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(Independent)   A politician with morals, ethics, standards, and principles? You'd better believe she's resigning   (independent.co.uk) divider line 85
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2014-08-06 02:22:17 PM  
David Cameron over Britain's "morally indefensible" approach to the conflict in Gaza.

Oh, you mean a moron. Britain wasn't in Gaza shooting rockets at Israel. That's Hamas.
 
2014-08-06 03:28:21 PM  
I think she's referring to Great Britain's complete lack of condemnation.
 
2014-08-06 03:31:27 PM  
Cool a Baroness... but yeah... a rich lady quit her job, that's easy.
 
2014-08-06 03:32:00 PM  
If Great Britain hasn't condemned the acts of Hamas that is indeed cause for outrage.
 
2014-08-06 03:40:51 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid:
Oh, you mean a moron. Britain wasn't in Gaza shooting rockets at Israel. That's Hamas.

They sure were.  Powerfully bad idea, that.  But it does seem that Israel is a bit more heavy handed than may be necessary.  Shouldn't we hold them to the higher standard?  Aren't they the lone shining beacon of democracy in the middle east?  They're certainly the ones in the region with all of the power.  The whole situation just sucks.
 
2014-08-06 03:41:58 PM  
Um, is it just me, or other than mentioning the government's position with respect to the situation in Gaza, she doesn't actually define her objections to the position in that letter (nor does she define that policy)?

Is she objecting to Cameron's support of Israel? Measures the Brits are taking to avoid creating new terrorists in Gaza (she mentions "radicalisation")? The word "Israel" does not appear in her letter at all, suggesting she's no fan of theirs, but that's speculation on my part.

I assume this is better-known in England, but TFA only tells a part of the story; and one that's missing some fairly important details.

// this piece has some more info - it looks like she wanted a stronger condemnation of Israel out of Downing Street
 
2014-08-06 03:42:23 PM  
But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.
 
2014-08-06 03:43:08 PM  

Headso: Cool a Baroness... but yeah... a rich lady quit her job, that's easy.


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/any excuse really
 
2014-08-06 03:43:15 PM  
Over reaction much?
 
2014-08-06 03:44:11 PM  
I hope the IRA starts bombing london again
 
2014-08-06 03:44:12 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.


Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.
 
2014-08-06 03:46:16 PM  
Condemning Cameron for his cowardly silence over the deaths of civilians in Gaza?

I can appreciate that.

Quitting because she says she won't be able to live with herself if she doesn't?

Meh, her call but kinda cowardly as well, I feel.
 
2014-08-06 03:47:29 PM  

IvyLady: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.

Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.


A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.
 
2014-08-06 03:48:33 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: I hope the IRA starts bombing london again


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2014-08-06 03:51:32 PM  
Given that the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset has published his plan to kill or expel all Palestinians, it's a pretty good idea to stop supplying them with the weapons that could eventually be part of this plan.
 
2014-08-06 03:56:39 PM  
wellbye.jpg
 
2014-08-06 03:59:40 PM  
Relative to the situation, hero tag is well deserved.

It shouldn't be so problematic or detrimental to a career to criticize a state and to hold them responsible for their actions. Israel shouldn't be above international law because they have an arsenal of red herrings and ad-hominems to throw at people.
 
2014-08-06 04:06:10 PM  
Sarah Palin resigned five years ago subby. Old news is old.
 
2014-08-06 04:39:42 PM  
She saw the Abyss that the U.S. and England (and others) are in partnership with.  she didn't want anything more to do with it.
 
2014-08-06 04:40:17 PM  

sendtodave: A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.


Except this final solution will be Kosher
 
2014-08-06 04:59:56 PM  

dfacto: sendtodave: A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

Except this final solution will be Kosher


They don't shoot Arabs on Shabbos?
 
2014-08-06 05:05:22 PM  

sendtodave: dfacto: sendtodave: A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

Except this final solution will be Kosher

They don't shoot Arabs on Shabbos?


Not to un-snark things, but observant Jewish soldiers are required (not simply "allowed") to perform their duties on Shabbat, even if it means lighting a fire while mending a net and writing two letters.

// now back to your regularly-scheduled religion-is-silly-fest
 
2014-08-06 05:11:42 PM  

Dr Dreidel: sendtodave: dfacto: sendtodave: A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

Except this final solution will be Kosher

They don't shoot Arabs on Shabbos?

Not to un-snark things, but observant Jewish soldiers are required (not simply "allowed") to perform their duties on Shabbat, even if it means lighting a fire while mending a net and writing two letters.

