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(Mother Jones)   And what happened in Tuesday night's GOP primaries? It's all here including the President's cousin who compared Obama to Hitler losing his Kansas GOP primary and other assorted crazies   (motherjones.com) divider line 65
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2014-08-06 11:15:54 AM  
Unseating an incumbent senator is always difficult, but Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) presented an enticing challenge. In an interview with the New York Times, Roberts said he sleeps on a friend's recliner on the rare occasions he returns to Kansas. Later, in a radio interview, he admitted that he tries to return to Kansas "every time I get an opponent." Roberts might have been in trouble against a serious challenger. Instead he faced political newcomer Milton Wolf, whom he dispatched by seven points on Tuesday.

I hate Congress but I love MY Congressman.

Ellis received a rare primary endorsement from an incumbent member of Amash's Michigan delegation, GOP Rep. Mike Rogers, an NSA defender. But we're not in 2002 anymore; it turns out Amash's civil libertarianism plays pretty well in the western Michigan district that gave America Gerald Ford. Boosted by deep-pocketed donors of his own (including the DeVos family), Amash eased past Ellis, making him a sure-thing to win a third term in November.

I hate Congress but I love MY Congressman.

The War on Christmas seems to comes earlier every year: Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), a Santa impersonator who was elected to Congress by accident in 2012, was defeated in a 30-point landslide on Tuesday, becoming this year's first (and probably only) victim of the Republican establishment's dissatisfaction with congressional tea partiers.

Bentivolio never fully sold himself as a serious congressman-he once promised to hold a hearing on chemtrails, the conspiracy theory that airplanes are brainwashing Americans with poison


Congrats. You beat a guy so crazy he wanted to hold hearings on chemtrails.

Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) withstood a challenge from his predecessor, former Rep. Todd Tiahrt, in a battle for the House district that's home to Charles Koch, the billionaire GOP donor and industrialist, and his company, Koch Industries.

I hate Congress but I love MY Congressman.


This is why we can't have nice things, America.
 
2014-08-06 11:33:52 AM  
 
2014-08-06 11:41:28 AM  

lockers: it's clear that the D.C.-run right-wing groups have vastly overestimated their prowess and influence.

What pro establishment pundits may say about the Tea Party.


since there are a lot of "mainstream" Republicans who've had to start sounding like Teabaggers to survive politically, I find it hard to get too excited about reports of the death of the Tea Party.
 
2014-08-06 11:42:16 AM  
Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), a Santa impersonator who was elected to Congress by accident in 2012

What the fark, America?
 
2014-08-06 11:48:08 AM  

bdub77: This is why we can't have nice things, America.


...because the gop's shiatlords were not voted out in favor of even bigger shiatlords?
 
2014-08-06 11:54:11 AM  

sprawl15: bdub77: This is why we can't have nice things, America.

...because the gop's shiatlords were not voted out in favor of even bigger shiatlords?


Same difference. Jack Johnson beat John Jackson, basically.

But it's pretty bad when despite voter discontent you can't even primary these shiatnuggets. When people go to the polls in November just watch, we'll just end up seeing the same pieces of sh*t in office again.
 
2014-08-06 12:00:29 PM  
But we're not in 2002 anymore; it turns out Amash's civil libertarianism plays pretty well in the western Michigan district that gave America Gerald Ford.

That's right.
 
2014-08-06 12:04:40 PM  

jake_lex: lockers: it's clear that the D.C.-run right-wing groups have vastly overestimated their prowess and influence.

What pro establishment pundits may say about the Tea Party.

since there are a lot of "mainstream" Republicans who've had to start sounding like Teabaggers to survive politically, I find it hard to get too excited about reports of the death of the Tea Party.


Yeah, I think I was overly optimistic about this.  Earlier in the year, it sounded like the GOP  power brokers were getting tired of the Tea Party's crap and were going to primary them out.  But that never materialized.
 
2014-08-06 12:07:57 PM  
Another exciting battle between RINOs and democratic plants to see who gets to mount Reagan's withered corpse and hump it to electoral victory?
 
2014-08-06 12:09:23 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: jake_lex: lockers: it's clear that the D.C.-run right-wing groups have vastly overestimated their prowess and influence.

