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2014-08-06 06:33:42 AM  
OLD news is 54 years old.
 
2014-08-06 08:09:58 AM  
4 years younger, and 400 times more likely to sleep with Hollywood starlets.
 
2014-08-06 08:18:10 AM  
is he any deader?  'cause THAT would be news.
 
2014-08-06 08:22:54 AM  
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2014-08-06 08:23:26 AM  
i47.photobucket.com

Ahh, Nixon... He missed his body... "flabby, pasty-skinned, riddled with phlebitis-a good Republican body."
 
2014-08-06 08:35:03 AM  
Up until 1963.  After that, Kennedy didn't age much.
 
2014-08-06 08:37:37 AM  
This. Changes. Everything.
 
2014-08-06 08:41:51 AM  
Yes. IIRC when he and Kennedy became Senators they were hailed as representing the new generation of American politics.
 
2014-08-06 08:45:04 AM  
I would believe 4X a better president.
 
2014-08-06 08:48:53 AM  
Early 40's vs late 40's can make a world of difference.....
 
2014-08-06 08:51:25 AM  
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Nope. Six years older.
 
2014-08-06 08:53:12 AM  
If Kennedy were running for office today, we'd be hearing about how his extreme right-wing views made him unsuitable for office.
 
2014-08-06 08:55:35 AM  
WHAR BIRTH CERTIFICATES?!? WHAR?!?
 
2014-08-06 09:02:22 AM  
Would you believe me if I told you I didn't care?

That said, Kennedy is the most over-rated president of the past 100 years. He got virtually nothing through Congress, the true hallmark of an effective president (look out, Obama), he brought us to the brink of nuclear war, he engaged in outright nepotism in a manner unseen until the Bush dynasty, and his daddy bought him the election in 1960. If he hadn't had the good taste to die horribly in Dallas and things kept up the way they going, he'd probably be remembered as a pretty boy mediocrity, like Franklin Pierce.
 
2014-08-06 09:05:01 AM  
I'm familiar with all the accounts of debate viewers thinking Kennedy won while debate listeners gave the edge to Nixon, which of course speaks to photogenicity (if that's actually a word), but somehow I'm doubting that the "Kennedy's younger than Nixon" thing that tfa is going on about was really a thing in 1960.

But I was born a couple days after the election, so I don't have any recollections. Blogger's not backing up his assertions, I'm guessing he a. isn't a real historian and b. wasn't born yet, either.
 
2014-08-06 09:05:21 AM  
There was a nice elderly couple who lived next door to me a few years ago. I would have put them about the age of my grandparents, you'd say mid 70s if you had to guess. Turns out they were in their 50s and the wife was actually younger than my own mother. Some people lead a difficult life and age hard.
 
2014-08-06 09:05:36 AM  
Yeah, but those were a hard four years...
 
2014-08-06 09:08:28 AM  
Blogger also messed up his Willy Wonka joke.
 
2014-08-06 09:10:01 AM  

clambam: Would you believe me if I told you I didn't care?

That said, Kennedy is the most over-rated president of the past 100 years.


Unless you value equality and life on Earth.
 
2014-08-06 09:15:19 AM  

cirby: If Kennedy were running for office today, we'd be hearing about how his extreme right-wing views made him unsuitable for office.


I'm sure Republicans would be thrilled about voting for a candidate that created the EPA, signed Title IX into law, championed voting rights for 18-20 year olds, ended a war, reopened trade with China, and wanted to ban handguns.
 
2014-08-06 09:16:09 AM  

cirby: If Kennedy were running for office today, we'd be hearing about how his extreme right-wing views made him unsuitable for office.


What about Nixon's left wing agenda? OSHA, EPA, Civil Rights, Ended the draft, Original Obamacare, Lowered voting age, Affirmative Action, Gender Equality, and Desegregation.

Nixon was possibly our last great democrat president.
 
2014-08-06 09:23:43 AM  

cirby: If Kennedy were running for office today, we'd be hearing about how his extreme right-wing views made him unsuitable for office.



