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(Yahoo)   Proof positive that cannabis is truly a deadly drug: two people dead after smoking it. That's right, TWO people out of an estimated 147 million users worldwide. PANIC to the right   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 29
    More: Fail, Mcintyre, Forensic Science International, smoking marijuana, Charles Lemos, toxicologies, marijuana  
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7400 clicks; posted to Main » on 06 Aug 2014 at 10:38 AM (36 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-08-06 08:21:32 AM  
6 votes:
Just a tip, prohibitionists- BS 'reports' like this only make you look really desperate and dishonest. If you want to prove there are links to marijuana and some health risk, do the science- double blind tests of randomly selected people, with extensive medical background checks to rule out any extenuating factors. Until you do that, STFU.
2014-08-06 11:39:42 AM  
3 votes:
Actually, it's still zero. There is no established link here.
I had to reread it until I cleared something up for myself. What we are reading here are NOT the coroner's reports. They are independent "research" papers by independent "researchers" whose provenance and employers we do not know.
They cherry picked the actual coroner's reports, which we don't get to see. The issue of medical history is carefully skirted.
 If you even give this two second's consideration, you just got your face jacked off in.
This isn't science - it's dildos.
2014-08-06 10:49:19 AM  
3 votes:
Two people died driving to work today.  Better ban jobs!
2014-08-06 09:58:44 AM  
3 votes:
Yahoo! is turning into the Daily Mail of US media companies.
2014-08-06 08:57:03 AM  
3 votes:

Serious Black: Let's be generous and say both of these deaths were caused by marijuana. That would make them the first two in recorded history. Compare those deaths to those caused by alcohol or tobacco. Statistically speaking, they both killed over a hundred people yesterday in the US alone. Yet those are completely legal under federal law while marijuana is a Schedule I substance. Where is the logic in that situation?


Meanwhile cocaine is schedule II.  Yeah, perfectly sensible drug policy there.
2014-08-06 08:53:03 AM  
3 votes:
Let's be generous and say both of these deaths were caused by marijuana. That would make them the first two in recorded history. Compare those deaths to those caused by alcohol or tobacco. Statistically speaking, they both killed over a hundred people yesterday in the US alone. Yet those are completely legal under federal law while marijuana is a Schedule I substance. Where is the logic in that situation?
2014-08-06 08:03:12 AM  
3 votes:
Sounds like the study basically concludes "We ruled out other stuff, so it must have been the pot!"

Also, they should ban exercise.  Have you heard how many people with pre-existing heart conditions die during exercise?  And sex!  Ban the sex!
2014-08-06 10:57:29 AM  
2 votes:
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2014-08-06 08:25:31 AM  
2 votes:
I'm willing to accept that marijuana contributed to heart attacks.  But that same heart attack was just a climb of a flight of stairs away.
2014-08-06 09:53:07 PM  
1 votes:
http://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S0167-5273%28 0 6%2900778-9/abstract

" Here, we will discuss the physiologic effects of marijuana and include a comprehensive review of the studies and case reports that provide supportive evidence for marijuana as a trigger of adverse cardiovascular events, including tachyarrhythmias, acute coronary syndrome, vascular complications, and even congenital heart defects.

Not causation. Not even correlation. Only evidence that might support a hypothesis. No studies have ever been done, let alone controlled studies with test subjects and controls. This is all that's out there.

(Italics mine. I just love those things!)
2014-08-06 04:38:10 PM  
1 votes:

chadwick1982: Zizzowop: More interesting are the comments on Yahoo:

"You know it is so funny that all these dreadlock wearing, bloodshot eyed and smelly marijuana people are using pointless comparisons of "Oh alcohol kills more", "Oh it is not the cause of these two people's death", and other pointless arguments is laughable.

Look they are doctors. Doctors go to school for years to be doctors. Doctors don't need to lie because they are going to get paid no matter what. Doctors have a moral code not to lie. If they misdiagnosed something they can get sued and get their medical licenses suspended. Therefore when a doctor said that those marijuana drug burnouts died from smoking that smelly marijuna stuff guess what? They died.