What pro establishment pundits may say about the Tea Party.

since there are a lot of "mainstream" Republicans who've had to start sounding like Teabaggers to survive politically, I find it hard to get too excited about reports of the death of the Tea Party.

Yeah, I think I was overly optimistic about this.  Earlier in the year, it sounded like the GOP  power brokers were getting tired of the Tea Party's crap and were going to primary them out.  But that never materialized.


The Tea Party is backed by some very wealthy people, and supported by some very stupid people. You can't just get rid of that.

I think the power brokers are more concerned about the fact they aren't really important anymore. A rich guy used to have to lobby a Congressman to do something, now he can just literally give him as much money as you want through superPACs and other money funneling schemes. And what's more, the rich guy doesn't even want anything, just business as usual (do nothing, vote against everything) while he consolidates power at the state level.
 
2014-08-06 12:12:58 PM  

bdub77: Benevolent Misanthrope: jake_lex: lockers: it's clear that the D.C.-run right-wing groups have vastly overestimated their prowess and influence.

What pro establishment pundits may say about the Tea Party.

since there are a lot of "mainstream" Republicans who've had to start sounding like Teabaggers to survive politically, I find it hard to get too excited about reports of the death of the Tea Party.

Yeah, I think I was overly optimistic about this.  Earlier in the year, it sounded like the GOP  power brokers were getting tired of the Tea Party's crap and were going to primary them out.  But that never materialized.

The Tea Party is backed by some very wealthy people, and supported by some very stupid people. You can't just get rid of that.

I think the power brokers are more concerned about the fact they aren't really important anymore. A rich guy used to have to lobby a Congressman to do something, now he can just literally give him as much money as you want through superPACs and other money funneling schemes. And what's more, the rich guy doesn't even want anything, just business as usual (do nothing, vote against everything) while he consolidates power at the state level.


Yeah - I think the Republicans did not think their cunning plan all the way through when they endorsed Citizens United.
 
2014-08-06 12:22:07 PM  
i.imgur.com

Mother Jones commenters never fail to bring the lulz to Ron Paul disciples funded by the DeVos family and are nonetheless "anti-Americans."
 
2014-08-06 12:47:21 PM  
"Tea Party Extremism" was standard GOP policy from 2001 to 2009.
 
2014-08-06 01:07:43 PM  

James!: democratic plants


Ferns?
www.independent.co.uk
 
2014-08-06 01:10:00 PM  
And in Kansas, the verdict is clear: You shouldn't post x-rays of gunshot victims on Facebook.

Dude's incredibly lucky OCR didn't come and investigate his ass for HIPAA violations.
 
2014-08-06 01:43:23 PM  
And what happened in Tuesday night's GOP primaries? It's all here including the President's cousin who compared Obama to Hitler losing his Kansas GOP primary and other assorted crazies

subby is redundant
 
2014-08-06 01:49:17 PM  

what_now: But we're not in 2002 anymore; it turns out Amash's civil libertarianism plays pretty well in the western Michigan district that gave America Gerald Ford.

That's right.


What's the skinny on Amash?
 
2014-08-06 01:53:15 PM  
One of the other articles describes the dude as Obama's second cousin, once removed. This is what that looks like:

img.fark.net

Why is this significant?
 
2014-08-06 01:55:39 PM  

bdub77: a Santa impersonator


Can you impersonate a fictional character?
 
2014-08-06 01:56:42 PM  

Markus5: what_now: But we're not in 2002 anymore; it turns out Amash's civil libertarianism plays pretty well in the western Michigan district that gave America Gerald Ford.

That's right.

What's the skinny on Amash?


It turns out people, especially Arab-Americans, get annoyed when you call them al-Qaeda sympathizers based on their votes against NSA spying.

Amash is the guy who created the amendment which was barely defeated by both parties' establishments to defund NSA spying on Americans. The Republicans also kicked him out of all committees.
 
2014-08-06 01:57:46 PM  
I really don't know how any sane and educated person that is not a millionaire can call themselves a Republican.

I get why greedy rich people call themselves Republicans.

