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(Yahoo)   Proof positive that cannabis is truly a deadly drug: two people dead after smoking it. That's right, TWO people out of an estimated 147 million users worldwide. PANIC to the right   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 218
    More: Fail, Mcintyre, Forensic Science International, smoking marijuana, Charles Lemos, toxicologies, marijuana  
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2014-08-06 05:46:58 PM  

Thai_Mai_Xhu: The Southern Dandy: I heard about this kid that smoked pot, and the pot made him think he was a bird, so he jumped out a window and he died.

I heard about this one kid, he was looking at his face in hubcaps and got run over, turned out he'd shot up two marijuana at a party the night before!


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2014-08-06 06:16:55 PM  
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"A little bit of weed never hurt anybody."
 
2014-08-06 06:33:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: chadwick1982: Yes, because fraud never happens in medical science... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-co m panies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx

Point of order: When discussing anything, it is not a good idea to use Joseph Mercola's website for anything. He ranks up there with "The Health Ranger" Mike Adams and NaturaNews.com with tabloid science. It's a great way to poison the argument, and really light on actual facts compared with actual spin.


Point of order: When trying to refute the facts of a post, it's a good idea to actually refute the facts of the post and not the messenger. I assume the University of Illinois at Chicago's Center for Pharmacoeconomic Research is fairly legitimate, so you might want to address their study, which is the first study Mercola cites.
 
2014-08-06 06:45:11 PM  
I did some research, and every single person who smoked pot between in the 1850's has died.  Every damn one of them.  And it gets worse.  Due to the risks of second-hand-high, everyone that ever even *met* a stoner has also died!

/dude
 
2014-08-06 07:11:56 PM  

Dinki: hardinparamedic: chadwick1982: Yes, because fraud never happens in medical science... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-co m panies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx

Point of order: When discussing anything, it is not a good idea to use Joseph Mercola's website for anything. He ranks up there with "The Health Ranger" Mike Adams and NaturaNews.com with tabloid science. It's a great way to poison the argument, and really light on actual facts compared with actual spin.

Point of order: When trying to refute the facts of a post, it's a good idea to actually refute the facts of the post and not the messenger. I assume the University of Illinois at Chicago's Center for Pharmacoeconomic Research is fairly legitimate, so you might want to address their study, which is the first study Mercola cites.


Point of order: when presenting something, don't use a source which has a documented history of spinning legimiste studies to support their own agenda, and as a bonus sell you their all natural homeopathic placebo for three easy payments of 58.99

Mercola.com is not a reliable source of information, even on published and legitimate studies. Sorry.

You're defending the equivilant of using DARE to argue drug policy.
 
2014-08-06 07:23:42 PM  
Personally know 3 people about 50 years old, whom i grew up with, died of heart problems, pretty quick. Heavy pot smokers, since 16 years old, you know the kind, have to get high every single day and often digging for roaches in the ashtray. Have to get high before work, go outside in the vehicle for lunch and get high ,before they go to the store, before they go hunting, whatever it may be. There is 1 or 2 more, lots of gray peppered hair now, who are most likely on the list for being next. I should write their names down with my thoughts before it happens. I think it's the crap they mix with it or spray on it. Ever seen bags with white powder on the bottom?
 
2014-08-06 07:29:03 PM  
I miss the old days of weed, when threads would have people posting their pot porn. It was so illicit. Now we have.....scientists discussing their work. It's like it's respectable or something. Now hand me my cane so I can get out of here.
 
2014-08-06 08:52:06 PM  

khyberkitsune: italie: Ignore the drug that makes your heart go THUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHUMP,

You're obviously not paying attention to the thread, otherwise you'd have noted my responses to pot pulled form my personal written journal.

So shut the hell up.


I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, went back and read all of your posts. To summarize what I saw:

-Article is scaremongering
-Yeah, heart raced a few times
-My dad says/Pot grower for a Dutch firm
-Registered with CADOA/Afghan stuff about potency
-May or may not agree with bad effects, couldn't tell/ Explaining the weed hymen / Professing expertise -without citing anything
-Something about you being a doctor now/15 years of "unchallenged" research without citing anything


So from this I get that your heart raced a few times, and that is supposed to be the magic link between heart disease and pot. This is also supposed to completely negate the alcohol, cocaine, and meth factor mentioned in the article, as well as the whole "had prior cardiovascular risks".

In plain English: Pot did NOT cause these men to die. The article is claiming, as it should, that pot triggered a preexisting condition that led to their death. Going for a jog, sex, or running up to one of these men and shouting "BOO!" could have done the same. This might be just me, but I haven't seen all that many death certificates that list cause of death as "Jogging".

