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2014-08-05 12:52:37 PM  
Something tells me those "facts" on that Grass is Not Greener site come from very biased studies.
 
2014-08-05 01:55:23 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Something tells me those "facts" on that Grass is Not Greener site come from very biased studies.


Facts, lies, whatever.
 
2014-08-05 02:38:35 PM  
So long as it protects the children, it's ok to lie.
 
2014-08-05 02:41:38 PM  
Go to GrassIsNotGreener.com to see why so many major medical associations oppose marijuana legalization.

I'm gonna guess because $$$.
 
2014-08-05 02:43:54 PM  
I just vowed I'd never get high-and then I got high....
 
2014-08-05 02:51:49 PM  
....dude... whaaat?...
 
2014-08-05 02:52:24 PM  
The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.
 
2014-08-05 02:55:51 PM  
W.R. Hearst's publications take on pot:

"By the tons it is coming into this country - the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms.... Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him...."
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San Francisco Examiner
"Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug."
"Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim's life in Los Angeles?... THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES - that is a matter of cold record."


"Debate" that ensued when the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 came up for a vote:

"Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"
Speaker: "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind."
"Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"

Member on the committee flat out lies: "Their Doctor 'Wentworth'[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent."

And that was it. Because of one final lie, marijuana was made illegal in the United States.


From here.
 
2014-08-05 02:58:29 PM  

ZMugg: W.R. Hearst's publications take on pot:

"By the tons it is coming into this country - the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms.... Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him...."
- San Francisco Examiner
"Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug."
"Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim's life in Los Angeles?... THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES - that is a matter of cold record."

"Debate" that ensued when the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 came up for a vote:

"Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"
Speaker: "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind."
"Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"
Member on the committee flat out lies: "Their Doctor 'Wentworth'[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent."

And that was it. Because of one final lie, marijuana was made illegal in the United States.


From here.


But Hearst owned paper mills made big bucks, so.there.
 
2014-08-05 03:02:22 PM  

whither_apophis: But Hearst owned paper mills made big bucks, so.there.


My point, exactly.
 
2014-08-05 03:04:20 PM  
Maybe it was written by the most brilliant mind on the planet today, Michael Bloomberg?

You doubt his brilliance? Just ask him. He will tell you how brilliant he is, and the most brilliant man on the planet wouldn't lie now, would he. He has no need to, being so much smarter than us proles.
 
2014-08-05 03:10:41 PM  

rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.


There also are no alcoholism treatment centers because alcohol is legal.
 
2014-08-05 03:40:53 PM  

WelldeadLink: There also are no alcoholism treatment centers because alcohol is legal.


There's alcohol treatment centers everywhere, it's called 'The Bar' and we meet there every Friday, minimum.

/if your friends tell you not to use drugs they're not really your friends are they?.jpg
 
2014-08-05 03:42:09 PM  

WelldeadLink: rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.

There also are no alcoholism treatment centers because alcohol is legal.


I think the point may have been that due to the level of how illegal it is, schedule 1, even the smallest MJ infraction usually results in court-ordered rehab, especially for minors.

This doesn't happen for a general "minor in possession of alcohol" infraction.
 
2014-08-05 03:49:24 PM  

phillydrifter: WelldeadLink: There also are no alcoholism treatment centers because alcohol is legal.

There's alcohol treatment centers everywhere, it's called 'The Bar' and we meet there every Friday, minimum.

/if your friends tell you not to use drugs they're not really your friends are they?.jpg


Also: Only users lose drugs.
 
2014-08-05 03:56:23 PM  
Project SAM - my contempt for Patrick Kennedy, the drunk, knows no bounds.  Unhappy with drying out himself, he's taken upon himself to ruin a good time for everyone.

They are all still spouting the same tired lies about how it makes you crazy, how it's a gateway drug, for the children, etc.

They lost the war, now they want to recount the bodies and see if they won after all.

42 years smoking cannabis...still waiting for those terrible, terrible side effects...really.
 
2014-08-05 03:56:55 PM  
"Regular marijuana use can reduce your IQ by as much as 8 points."

Shiat brah, I can drop double that and still qualify for Mensa.

Reading the rest of their "facts" I can only come to one conclusion:

Ban alcohol and tobacco.
 
2014-08-05 04:09:37 PM  

rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.


If given a choice between paying hefty fines and/or incarceration and paying lip service to a substance abuse program, guess which one I'll choose.

/Tha's right, we bad.
//I say yassuh boss and nosah boss
///And shuffles mah feets.
 