I get the uneducated and/or racist idiots that believe all of the AM talk and Fox Newschannel propaganda.

But I figured the rest were better than that. Sadly they are not.

I live in Kansas, I have no choice but to vote for Democrats. That's not something I take a great deal of pride in. I simply have no other choice as an educated person.
 
2014-08-06 01:58:08 PM  

exick: Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), a Santa impersonator who was elected to Congress by accident in 2012

What the fark, America?


Getting the most votes is an accident?
 
2014-08-06 01:59:53 PM  
Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), a Santa impersonator who was elected to Congress by accident in 2012, was defeated in a 30-point landslide on Tuesday, becoming this year's first (and probably only) victim of the Republican establishment's dissatisfaction with congressional tea partiers.

But Trott attacked Bentivolio for voting to raise the debt ceiling and in general not being conservative enough, while also promising to vote to repeal Obamacare.  You expect me to believe there's some kind of difference here?
 
2014-08-06 02:00:16 PM  

bdub77: sprawl15: bdub77: This is why we can't have nice things, America.

...because the gop's shiatlords were not voted out in favor of even bigger shiatlords?

Same difference. Jack Johnson beat John Jackson, basically.

But it's pretty bad when despite voter discontent you can't even primary these shiatnuggets. When people go to the polls in November just watch, we'll just end up seeing the same pieces of sh*t in office again.


Maybe some sane people should run. If I had the incredible misfortune of living in some of these districts, I'd probably run. However, next month I'm moving into Jan Schakowsky's district. She ain't going anywhere any time soon. And good:

Schakowsky is by some accounts the most Progressive member of the current US Congress. She is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. She frequently gains ratings of between 90 and 100 from liberal and progressive interest groups and lower ratings from conservative groups.

But I digress. Get better people to run.
 
2014-08-06 02:00:19 PM  
Tiahrt was a close ally of Koch Industries during his House tenure in the '90s and 2000s,  taking in more than $329,000 from the company's PAC and employees over the course of his career. But Pompeo-whom Tiahrt handpicked to replace him when he ran for US Senate (and lost) in 2010-has since become Koch's favorite son.The company endorsed Pompeo this time around. Koch's backing boosted the incumbent's monetary advantage

Must be nice for the Koch Boys to be able to pick and chose which of the politicians lining up and groveling for their favor is gonna win.

Aint democracy grand?
 
2014-08-06 02:00:31 PM  

Car_Ramrod: One of the other articles describes the dude as Obama's second cousin, once removed. This is what that looks like:



Why is this significant?


Because in Kansas David would've married Emna.
 
2014-08-06 02:02:10 PM  

whither_apophis: Car_Ramrod: One of the other articles describes the dude as Obama's second cousin, once removed. This is what that looks like:



Why is this significant?

Because in Kansas David would've married Emna.


Emma

/I hate this farking phone...
 
2014-08-06 02:03:05 PM  

bdub77: sprawl15: bdub77: This is why we can't have nice things, America.

...because the gop's shiatlords were not voted out in favor of even bigger shiatlords?

Same difference.


no, it's not

whining about how incumbents get reelected doesn't make any sense when the other option is just as bad

if every four years i came by, offered two bowls of shiat, said you'd have to eat one, and asked which one you'd prefer, always choosing the one on the left is no better an option than switching it up every now and then
 
2014-08-06 02:05:19 PM  

qorkfiend: bdub77: a Santa impersonator

Can you impersonate a fictional character?


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-06 02:08:34 PM  

qorkfiend: bdub77: a Santa impersonator

Can you impersonate a fictional character?


Unless this is the real SpiderMan, yes.

brocouncil.com

There's a film about impersonating fictional characters.
 
2014-08-06 02:15:27 PM  

whither_apophis: Car_Ramrod: One of the other articles describes the dude as Obama's second cousin, once removed. This is what that looks like:

Why is this significant?

Because in Kansas David would've married Emna.