No we wouldn't.  We'd have the GOP ignoring his actual views and policies, and ranting constantly about how he's a liberal hippie womanizer socialist elitist.

Obama's pretty damn conservative. But that has only caused the GOP to go even more crazy right wing.
 
2014-08-06 09:24:36 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Up until 1963.  After that, Kennedy didn't age much.


His body did age exponentially until it became dust. Unless they filled it with Lenin-like levels of preservatives
 
2014-08-06 09:44:45 AM  

Wendy's Chili: clambam: Would you believe me if I told you I didn't care?

That said, Kennedy is the most over-rated president of the past 100 years.

Unless you value equality and life on Earth.


Kennedy talked a good civil rights, but he did not actually accomplish anything. That was entirely the doing of his successor, LBJ, who essentially sacrificed his career in the cause of civil rights. Would Kennedy have done something substantive if he hadn't been killed? I don't know, but his utter failure to accomplish anything meaningful during the three years he did hold the reins of power lead me to conclude he would never have done anything that might potentially hurt his political career.

As to the Cuban Missile Crisis, that was fallout (if you'll pardon the pun) from the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Kennedy could have reached an accommodation with Castro, or he could have staged a successful invasion of Cuba. Instead he ignored the first possibility and bungled the second, pushing Cuba further into the Soviet orbit while simultaneously assuring them both that the US was too chickenshiat to respond to a provocation.

Sorry, I stand by my opinion. JFK was a handsome head of hair with cute children, a photogenic wife, and the morals of an alley cat, whose reputation does not bear close scrutiny and was saved by his political martyrdom.
 
2014-08-06 09:45:12 AM  

clambam: Would you believe me if I told you I didn't care?

That said, Kennedy is the most over-rated president of the past 100 years. He got virtually nothing through Congress, the true hallmark of an effective president (look out, Obama), he brought us to the brink of nuclear war, he engaged in outright nepotism in a manner unseen until the Bush dynasty, and his daddy bought him the election in 1960. If he hadn't had the good taste to die horribly in Dallas and things kept up the way they going, he'd probably be remembered as a pretty boy mediocrity, like Franklin Pierce.


That's OK. The Republicans haven't won a Presidential election since 1929 without having Nixon or a Bush on the ticket.
 
2014-08-06 09:47:32 AM  

SurfaceTension: That's OK. The Republicans haven't won a Presidential election since 1929 1928 without having Nixon or a Bush on the ticket.


/FTFM
 
2014-08-06 09:49:06 AM  
Kennedy had good hair. Nixon had a receding hairline, so Nixon seemed much older.
 
2014-08-06 09:50:44 AM  

clambam: Kennedy talked a good civil rights, but he did not actually accomplish anything. That was entirely the doing of his successor, LBJ, who essentially sacrificed his career in the cause of civil rights. Would Kennedy have done something substantive if he hadn't been killed? I don't know, but his utter failure to accomplish anything meaningful during the three years he did hold the reins of power lead me to conclude he would never have done anything that might potentially hurt his political career.


This was a big part of Steven King's book 11/22/63. Kennedy is saved (by a time traveler) causing the world to go into disarray where no civil rights bills could be passed and a nuclear war begins.
 
2014-08-06 09:54:34 AM  
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2014-08-06 09:56:34 AM  
Cleveland was 47 (one of the very few non-prostitutes to become President)

WAT?
 
2014-08-06 09:58:54 AM  
Yes I would. Why is this a surprise?
 
2014-08-06 10:04:27 AM  

clambam: Would you believe me if I told you I didn't care?

That said, Kennedy is the most over-rated president of the past 100 years. He got virtually nothing through Congress, the true hallmark of an effective president (look out, Obama), he brought us to the brink of nuclear war, he engaged in outright nepotism in a manner unseen until the Bush dynasty, and his daddy bought him the election in 1960. If he hadn't had the good taste to die horribly in Dallas and things kept up the way they going, he'd probably be remembered as a pretty boy mediocrity, like Franklin Pierce.