2014-08-05 04:12:01 PM  
I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.
 
2014-08-05 04:12:37 PM  

CptnSpldng: rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.

If given a choice between paying hefty fines and/or incarceration and paying lip service to a substance abuse program, guess which one I'll choose.

/Tha's right, we bad.
//I say yassuh boss and nosah boss
///And shuffles mah feets.


I am NOT a yes man! If the boss says no, I also say no.
 
2014-08-05 04:20:53 PM  

untaken_name: I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.


Hope you like the taste of Big Pharma's cock.
 
2014-08-05 04:26:17 PM  
Oddly, Project SAM conceals it's contributors, hiding behind the rubric of "Volunteers".  Gezus, how venal.

I always love how the Prohibitionist Pants-Wetters always lean on "we don't know enough" when their ilk have been proscribing the needed research since the 1970's, mainly, best I can tell, because they can't prove Cannabis is that bad for you.  Unless they can prove it's bad for ya, they know that prohibition will end.

Those of us in the Legalize It camp need to be aware that these prohibitionists are going to fight like the cornered animals they are - which is to say they will use every lie and fabrication they can find in order to support their false narrative.  I would just laugh at them for the jokes that they are, but many otherwise intelligent citizens believe the baloney they spew.
 
2014-08-05 04:50:15 PM  

rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.


Marijuana is not an addiction. I used to suck di*k for coke, that's an addiction. Everybody boo these people!
 
2014-08-05 04:53:46 PM  
bmwericus - I would just laugh at them for the jokes that they are, but many otherwise intelligent citizens believe the baloney they spew.

I laugh also, but you have to know by now that sheeple are going to be sheeple, no matter how many facts you cram down their throats. Going on 32 years here and I am also waiting for the dangerous side effects. Of course, the effects of my depression (which I had years before I started smoking cannabis) and arthritis are way more dangerous and life altering than my cannabis use (in my case, cannabis really helps with my depression and anxiety disorders), but as I say above, you are never going to convince those who prefer to be lazy and let others think for them. I might also add that I have been around many people that I would say are intelligent, but still cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. Intelligence does not equate with common sense, after all.
 
2014-08-05 04:54:16 PM  

KierzanDax: "Regular marijuana use can reduce your IQ by as much as 8 points."

Shiat brah, I can drop double that and still qualify for Mensa.

Reading the rest of their "facts" I can only come to one conclusion:

Ban alcohol and tobacco.


I have come to the conclusion that you are a horrible troll
 
2014-08-05 04:57:28 PM  

bmwericus: Project SAM - my contempt for Patrick Kennedy, the drunk, knows no bounds.  Unhappy with drying out himself, he's taken upon himself to ruin a good time for everyone.

They are all still spouting the same tired lies about how it makes you crazy, how it's a gateway drug, for the children, etc.



So much this.

He's a farkin' Kennedy, for FSM's sake: "If I, a person whose genes and upbringing have guaranteed a predilection to substance abuse, can't control myself around any kind of mood-altering chemical, then obviously it's the chemical's fault. So they should all be banned."
 
2014-08-05 05:06:56 PM  
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Fact?  Pretty sure the fact is that these people experience those symptoms as part of their day-to-day life, and MJ is what relieves a portion of them temporarily.

But what would I know.  I only have a real close friend that can go for days or weeks without smoking delicious weeds with no side effects, but yet had to have a plan and a program to stop smoking cigarettes even though they are disgusting, harmful, and cost alot.

/day 13
//for my friend
///for your health
 
2014-08-05 05:51:23 PM  

Crudbucket: untaken_name: I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.

Hope you like the taste of Big Pharma's cock.


It's not bad, but I prefer Big Oil's greasy hogleg.
 
2014-08-05 05:52:48 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.

Marijuana is not an addiction. I used to suck di*k for coke, that's an addiction. Everybody boo these people!


What a weird coincidence, I have some Coke right here.

/you must really love soda
 
2014-08-05 06:18:57 PM  

rev. dave: The last fact on the page about young people admitted to drug treatment for MJ also is counterproductive for the anti folks.    They would not be admitted if it was legal.    The centers who treat them are likely treating people who have been shamed into thinking they are addicts.