I live in Kansas.  My aunt and uncle are second cousins (Frank and Gwen in that diagram).  They have 5 kids: 2 are complete idiots, 1 is almost completely deaf and blind, 1 has a cleft palate so bad it's more correctly called a cleft head, and 1 is seemingly normal.  Yes, they are insanely religious, vote GOP religiously, hate Obama, gays, and liberals in general, and are genuinely convinced Obama has ushered in the end times.  Not that they're coming down the road, the end times are here right now.  I can't even fathom their insanity when Hillary is elected.
 
2014-08-06 02:16:22 PM  

bdub77: I hate Congress but I love MY Congressman.


At least for the Kansas candidates, Roberts was a "lesser of two evils" candidate while Pompeo was a "six of one, half dozen of the other" candidate.

Roberts actually won a very close race over an absolute nutball, indicating that there were a lot of people not pleased with him.  Pompeo won because Tiahrt came out of the gate with a super negative campaign without every really indicating why he would be any different compared to Pompeo.

The state also just got its S&P rating downgraded today, so that ought to make for a fun campaign topic.
 
2014-08-06 02:17:01 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Markus5: what_now: But we're not in 2002 anymore; it turns out Amash's civil libertarianism plays pretty well in the western Michigan district that gave America Gerald Ford.

That's right.

What's the skinny on Amash?

It turns out people, especially Arab-Americans, get annoyed when you call them al-Qaeda sympathizers based on their votes against NSA spying.

Amash is the guy who created the amendment which was barely defeated by both parties' establishments to defund NSA spying on Americans. The Republicans also kicked him out of all committees.


Ah.  That explains the fawning of the neo-libertarians and paulites.
 
2014-08-06 02:19:01 PM  
No mention of Sam Brownback watching 37% of his party vote for a pro-hemp candidate, and then blaming it on everyone "hating Obama"?
 
2014-08-06 02:22:08 PM  

regindyn: exick: Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), a Santa impersonator who was elected to Congress by accident in 2012

What the fark, America?

Getting the most votes is an accident?


Getting the nomination was an accident because Thad Cotter farked up filling out his paperwork to run back in 2010 leaving Captain Chemtrail the only person on the ballot..

He was an aberration, a blip destined to do his 2 yeas and then get turfed.
 
2014-08-06 02:22:28 PM  

jayhawk88: No mention of Sam Brownback watching 37% of his party vote for a pro-hemp candidate, and then blaming it on everyone "hating Obama"?


Wat?

Really, I'm not conversant with Kansas politics...who are we talking about here?
 
2014-08-06 02:28:24 PM  

regindyn: exick: Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), a Santa impersonator who was elected to Congress by accident in 2012

What the fark, America?

Getting the most votes is an accident?


He was an afterthought on the ballot. The other R was going to win, but was removed from the ballot, and this guy won by default. The article says he was never serious about being a congressman.
 
2014-08-06 02:36:20 PM  

rugman11: The state also just got its S&P rating downgraded today, so that ought to make for a fun campaign topic.


Holy crap, they did!  That makes sense, S&P are on the LOPCATGOPATA.  Still, should make Davis' election rhetoric a little more aggressive.
 
2014-08-06 02:39:15 PM  

Stone Meadow: jayhawk88: No mention of Sam Brownback watching 37% of his party vote for a pro-hemp candidate, and then blaming it on everyone "hating Obama"?

Wat?

Really, I'm not conversant with Kansas politics...who are we talking about here?


The other candidate was Jennifer Winn, a landscaping business owner who raised only $13,000 for her "campaign," compared to Brownbacks $1.8 million.  Her candidacy was mainly based on her son being charged with felony murder for arranging a drug deal that went bad and resulted in somebody getting killed (he was neither the buyer nor the seller, just arranged the meet).

She is pro-legalization of hemp, pro-legalization of medical marijuana, pro-choice, and pro-civil unions, but her main argument was about marijuana reform.

In reality, she was just "Not Brownback," which is all a lot of people want right now.
 
2014-08-06 02:44:12 PM  

rugman11: In reality, she was just "Not Brownback," which is all a lot of people want right now.