Started unnecessary war, achieved none of the alleged platform, talked like a fascist, almost ended the earth, looked good doing it.

That's pretty much the modern Democratic ideal. He's not overrated you just have strange standards.
 
2014-08-06 10:09:31 AM  
Considering that this guy:
media.washingtonpost.com

Was 15 years older than this guy?

img2.timeinc.net

Yeah, makes sense.
 
2014-08-06 10:13:29 AM  
Roger Sterling: "So, while I've got you in the afterglow here, what do you say you reconsider this presidential campaign?"
Don Draper: "I don't know, bunting and babies, that's hard work-- I'd just make a hash of it."
Roger Sterling: "Modesty, that's adorable. I expect significant billings on this thing. Country houses for all of us. And if that doesn't make you patriotic, think about the product: he's young, handsome, beautiful wife,
Navy Hero, honestly Don, it shouldn't be hard to convince America Dick Nixon is a winner."
- Mad Men episode 1, "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes", set in early 1960

It's amazing to look back at the public image of Nixon back then (a relative greenhorn outside of sitting in the #2 chair where Eisenhower didn't even think of him whose biggest claim to fame was the charm he pulled off in his Checkers speech) and realize that the only reason we stopped viewing him that way is Kennedy managed to have him beat on all fronts as the young upstart.
 
2014-08-06 10:15:53 AM  

clambam: Kennedy talked a good civil rights, but he did not actually accomplish anything. That was entirely the doing of his successor, LBJ, who essentially sacrificed his career in the cause of civil rights.


So you're saying the guy who was assassinated should have made more sacrifices?

Vietnam ended Johnson's career, btw, not civil rights.
 
2014-08-06 10:26:37 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Vietnam ended Johnson's career, btw, not civil rights.


I was wondering if anyone would notice that bit of historical revisionism. Thanks for setting the record straight.
 
2014-08-06 10:34:53 AM  

Ned Stark: Started unnecessary war, achieved none of the alleged platform, talked like a fascist, almost ended the earth, looked good doing it.

That's pretty much the modern Democratic ideal. He's not overrated you just have strange standards.


I was going to respond to this but, c'mon, pretty weak trollbait.

Wendy's Chili: clambam: Kennedy talked a good civil rights, but he did not actually accomplish anything. That was entirely the doing of his successor, LBJ, who essentially sacrificed his career in the cause of civil rights.

So you're saying the guy who was assassinated should have made more sacrifices?

Vietnam ended Johnson's career, btw, not civil rights.


As Mr. Stark sort of noted, our involvement in Viet Nam was another Kennedy legacy LBJ had to deal with. However, the civil rights issue was certainly a component in LBJ's decision not to run in 1968. "We have lost the South for a generation," he noted in 1964 as he signed the Civil Rights Act. This entirely proper and commendable action ensured that no Democrat could possibly win the 1968 election. It's kind of like how the Democrats of the 111th Congress sacrificed their political careers to make health care reform a reality. They did the right thing, and should be commended for it. Say what you like about them, but in general Democratic politicians have principles and stand by them. The same cannot be said, alas, for today's Republicans.
 
2014-08-06 10:37:24 AM  

Wendy's Chili: clambam: Kennedy talked a good civil rights, but he did not actually accomplish anything. That was entirely the doing of his successor, LBJ, who essentially sacrificed his career in the cause of civil rights.

So you're saying the guy who was assassinated should have made more sacrifices?

Vietnam ended Johnson's career, btw, not civil rights.


I think it's a fair point that the "Camelot" mythology has significantly skewed the public perception of Kennedy to make people romanticize his tenure as a lot more radical and "pure" than it actually was. There is very little to suggest that the Johnson administration broke from the policy goals of the Kennedy administration in any significant way but somehow the good elements are attributed to Kennedy's vision for starting down those paths while the bad elements are attributed to Johnson even when they began under Kennedy.

