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(Yahoo)   Proof positive that cannabis is truly a deadly drug: two people dead after smoking it. That's right, TWO people out of an estimated 147 million users worldwide. PANIC to the right   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 218
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2014-08-06 08:03:12 AM
Sounds like the study basically concludes "We ruled out other stuff, so it must have been the pot!"

Also, they should ban exercise.  Have you heard how many people with pre-existing heart conditions die during exercise?  And sex!  Ban the sex!
 
2014-08-06 08:18:23 AM
Germans always bogart - the puff-puff-pass method just isn't part of their doob culture. If you yell at them for bogarting, they'll roll you another one, but they don't share well.

Perhaps that has something to do with it.
 
2014-08-06 08:21:32 AM
Just a tip, prohibitionists- BS 'reports' like this only make you look really desperate and dishonest. If you want to prove there are links to marijuana and some health risk, do the science- double blind tests of randomly selected people, with extensive medical background checks to rule out any extenuating factors. Until you do that, STFU.
 
2014-08-06 08:25:31 AM
I'm willing to accept that marijuana contributed to heart attacks.  But that same heart attack was just a climb of a flight of stairs away.
 
2014-08-06 08:43:32 AM

nekom: I'm willing to accept that marijuana contributed to heart attacks.  But that same heart attack was just a climb of a flight of stairs away.


yep, this. There are million substances and activities that can increase heart rate. There is no evidence that Pot increases your heart rate any more than a lot of those.
 
2014-08-06 08:47:46 AM
If your argument is so important true and valid why do you have to lie to support it?
 
2014-08-06 08:53:03 AM
Let's be generous and say both of these deaths were caused by marijuana. That would make them the first two in recorded history. Compare those deaths to those caused by alcohol or tobacco. Statistically speaking, they both killed over a hundred people yesterday in the US alone. Yet those are completely legal under federal law while marijuana is a Schedule I substance. Where is the logic in that situation?
 
2014-08-06 08:57:03 AM

Serious Black: Let's be generous and say both of these deaths were caused by marijuana. That would make them the first two in recorded history. Compare those deaths to those caused by alcohol or tobacco. Statistically speaking, they both killed over a hundred people yesterday in the US alone. Yet those are completely legal under federal law while marijuana is a Schedule I substance. Where is the logic in that situation?


Meanwhile cocaine is schedule II.  Yeah, perfectly sensible drug policy there.
 
2014-08-06 09:14:27 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Sounds like the study basically concludes "We ruled out other stuff, so it must have been the pot!"

Also, they should ban exercise.  Have you heard how many people with pre-existing heart conditions die during exercise?  And sex!  Ban the sex!


"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the doob."

Wise man, that Doyle.
 
2014-08-06 09:17:05 AM
"We assume the deaths of these two young men occurred due to arrhythmias evoked by smoking cannabis," but this assumption does not rule out that the men were predisposed to cardiovascular risks, they wrote.

Yep

/absolute, iron-clad, proof positive
 
2014-08-06 09:20:51 AM

Diogenes: Three Crooked Squirrels: Sounds like the study basically concludes "We ruled out other stuff, so it must have been the pot!"

Also, they should ban exercise.  Have you heard how many people with pre-existing heart conditions die during exercise?  And sex!  Ban the sex!

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the doob."

Wise man, that Doyle.


And Doyle would be one of the last ones who should be critical of drugs, 'specially the cocaine.

Incidentally, there are a lot of people who suddenly have health complications who were previously healthy.  I think that's how it works.
 
2014-08-06 09:58:44 AM
Yahoo! is turning into the Daily Mail of US media companies.
 
2014-08-06 10:41:42 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Yahoo! is turning into the Daily Mail of US media companies.


That's sexist.
 