And when asked about this, Brownback's answer was essentially "Well the voters are just so mad at Obama, they're lashing out, not unlike how a small child throws a temper tantrum. Because that's how I see citizens of Kansas, as small children that need to be disciplined. Kind of like how you take away a child to teach them a lesson? That's what we're doing with health care and social safety nets." (I may have paraphrased a bit there).

http://www.kshb.com/news/political/brownback-voters-so-mad-at-obama- th ey-want-somebody-to-throw-a-brick
 
2014-08-06 02:47:36 PM  

Car_Ramrod: One of the other articles describes the dude as Obama's second cousin, once removed. This is what that looks like:

[img.fark.net image 555x287]

Why is this significant?


Some families are close enough that 2nd cousins and such are still very familiar with each other. I attend a family picnic each year where many of my cousins are in attendance and their kids are often there as well, so there are numerous second cousins there. It's seems mildly amusing to me that Obama might have been at a picnic with that guy, perhaps having a beer and hot dogs and chatting... only to have him compare Obama to Hitler the next day.
 
2014-08-06 02:54:05 PM  

jayhawk88: rugman11: In reality, she was just "Not Brownback," which is all a lot of people want right now.

And when asked about this, Brownback's answer was essentially "Well the voters are just so mad at Obama, they're lashing out, not unlike how a small child throws a temper tantrum. Because that's how I see citizens of Kansas, as small children that need to be disciplined. Kind of like how you take away a child to teach them a lesson? That's what we're doing with health care and social safety nets." (I may have paraphrased a bit there).

http://www.kshb.com/news/political/brownback-voters-so-mad-at-obama- th ey-want-somebody-to-throw-a-brick


I loved how his Weeners last night (once it became apparent that Winn was going to win 35-40% of the vote) was basically "some voters don't think I'm conservative enough," which aside from being completely ludicrous, misses entirely that Winn ran on a fairly liberal platform (at least liberal compared to Brownback).
 
2014-08-06 02:58:49 PM  

sprawl15: whining about how incumbents get reelected doesn't make any sense when the other option is just as bad

if every four years i came by, offered two bowls of shiat, said you'd have to eat one, and asked which one you'd prefer, always choosing the one on the left is no better an option than switching it up every now and then


"The other option is just as bad" doesn't really apply anymore in the US. The parties have pretty much sorted themselves out - if you look at House members' ideological "scores", the rightmost Dem is well to the left of the leftmost Rep.

For Republican primaries these days, you might have a point - you can choose either a Tea Party True Believer, or someone else who once in office will vote exactly like a TPTB to avoid losing his next primary to one.
 
2014-08-06 03:00:37 PM  
Amash apparently didn't take kindly to being called "Al Queda's best friend" during the race.  He didn't even take his challenger's (Ellis) concession call.

"You had the audacity to try to call me today after running a campaign that was called 'the nastiest in the country,'" Amash continued. "I ran for office to stop people like you."

And: 'Amash also used his remarks to take aim at supporters of Ellis, including former Rep. Pete Hoekstra. "I want to say to lobbyist Pete Hoekstra," Amash said. "You are a disgrace. And I'm glad we could hand you one more loss before you fade into total obscurity and irrelevance."'

That's quite a victory speech.
 
2014-08-06 03:06:51 PM  

rugman11: Stone Meadow: jayhawk88: No mention of Sam Brownback watching 37% of his party vote for a pro-hemp candidate, and then blaming it on everyone "hating Obama"?

Wat?

Really, I'm not conversant with Kansas politics...who are we talking about here?

The other candidate was Jennifer Winn, a landscaping business owner who raised only $13,000 for her "campaign," compared to Brownbacks $1.8 million.  Her candidacy was mainly based on her son being charged with felony murder for arranging a drug deal that went bad and resulted in somebody getting killed (he was neither the buyer nor the seller, just arranged the meet).

She is pro-legalization of hemp, pro-legalization of medical marijuana, pro-choice, and pro-civil unions, but her main argument was about marijuana reform.

In reality, she was just "Not Brownback," which is all a lot of people want right now.


Wow...just wow. Thanks.
 
2014-08-06 03:13:01 PM  

sprawl15: bdub77: sprawl15: bdub77: This is why we can't have nice things, America.

...because the gop's shiatlords were not voted out in favor of even bigger shiatlords?

