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(WBUR Boston)   Market Basket holds job fair to convince workers to take striking workers' jobs. It went over about as well as you expected it to   (wbur.org) divider line 72
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2014-08-05 09:31:41 AM  
I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now
 
2014-08-05 09:36:42 AM  

somedude210: I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now


You can keep saying it when their stupidity continues to reach new levels with every passing day.
 
2014-08-05 09:50:22 AM  

somedude210: I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now


They (ASD faction) don't have a plan.  They're hoping to sell ASAP and cash out.
 
2014-08-05 09:57:40 AM  

Serious Black: somedude210: I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now

You can keep saying it when their stupidity continues to reach new levels with every passing day.


true. I just....what the hell is their endgame? At this point they *have* to be trying to drive the company into nothing because that's the only logical outcome from this.
 
2014-08-05 10:10:32 AM  
Why doesn't the other dude just open his own damn supermarket?
 
2014-08-05 10:14:04 AM  

somedude210: Serious Black: somedude210: I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now

You can keep saying it when their stupidity continues to reach new levels with every passing day.

true. I just....what the hell is their endgame? At this point they *have* to be trying to drive the company into nothing because that's the only logical outcome from this.


They could be suffering from delusions of grandeur and be of the belief that they can turn this around.
 
2014-08-05 10:24:18 AM  
They could look southward for people to do the jobs American managers don't want to do.

/I can't wait until they make me an offer I can't understand.
 
2014-08-05 10:38:21 AM  
The company said that applicants may fear for their safety, so that's why they're not attending the job fairs.

If they're hoping to paint the protestors as violent antagonists, then they're in a shock when they expect the police and Teamsters to "clear them out".
 
2014-08-05 10:40:18 AM  

EvilEgg: Why doesn't the other dude just open his own damn supermarket?


He could go to Stop and Shop.
 
2014-08-05 10:41:54 AM  
I have to say, I'm quite surprised by all this.  I've never really seen a community turn out this way over something like ownership of a supermarket.
 
2014-08-05 10:52:14 AM  
This entire situation is absolutely fascinating, really. Usually when the entire workforce rebels against management, the general public (anymore) tends to side with management and not (perceived) greedy unionized moochers. That doesn't appear to be the case here.
 
2014-08-05 10:55:07 AM  
Welcome to the Law of Unintended Consequences

/Surprise!
 
2014-08-05 11:00:08 AM  
Man, if this company's board digs any deeper, they'll be all the way through to China before the end of the week.
 
2014-08-05 11:11:53 AM  

Nabb1: Man, if this company's board digs any deeper, they'll be all the way through to China before the end of the week.


That's one way to get cheaper labor I guess, but it's a hell of a commute for the employees.
 
2014-08-05 11:14:40 AM  

Nabb1: Man, if this company's board digs any deeper, they'll be all the way through to China before the end of the week.


When they finally break through the earth's crust on the other end, do you think they'll keep digging and start ascending into space?
 
2014-08-05 11:18:20 AM  
Gotta give it to WBUR on their ongoing coverage.
 
2014-08-05 11:18:41 AM  
Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?
 
2014-08-05 11:24:30 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?


From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.
 
2014-08-05 11:25:59 AM  
I second the suggestion that Artie T should just open his own supermarket chain. It seems like the community will support it 1) out of spite and 2) because people like to buy food from people who like their jobs.

I shop at Whole Foods because the staff is so friendly and helpful. They don't always do it, but my cashier thanked me for shopping there yesterday.
 
2014-08-05 11:30:13 AM  

MintyBurns: I second the suggestion that Artie T should just open his own supermarket chain. It seems like the community will support it 1) out of spite and 2) because people like to buy food from people who like their jobs.

I shop at Whole Foods because the staff is so friendly and helpful. They don't always do it, but my cashier thanked me for shopping there yesterday.


Starting a new chain is much easier said than done. And there is likely under a non-compete.
 
2014-08-05 11:30:16 AM  
The death of any retailer is people changing their habits to avoid going to your stores.  Once you're off their radar, you have to spend a fortune to get them back.
 
2014-08-05 11:30:19 AM  

Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.


So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?
 
2014-08-05 11:32:46 AM  

MintyBurns: I second the suggestion that Artie T should just open his own supermarket chain. It seems like the community will support it 1) out of spite and 2) because people like to buy food from people who like their jobs.

I shop at Whole Foods because the staff is so friendly and helpful. They don't always do it, but my cashier thanked me for shopping there yesterday.


I think the issue might be that he can raise the funds for a 51% stake in the existing company, but not the startup capital to build one from the ground up.  One is a lot more than the other.
 
2014-08-05 11:33:24 AM  

enry: somedude210: I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now

They (ASD faction) don't have a plan.  They're hoping to sell ASAP and cash out.


