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2014-08-05 11:10:59 AM  
www.zebowdesigns.com
 
2014-08-05 11:56:59 AM  
It was holy in an Old Testament kind of way.
 
2014-08-05 11:57:35 AM  
That's not really the HRE.
 
2014-08-05 11:58:56 AM  
Uh, yeah. And?
 
2014-08-05 11:59:04 AM  
The Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire are two separate things.
 
2014-08-05 11:59:31 AM  
Subby, that's the digital map of the Roman Empire, not the Holy Roman Empire.  What this got greenlit because a modmin liked the tired old joke and didn't check on what it was linked to?
 
2014-08-05 12:01:05 PM  
What a Wholly Roman Umpire might look like
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2014-08-05 12:02:01 PM  
Where is the bloody legend ?
 
2014-08-05 12:03:04 PM  
ehu! Aliquis insipiens est.
 
2014-08-05 12:03:20 PM  
How the fark did this crap headline attached to this shiat half-finished site get greenlit?!?
 
2014-08-05 12:04:51 PM  
Subby and modmin, come on, you're embarrassing yourself here.
 
2014-08-05 12:04:59 PM  
I guess they'll fire up the old terrazzo industry.  The big picture says "More Tiles Coming Soon"
 
2014-08-05 12:05:57 PM  
Right now it's an atlas of an internal server error.
 
2014-08-05 12:08:29 PM  

Warmnight: Where is the bloody legend ?


What can I do for you?
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Pardon me, I meant to say, "WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?"
 
2014-08-05 12:09:21 PM  

Drubell: Subby and modmin, come on, you're embarrassing yourself here.


This.
 
2014-08-05 12:10:28 PM  
That's the Roman Empire. The HRE came about several centuries later in France/Germany and was designated as a successor state to the Western part of the Roman Empire. The title of Holy Roman Emperor was initially awarded by the pope to Charlemagne and later to Otto I. It eventually passed on the the Hapsburg Dynasty which held it until Napoleon happened to Europe.

There was a point in time, just after the 4th Crusade when 3 entities claimed to be the successor to the Roman Empire (the HRE, the Latin Empire in Constantinople, and the Byzantine Imperial Court in exile in what is now Romania) and none of the 3 actually controlled Rome.
 
2014-08-05 12:13:35 PM  

cgraves67: entities claimed to be the successor to the Roman Empire (the HRE, the Latin Empire in Constantinople, and the Byzantine Imperial Court in exile in what is now Romania) and none of the 3 actually controlled Rome.


Branding like that is valuable.
 
2014-08-05 12:13:39 PM  
Subby fails history, among other things.
 
2014-08-05 12:13:49 PM  
Pretty neat, but doesn't take into account changed coastlines and river courses if their intention was to make a map of the Roman world as it was.
 
2014-08-05 12:20:00 PM  

006andahalf: Pretty neat, but doesn't take into account changed coastlines and river courses if their intention was to make a map of the Roman world as it was.


On this topic - is it true that historians don't know the specific location of the rubicon river?
 
2014-08-05 12:22:27 PM  
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More relevant to a farker than the link.
 
2014-08-05 12:24:27 PM  

Drubell: Subby and modmin, come on, you're embarrassing yourself here.


Only one acceptable solution for them and this site:  damnatio memoriae.
 
2014-08-05 12:30:36 PM  
l2 history, subby.

However mentioning the HRE made me think of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_SMob9MNF4
 
2014-08-05 12:30:55 PM  

cgraves67: That's the Roman Empire. The HRE came about several centuries later in France/Germany and was designated as a successor state to the Western part of the Roman Empire. The title of Holy Roman Emperor was initially awarded by the pope to Charlemagne and later to Otto I. It eventually passed on the the Hapsburg Dynasty which held it until Napoleon happened to Europe.

There was a point in time, just after the 4th Crusade when 3 entities claimed to be the successor to the Roman Empire (the HRE, the Latin Empire in Constantinople, and the Byzantine Imperial Court in exile in what is now Romania) and none of the 3 actually controlled Rome.