Same difference.

no, it's not

whining about how incumbents get reelected doesn't make any sense when the other option is just as bad

if every four years i came by, offered two bowls of shiat, said you'd have to eat one, and asked which one you'd prefer, always choosing the one on the left is no better an option than switching it up every now and then


Excuse me? Do you seriously have a farking point? You started with a weak general rhetorical comment and then cherry picked my response.

No Congressman is elected every four years. Do your homework.

Incumbents, regardless of political affiliation, still seem to be getting elected at the same high incumbency rate, even at the primary level, which of course leads them into a showdown in their gerrymandered district in which they are all but promised to win in a landslide because their voter base likes them.

In this case, two more moderate candidates lost to more conservative Republicans. If we're going to do anything in this country it has to be on the backs of an ideological push left. We can't really go any further right. Now, I also argued that regardless of who wins in one of these primaries, it's same difference. At this point, it really would be an incremental improvement. The GOP doesn't have any ideas right now. But maybe on the backs of different candidates we'd see some. Maybe.

Oh I'm sorry. Yes, sh*t sandwiches. Maybe you should eat one. Yes the GOP sucks. But less extremism in the GOP would be a good starting point, as smelly as they may sound, because it pushes the agenda back to the old middle.

Frankly I'd rather these guys ate a bag of dicks at the polls and lost to Democrats. We can all dream.
 
2014-08-06 03:14:12 PM  

PoweredByIrony: Amash apparently didn't take kindly to being called "Al Queda's best friend" during the race.  He didn't even take his challenger's (Ellis) concession call.

"You had the audacity to try to call me today after running a campaign that was called 'the nastiest in the country,'" Amash continued. "I ran for office to stop people like you."

And: 'Amash also used his remarks to take aim at supporters of Ellis, including former Rep. Pete Hoekstra. "I want to say to lobbyist Pete Hoekstra," Amash said. "You are a disgrace. And I'm glad we could hand you one more loss before you fade into total obscurity and irrelevance."'

That's quite a victory speech.


Amash better not get in any small planes...
 
2014-08-06 03:19:57 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: "The other option is just as bad" doesn't really apply anymore in the US


except i'm not arguing "the other option is just as bad". i'm arguing "incumbents are not somehow inherently worse than newcomers". i used the example of "both options are equally bad" as context because it gives as much leeway as possible to the idea that incumbents are somehow inherently worse

Gaseous Anomaly: For Republican primaries these days, you might have a point - you can choose either a Tea Party True Believer, or someone else who once in office will vote exactly like a TPTB to avoid losing his next primary to one.


every single example in the OP was a republican primary

bdub77: Yes, sh*t sandwiches. Maybe you should eat one.


why did you bother writing up a big wall of text when you could have just posted "imagine i whined a whole lot about nothing then got upset because i don't understand anything"

it really takes a special kind of poster to get incredibly, pathetically upset about a nitpick that a general comment about incumbencies isn't specifically framed as a comment on a specific house of congress and then turn around and act like sandwiches are served in a bowl
 
2014-08-06 03:26:23 PM  

PoweredByIrony: Amash apparently didn't take kindly to being called "Al Queda's best friend" during the race.  He didn't even take his challenger's (Ellis) concession call.

"You had the audacity to try to call me today after running a campaign that was called 'the nastiest in the country,'" Amash continued. "I ran for office to stop people like you."

And: 'Amash also used his remarks to take aim at supporters of Ellis, including former Rep. Pete Hoekstra. "I want to say to lobbyist Pete Hoekstra," Amash said. "You are a disgrace. And I'm glad we could hand you one more loss before you fade into total obscurity and irrelevance."'

That's quite a victory speech.


Wow. Seriously, that is pretty impressive.
 
2014-08-06 03:26:56 PM  

sprawl15: why did you bother writing up a big wall of text when you could have just posted "imagine i whined a whole lot about nothing then got upset because i don't understand anything"

it really takes a special kind of poster to get incredibly, pathetically upset about a nitpick that a general comment about incumbencies isn't specifically framed as a comment on a specific house of congress and then turn around and act like sandwiches are served in a bowl


Ad hominem after ad hominem. Still no position in sight. You suck at arguing.
 
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