1. Parents, with more money than sense, discover ado's are puffing and run them into treatment & P*ss tests (parental fear is the pertinent `dope effect')
2.  Juvenile Justice system funnels ado's into treatment p*ss tests (corecion via legal authority `ILP' is the `dope effect')
3. Ado's suffering from mental health problems seined up by docs/counselors (self medication is the `dope effect') - psychosis/schizophrenia?  No, high THC Sativas ain't Haloperidol by any means, but I've never come across any longitudinal review of an increase in the population of females, in late adolescence, that suffer their initial psychotic break owing to any cannabis preparation (and the males who are prodromally challenged tend to use ethanol to suppress the incipient disintegration - majority of acute psychoses are suffered by males - an increase in psychoses experienced by marijuana using females would be the canary in the coal mine).

And, if I hear this bullshiat from another Kennedy or soccer mom - "IS SO MUCH STONGER!!!!"
Yeah, fools, about that:  If the shiat is x20 more potent, one titrates the farking dose and only uses 1/20th as much (Oh, outlaw alcohol, again; mescal! - it's so much stronger than a dose of beer!)

/sitting on one's ass `consuming' sitcoms/HS football games?  Time management counseling for those on a finite schedule would be more useful (a Sativa & some Santayana, for instance, would represent a marked improvement)
 
2014-08-05 06:41:25 PM  
Fact - I can spew any amount of bullshiat I want with no citations.  Actually, I can even provide sources because sources are like assholes.  Everyone has one.

Pot and heart attack?  Probably, hell I don't really know.  I do know that sex can trigger it too in unhealthy people.  Let's all stop farking.

Irritability and withdrawal?  What study?  Every study I've ever read has no links at all to addiction.  But, that's all opinions.  I used to smoke and quit when the consequences of my actions outweighed the benefits.  I don't recall any side effects other than being bummed I couldn't get a buzz anymore.

treatment centers for kids?  Of course, with all the b.s. surrounding gateway drugs and misinformation, uninformed parents (and for-profit centers with links to juvenile courts) rush these kids off for treatment.  What a farking joke.  Let's all preach abstinence from sex while we're at it.  Yeah, that'll work.

Pot is stronger?  Yes, yes it is.  And that's why in 1978 I would smoke two joints  while in 1999 I smoked 2 or 3 hits at a time.  That's like "proving" 151 is stronger than 3.2 beer.  No shiat!

I could go on and on, but I have to take my kids to cheer practice (see the aforementioned reason for not smoking pot anymore).  I'd rather have a hug from my kid than a toke.  However, when the little bastards move out, I'll be stoned as Bejesus!!
 
2014-08-05 07:14:43 PM  

serial arseonist: Fact?  Pretty sure the fact is that these people experience those symptoms as part of their day-to-day life, and MJ is what relieves a portion of them temporarily.

But what would I know.  I only have a real close friend that can go for days or weeks without smoking delicious weeds with no side effects, but yet had to have a plan and a program to stop smoking cigarettes even though they are disgusting, harmful, and cost alot.

/day 13
//for my friend
///for your health


Read that while smoking an unfiltered hand-rolled and sipping from a tall cup of iced coffee, probably my fifth today...

Good luck, btw.

/ stopped smoking dope daily when a hippie G/F moved out, tried it maybe 3 times since and it was unpleasant each time.
 
2014-08-05 08:28:53 PM  
Crudbucket

Hope you like the taste of Big Pharma's cock.

AAAGH THIS ISN'T A JOINT
 
2014-08-05 09:08:34 PM  
Too Pretty For Prison:
Pot is stronger?  Yes, yes it is.   And that's why in 1978 I would smoke two joints  while in 1999 I smoked 2 or 3 hits at a time.  That's like "proving" 151 is stronger than 3.2 beer.  No shiat!


So farking much this, preach it, brother (or sister, I don't know)

I could go on and on, but I have to take my kids to cheer practice (see the aforementioned reason for not smoking pot anymore).  I'd rather have a hug from my kid than a toke.  However, when the little bastards move out, I'll be stoned as Bejesus!!

Good for you, I have friends who did the same thing.  Actually, by the time the kids were going to college, it was cool for mom and dad to get stoned again.  The daughter can take it or leave it, the son takes after his old man.

/would love to sponsor you for TotalFark.  I'm so broke I can't even pay attention
 
2014-08-05 10:27:40 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Something tells me those "facts" on that Grass is Not Greener site come from very biased studies.


untaken_name: I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.


Let's just say for the sake of argument that all they are all actually true... they still have fark-all to do with the question of legalization.
 
2014-08-05 10:51:48 PM  

serial arseonist: Fact?  Pretty sure the fact is that these people experience those symptoms as part of their day-to-day life, and MJ is what relieves a portion of them temporarily.