2014-08-06 10:42:55 AM
I would want to note that one of the individuals had a known issue with amphetamine abuse - that probably tore their heart a new one or weakened it severely.  Not to mention, the body's had "THC" which isn't metabolized thoroughly from the body for up to 30 days because it hangs out in your fat cells.  Cocaine metabolites are found only within 3-days after use.
 
2014-08-06 10:44:09 AM
The man had occasionally used cannabis, the researchers wrote. He had also abused alcohol and drugs, such as amphetamines and cocaine until about two years before his death, they wrote.

"After exclusion of other causes of death, we assume that the young men died from cardiovascular complications evoked by smoking cannabis," the researchers wrote.



Uh huh.  It was teh evil pot
 
2014-08-06 10:45:05 AM
I thought I was going to die from the marijuanas once because my throat closed up from a bong hit and I couldn't breathe.  But then my airway opened up and I was sooooooo high and my brain shifted from "OH GOD I'M GOING TO DIE" to "I want pancakes" and then I won the lottery and saved the president and had sex with three chicks at once so everything worked out.
 
2014-08-06 10:47:03 AM
In both cases, the deaths were related to cardiovascular complications.

Well smoking pot makes you eat a lot of taco bell. I can see the link
 
2014-08-06 10:47:19 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Marcus Aurelius: Yahoo! is turning into the Daily Mail of US media companies.

That's sexist.


Heh.  I like you sometimes.
 
2014-08-06 10:47:34 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Diogenes: Three Crooked Squirrels: Sounds like the study basically concludes "We ruled out other stuff, so it must have been the pot!"

Also, they should ban exercise.  Have you heard how many people with pre-existing heart conditions die during exercise?  And sex!  Ban the sex!

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the doob."

Wise man, that Doyle.

And Doyle would be one of the last ones who should be critical of drugs, 'specially the cocaine.

Incidentally, there are a lot of people who suddenly have health complications who were previously healthy.  I think that's how it works.


Watson actually regularly chewed Holmes' ass for doing the doing the coke. Doyle was not a fan.

This report is a big old piece of crap, though. A sample size of 2? These guys should be laughed out of their respective professions.
 
2014-08-06 10:48:17 AM
Panic on the streets of London.
 
2014-08-06 10:48:42 AM
Tylenol killed 140 people last year through fulminant hepatic failure, out of nearly billions of uses.

I don't see (sane) people rallying to have people thrown into prison for 10 years because they have a gel cap in their pocket.
 
2014-08-06 10:48:47 AM
FUD AF
 
2014-08-06 10:49:19 AM
Two people died driving to work today.  Better ban jobs!
 
2014-08-06 10:49:19 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "We assume the deaths of these two young men occurred due to arrhythmias evoked by smoking cannabis," but this assumption does not rule out that the men were predisposed to cardiovascular risks, they wrote.

Yep

/absolute, iron-clad, proof positive


Checkmate, potheads!
 
2014-08-06 10:49:44 AM
wait, what?

The man had a small amount of marijuana in his pockets when he was found, according to the researchers at the Institute of Legal Medicine, University Hospital Duesseldorf in Germany, who reported the case.

In the second case described in the report, a 28-year-old man was found dead at home by his girlfriend. An ashtray, rolling paper and a sealable plastic bag containing remnants of marijuana were found next to the body.


they don't even know if they had any in their system?  this is just a guess because some was nearby?

is this a joke/onion article?

(I'm sure someone actually did some tests, but the article just provides the above as evidence of pot smoking)
 
2014-08-06 10:50:11 AM
that's more deadly than tobacco!
 
2014-08-06 10:50:28 AM
Possible.  And that same night, just in the USA alone...1,205 people died from complications of cigarettes and 219 from booze.

GIGO - That is to say, logic can lead to some absurd results as well as relevant and rational ones.

No, I don't think I'll be checking into Rehab today.  Think I'll get ripped and go play some golf.

/Pants-Wetters are gonna wet
//Absence of proof is not
///Proof of absence.
 