So please marijuana burnout people don't change the story so you can have an excuse to smoke that smelly stuff." -smelly marijuana people, because, doctors.

Yes, because fraud never happens in medical science... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-co m panies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx


Fraud happens in every profession; science is no exception. That's not an excuse, it's a sad reality, and the risk increases with financial incentives. That said, Joe Mercola is quite possibly the worst possible source you could have linked to. That man is some combination of Gordon Gekko and batshiat crazy. Mostly batshiat. Greedy motherfarking batshiat.

In the future, go with someone like this guy:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
2014-08-06 03:23:56 PM  
1 votes:

khyberkitsune: GnomePaladin: That is some self-important, insufferable shiat right there.

Oh? So refusing to violate my legally-bound contract is self-important.


No.  Statements like "Primarily because it'd upset all of you and crash their own stock portfolio." are self-important.

So much for your idea. Come back when you understand relevant laws.

What idea?  What laws?
2014-08-06 02:20:44 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: Funny thing about all the people touting these anecdotal reports of Pots harmful effects. If you talk about pots beneficial effects, they will scream "But you don't know what is in that weed you bought on the street!! You don't know the percentage of THC or CBD or if it has been mixed with other more dangerous substances!!" Yet they will point to someones past use of pot as if it alone must be the reason for that persons malady.


If the major risk is from unknown concentrations and additives, isn't that a great argument for legalize and regulate?

That is the argument for restricting moonshine, the safety concerns from the lack of oversight and risk of contamination. You legalize marijuana and 95% of that issue disappears.
2014-08-06 12:31:27 PM  
1 votes:

tbeatty: I suspect most Marijuana smokers either use cigarettes in between tokes or smoke weed at cigarette quantities.


Why? Because you're 0 for 2.
2014-08-06 11:48:42 AM  
1 votes:

LazyMedia: Checkmate, potheads!

i.imgur.com

Check YOU. I'm not even playing mate. I'm playing pot.

khyberkitsune: Any honest smoker can confirm these effects. My first few times of smoking pot and disrupting my endocannabinoid system, I first A. didn't get high then B. got high as hell and had my heart racing then C. heart raced and I puked then D. All was good.
Those effects don't happen any longer, but I see it happen all the time in first/second timers.


Maybe pot is too strong for novices now. I've been smoking pot since I was a teen, and the old stuff didn't do that to anyone. In fact, I didn't even feel it for the first several times I tried it. It was like it had to build up in my system first (like we know that it does in regular smokers) before I got the effects. You guys settle down, stop taking room-choking bong hits your first time out. It really isn't necessary. Even now if I'm smoking "a lot" for me, I have one hit and that shiat just about takes the top of my head off. Then maybe one more small hit a few minutes later.

I'm serious. The medical stuff is not the same drug that we used to roll up into joints. Calm the fark down, stoners, and quit ODing to show how hardcore you are. It's not cool to drink alcohol fast until you puke either, but guess what underage drinkers do, all the goddamned time?
2014-08-06 11:37:50 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-08-06 11:14:22 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "We assume the deaths of these two young men occurred due to arrhythmias evoked by smoking cannabis," but this assumption does not rule out that the men were predisposed to cardiovascular risks, they wrote.

Yep

/absolute, iron-clad, proof positive


When you ASSUME

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You make an ASS outta U and ME
2014-08-06 11:14:10 AM  
1 votes:

tbeatty: pute kisses like a man: wait, what?

they don't even know if they had any in their system?  this is just a guess because some was nearby?

Another perfect example of "Correlation is not causation."

It's quite clear that while death and marijuana use were correlated but in no way did marijuana cause death.

In fact, the real underlying causative event is Darwinism "weeding out" the stupid people which is quite strongly correlated to "dead by 30" and "marijuana user."