Took the words right out of my mouth (not really).

I've always countered that SNL bit with:  "The only thing the Holy Roman Empire wasn't was Roman.  Maybe it was smallish for an Empire, but not in that time and age, and Holy is a completely subjective thing anyway."
 
2014-08-05 12:35:06 PM  
Fun fact:  Liechtenstein still considers itself to be part of the HRE.
 
2014-08-05 12:37:25 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: cgraves67: That's the Roman Empire. The HRE came about several centuries later in France/Germany and was designated as a successor state to the Western part of the Roman Empire. The title of Holy Roman Emperor was initially awarded by the pope to Charlemagne and later to Otto I. It eventually passed on the the Hapsburg Dynasty which held it until Napoleon happened to Europe.

There was a point in time, just after the 4th Crusade when 3 entities claimed to be the successor to the Roman Empire (the HRE, the Latin Empire in Constantinople, and the Byzantine Imperial Court in exile in what is now Romania) and none of the 3 actually controlled Rome.

Took the words right out of my mouth (not really).

I've always countered that SNL bit with:  "The only thing the Holy Roman Empire wasn't was Roman.  Maybe it was smallish for an Empire, but not in that time and age, and Holy is a completely subjective thing anyway."


The Holy part was on lock down with the Pope doing the crowning and all.
 
2014-08-05 12:39:34 PM  

Naritai: 006andahalf: Pretty neat, but doesn't take into account changed coastlines and river courses if their intention was to make a map of the Roman world as it was.

On this topic - is it true that historians don't know the specific location of the rubicon river?


They know  basically where it is, just not the exact path.  It really wasn't much more than a perennial creek.  A big flood, avalanche, erosion or Roman Legion with time on their hands could change it's course in less than a season.  Hell, ancient Mesopotamian kings would occasionally re-route the Euphrates to screw with their opponents.
 
2014-08-05 12:39:58 PM  
It's been a while since I've seen a headline so derpy that even a ninja-edit by a mod cant save it.

/I'm guessing not holy because they were protestant, not Roman because they were German, and not Empire because it was a loose confederacy of states and cities
//I'll let you wikipedia-reading experts correct me if I'm wrong
 
2014-08-05 12:48:15 PM  
Via Campana?

I don't know!!
 
2014-08-05 12:49:10 PM  
This shizz makes me hate coming back to Fark
 
2014-08-05 12:50:32 PM  
The Rubicon is a small shallow river named for its red mud.

It is still were it was but like other small shallow streams it has wandered back and forth on the flat and no one can say precisely where it or Caesar was when Caesar and his army crossed it.

It is sort of like the Ankh River of Disc world only it doesn't catch fire and it doesn't eat your boots off if you stand still in it for too long.

Maybe Heraclites had a similar river in mind when he said you can never cross the same river twice because everything changes and the river is never the same at two different moments in time.

Still, the Rubicon is enough like itself that you could cross it if you were so minded. See Google for directions or take you chances with GPS.
 
2014-08-05 12:57:16 PM  

cgraves67: That's the Roman Empire. The HRE came about several centuries later in France/Germany and was designated as a successor state to the Western part of the Roman Empire. The title of Holy Roman Emperor was initially awarded by the pope to Charlemagne and later to Otto I. It eventually passed on the the Hapsburg Dynasty which held it until Napoleon happened to Europe.

There was a point in time, just after the 4th Crusade when 3 entities claimed to be the successor to the Roman Empire (the HRE, the Latin Empire in Constantinople, and the Byzantine Imperial Court in exile in what is now Romania) and none of the 3 actually controlled Rome.


That's some pope.
 
2014-08-05 01:00:37 PM  
According to Geni.com, Augustus Caesar, the second Roman Emperor, is my 49th great-grandfather (Caesar himself would be 50th by adoption) while Charlemagne, the first Holy Roman Emperor, is my 32nd great-grandfather plus many other relationships.

