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(Slate)   An historian once beloved by Conservatives far and wide now finds himself at the tips of their pitchforks and torches after he writes a book criticizing and exposing the shallow presidency of Ronald Reagan   (slate.com) divider line 93
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2014-08-06 08:35:26 AM  
Well, there you go again....

In all seriousness, though, I don't think Reagan was ever a strict ideologue.  It was more about a positive image, coming out of the dark days of the 1970's (Vietnam, Oil Crisis, Hostages).  But it was mostly just image.  That's not to say he didn't believe in some things, but that he wasn't a policy wonk.

Much same could be said about Bill Clinton, btw:  I don't think he held a firm belief on very much, he was very much willing to co-opt at least parts of the Republican platform when Congress went from D to R control in 1994.  But damn if he wasn't engaging to listen to, much like Reagan.
 
2014-08-06 09:06:17 AM  
about time someone printed the truth about the clown.
 
2014-08-06 09:18:41 AM  
Nancy made a better president.
 
2014-08-06 09:19:46 AM  
"An historian?"

Subby's British?

"'ALLO, GUVNUH!!!"
 
2014-08-06 09:20:45 AM  

PreMortem: Nancy made a better president.


She gave better blowjobs.
 
2014-08-06 09:21:18 AM  
The beatification of Reagan is an entirely politically driven PR effort.

The job of a historian is to find out what happened while filtering out PR efforts, misinformation, propaganda and so on.

What did these shiat wizards expect?
 
2014-08-06 09:29:47 AM  
I'd be willing to wager one family-size drum of pudding that the next "Rush Revere" book is all about Lil' Rusty and the Checkers Gang traveling back to 1980 to meet Saint Reagan.
 
2014-08-06 09:39:37 AM  

gopher321: PreMortem: Nancy made a better president.

She gave better blowjobs.


Whoa, hey now.


/I bet you're right
 
2014-08-06 09:42:54 AM  

gopher321: PreMortem: Nancy made a better president.

She gave better blowjobs.


Back during the Reagan presidency, a friend of mine had a 1972 Chrysler New Yorker.  Had a big old 440 V8 in it.  He used to say that when you hammered in the gas pedal, it would give you "Nancy Reagan acceleration face".
 
2014-08-06 09:57:10 AM  
Reagan's biggest accomplishment was doubling the self-employment tax.
 
2014-08-06 10:01:58 AM  
Of course they hate the book.
GOPers and 'baggers have an aversion to the truth.
They prefer things that are "truthy."
 
2014-08-06 10:04:27 AM  

gopher321: PreMortem: Nancy made a better president.

She gave better blowjobs.


So you got head from both of them, wow!
That must have been quite the party.
Did he every at one point say " That's nothing mommy, watch this."?
 
2014-08-06 10:06:02 AM  

give me doughnuts: Of course they hate the book.
GOPers and 'baggers have an aversion to the truth.
They prefer things that are "truthy."


Plus the current crop of Republicans have all been scrambling to be more Reagan than Reagan.  It would sting a bit if too many people learned that Reagan wasn't the Prophet he has been made out to be.
 
2014-08-06 10:06:46 AM  

Tigger: The beatification of Reagan is an entirely politically driven PR effort.

The job of a historian is to find out what happened while filtering out PR efforts, misinformation, propaganda and so on.

What did these shiat wizards expect?


More propaganda. It has to be ... catapulted, you know.
 
2014-08-06 10:10:26 AM  
You know, in 500 years, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a major religion founded around Reagan being the 2nd coming of Christ. I'm pretty sure this is how all religions start.
 
2014-08-06 10:11:21 AM  

dittybopper: Well, there you go again....

In all seriousness, though, I don't think Reagan was ever a strict ideologue.  It was more about a positive image, coming out of the dark days of the 1970's (Vietnam, Oil Crisis, Hostages).  But it was mostly just image.  That's not to say he didn't believe in some things, but that he wasn't a policy wonk.