2014-08-06 10:50:43 AM
It sounds like these two degenerates injected one too many marihuanas. I am sure that their mothers are so proud of their little snowflakes ending up in the news as just another casualty of rampant liberalism.
 
2014-08-06 10:50:47 AM
FTA:
In the second case described in the report, a 28-year-old man was found dead at home by his girlfriend. An ashtray, rolling paper and a sealable plastic bag containing remnants of marijuana were found next to the body. The man had occasionally used cannabis, the researchers wrote. He had also abused alcohol and drugs, such as amphetamines and cocaine until about two years before his death, they wrote. [
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Are you farking kidding me? You think those earlier drugs didn't cause any lasting damage? I'm going to guess he smoked cigarettes, too, which have a MUCH higher contribution to cardiovascular conditions.

But that doesn't help their "Marijuanna BAD!" theme, does it?
 
2014-08-06 10:52:09 AM
I love the correlations that "experts" make when trying to force their agenda of fascism on free people.
 
2014-08-06 10:54:36 AM

nekom: Meanwhile cocaine is schedule II.  Yeah, perfectly sensible drug policy there.


Cocaine, like Marijuana, also has medical uses. Unlike Marijuana, however, it's very physiologically addictive. The form used in medicine is, literally, 100% pure liquid cocaine.

This is the actual published study.
 
2014-08-06 10:55:07 AM
I'm not a pot smoker, but I love that our puritan culture is swiftly sliding toward every kitchen having a little pot plant next to the basil and the marjoram.

Pfizer stockholders will be anxious, but then they might chill with a visit to the kitchen...
 
2014-08-06 10:56:01 AM
They banned ephedrine for pretty much the same statistics.
 
2014-08-06 10:56:13 AM
Looking forward to hearing about the joint this guy smoked one time in college when he has his inevitable heart attack.
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2014-08-06 10:56:27 AM

nekom: I'm willing to accept that marijuana contributed to heart attacks.  But that same heart attack was just a climb of a flight of stairs away.


Yup.
 
2014-08-06 10:56:50 AM
Annual US Deaths
Tobacco related: 480,000
Motor vehicle accident: 33,000
Alcohol related  (not including accidents): 26,000
Firearm related homicide: 11,000

Just for quick reference.
 
2014-08-06 10:56:54 AM
So recapping:
Tobacco causes 5,000,000 smoking-related deaths (per year).
Marijuana causes 2 smoking-related deaths.

So marijuana is about 0.00004% as dangerous as tobacco?
 
2014-08-06 10:56:55 AM

special20: I love the correlations that "experts" make when trying to force their agenda of fascism on free people.


The "experts" are Forensic Toxicologists in Germany - a country with fairly liberal drug laws compared to the US - who published a study intending to help in forensic death examinations where a contributing cause might escape an investigator. The journal it was published in has nothing to do except with the medicolegal aspects of death investigation.

If you read the actual study, there was nothing in it towards drug policies or control.
 
2014-08-06 10:57:29 AM
strrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrretch
 
2014-08-06 10:57:40 AM
Legal pot will eventually have a dosage amount, similar to proof or percent for booze. Betty Crocker Brownie Mix lobbyists don't want people overdosing and disparaging their good name.
 
F42
2014-08-06 10:57:41 AM
The man had occasionally used cannabis, the researchers wrote. He had also abused alcohol and drugs, such as amphetamines and cocaine until about two years before his death, they wrote. "After exclusion of other causes of death, we assume that the young men died from cardiovascular complications evoked by smoking cannabis," the researchers wrote.

Oh yeah, the guy smoked meth and crack, but POT made his heart asplode.

That's some credible propaganda, Lou.
 
2014-08-06 10:58:23 AM

bmwericus: Possible.  And that same night, just in the USA alone...1,205 people died from complications of cigarettes and 219 from booze.

GIGO - That is to say, logic can lead to some absurd results as well as relevant and rational ones.