If they just wanted to cash out, it wouldn't have gone this far. The potential value of the company is tanking every day.

There is almost certainly a lot of spite between the two sides of the family and the idea "if I can't have it nobody can".
 
2014-08-05 11:33:59 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The death of any retailer is people changing their habits to avoid going to your stores.  Once you're off their radar, you have to spend a fortune to get them back.


I drive past a Winn-Dixie to shop at Publix.
 
2014-08-05 11:35:34 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?


Looks like the reason was Arthur wasn't willing to sell out, and the board voted to oust him.
 
2014-08-05 11:35:58 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?


Short story...long standing family feud. This is the second time, I think, that evil Arthur has tried ousting good Arthur.
 
2014-08-05 11:35:59 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?


Biggest reason is probably a longstanding family dispute. They were trying to oust him for more than a year before finally getting enough votes.

The official reason is that they think he was too generous to employees and customers and costing the family money.
 
2014-08-05 11:37:31 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?


I'd have to dig for the good article that walked through the whole thing, but it's family drama two generations old.  Grand pappy started the chain, the two brothers took over and hated each other, now their kids hate each other.  One of the grandsons ran the chain for years and was well liked all the way down to the janitor level, because he paid decent wages, took an interest in their people, and actually went store to store and shook hands.  There was a takeover of the board by the new CEO (a cousin), and it's been ugly.  All the stores have done everything in their power to shut down operations.  Slow downs, blocking deliveries, refusing to unload deliveries, and even telling customers to not come back until they get their guy back on top.

It's amazing what happens when you treat your workers like human beings.
 
2014-08-05 11:37:55 AM  

dywed88: The official reason is that they think he was too generous to employees and customers and costing the family money.


Good thing the Waltons have a blood oath to treat workers poorly.
 
2014-08-05 11:39:16 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?


The prevailing belief is that the board (made of family members/owners) wanted to replace the CEO with someone who wouldn't be so generous with worker pay and supplier deals.  That way they could all get larger checks in the mail.  They knew about the blowback in advance, it's not like the employees sprang this on them at the last minute, it was well broadcast.
 
2014-08-05 11:40:38 AM  

Nadie_AZ: So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?


From yesterday's thread, per FriarReb98:

Artie T. was spending too much on benefits, and thus cutting into (or actually negating, depending on whom you ask) profits, which were already low because MB's allure is their barely-above-cost prices.  The board and Arthur Shiathead, who is the jealous dickhead cousin of Artie T., decided enough was enough and they fired him so they could work on making more money (presumably by cutting benefits & raising prices to a more profitable level).  I've not heard a definitive answer to why the managers who were fired were fired, but I assume it's because they did something that common sense says is right and dollars and cents say is worse than Hitler.
In the meantime, Arthur Shiathead and the board brought in two co-CEOs with a reputation for not running businesses well.  Between all of this, the workers revolted.  Customers followed, because it became more publicly obvious what was going on and because there was no food to shop for in the first place.  All the while, Arthur Shiathead and Co. have run the worst PR campaign ever, one that will undoubtedly be used in textbooks for generations to come on how NEVER to do it.  In addition to PR blunders, Arthur Shiathead's antics have lead to possible USDA violations (if what's been written in the papers about delivery issues is true) and now labor law, as the board suspended pay on managers Friday without checking to see which ones were actually working or not.  Meanwhile, Artie T. has tried repeatedly to save his grandfather's company, which is why people are on his side and not Arthur Shiathead's.
In the end, the longer this goes on, the more it looks like Arthur Shiathead is content to watch the world burn and let Market Basket go into receivership, JUST so he can get money while screwing over his much better-liked cousin.
 
2014-08-05 11:42:34 AM  

Where wolf: Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?

I'd have to dig for the good article that walked through the whole thing, but it's family drama two generations old.  Grand pappy started the chain, the two brothers took over and hated each other, now their kids hate each other.  One of the grandsons ran the chain for years and was well liked all the way down to the janitor level, because he paid decent wages, took an interest in their people, and actually went store to store and shook hands.  There was a takeover of the board by the new CEO (a cousin), and it's been ugly.  All the stores have done everything in their power to shut down operations.  Slow downs, blocking deliveries, refusing to unload deliveries, and even telling customers to not come back until they get their guy back on top.

It's amazing what happens when you treat your workers like human beings.


I am sure we will have a couple threads describing how todays employees are lazy good-for-nothings with no sense of loyalty by the end of the week, though.
 
2014-08-05 11:44:45 AM  

veale728: Nadie_AZ: So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?