To profess you have proof that weed causes some sort of heart degradation is fine. If you are going to make that claim though, put something up that actually backs up the claim with a study. Probably better make it a very solid study too, exclusively looking at if pot smoking can cause cardiovascular trauma. If you can't say that, you can't list the cause of death as pot.

//Also, when trying to get people to believe you, maybe tone down the anger a bit.
 
2014-08-06 09:41:43 PM  

italie: -Something about you being a doctor now/15 years of "unchallenged" research without citing anything


You missed many quality posts before the mods stepped in.

Basically put, you're talking to FLYNAVY, the pot version.
 
2014-08-06 09:48:19 PM  

wataga123: Personally know 3 people about 50 years old, whom i grew up with, died of heart problems, pretty quick. Heavy pot smokers, since 16 years old, you know the kind, have to get high every single day and often digging for roaches in the ashtray. Have to get high before work, go outside in the vehicle for lunch and get high ,before they go to the store, before they go hunting, whatever it may be. There is 1 or 2 more, lots of gray peppered hair now, who are most likely on the list for being next. I should write their names down with my thoughts before it happens. I think it's the crap they mix with it or spray on it. Ever seen bags with white powder on the bottom?


That's the crystals falling off the leaf.  Aka "kief".  Not really white, but off-white, brownish.

My mom had her first heart attack at 35.  She was a heavy smoke since 16, too. Only, hers were cigarettes.
 
2014-08-06 09:53:07 PM  
http://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S0167-5273%28 0 6%2900778-9/abstract

" Here, we will discuss the physiologic effects of marijuana and include a comprehensive review of the studies and case reports that provide supportive evidence for marijuana as a trigger of adverse cardiovascular events, including tachyarrhythmias, acute coronary syndrome, vascular complications, and even congenital heart defects.

Not causation. Not even correlation. Only evidence that might support a hypothesis. No studies have ever been done, let alone controlled studies with test subjects and controls. This is all that's out there.

(Italics mine. I just love those things!)
 
2014-08-06 11:26:22 PM  

wataga123: Personally know 3 people about 50 years old, whom i grew up with, died of heart problems, pretty quick. Heavy pot smokers, since 16 years old, you know the kind, have to get high every single day and often digging for roaches in the ashtray. Have to get high before work, go outside in the vehicle for lunch and get high ,before they go to the store, before they go hunting, whatever it may be. There is 1 or 2 more, lots of gray peppered hair now, who are most likely on the list for being next. I should write their names down with my thoughts before it happens. I think it's the crap they mix with it or spray on it. Ever seen bags with white powder on the bottom?


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2014-08-07 12:23:30 AM  
Seriously guys, I think it's an absurdity weed is a controlled substance under federal law. But I think when confronted with an argument that "well it may cause a cardiac event in people with pre-existing heart conditions" it's silly to try to debate that. Just say "okay, call me when Red Bull is illegal."
 
2014-08-07 07:05:03 AM  
"After exclusion of other causes of death, we assume that the young men died from cardiovascular complications evoked by  ,"

Well, that's hardly compelling at all.
 
2014-08-07 11:59:42 AM  
DNRTFA, saw "...an estimated 147 million users worldwide ...", estimated I don't have the time to waste on the rest of the Bull Carp.  #DeptOfMakingNumbersUpDepartment
 
2014-08-07 12:41:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: Tatterdemalian: You wouldn't go to an astronomer to find out your horoscope, you'd go to an astrologer who is an expert on the subject, right?

People believe in that shiat?


You can even get a Ph.D. in it. And why not, astrology is just as subject to peer review as climatology.

/astrology: determine what the star patterns were during historic events, and assume similar patterns will trigger similar events in the future
//climatology: determine what the balances of atmospheric gases were during historic climates, and assume similar balances will trigger similar climates in the future
///and of course, in both cases the world will end if you don't do exactly what they say
 
2014-08-07 12:45:06 PM  
estimated 147 million users worldwide

Worldwide?  How about just in the US?
 
2014-08-07 05:59:16 PM  
I love that the "researchers" cite their own bs studies. Don't get me wrong, I'm a researcher and we love to cite our own stuff the most, but in this case I can't imagine is truly peer reviewed, and accepted by the community. This is more of I think pot kills, somebody died and they smoked pot, as a researcher I should be objective and totally not employ confirmation bias to my own ideas, oh wait I should do that.

A mother (CHRISTIAN!!! as the article slammed down its readers throats) died in England not terribly long ago, they couldn't find a cause of death so ruled it pot. This is the worst, not only does it show a lack of understanding and competence of the medical examiner, but it creates a dangerous precedence that spreads like wild fire to anti marijuana advocates. I can only assume these so called people of science are only furthering their own agendas.
 
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