No, I don't think I'll be checking into Rehab today.  Think I'll get ripped and go play some golf.

/Pants-Wetters are gonna wet
//Absence of proof is not
///Proof of absence.


I wonder what the results would be if Pot usage was wide spread as cigarettes and booze.

Pot is not harmless as some people would say.. it probably has an equivalent in killing cells in your lungs as booze does with killing/enlarging your liver.

Which comes down to the fact that our bodies are pretty much geared to handling most things in moderation and excessive usage is never a good thing.

So smoke em if you got em... just be smart about it.
 
2014-08-06 10:58:24 AM
I'll agree that weed is bad for you in the same way that unfiltered cigs are bad for you.

/I know, I know, edibles.
 
2014-08-06 10:58:45 AM

pute kisses like a man: wait, what?

they don't even know if they had any in their system?  this is just a guess because some was nearby?


Another perfect example of "Correlation is not causation."

It's quite clear that while death and marijuana use were correlated but in no way did marijuana cause death.

In fact, the real underlying causative event is Darwinism "weeding out" the stupid people which is quite strongly correlated to "dead by 30" and "marijuana user."

P.S. Does anyone know a meth or heroin addict that turns down weed?  Didn't think so.
 
2014-08-06 10:59:46 AM

dwrash: bmwericus: Possible.  And that same night, just in the USA alone...1,205 people died from complications of cigarettes and 219 from booze.

GIGO - That is to say, logic can lead to some absurd results as well as relevant and rational ones.

No, I don't think I'll be checking into Rehab today.  Think I'll get ripped and go play some golf.

/Pants-Wetters are gonna wet
//Absence of proof is not
///Proof of absence.

I wonder what the results would be if Pot usage was wide spread as cigarettes and booze.

Pot is not harmless as some people would say.. it probably has an equivalent in killing cells in your lungs as booze does with killing/enlarging your liver.

Which comes down to the fact that our bodies are pretty much geared to handling most things in moderation and excessive usage is never a good thing.

So smoke em if you got em... just be smart about it.


Hate to break it to you, but it pretty much is.
 
2014-08-06 10:59:47 AM

nekom: I'm willing to accept that marijuana contributed to heart attacks.  But that same heart attack was just a climb of a flight of stairs away.


Yes, this. I'm sure in the future they will find that there needs to be a very specific set of pre-existing conditions, not to mention previous drug abuse - especially of cocaine/meth.

Otherwise people would have been dropping dead from weed all over the place for a few hundred years.

I'm also curious to know if in people with these conditions it matters by strain or by smoke v edibles.
 
2014-08-06 10:59:52 AM
More interesting are the comments on Yahoo:

"You know it is so funny that all these dreadlock wearing, bloodshot eyed and smelly marijuana people are using pointless comparisons of "Oh alcohol kills more", "Oh it is not the cause of these two people's death", and other pointless arguments is laughable. 

Look they are doctors. Doctors go to school for years to be doctors. Doctors don't need to lie because they are going to get paid no matter what. Doctors have a moral code not to lie. If they misdiagnosed something they can get sued and get their medical licenses suspended. Therefore when a doctor said that those marijuana drug burnouts died from smoking that smelly marijuna stuff guess what? They died. 

So please marijuana burnout people don't change the story so you can have an excuse to smoke that smelly stuff." -smelly marijuana people, because, doctors.
 
2014-08-06 11:00:48 AM

F42: Oh yeah, the guy smoked meth and crack, but POT made his heart asplode.

That's some credible propaganda, Lou.


The article here isn't even accurate. They've gone through and cherrypicked the actual study to make it far more sensational and pants-wetting than it actually was.
 
2014-08-06 11:03:07 AM
Over 1,000 people died from alcohol abuse world wide while that headline was written, but yes, let's ban the evil weed!
 
2014-08-06 11:03:41 AM
Well, TFA is a load of Shiat.

There's reporting facts and there's just flinging poo at a webpage.
 
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