From yesterday's thread, per FriarReb98:

Artie T. was spending too much on benefits, and thus cutting into (or actually negating, depending on whom you ask) profits, which were already low because MB's allure is their barely-above-cost prices.  The board and Arthur Shiathead, who is the jealous dickhead cousin of Artie T., decided enough was enough and they fired him so they could work on making more money (presumably by cutting benefits & raising prices to a more profitable level).  I've not heard a definitive answer to why the managers who were fired were fired, but I assume it's because they did something that common sense says is right and dollars and cents say is worse than Hitler.
In the meantime, Arthur Shiathead and the board brought in two co-CEOs with a reputation for not running businesses well.  Between all of this, the workers revolted.  Customers followed, because it became more publicly obvious what was going on and because there was no food to shop for in the first place.  All the while, Arthur Shiathead and Co. have run the worst PR campaign ever, one that will undoubtedly be used in textbooks for generations to come on how NEVER to do it.  In addition to PR blunders, Arthur Shiathead's antics have lead to possible USDA violations (if what's been written in the papers about delivery issues is true) and now labor law, as the board suspended pay on managers Friday without checking to see which ones were actually working or not.  Meanwhile, Artie T. has tried repeatedly to save his grandfather's company, which is why people are on his side and not Arthur Shiathead's.
In the end, the longer this goes on, the more it looks like Arthur Shiathead is content to watch the world burn and let Market Basket go into receivership, JUST so he can get money while screwing over his ...


Thank you. What a mess.
 
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2014-08-05 11:49:00 AM  
tnpir

These are nonunionized workers, so the public has a sense of human beings fighting evil corporate villains rather than corrupt legbreakers fighting corrupt pension stealers.

Workers turned down Teamsters' offer of assistance, which was probably a good PR move. It bought them the Herald's admiration, which might be worth something because MB shoppers are generally not the kind of elitist who thinks there is only one paper in Boston.

These are also workers that the public interacts with. You don't see the guy who makes your SUV, or the guy who backs the 18 wheeler up to the loading dock. You see shelf stockers and cashiers.
 
2014-08-05 11:51:44 AM  

tnpir: This entire situation is absolutely fascinating, really. Usually when the entire workforce rebels against management, the general public (anymore) tends to side with management and not (perceived) greedy unionized moochers. That doesn't appear to be the case here.


People might finally be waking up to the fact the greed of management is boundless, while "greedy" union members just wanted to put their kids through college and retire one day.
 
2014-08-05 11:53:16 AM  

dywed88: I am sure we will have a couple threads describing how todays employees are lazy good-for-nothings with no sense of loyalty by the end of the week, though.


Costco has loyal employees. Why? Same reason. They are paid well and taken care of.

People want this. Yet the majority of people out there seem to be ok with it being taken away in favor of the wealthy having more. Is it that they think they'll be rich one day? Are they jealous? Or is it an admission that they don't have any control where they work and therefore want everyone else to be miserable?
 
2014-08-05 11:54:47 AM  

ZAZ: tnpir

These are nonunionized workers, so the public has a sense of human beings fighting evil corporate villains rather than corrupt legbreakers fighting corrupt pension stealers.

Workers turned down Teamsters' offer of assistance, which was probably a good PR move. It bought them the Herald's admiration, which might be worth something because MB shoppers are generally not the kind of elitist who thinks there is only one paper in Boston.

These are also workers that the public interacts with. You don't see the guy who makes your SUV, or the guy who backs the 18 wheeler up to the loading dock. You see shelf stockers and cashiers.


To start with, it isn't a workers vs management dispute. It is a dispute between owners and most of the workers and management have sided with one faction.

If you support workers or management, you support the same side.
 
2014-08-05 11:57:06 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: The company said that applicants may fear for their safety, so that's why they're not attending the job fairs.


Plus, they have the WORST rides.
 
2014-08-05 11:59:13 AM  
Nadie_AZ: So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, it started out as a family squabble - possibly/probably personalities clashing? You know how siblings get, especially over money - that really was not job-performance related, but ended spilling over into the boardroom.

Essentially, Arthur T. was CEO, and had substantial trust and loyalty from employees, managers, and customers.  Arthur S. thought that Arthur S. should be CEO instead, and worked with his family friends and supporters on the board to kick Arthur T. out.

Arthur T. apparently took it with as good grace as possible under the circumstances, until the workers and managers started sticking up for him, and then the board and the new acting CEO starting retaliating against them for not supporting the putsch.  At least, it wasn't until that happened that I started hearing anything about Arthur T. fighting back.  That, coupled with his reputation for being a good boss, makes me think he's fighting back to try and keep supporting his people and hopefully keep them from getting hurt worse.  I'm sure he's probably mad at what they did to him, but he seems to be taking the high road far more than the other contingent.