If you want to know the difference between the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, just ask.

I dares yah!

Buck, buck, buck, buck, buck!

Seriously, don't ask. Big fat books are written on subjects less complex and abstruse.

If either of these men really have any descendants, everybody is their descendants according to mathematicians, biologists, geneticists, and other people who like to fiddle with such problems while the Treaty of Rome burns.

Some of these relationships change daily as I add to and correct my family tree so ask for the latest rate. Only a little while ago, Charlemagne was my first cousin, 29 times removed. I hate that.
 
2014-08-05 01:02:01 PM  

MooseBayou: cgraves67: That's the Roman Empire. The HRE came about several centuries later in France/Germany and was designated as a successor state to the Western part of the Roman Empire. The title of Holy Roman Emperor was initially awarded by the pope to Charlemagne and later to Otto I. It eventually passed on the the Hapsburg Dynasty which held it until Napoleon happened to Europe.

There was a point in time, just after the 4th Crusade when 3 entities claimed to be the successor to the Roman Empire (the HRE, the Latin Empire in Constantinople, and the Byzantine Imperial Court in exile in what is now Romania) and none of the 3 actually controlled Rome.

That's some pope.


No, that's just some papal bull.
 
2014-08-05 01:13:09 PM  

Fallout Boy: It's been a while since I've seen a headline so derpy that even a ninja-edit by a mod cant save it.

/I'm guessing not holy because they were protestant, not Roman because they were German, and not Empire because it was a loose confederacy of states and cities
//I'll let you wikipedia-reading experts correct me if I'm wrong


It was created prior to the Reformation, and the title was bestowed by the Pope until the Peace of Westphalia (I think?). At which point, the HRE was allowed the local ruling nobility to decide the nominal religious affiliation of their domain and therefore was still partially Catholic. So it was Holy for a while.
 
2014-08-05 01:23:50 PM  
The dear old Holy Roman Empire,
What on earth holds it together?
 
2014-08-05 01:34:08 PM  

Fallout Boy: It's been a while since I've seen a headline so derpy that even a ninja-edit by a mod cant save it.

/I'm guessing not holy because they were protestant, not Roman because they were German, and not Empire because it was a loose confederacy of states and cities
//I'll let you wikipedia-reading experts correct me if I'm wrong


Really, the Holy Roman Empire changed significantly over the centuries. Early on, you could easily justify the term, by the end not so much. By the 19th century most Emperors were not crowned by the Pope, they had little control outside their personal realms, and didn't associated with Roman customs and styles.

Initially, and for a large part of its history, HRE was relatively cohesive and the Emperor held real power over its realms. Nothing compared to a modern state, but similar to contemporary kingdoms and much of Roman history.

The Emperor was never Protestant, the leading figures in the HRE were southern Germans (notably the Habsburgs of Austria) by that time which remained Catholic following the reformation and are still predominately Catholic today.

Also, they did rule Rome for awhile. And someone being "Roman" really had little to do with the City, it was more cultural. Those from Eastern Roman Empire considered themselves "Roman" even after the Turks brought the empire down.
 
2014-08-05 01:40:34 PM  
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Fark you, HRE.
 
2014-08-05 02:13:48 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire are two separate things.


They added "Holy" to the name to get the Easter Eggs in NationStates.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=farkistan
 
2014-08-05 03:24:35 PM  
Brought to you by the Empire of INTERNAL SERVER ERROR.
 
2014-08-05 04:01:06 PM  
Yet another thing to add ", Batman!" to.
 
2014-08-05 04:32:08 PM  
Ahh, Fark, where subbys and modmins can test out what they forgot from grade school.
 
2014-08-05 10:36:59 PM  
Where's my Streetview icon?
 
2014-08-05 10:59:21 PM  
Sic transit gloria.
 