Much same could be said about Bill Clinton, btw:  I don't think he held a firm belief on very much, he was very much willing to co-opt at least parts of the Republican platform when Congress went from D to R control in 1994.  But damn if he wasn't engaging to listen to, much like Reagan
.

wake.

FTFY.
 
2014-08-06 10:14:14 AM  
it really sounds like an interesting book though I don't know if I could read it without flames shooting out of my eyeballs every six seconds
 
2014-08-06 10:16:57 AM  
 
2014-08-06 10:17:16 AM  

dittybopper: It was more about a positive image, coming out of the dark days of the 1970's (Vietnam, Oil Crisis, Hostages).


It was about first creating the "dark days" (seriously, we never had wars and inflation and political divisiveness and social unrest before?), then setting himself up as the guy to show us the light (and thanks Religious Right for that metaphor).

Or, as you say:

dittybopper: But it was mostly just image.

 
2014-08-06 10:19:14 AM  

Captain_Sunshine: Nadie_AZ:   More propaganda. It has to be ... catapulted, you know.

Well, they're doing that:

The Ronald Reagan Legacy Project is dedicated to building or dedicating a monument to "this country's greatest President" in all 50 states and in every county in America.

Seriously.


So, kinda like Lenin?
 
2014-08-06 10:19:48 AM  
Obligatory:

minorjive.typepad.com
 
2014-08-06 10:22:32 AM  

theorellior: Obligatory:

[minorjive.typepad.com image 550x752]


That's what I came here to see. +1
 
2014-08-06 10:29:15 AM  

Shostie: "An historian?"

Subby's British?

"'ALLO, GUVNUH!!!"


It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I. ;)
 
2014-08-06 10:29:30 AM  

gopher321: PreMortem: Nancy made a better president.

She gave better blowjobs.


How do you know that Reagan's BJs weren't just the bomb?
 
2014-08-06 10:33:18 AM  

Shostie: "An historian?"

Subby's British?

"'ALLO, GUVNUH!!!"


img.fark.net

No! No! No! Anne Historian!
 
2014-08-06 10:33:53 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Reagan's biggest accomplishment was doubling the self-employment tax.


Creating the 'High Wage Earner' tax bracket for mostly union thugs and taxing overtime was a bigger deal.
 
2014-08-06 10:34:46 AM  
Eric S. "Rick" Perlstein (born 1969) is an American historian and journalist. He is a former writer for The Village Voice and The New Republic. He has also written for Mother Jones, The Nation, and many other magazines. He also wrote a political column for RollingStone.com

                        Subby:  An historian once beloved by Conservatives . . .


ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-06 10:36:44 AM  

MithrandirBooga: You know, in 500 years, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a major religion founded around Reagan being the 2nd coming of Christ. I'm pretty sure this is how all religions start.


I've come from the future to tell you that Reagan is simply the prophet that fortold the true son of liberty: Ted Cruz, praise be upon him.

Reagan knew the path. Ted Cruz walks the path. He is The One.
 
2014-08-06 10:36:45 AM  
"could lose a battle, suck it up, and then regroup to fight a thousand battles more.

THIS is  one of the things I admire about the conservative movement, expecially when you contrast that to the progressive movement.

Especially evident in my own state, When the public unions lost the battle on Act 10 the dems lost their collective shiat and went into a very ill conceived recall.
they wasted so much energy that could have been spent organizing identifying candidates and hitting back in 2012 instead we are still in a shambles and lobing a hail mary (pun intended) to defeat Scott Walker.

For someone so dependent on unions we suck at organizing.
 
2014-08-06 10:38:35 AM  

Tigger: The beatification of Reagan is an entirely politically driven PR effort.

The job of a historian is to find out what happened while filtering out PR efforts, misinformation, propaganda and so on.

What did these shiat wizards expect?


That is the problem with modern conservatives and their absolutist views.  Any realistic portrayal of Ronald Reagan will get criticized by modern conservatives because it doesn't portray him as the greatest American ever born, with a perfection akin to Christ.

