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(The Raw Story)   Archaeologists piece together evidence of bloody apocalypse in 12th century America   (rawstory.com) divider line 39
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2014-08-05 07:16:57 PM  
thats-normal.com
 
2014-08-05 08:17:53 PM  
Peyote is a helluva drug.
 
2014-08-05 08:23:06 PM  
They must have legalized gay marriage.
 
2014-08-05 08:32:31 PM  
 
2014-08-05 08:33:52 PM  
I blame Leif Erikson. Everything was all flowers and sunshine among the peaceful natives before the white man came with his firewater and rap music.
 
2014-08-05 08:37:37 PM  
I don't know.  Those ladders don't look all that stable.  I'd guess more than a couple people fell off of them.
 
2014-08-05 08:47:50 PM  
sodalities

I had to look that one up. That's a pretty pretentious word, and I say that as a pretty pretentious man.
 
2014-08-05 08:49:42 PM  
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The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.
 
2014-08-05 08:50:37 PM  
(Yes I know they're not the same people. But this is all I know about either of them so here we go.)
 
2014-08-05 09:06:16 PM  
The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?
 
2014-08-05 09:07:32 PM  
Is this the proof that the mormons are right?
 
2014-08-05 09:17:50 PM  

Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


The gods put down their feet
So firmly to the ground
That no man of sword nor pen
Could ever change the rules upon which
The very fundament of metal was made!

/Google it.  The read all about it.
/IN THE BOOK OF HEAVY METAL !!!!
 
2014-08-05 09:23:36 PM  

Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


They didn't come early enough with Jesus, obviously.
 
2014-08-05 09:47:43 PM  

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The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.


Wong part of the country. And don't even get me started on the inaccuracies in that movie.

/I sound nerdy
 
2014-08-05 09:50:33 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400] [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400]
The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.


www.printinghub.org

The word you're looking for is Apaclypto.
 
2014-08-05 09:52:33 PM  

grumpfuff: Fark like a Barsoomian: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400] [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400]
The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.

Wrong part of the country continent. And don't even get me started on the inaccuracies in that movie.

/I sound nerdy


FTFM
 
2014-08-05 09:55:34 PM  
I'm heading out to Mesa Verde so I'm going to die right?
 
2014-08-05 09:56:34 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.


littlemexicangirl.jpg
 
2014-08-05 10:08:32 PM  

gilatrout: I'm heading out to Mesa Verde so I'm going to die right?


Well... Eventually.
 
2014-08-05 10:13:35 PM  
Yes, we knew that already.

But keep the confirmation coming.
 
2014-08-05 10:50:22 PM  

Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


"Blame the messenger" is a pretty tried-and-true strategy. Start with "it was probably due to disease or other natural causes but of course white male scholars have to assume it was because 'those dirty savages'" and run with it.

It's not that hard if you try.
 
2014-08-05 10:52:30 PM  

Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


If we cannot, then it is racist to bring up anything bad with their culture.
 
2014-08-05 11:03:26 PM  
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When I was a kid and they showed us slides like this they always said, "We don't know why they chose to build their houses half-way up a cliff."

Even as a kid I remember thinking, "Because they didn't want to die?"
 
2014-08-05 11:35:35 PM  
The environment shifts, food becomes scarce, and every is at every elses throat.

LEARN FROM HISTORY OR BE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
 
2014-08-05 11:37:53 PM  
I think someone was deleted in my last post...  Make that "everyone"
 
2014-08-06 04:24:50 AM  
I blame Navajos. And Apaches, Kiowas and Comanches, but mostly Navajos
 
2014-08-06 04:59:19 AM  

real_headhoncho: I think someone was deleted in my last post...  Make that "everyone"


Done.
 
2014-08-06 05:01:24 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: real_headhoncho: I think someone was deleted in my last post...  Make that "everyone"

Done.


goddammit.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-06 05:21:46 AM  

Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


Depends on their sexual orientation
 
2014-08-06 06:31:40 AM  
grumpfuff 2014-08-05 09:47:43 PM Fark like a Barsoomian: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400] [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400]The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.Wong part of the country. And don't even get me started on the inaccuracies in that movie./I sound nerdyLike, don't use HD with close-ups of fake jaguars?
 
2014-08-06 09:34:29 AM  
Damn Columbus and his time machine
 
2014-08-06 10:18:49 AM  

real_headhoncho: The environment shifts, food becomes scarce, and every is at every elses throat.

LEARN FROM HISTORY OR BE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.


Yes, learn your history and be doomed to keep harping on past injustices.
 
2014-08-06 10:37:34 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?

"Blame the messenger" is a pretty tried-and-true strategy. Start with "it was probably due to disease or other natural causes but of course white male scholars have to assume it was because 'those dirty savages'" and run with it.


The 1950's called and want their cultural norms back.  Really, the last fifty years have been a steady diet of "noble savage".  I even had a farker arguing with me that no animal species were made extinct when mankind arrived in the Americas, because "Native Americans knew better".