// now back to your regularly-scheduled religion-is-silly-fest


Well, how would an army operate if its soldiers were able to decide to stop working whenever they felt like it?   

I think what you mean is that they're required to perform their duties on Shabbat, even if that means lighting a fire with which to kill someone. That's what soldiers do.

Israel's attempts to wrap up their national defense policies in the cloak of religion or history (they pick and choose at it suits them) just devalue that religion (and history).  It's one thing Americans generally get right, even as much as the fundies and Catholics rail against it: You can't intertwine religion and government or you turn the religion into a farce, or worse, an instrument of oppression and murder that claims to have God's own sanction.
 
2014-08-06 05:26:30 PM  

IvyLady: Well, how would an army operate if its soldiers were able to decide to stop working whenever they felt like it?

I think what you mean is that they're required to perform their duties on Shabbat, even if that means lighting a fire with which to kill someone. That's what soldiers do.


No, I mean what I said - a soldier (not specifically an Israeli one; it applied to my brother while he was in the MDANG as well) is required to perform all soldierly duties regardless of what day of the week it is.

If those duties are "light a fire, then use the light to mend a net and write down the ID number of the mended net", the soldier is just as obligated to perform them on a Friday night as on a Tuesday afternoon. When people's lives are on the line (not even literally - in the case of National Guard service in Fredneck, MD, very few lives were ever directly in jeopardy), the rules flip. It turns the Shabbat prohibitions into "you MUST do this thing (that would otherwise carry a death sentence, were you not in the military)".

// killing someone is prohibited every day of the week (and yes, especially on Sabbath)
// killing someone, if necessary to save a third person's life, is also mandatory every day of the week
 
2014-08-06 05:34:10 PM  

Dr Dreidel: sendtodave: dfacto: sendtodave: A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

Except this final solution will be Kosher

They don't shoot Arabs on Shabbos?

Not to un-snark things, but observant Jewish soldiers are required (not simply "allowed") to perform their duties on Shabbat, even if it means lighting a fire while mending a net and writing two letters.

// now back to your regularly-scheduled religion-is-silly-fest


GIS for "silly religion"

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2014-08-06 05:39:44 PM  
 
2014-08-06 05:42:42 PM  

grumpfuff: GIS for "silly religion"

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See, this guy gets it.

// meaning grumpfuff, not...oh, forget it
 
2014-08-06 05:49:08 PM  

sendtodave: IvyLady: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.

Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.

A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.


I don't see the Jews will be left much option. They have three choices. They can commit genocide, die, or leave Isreal.
 
2014-08-06 05:50:28 PM  

TappingTheVein: I agree, Hamas actions are morally indefensible.

Ahh, nothing like good old hypocrisy.


It's funny that you honestly think this magically makes the slaughter of hundreds of innocents on the orders of Israeli leadership ok.

Why exactly do you pretend to be liberal?
 
2014-08-06 05:51:22 PM  

RedVentrue: sendtodave: IvyLady: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.

Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.

A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

I don't see the Jews will be left much option. They have three choices. They can commit genocide, die, or leave Isreal.


Or reject the ineffective racist policies of Likud.
 
2014-08-06 05:57:09 PM  

RedVentrue: sendtodave: IvyLady: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.

Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.

A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

I don't see the Jews  will be left have left themselvesmuch option. They have createdthree choices. They can commit genocide, die, or leave Isreal.


FTFY
 
2014-08-06 05:58:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's funny that you honestly think this magically makes the slaughter of hundreds of innocents on the orders of Israeli leadership ok.


Who said it's OK ? the palestinian civilians are the biggest victim in all of this. Hamas using their own civilians as propaganda corpses is beyond despicable.
Obviously they don't give a flying fark about them.
 
2014-08-06 06:03:55 PM  

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: It's funny that you honestly think this magically makes the slaughter of hundreds of innocents on the orders of Israeli leadership ok.

Who said it's OK ? the palestinian civilians are the biggest victim in all of this. Hamas using their own civilians as propaganda corpses is beyond despicable.
Obviously they don't give a flying fark about them.


And neither does Israeli leadership, as they keep making new corpses.

So why are you criticizing this woman for speaking up for Palestinian civilians?  She actually gave up her post to do it, you only seem to bring it up when someone calls you on your propagandizing.

The truth is that you don't give a shiat about them at all, or you wouldn't be here every day posting rote propaganda and justifications for their deaths while unconvincingly attempting to white wash Israel's role in it.
 
