was $2700. I think I'll stick with what I have.


lol.  or, you could buy one for 1000/1500 and reformat the hard drive and put Linux on it.  but why bother.


Exactly. Who needs a $1500 anchor that isn't even heavy enough to keep your boat in place

/Linux on the desktop, it's THIS year for real!
//Like every year...
 
2014-08-06 05:38:53 PM  

thisdaydreamer: Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.

No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.


Just got a brand new 7 machine.  Why are you stuck with 8?  Should have picked 7 when shopping.
 
2014-08-06 05:39:17 PM  
I have 7 on my desktop and 8.1 on the laptop... 8.1 isn't bad, but it's also not good... it doesn't handle memory very well (common start for windows), and some of the places for doing things are not in intuitive places... aside from that, there are "mandatory" hidden panels on the left and right screen edges, which can get somewhat annoying if you're trying to click something that is actually over on that edge of the screen. Overall, I'm still a bigger fan of 7 than 8.1 though. Don't get me too wrong, the UI feels really slick in 8.1 and eventually I'll get used to it, but sometimes slick isn't what I want, sometimes I want efficient. Parts of the UI feel like they're fixing it until its broken instead of going with what works.
 
2014-08-06 05:40:00 PM  

brandent: B.L.Z. Bub: thisdaydreamer: B.L.Z. Bub: They still sell Win 7 PCs. You ain't stuck, unless you already bought Win 8, sucker.

I just checked, and found exactly one laptop with everything I needed and Win7. It was $2700. I think I'll stick with what I have.

Say what? What are you demanding for this laptop? I can easily find one for $400.

Yeah I priced a really really nice Fujitsu the other day and is was $1100.  Can't imagine one for $2700.


There was nothing between 4g and 12g of RAM, and I needed more than 4. Limiting the search to Win7 really cut into what was available.
 
2014-08-06 05:40:58 PM  

brandent: thisdaydreamer: Rev.K: Windows 7 FTW.

No kidding. I'm in mourning for my Win7 computer, which I managed to kill a few weeks ago. Now I'm stuck with 8, at least until 9 comes out.

Just got a brand new 7 machine.  Why are you stuck with 8?  Should have picked 7 when shopping.


Why would you buy a OS that is slower and lousier? Oh, right, getting old and stupid...
 
2014-08-06 05:41:23 PM  

brandent: Just got a brand new 7 machine. Why are you stuck with 8? Should have picked 7 when shopping.


Another part of the problem was that I could only afford to buy a new computer if I used the $500 credit I had with Amazon.
 
2014-08-06 05:43:59 PM  

Ed Grubermann: grumpfuff: I haven't really tried 8 much, so I can't fairly offer an opinion, but of the 3 machines I have, 2 of them(including my gaming pc) still run XP.

I don't know if that means anything, but there you have it.

I have a few Server 2012 R2 servers to manage. I can't imagine anything more enjoyable. Other than being raped to death by weasels. Or having my fingernails pulled out. Or having my crowns replaced. Or, well, just about anything, actually. The interface makes me very stabby.


I agree with THIS. 8 interface on a server? That's a fail.
 
2014-08-06 05:48:09 PM  

Linux_Yes: but have you updated your License??


Which license would that be? Like...the license for Windows 7? Have I updated my license for Windows 7 to Windows 8? Uh, no. If I did, then I'd be running Windows 8.
 
2014-08-06 05:49:40 PM  
I can't believe all the fuss over Win 8. The metro interface is fine. The other new stuff is fine too. It boots very quickly, is snappy and responsive. The people hating on it haven't used it and the ones that have used it got used to it in three hours.
 
2014-08-06 05:59:13 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Marcus Aurelius: Microsoft actually has what people want, but they don't have any clue how to organize it into sane and rational product offerings.

Sure they do. It's called Windows 7. I can't think of anything that I'd like Win 7 to do that it doesn't do. Except the blowjob thing. Still waiting.


I'd like Win7 to be able to keep my desktop arranged the way I arranged it. Sometimes it decides that it hasn't been shut down properly and rearranges everything despite me doing the whole traditional shutdown routine.
 
2014-08-06 06:07:47 PM  
Windows 8 is fine once you get done turning it back into Windows 7.
 
2014-08-06 06:10:00 PM  

Lando Lincoln: If I had to choose between Windows XP and Windows 8, I'd choose 8.


If I had to choose between Windows XP and Windows 8 in a VM, I would choose XP.

// a VM with no network connectivity

// to open that one Microsoft Office file, the one that nobody has the time to adjust for libre office.
 
2014-08-06 06:10:48 PM  
Windows 8 is basically the same as 7 once you turn off all of their stupid tiled shiat.
 
2014-08-06 06:19:36 PM  
Bad or good news about Windows 9, depending upon what you're expecting.

Take Windows 8.1.
Install Stardock Start8 and MetroMix for $8.
Congratulations, you have Windows 9.

I am not making this up. Next Tuesday was supposed to be Update 2, where they gave us back the Start menu. Nope! Just a bunch of patches. They've abandoned any hope of 'fixing' Windows 8.
 
2014-08-06 06:19:36 PM  
We aren't adopting Win8 at work, and we're an educational software company. Basically, we look at what our clients are using (universities, some corporate), and adopt machines based on what they need. We currently have XP, 7, Linux (various), ChromeOS, and OSX. There is literally less demand for 8.x than our Vista clients, and we ain't supporting Vista.

The problem is that it is a UI nightmare - a lot of the stuff is not well documented for casual users, and changing preferences is difficult for them. This was acceptable in the 80s or maybe the early 90s, but, when even Linux is making pretenses of caring about customers, it is inexcusable to have X11-level interactions. Suggesting people run their software by typing in the first few letters of the app is on par with asking them to open up a csh.

That said, MS had a good reason for believing the tile thing would be popular. There was a trend in the design community (which is still ongoing, but tamped down quite a bit by this fiasco) which promoted flat interfaces and reducing clutter, minimizing points of entrance into the system, and making everything context sensitive. The worst version of this I've seen is on a Samsung TV, where all access is through a clickable joystick. Turning the thing off requires click, "down" (moving the stick to the back, portrayed as down onscreen) and click.
 
2014-08-06 06:25:06 PM  

Ed Grubermann: grumpfuff: I haven't really tried 8 much, so I can't fairly offer an opinion, but of the 3 machines I have, 2 of them(including my gaming pc) still run XP.

I don't know if that means anything, but there you have it.

I have a few Server 2012 R2 servers to manage. I can't imagine anything more enjoyable. Other than being raped to death by weasels. Or having my fingernails pulled out. Or having my crowns replaced. Or, well, just about anything, actually. The interface makes me very stabby.


What are you doing on the server that requires a GUI, rather than installing it as Core and administering it indirectly from tools on your workstation?
 
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