P.S. Does anyone know a meth or heroin addict that turns down weed?  Didn't think so.


I've known several meth users who wouldn't smoke weed. If your preferred way of being high is to run in circles, and grind your teeth, and take your toaster apart looking for CiA mind control transmitters, well, marijuana just ain't cutting it, is it?
2014-08-06 11:05:55 AM  
1 votes:
"estimated 147 million users worldwide "

I can GUARANTEE you more than that smoke the good herb.

Which means this 'report' is fear-mongering.
2014-08-06 11:05:54 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Let's be generous and say both of these deaths were caused by marijuana. That would make them the first two in recorded history. Compare those deaths to those caused by alcohol or tobacco. Statistically speaking, they both killed over a hundred people yesterday in the US alone. Yet those are completely legal under federal law while marijuana is a Schedule I substance. Where is the logic in that situation?


This.

I've been saying it for years, and literally every time one of these threads pops up.

The whole situation is upside down and backwards.

It actually drives me nuts how the whole social stigma works too...  You could happily annouce to your coworkers that you are going to the bar after work, have a few drinks and drive home.  Every smiles.  But say you are gonna stop by a friends how to smoke a few, and you could literally lose your job and end up in rehab.
Where's the sense in that?
2014-08-06 11:03:41 AM  
1 votes:
Well, TFA is a load of Shiat.

There's reporting facts and there's just flinging poo at a webpage.
2014-08-06 11:00:48 AM  
1 votes:

F42: Oh yeah, the guy smoked meth and crack, but POT made his heart asplode.

That's some credible propaganda, Lou.


The article here isn't even accurate. They've gone through and cherrypicked the actual study to make it far more sensational and pants-wetting than it actually was.
2014-08-06 10:59:46 AM  
1 votes:

dwrash: bmwericus: Possible.  And that same night, just in the USA alone...1,205 people died from complications of cigarettes and 219 from booze.

GIGO - That is to say, logic can lead to some absurd results as well as relevant and rational ones.

No, I don't think I'll be checking into Rehab today.  Think I'll get ripped and go play some golf.

/Pants-Wetters are gonna wet
//Absence of proof is not
///Proof of absence.

I wonder what the results would be if Pot usage was wide spread as cigarettes and booze.

Pot is not harmless as some people would say.. it probably has an equivalent in killing cells in your lungs as booze does with killing/enlarging your liver.

Which comes down to the fact that our bodies are pretty much geared to handling most things in moderation and excessive usage is never a good thing.

So smoke em if you got em... just be smart about it.


Hate to break it to you, but it pretty much is.
2014-08-06 10:52:09 AM  
1 votes:
I love the correlations that "experts" make when trying to force their agenda of fascism on free people.
2014-08-06 10:48:42 AM  
1 votes:
Tylenol killed 140 people last year through fulminant hepatic failure, out of nearly billions of uses.

I don't see (sane) people rallying to have people thrown into prison for 10 years because they have a gel cap in their pocket.
2014-08-06 09:17:05 AM  
1 votes:
"We assume the deaths of these two young men occurred due to arrhythmias evoked by smoking cannabis," but this assumption does not rule out that the men were predisposed to cardiovascular risks, they wrote.

Yep

/absolute, iron-clad, proof positive
2014-08-06 09:14:27 AM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Sounds like the study basically concludes "We ruled out other stuff, so it must have been the pot!"

Also, they should ban exercise.  Have you heard how many people with pre-existing heart conditions die during exercise?  And sex!  Ban the sex!


"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the doob."

Wise man, that Doyle.
2014-08-06 08:47:46 AM  
1 votes:
If your argument is so important true and valid why do you have to lie to support it?
2014-08-06 08:18:23 AM  
1 votes:
Germans always bogart - the puff-puff-pass method just isn't part of their doob culture. If you yell at them for bogarting, they'll roll you another one, but they don't share well.

Perhaps that has something to do with it.
 
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