The two big things that were Kennedy's genuine unique accomplishments are spurring the creation of the Apollo program and his crackdown on organized crime led by his brother in the AG office. Everything else was pretty much the way a majority of Democrats of that period would have been working towards or stand-alone events that were reactions to facts on the ground and not reflective of some broader vision. The Cuban Missile Crisis showed he wasn't going to be pushed around by Khrushchev like his opponents claimed and Bay of Pigs reflected poor planning for a sensitive operation, but neither was really a "policy" and were the result of a confluence of forces in place well before he sat in the big chair (the events themselves I mean; obviously his response to the events were his own.)
 
2014-08-06 11:44:54 AM  

clambam: As Mr. Stark sort of noted, our involvement in Viet Nam was another Kennedy legacy LBJ had to deal with.


...along with civil rights, Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps. You can't blame Kennedy for all the bad stuff and claim he had nothing to do with the good stuff.

clambam: However, the civil rights issue was certainly a component in LBJ's decision not to run in 1968.


Johnson didn't run because he nearly lost the New Hampshire primary to an anti-war candidate. Oh, and because some guy named Kennedy threw his hat into the ring.
 
2014-08-06 12:00:24 PM  

Wendy's Chili: clambam: As Mr. Stark sort of noted, our involvement in Viet Nam was another Kennedy legacy LBJ had to deal with.

...along with civil rights, Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps. You can't blame Kennedy for all the bad stuff and claim he had nothing to do with the good stuff.

clambam: However, the civil rights issue was certainly a component in LBJ's decision not to run in 1968.

Johnson didn't run because he nearly lost the New Hampshire primary to an anti-war candidate. Oh, and because some guy named Kennedy threw his hat into the ring.


Sure, he came out in favor of a lot of stuff but he didn't accomplish any of it. That was left to the more pragmatic LBJ. You may argue that he was cut off in the prime of life just before he was actually going to get to work on implementing that stuff, but I see no evidence of it. I can only go with his record, which is pretty much a big fat zero.
 
2014-08-06 12:17:40 PM  
Tom Cruise is older NOW than Wilford Brimley WAS at the time he filmed Cocoon. Also, Will Smith is older NOW than Uncle Phil WAS when Fresh Prince first aired.
 
2014-08-06 12:33:25 PM  

Dinobot: Tom Cruise is older NOW than Wilford Brimley WAS at the time he filmed Cocoon. Also, Will Smith is older NOW than Uncle Phil WAS when Fresh Prince first aired.


Seriously?
 
2014-08-06 12:43:04 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Dinobot: Tom Cruise is older NOW than Wilford Brimley WAS at the time he filmed Cocoon. Also, Will Smith is older NOW than Uncle Phil WAS when Fresh Prince first aired.

Seriously?


Yes. Wilford Brimley was 49 when he filmed Cocoon. Tom Cruise is 52 now.
 
2014-08-06 01:08:25 PM  
I'm going to go with who gives three flips of a flying fark for 200, Alex.
 
2014-08-06 01:11:51 PM  

bobothemagnificent: I'm going to go with who gives three flips of a flying fark for 200, Alex.


Seems like you are the only one that doesn't.  Yet you were sooooo uninterested that you just had to chime in and let us know. Are you happier now that I have acknowledged that you don't care an awful lot?
 
2014-08-06 01:37:08 PM  
in dog years? i keed i keed.
 
2014-08-06 02:18:35 PM  

highbrow45: Cleveland was 47 (one of the very few non-prostitutes to become President)

WAT?


This is how they figure out if anyone read the article or not.
 
2014-08-06 03:04:43 PM  
Kennedy absolutely deserves blame for escalating Vietnam, but we know that Kennedy had designs to dial down the war before he was assassinated. You can make the argument that he was postponing dramatic reversal on Vietnam until '64 just to protect his reelection, but you can also make the argument that had he withdrawn before the election - a move that was still deeply unpopular at the time - that it would have cost him the election and the withdrawal would have been immediately reversed (which ironically, is exactly what his successor did).

The Cuban Missile Crisis scared the shiat out of Kennedy, and his hawkish tendencies really softened as a result.
 
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