Native Americans were people, just as bloody as anyone else, but without the technology to really be good at it.  I'd imagine the scale of the death toll of this "apocalypse" was nowhere near the death toll of WWI or the Civil War.
 
2014-08-06 10:39:26 AM  

FLMountainMan: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?

"Blame the messenger" is a pretty tried-and-true strategy. Start with "it was probably due to disease or other natural causes but of course white male scholars have to assume it was because 'those dirty savages'" and run with it.

The 1950's called and want their cultural norms back.  Really, the last fifty years have been a steady diet of "noble savage".  I even had a farker arguing with me that no animal species were made extinct when mankind arrived in the Americas, because "Native Americans knew better".

Native Americans were people, just as bloody as anyone else, but without the technology to really be good at it.  I'd imagine the scale of the death toll of this "apocalypse" was nowhere near the death toll of WWI or the Civil War.


That whooshing soun over my head was either the iron pigeon or your point.
 
2014-08-06 10:52:06 AM  

FLMountainMan: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?

"Blame the messenger" is a pretty tried-and-true strategy. Start with "it was probably due to disease or other natural causes but of course white male scholars have to assume it was because 'those dirty savages'" and run with it.

The 1950's called and want their cultural norms back.  Really, the last fifty years have been a steady diet of "noble savage".  I even had a farker arguing with me that no animal species were made extinct when mankind arrived in the Americas, because "Native Americans knew better".

Native Americans were people, just as bloody as anyone else, but without the technology to really be good at it.  I'd imagine the scale of the death toll of this "apocalypse" was nowhere near the death toll of WWI or the Civil War.


Of course not. It says right in TFA that there were only about 40,000 people available to kill, rape, and eat.
 
2014-08-06 11:13:11 AM  

Fear the Clam: I blame Leif Erikson. Everything was all flowers and sunshine among the peaceful natives before the white man came with his firewater and rap music.


Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


Nemo's Brother: Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?

If we cannot, then it is racist to bring up anything bad with their culture.


MugzyBrown: Damn Columbus and his time machine


FLMountainMan: Really, the last fifty years have been a steady diet of "noble savage".


Got it out of your system?

Good.
 
2014-08-06 11:27:50 AM  

bobthenewsman: I blame Navajos. And Apaches, Kiowas and Comanches, but mostly Navajos


Had no idea the Navajo were so violent until I read this:


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But the Comanches, they were a bad ass tribe unto themselves. They were sh*t upon by all the other regional tribes until they got the horse.
Then it was payback time, biatches.


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2014-08-06 12:37:08 PM  

DrGunsforHands: grumpfuff 2014-08-05 09:47:43 PM Fark like a Barsoomian: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400] [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 600x400]The word you're looking for is not apocalypse, it's Apocalypto.Wong part of the country. And don't even get me started on the inaccuracies in that movie./I sound nerdyLike, don't use HD with close-ups of fake jaguars?


No, like don't say the movie is about the Maya and then set it 300 years after the collapse of the Maya.

/and don't take more scenes from Aztec culture than you do from Mayan
 
2014-08-06 06:11:28 PM  

Lee451: The question is: How can we blame this on the Europeans/White Man?


Obviously, you're joking, but what is astonishing about this find is the presence of the Calalus colony in the area. The Chaco culture referred to in TFA was primarily located in the Four Corners area. The important thing to realize about these people is that they had primarily immigrated from more advanced cultures located to the south, moving north in search of more farming-conducive areas. They developed an architecture unfamiliar to anyone else on the North American continent and practiced farming techniques that were very advanced compared to their neighbors. Unfortunately, their techniques were not advanced enough to overcome the surprisingly harsh climate conditions of the American Southwest, and they were unable to recover from a drought, instead falling back on warfare and a religious war.

Does that sound familiar? Because it should. The same thing happened to the Roman Jews in Palestine. They had practiced advanced farming techniques in an arid land that were unable to resist extended drought conditions, then fell apart in civil strife. Read your Old Testament - the story of the Sadducees is essentially the same drama, played out thousands of years previously. Now, the Roman Jews had migrated throughout Europe since the fall of the Roman Empire, arriving in France in plenty of time to see Charlemagne crowned. They had also ventured much further, residing in Spain, Africa, the Far East, and even the New World.

The Roman Jewish colony of Calalus was located further south from the main Chaco area, closer to where Tucson is located today. But since the founding of the colony in approximately 750-800 AD, the pressure for expansion had been growing steadily as more tribes came up from Central America. The tribes at Calalus therefore were forced further north, as well, eventually ending up in the Chaco region. People ask about the architecture of these wonderful pueblos, but as anyone who has seen a middle eastern bazaar or souk could tell you, this has long been a construction style with which the Jewish people were familiar. The same sort of three-level construction as was traditional in Jerusalem is found at many Chaco locations, including Mesa Verde. This is obviously influenced by the Jewish heritage of the Calalus colony.

So, you ask how you can blame the European white man? Well, if you consider Roman Jews who'd been living there for 400-odd years to be "the white man", it was their colony in Calalus that triggered this outbreak of violent anti-Semitism referred to in TFA.
 
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