I can sympathize - I've had bosses like him, for whom I would follow them into hell.  My current boss is one of those.
 
2014-08-05 12:01:11 PM  

BKITU: Nabb1: Man, if this company's board digs any deeper, they'll be all the way through to China before the end of the week.

That's one way to get cheaper labor I guess, but it's a hell of a commute for the employees.


Nah.  You just offer public transportation for them!  Sure, you make some sacrifices (like comfort in exchange for more room), but hey!  That's Freedom (and Liberty!)

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2014-08-05 12:14:11 PM  

tnpir: This entire situation is absolutely fascinating, really. Usually when the entire workforce rebels against management, the general public (anymore) tends to side with management and not (perceived) greedy unionized moochers. That doesn't appear to be the case here.


It's possible Arthur S. may be thinking the same thing by the end of this. 'This shiat works for everybody else, why isn't it working for me?'
 
2014-08-05 12:21:56 PM  
I think the workers and managers even the customers were smart to catch on when they found out the two new co CEOs were a couple of vultures that would probably fire a bunch of them, cut benefits, jack up prices and then sell to whoever to pick at whats left of the carcas.
 
2014-08-05 12:25:39 PM  
Maybe people aren't so much afraid of the protesting workers as they are unwilling to walk head first into being treated like cattle.
 
2014-08-05 12:26:30 PM  

Nadie_AZ: dywed88: I am sure we will have a couple threads describing how todays employees are lazy good-for-nothings with no sense of loyalty by the end of the week, though.

Costco has loyal employees. Why? Same reason. They are paid well and taken care of.

People want this. Yet the majority of people out there seem to be ok with it being taken away in favor of the wealthy having more. Is it that they think they'll be rich one day? Are they jealous? Or is it an admission that they don't have any control where they work and therefore want everyone else to be miserable?


People don't think long-term very often. I don't shop at Socialist Mary or Commie Club because I realize that doing so requires higher taxes to pay for the help their workers need due to low pay and benefits.

The public's view on unions is why my FiL told his sons to never go into the trades (family of carpenters for heaven knows how many generations) if they had a choice. None did, but they're actually pretty good carpenters. Same reason I went to college, I come from a family of mechanics and dirt farmers. We were told to never choose it as an occupation because the public perceives you as low value and not worthy of retiring.

Heck, a smart pilot told me never to become an airline pilot. 'Get what the public perceives as a real job and fly for fun' is what he told me. I'm glad I took this advice, as my wife and I are fairly comfortable and able to do indulge in our hobbies.
 
2014-08-05 12:34:21 PM  

tricycleracer: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The death of any retailer is people changing their habits to avoid going to your stores.  Once you're off their radar, you have to spend a fortune to get them back.

I drive past a Winn-Dixie to shop at Publix.


Anyone with any self respect does the same thing.

/posting this with a Publix sub sitting on my desk
 
2014-08-05 12:39:48 PM  
Probably better to hold job fairs when the public doesn't assume you're just going to go out of business...
 
2014-08-05 12:41:46 PM  

squidloe: Nadie_AZ: Nabb1: Nadie_AZ: Ok, I admit I don't know much about any of this. Is the company being Romney'd and the CEO and workers are fighting the takeover and butchering?

From what I can recall, the company is a small, closely held corporation owned by a family, and the ousted CEO is a family member, as are all the board members. The ousted CEO was apparently very popular with the rank and file and the store management, and the store managers demanded the CEO be brought back or they would walk. The board called their bluff, and I believe they walked. Now the fecal matter has struck the oscillating air cooling device.

So why was he fired? I mean, the Board had a reason for dismissing him, right? The blowback caught them off guard, but if everyone had just been ok with it, they would ____ ?

Short story...long standing family feud. This is the second time, I think, that evil Arthur has tried ousting good Arthur.


There's only one solution: a Red/Purple Wedding.
 
2014-08-05 12:58:43 PM  
Seems more and more like ASD and crew would rather go scorched earth than accept the fact that they lost this battle weeks ago.

If ATD wins, you can bet your last cabbage that Hollywood will turn it into a feel-good stick-it-to-the-man movie.  It'll star Morgan Freeman as the store manager with a conscience who persuades Arthur T to do right by the employees.  John Goodman will play Evil Arthur, and Jeff Bridges will be Good Arthur.

It'll happen.  Mark my words.
 
2014-08-05 01:00:22 PM  

somedude210: Serious Black: somedude210: I don't think the BoD thought their cunning plan through all the way

/yeah yeah, I've been saying this for weeks now

You can keep saying it when their stupidity continues to reach new levels with every passing day.

true. I just....what the hell is their endgame? At this point they *have* to be trying to drive the company into nothing because that's the only logical outcome from this.


Classic escalation of commitment.
 
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