2014-08-06 06:07:13 PM  
TappingTheVein:
Who said it's OK ? the palestinian civilians are the biggest victim in all of this. Hamas using their own civilians as propaganda corpses is beyond despicable.
Obviously they don't give a flying fark about them.


You're not wrong.  Still though, hundreds of dead civilians are something nobody likes to see.  I guess Israel really can't win in that respect.  It's not as if they can just allow rockets to rain down, yet it can't be an easy job trying to mitigate civilian collateral damage given the situation.  Pretty much just sucks all around.
 
2014-08-06 06:15:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: And neither does Israeli leadership, as they keep making new corpses.


I'm sorry, sitting back and getting bombed on an hourly basis is not an option.

HotWingConspiracy: So why are you criticizing this woman for speaking up for Palestinian civilians?  She actually gave up her post to do it, you only seem to bring it up when someone calls you on your propagandizing.


I have nothing against her, i just pointed out the usual hypocrisy.

HotWingConspiracy: The truth is that you don't give a shiat about them at all, or you wouldn't be here every day posting rote propaganda and justifications for their deaths while unconvincingly attempting to white wash Israel's role in it.


Explaining the retarded hypocrisy and the uncomfortable reality annoys you for some reason.
Not any country in the world in Israel's position would act any differently. In fact it would be much worse. I'm sorry, sitting back and getting bombed on an hourly basis is not an option. Direct your complaints to the jihadist genocidal terrorists who hide behind children so they can use their corpses for propaganda, you know, the ones people seem to ignore in this conflict.
 
2014-08-06 06:18:50 PM  

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: And neither does Israeli leadership, as they keep making new corpses.

I'm sorry, sitting back and getting bombed on an hourly basis is not an option.

HotWingConspiracy: So why are you criticizing this woman for speaking up for Palestinian civilians?  She actually gave up her post to do it, you only seem to bring it up when someone calls you on your propagandizing.

I have nothing against her, i just pointed out the usual hypocrisy.

HotWingConspiracy: The truth is that you don't give a shiat about them at all, or you wouldn't be here every day posting rote propaganda and justifications for their deaths while unconvincingly attempting to white wash Israel's role in it.

Explaining the retarded hypocrisy and the uncomfortable reality annoys you for some reason.
Not any country in the world in Israel's position would act any differently. In fact it would be much worse. I'm sorry, sitting back and getting bombed on an hourly basis is not an option. Direct your complaints to the jihadist genocidal terrorists who hide behind children so they can use their corpses for propaganda, you know, the ones people seem to ignore in this conflict.


So to reiterate: The truth is that you don't give a shiat about them at all, or you wouldn't be here every day posting rote propaganda and justifications for their deaths while unconvincingly attempting to white wash Israel's role in it.
 
2014-08-06 06:22:08 PM  
You cannot be moral and honest being an Anti-Semite supporting Hamas
 
2014-08-06 06:22:11 PM  

nekom: Still though, hundreds of dead civilians are something nobody likes to see


I agree. Now watch what happens when the hypocrisy related to it is explained in a UN session.
 
2014-08-06 06:25:35 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: The truth is that you don't give a shiat about them at all


Um no, that's you pulling shiat out of your ass about me. Like I said, the palestinian civilians are the biggest victims in all this mess.

HotWingConspiracy: or you wouldn't be here every day posting rote propaganda and justifications for their deaths while unconvincingly attempting to white wash Israel's role in it.


What would your country do is a similar situation ? bombed by thousands of missiles/rockets on an hourly basis by a genocidal terrorist organization who openly calls for your annihilation ?
 
2014-08-06 06:40:44 PM  

IvyLady: RedVentrue: sendtodave: IvyLady: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.

Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.

A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

I don't see the Jews  will be left have left themselvesmuch option. They have createdthree choices. They can commit genocide, die, or leave Isreal.

FTFY


HotWingConspiracy: RedVentrue: sendtodave: IvyLady: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.

Except that Israel doesn't believe there's any such thing as an innocent civilian Palestinian.

Lately I've become convinced that even if Israel realizes it's created this horrible situation, they've also come to the conclusion that there's only one reason solution.  That scares me, and it should.

A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you will.

I don't see the Jews will be left much option. They have three choices. They can commit genocide, die, or leave Isreal.

Or reject the ineffective racist policies of Likud.


I call bulshiat on both of you. Isreal has been in a constant state of war since it's formation. Any measures taken against the Palestinians has been in response to Palestinian attacks. I don't entirely hold the Palestinians responsible as they are being used by other Arab peoples.
 