Personally I still wonder how much of the Reagan presidency(as well as his California governorship) was Reagan the true leader, or an actor playing a part while others in the background made the real decisions.  Who else better for the role than a 2nd rate John Wayne?
 
2014-08-06 10:40:46 AM  
My grandmother loved Reagan. I loved my grandmother. So I can't _completely_ hate Reagan, because he reminds me of her.

blogs.reuters.com
 
2014-08-06 10:40:54 AM  
So there's a guy with a Nixon tattoo on his back?
 
2014-08-06 10:46:59 AM  

StopLurkListen: My grandmother loved Reagan. I loved my grandmother. So I can't _completely_ hate Reagan, because he reminds me of her.

[blogs.reuters.com image 850x1067]


Was your grandmother a lesbian? Cause she sure looks like one...
 
2014-08-06 10:47:59 AM  

onzmadi: "could lose a battle, suck it up, and then regroup to fight a thousand battles more.

THIS is  one of the things I admire about the conservative movement, expecially when you contrast that to the progressive movement.

Especially evident in my own state, When the public unions lost the battle on Act 10 the dems lost their collective shiat and went into a very ill conceived recall.
they wasted so much energy that could have been spent organizing identifying candidates and hitting back in 2012 instead we are still in a shambles and lobing a hail mary (pun intended) to defeat Scott Walker.

For someone so dependent on unions we suck at organizing.


the State parties have really suffered in the last 15 years, despite the national party mostly getting its shiat together.
 
2014-08-06 10:48:44 AM  

heavymetal: Tigger: The beatification of Reagan is an entirely politically driven PR effort.

The job of a historian is to find out what happened while filtering out PR efforts, misinformation, propaganda and so on.

What did these shiat wizards expect?

That is the problem with modern conservatives and their absolutist views.  Any realistic portrayal of Ronald Reagan will get criticized by modern conservatives because it doesn't portray him as the greatest American ever born, with a perfection akin to Christ.

Personally I still wonder how much of the Reagan presidency(as well as his California governorship) was Reagan the true leader, or an actor playing a part while others in the background made the real decisions.  Who else better for the role than a 2nd rate John Wayne?


It's like complaining that a history of the Tudors doesn't begin with

Henry VII would arrive at court on a giant flying codpiece adorned with the skulls of defeated French Kings. After personally tearing down the Vatican and destroying Catholicism forever he turned his attention to developing the South East Asian tourist economy with a focus on documentary film.
 
2014-08-06 10:50:46 AM  

The Larch: MithrandirBooga: You know, in 500 years, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a major religion founded around Reagan being the 2nd coming of Christ. I'm pretty sure this is how all religions start.

I've come from the future to tell you that Reagan is simply the prophet that fortold the true son of liberty: Ted Cruz, praise be upon him.

Reagan knew the path. Ted Cruz walks the path. He is The One.


If I cut his head off with a sword, do I get to be The One?
media.comicbookmovie.com
 
2014-08-06 10:54:44 AM  

ginandbacon: It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I me.


Objective case, because it is the object of a prepositional phrase.
 
2014-08-06 10:57:03 AM  

ginandbacon: Shostie: "An historian?"

Subby's British?

"'ALLO, GUVNUH!!!"

It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I. ;)


It depends on your dialect/pronunciation - basically you use "an" if the h is unsounded (and thus the word when spoken sounds like it starts with a vowel). Frequently "a" is used in written form regardless, however the writer would pronounce the word.
 
2014-08-06 10:58:10 AM  

BMulligan: ginandbacon: It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I me.

Objective case, because it is the object of a prepositional phrase.


All right, which one is the Gestapo and which one is the Wehrmacht here?

I cannot keep my Grammar You-Know-Whose straight.
 
2014-08-06 10:58:53 AM  

BMulligan: ginandbacon: It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I me.

Objective case, because it is the object of a prepositional phrase.


Jawohl, Herr Obersturmbannführer.
 