2014-08-06 06:26:35 AM  

MythDragon: [i801.photobucket.com image 850x637]

Fark you, HRE.


What game is that?
 
2014-08-06 09:40:47 AM  

Mangoose: MythDragon: [i801.photobucket.com image 850x637]

Fark you, HRE.

What game is that?


total war: medieval 2

The Pope is a total asshole. Another nation invaded and took over 4 of my lands. The second I gathered enough of an army to start taking them back, the Pope was all like "Hey hey hey! Christian nations shouldn't attack one another. If you keep attacking them, you will be excommunicated" Well farking thanks. Where where you when they were taking MY lands?

And then I am busy fighting the Mongols, and the pope decides he wants a crusade, and I need to devote troops to that. Fark you pope, I am fighting mongols, I don't have troops to spare trapesing to the other side of the planet. "Do it or you're excommunicated" Fine...I guess I'll start building some 'No, do it NOW!' But...mongols....hordes....raping.... "NOW!"

So I decided "Fark this pope". I sent all my preists to far away lands to really build up their experience at oppressing other religions, and got most of the College of Cardnials stocked with my guys. Then I had the pope assassinated. He got an arrow to the neck. Now with most of the votes, I could pick one of my people to be the new pope.

Things were great for a while. I told the crusades to go fark themselves, I took back all my lands from France (and a bunch of their lands for starting shiat). Then the new pope started getting a little big for his britches. Forgot who his king was. Forgot who put him there. Started issuing edicts. So I had him assassinated too. The new new guy was good for a while, until he started thinking that he answered to a higher power than me.  He got a giant stone block dropped on his head as he went under a bridge.

And thus it went for the rest of the campaign. I get tired of the old pope and have him 'removed from office', and the new guy tows the line for a while, until he thinks he's in charge, and then I off him too. You'd think they'd learn. Like after the 10th pope has been assassinated in 20 years. But no, they never did.
 
2014-08-06 09:48:43 AM  

MythDragon: Mangoose: MythDragon: [i801.photobucket.com image 850x637]

Fark you, HRE.

What game is that?

total war: medieval 2

The Pope is a total asshole. Another nation invaded and took over 4 of my lands. The second I gathered enough of an army to start taking them back, the Pope was all like "Hey hey hey! Christian nations shouldn't attack one another. If you keep attacking them, you will be excommunicated" Well farking thanks. Where where you when they were taking MY lands?

And then I am busy fighting the Mongols, and the pope decides he wants a crusade, and I need to devote troops to that. Fark you pope, I am fighting mongols, I don't have troops to spare trapesing to the other side of the planet. "Do it or you're excommunicated" Fine...I guess I'll start building some 'No, do it NOW!' But...mongols....hordes....raping.... "NOW!"

So I decided "Fark this pope". I sent all my preists to far away lands to really build up their experience at oppressing other religions, and got most of the College of Cardnials stocked with my guys. Then I had the pope assassinated. He got an arrow to the neck. Now with most of the votes, I could pick one of my people to be the new pope.

Things were great for a while. I told the crusades to go fark themselves, I took back all my lands from France (and a bunch of their lands for starting shiat). Then the new pope started getting a little big for his britches. Forgot who his king was. Forgot who put him there. Started issuing edicts. So I had him assassinated too. The new new guy was good for a while, until he started thinking that he answered to a higher power than me.  He got a giant stone block dropped on his head as he went under a bridge.

And thus it went for the rest of the campaign. I get tired of the old pope and have him 'removed from office', and the new guy tows the line for a while, until he thinks he's in charge, and then I off him too. You'd think they'd learn. Like after the 10th pope has been assassinated in 20 years. But ...


Really one of the best games ever.  I spent way too much time on that thing.
 
2014-08-06 12:22:48 PM  

tnpir: [www.zebowdesigns.com image 400x345]


this

/satisfied
//fou-ah fou-ah fou-ah, fou-ah, fou-ah, fou-ah, fou-ah (444-4444)
///discuss
 
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