2014-08-06 06:44:26 PM  
Wait, let me get my clutching pearls. You're saying that Palestianians have *always* resisted being shoved off their land and subjected to an apartheid like regime?
 
2014-08-06 07:03:40 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: But slaughtering innocent civilians by the thousands is good when Israel does it.


Well, apparently she doesn't have a problem when Israel's neighbors do it.
 
2014-08-06 07:21:57 PM  
She was useless waste of space and money in a useless made-up job created for her as a sinecure, and her baronetry was created specifically to allow her to be appointed to this made-up job. Good riddance.
 
2014-08-06 07:28:24 PM  

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: The truth is that you don't give a shiat about them at all

Um no, that's you pulling shiat out of your ass about me. Like I said, the palestinian civilians are the biggest victims in all this mess.


And you're here every day proffering boilerplate propaganda as to why it's ok to kill them in an attempt to absolve israeli leadership for ordering their deaths.

HotWingConspiracy: or you wouldn't be here every day posting rote propaganda and justifications for their deaths while unconvincingly attempting to white wash Israel's role in it.

What would your country do is a similar situation ? bombed by thousands of missiles/rockets on an hourly basis by a genocidal terrorist organization who openly calls for your annihilation ?


I dunno, not drop bombs on shelters that we declared as safe spaces to be in? We probably wouldn't run an open air prison with millions of inmates for a few decades and insist that we aren't occupiers as well.

Also, are we supposed to pretend that israelis aren't openly calling for the annihilation of Palestinians? Or is that ok too? It's all justified because israeli right wingers cannot figure out how to deal with Hamas? The amount of dissembling you do is astonishing.
 
2014-08-06 07:30:21 PM  

RedVentrue: I call bulshiat on both of you. Isreal has been in a constant state of war since it's formation. Any measures taken against the Palestinians has been in response to Palestinian attacks.


Careful, you're off message. You're always supposed to say "Hamas" and not "Palestinians". The mask slips a bit too far when you do that.

I don't entirely hold the Palestinians responsible as they are being used by other Arab peoples.

Well thank goodness they have a friend in you.
 
2014-08-06 07:33:05 PM  
TappingTheVein:
I agree. Now watch what happens when the hypocrisy related to it is explained in a UN session.

That was a good watch, thanks for that.  And let me just say that it's good to see the Israeli perspective, I say this as a man who wants to hear ALL sides of every situation.  Whether we agree or disagree, I'm glad you're here on Fark to provide your perspective.
 
2014-08-06 07:41:59 PM  

nekom: TappingTheVein:
I agree. Now watch what happens when the hypocrisy related to it is explained in a UN session.

That was a good watch, thanks for that.  And let me just say that it's good to see the Israeli perspective, I say this as a man who wants to hear ALL sides of every situation.  Whether we agree or disagree, I'm glad you're here on Fark to provide your perspective.


You could really just read Likud party press releases for his thoughts.
 
2014-08-06 07:44:48 PM  
HotWingConspiracy:
You could really just read Likud party press releases for his thoughts.

I prefer to get opinions from people actually involved in things.  You don't know how bad I wish we had a Gaza resident in these parts, but you know they don't really internet much I guess.

I'm glad you're here as well, for what that's worth.  This place shouldn't be an echo chamber with cat pictures.
 
2014-08-06 07:46:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: nekom: TappingTheVein:
I agree. Now watch what happens when the hypocrisy related to it is explained in a UN session.

That was a good watch, thanks for that.  And let me just say that it's good to see the Israeli perspective, I say this as a man who wants to hear ALL sides of every situation.  Whether we agree or disagree, I'm glad you're here on Fark to provide your perspective.

You could really just read Likud party press releases for his thoughts.


Agreed. Just look at the photos of the damage Israel has done to Gaza.

/Oh, wait.... never mind... nothing to see here!
 
2014-08-06 08:05:31 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: RedVentrue: I call bulshiat on both of you. Isreal has been in a constant state of war since it's formation. Any measures taken against the Palestinians has been in response to Palestinian attacks.

Careful, you're off message. You're always supposed to say "Hamas" and not "Palestinians". The mask slips a bit too far when you do that.

I don't entirely hold the Palestinians responsible as they are being used by other Arab peoples.

Well thank goodness they have a friend in you.


I don't support mass murder. The Palestinians started the mass murder in Israel, not the Israelis. They have a right to defend themselves. The Israeli response has been much more gentle than mine would be.
 
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