The Stealth Hippopotamus: I've used a few dozen tourism agents before; I've always gotten all my paper work (ie:plane tickets, tour vouchers) before leaving.WTF Russia?
Boo_Guy: That's what Russia wants you to think, those people are actually spies.
To The Escape Zeppelin!: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I've used a few dozen tourism agents before; I've always gotten all my paper work (ie:plane tickets, tour vouchers) before leaving.WTF Russia?Seriously. How were they planning on getting back before? Have the tickets mailed to them while on vacation? If they were to be emailed, why weren't they emailed when they got their departure? Those tickets should have been booked before they left home. All of this implies that the company knew they were going under weeks ago and stopped bothering to book return flights.
pjkraatz: As you would have seen later in the article, if you had read it, the tour operators are barely above pyramid scheme class in their finances and when the Ruble took a dump, so did their entire model.
Eutychus: This kind of thing happens not infrequently in Europe when a tour operator fails, as explained by several posters now. Does this never happen in the US?
pjkraatz: Eutychus: This kind of thing happens not infrequently in Europe when a tour operator fails, as explained by several posters now. Does this never happen in the US?The industry here exists but doesn't dominate the way it did at the dawn of air travel. "Tours" are more common for groups, like students (e.g., EF Tours) then they are for regular folks. Even travel agents are harder to find. It's just too easy to buy a ticket online, fly 2000 miles and get out to explore on your own. Alternately, tours are for when you get there; you hire a tour company to drive you around or guide you through a site. All-inclusive tours here aren't as common, it would seem.
MooseBayou: In capitalist Russia, uh, something, tickets ...
durbnpoisn: Who on this planet goes on a trip without their return ticket in hand?! I've never even heard of that before.I mean, generally speaking, it's the norm to buy round trip tickets! It's pretty unusual to buy one way.
Eutychus: Well, I never knew that.Here there are entire airlines (such as Air Méditerrannée) that seem to operate almost exclusively for TOs (although you can buy regular tickets on them if any seats are left over). I often wonder what they do with their fleet out of season.
Panty Sniffer: What I am getting out of this Eutychus is that European airlines are willing to give a discount for bulk sales of seats and hotels will do the same. I do not know if that happens in America, but I assume that it does not. Also perhaps Americans don't like a travel agency sticking them to an itinerary.
Fank: fu)ck russia
nightbringerggz: Eutychus: Well, I never knew that.Here there are entire airlines (such as Air Méditerrannée) that seem to operate almost exclusively for TOs (although you can buy regular tickets on them if any seats are left over). I often wonder what they do with their fleet out of season.Many vacations in the US involve simply driving for extended periods of time, with the occasional stop at locations that strike your fancy. Flying can be very expensive, and it often might be cheaper to just drive. Also, most of our cities have terrible public transportation, so if you don't have a car of your own you'll have limited options for exploration.
Eutychus: spawn73:That is btw. how I travel. Since the tour operators charter a whole plane, and often a whole hotel, they'll often end up not selling every seat/room on the plane/hotel. But they'll be paying for the whole thing anyway.So when I travel, I go down to the tour operator, and ask them what they've got.One of the surreal things about these flights is that to a destination like, say, Turkey, the flight is 95% noisy excited French tourists off on holiday and 5% Turkish migrant workers heading back home for a while, and nobody in between.
Gosling: No no, is not lack of return ticket. No return needed. Home is where heart is, yes? Heart is in your body, therefore you are home now. Pleasure doing the business with you.
zerkalo: When I lived in Russia the GF and I went to Croatia on a trip arranged through a tour company. Went off without a hitch, but we did fly on a chartered flight, not on scheduled flights. Flew on one of these, Tu-204[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x200]Fairly modern for Russian aviation, but man did that thing creak when it banked. The company that operated the flight, Caucasian Mineral Springs Aviation evidently doesn't exist as a separate entity anymore.
farkin_Gary: In Soviet Russia... Tour takes YOU!
mjohnson71: Boo_Guy: That's what Russia wants you to think, those people are actually spies.West Coast. East Coast. Down here is Mexico. First wave of the attack came in disguised as commercial charter flights same way they did in Afghanistan in '80. Only they were crack Airborne outfits. Now they took these passes in the Rockies.
Skirl Hutsenreiter: Most American vacationing is domestic just because the country is big enough to keep that interesting, and it's just really not that hard to make your own arrangements.
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