I would argue the severity and duration and likeliness to therefore resume smoking cannabis are far less than compared to tobacco. Recently decided to greatly reduce my alcohol consumption, and I feel a few pangs of what may be considered irritability or anxiety when I decide on a bottle of water rather than trying a new beer or having another dram of scotch, simply because consuming half a dozen drinks was common for me. Based on my experience with frequent users of cannabis, I imagine the loss of the ritual is what makes folks irritable or anxious. As well, there is the whole social aspect where cannabis users who stop basically are not around for a night or two a week, and people are somewhat incredulous when someone simply becomes disinterested, thus there is loss of contact which could conceivably become depression and sleeplessness.

Of course, none of what I say above should be construed as broadly applicable, but I can see why some users might experience an amount of those symptoms to various but low intensities. My thoughts, at least, on why the statement may be true simply stated but utterly false on equivocation.
 
2014-08-05 11:11:41 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: The Goddamn Batman: Something tells me those "facts" on that Grass is Not Greener site come from very biased studies.

untaken_name: I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that all they are all actually true... they still have fark-all to do with the question of legalization.


Pretty much par for the course, though, wouldn't you say?
 
2014-08-05 11:18:20 PM  

untaken_name: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: The Goddamn Batman: Something tells me those "facts" on that Grass is Not Greener site come from very biased studies.

untaken_name: I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that all they are all actually true... they still have fark-all to do with the question of legalization.

Pretty much par for the course, though, wouldn't you say?


Yes, so don't address the distractions and stay focused on the real issue. I'm in favor of legalizing all drugs but many in the pro-legalization camp piss me off because they fall into the trap of arguing the merits and pitfalls of the drugs themselves.

Different farking argument, people. I don't care whether pot makes you lazy and stupid or cures cancer; that's not the point. The point is whether it makes sense to conduct a war on your own people, and all the unintended consequences that follow, in the name of protecting people from themselves.
 
2014-08-06 12:38:25 AM  

bmwericus: Oddly, Project SAM conceals it's contributors, hiding behind the rubric of "Volunteers".  Gezus, how venal.

I always love how the Prohibitionist Pants-Wetters always lean on "we don't know enough" when their ilk have been proscribing the needed research since the 1970's, mainly, best I can tell, because they can't prove Cannabis is that bad for you.  Unless they can prove it's bad for ya, they know that prohibition will end.

Those of us in the Legalize It camp need to be aware that these prohibitionists are going to fight like the cornered animals they are - which is to say they will use every lie and fabrication they can find in order to support their false narrative.  I would just laugh at them for the jokes that they are, but many otherwise intelligent citizens believe the baloney they spew.


Fact: 76% of the doctors inthe AMA currently support medical marijuana.

When someone like the writer says "many medical orgs are against it" without listing even one org name.... well, I just hope you're wearing boots because shiats getting deep.
 
2014-08-06 01:29:34 AM  
If Pot is stronger now... doesn't that mean you inhale less of the cancer causing parts of the smoke and MORE of THC? Doesn't that actually mean it's 4 to 5 times HEALTHIER (or at least not as bad for you) as it was 40 years ago?
 
2014-08-06 02:34:12 AM  
Oh, for Buh-zeal-Bub's sake.

Can we just legalize the shiat already, so we can stop pretending it's a miracle plant that achieves what modern medicine can't, makes a better party staple than beer, and unlocks untapped potential, earning users their elite seat in the creative class, all while presenting no risks whatsoever to the brain, lungs, heart, and children who happen to live in the home?

Really, I mean it. No, I don't use alcohol or tobacco either, not that I care if other people do, and when I'm sick I ask my doctor what valid medical research says about various treatment options. So legalize it, go home, and light up instead of spending every free moment evangelizing for the damn stuff.

Look, I enjoy a few daily cups of coffee (sometimes more than is good for my health) but you don't hear me going on and on about how espresso is a cure for Alzheimer's, how it's so much better for you than high doses of amphetamines, how it's the "only thing" that controls the symptoms of my self-diagnosed narcolepsy, and how there are all these different varieties unappreciated and ignored by the medical establishment. Come on. It's a habit-forming psychoactive drug. Not that bad for you, but some people shouldn't ever use it, and it doesn't make you "cool" to be addicted to it.
 
2014-08-06 03:07:39 AM  

Crudbucket: untaken_name: I want some of what whoever wrote those "facts" was smoking. Must be some primo shiat, man.

Hope you like the taste of Big Pharma's cock.


I prefer the smell of their money.
 
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