2014-08-06 11:00:31 AM  

Shostie: "An historian?"

Subby's British?

"'ALLO, GUVNUH!!!"


Cockney
 
2014-08-06 11:02:05 AM  

xria: ginandbacon: Shostie: "An historian?"

Subby's British?

"'ALLO, GUVNUH!!!"

It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I. ;)

It depends on your dialect/pronunciation - basically you use "an" if the h is unsounded (and thus the word when spoken sounds like it starts with a vowel). Frequently "a" is used in written form regardless, however the writer would pronounce the word.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11642588
 
2014-08-06 11:04:17 AM  

Dr Dreidel: dittybopper: It was more about a positive image, coming out of the dark days of the 1970's (Vietnam, Oil Crisis, Hostages).

It was about first creating the "dark days" (seriously, we never had wars and inflation and political divisiveness and social unrest before?), then setting himself up as the guy to show us the light (and thanks Religious Right for that metaphor).

Or, as you say:

dittybopper: But it was mostly just image.


It wasn't about creating the dark days:  I was there.  The Seventies really did *SUCK*.

I remember the odd-even gas rationing, soaring crime, the lingering after-effects of Vietnam (including the fall of Saigon), the Iran Hostage crisis (which lasted for well over a year and included a failed rescue attempt), and finally, Disco.

The only real bright spot in that entire decade was the short-lived TV series  Quark.
 
2014-08-06 11:05:41 AM  

onzmadi: "could lose a battle, suck it up, and then regroup to fight a thousand battles more.

THIS is  one of the things I admire about the conservative movement, expecially when you contrast that to the progressive movement.

Especially evident in my own state, When the public unions lost the battle on Act 10 the dems lost their collective shiat and went into a very ill conceived recall.
they wasted so much energy that could have been spent organizing identifying candidates and hitting back in 2012 instead we are still in a shambles and lobing a hail mary (pun intended) to defeat Scott Walker.

For someone so dependent on unions we suck at organizing.


Republicans have never lacked boldness to the point of audacity.  They remind of Vince McMahon.  While the Dems are left sputtering in outrage over the terrible behavior of Republicans, the GOP are solidifying their gains and moving on to the next battle.
 
2014-08-06 11:06:52 AM  

dittybopper: I remember the odd-even gas rationing, soaring crime, the lingering after-effects of Vietnam (including the fall of Saigon), the Iran Hostage crisis (which lasted for well over a year and included a failed rescue attempt), and finally, Disco.


Forgot to mention Three Mile Island, which was just 100 miles upwind of where I was living at the time.
 
2014-08-06 11:06:56 AM  

BMulligan: ginandbacon: It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I me.

Objective case, because it is the object of a prepositional phrase.


Ya know, I really thought the winky smiley face would be a clue.
 
2014-08-06 11:07:46 AM  
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not."

It's stunning to me a national leader could say this and not get ridden out of office on a rail in hails of laughter.  What an utter joke.
 
2014-08-06 11:07:57 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: BMulligan: ginandbacon: It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I me.

Objective case, because it is the object of a prepositional phrase.

All right, which one is the Gestapo and which one is the Wehrmacht here?

I cannot keep my Grammar You-Know-Whose straight.


Very subtle, very nice.
 
2014-08-06 11:15:29 AM  

ginandbacon: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: BMulligan: ginandbacon: It's not any more correct in BE either, just between you and I me.

Objective case, because it is the object of a prepositional phrase.

All right, which one is the Gestapo and which one is the Wehrmacht here?

I cannot keep my Grammar You-Know-Whose straight.

Very subtle, very nice.


But I'm waiting for the History Nazi to come in and point out it should have been "Abwehr" instead of "Wehrmacht".
 
2014-08-06 11:16:13 AM  

heavymetal: Personally I still wonder how much of the Reagan presidency(as well as his California governorship) was Reagan the true leader, or an actor playing a part while others in the background made the real decisions.


If last night's Drunk History is any guide, it was mostly the latter.
 
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