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(Talking Points Memo)   How Nixon paved the way for "welfare queens", "star wars" and "denying anything about Nicaraguan death squads"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 29
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2014-08-05 02:04:22 PM  
FTFA: The evidence, allegedly, included forged cables meant to frame John F. Kennedy for the assassination of South Vietnam's president Ngo Dinh Diem; a spy dossier on Ted Kennedy; and a memo on Hunt's meetings with a lobbyist linked to bribes paid to Nixon by International Telephone & Telegraph. Reporters unearthed a new private treasury of $600,000 to finance dirty tricks-like the thousands of copies of the Washington Post the White House bought, then shredded, to fake votes in a poll on whether or not the president was doing the right thing in Vietnam.

Nixon, you dolt!

Wow, I'd almost forgotten what a bastard Nixon was but that article brought a lot of it back.

FTFA: "They did something that was stupid and foolish and was criminal"- then corrected himself: "It was illegal. Illegal is a better word than criminal because I think criminal has a different connotation." He said, "The tragedy of this is that men who are not criminals at heart" had to suffer. It saddened him "that now there is going to have to be punishment."

Luckily by the time Reagan got into office he'd figured out how to commit criminal, excuse me, illegal acts without having any kind of serious consequences so he had that going on for him.

Reagan also stole a lot of his southern strategy schtick from Nixon who himself stole it from George Wallace.
 
2014-08-05 03:10:52 PM  
The most important lesson everyone can take away from Nixon:
Don't get caught.
 
2014-08-05 03:14:48 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The most important lesson everyone can take away from Nixon:
Don't get caught.


that lesson was superseded by the bush administration's lesson:

write a really big legal document explaining how even if what you're doing is illegal, it's still not illegal
 
2014-08-05 03:21:30 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The most important lesson everyone can take away from Nixon:
Don't get caught.


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i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-05 03:24:34 PM  
reagan was a piece of shiat

water is wet
 
2014-08-05 03:27:32 PM  
ronaldus magnus reagan, a great man who once wished that protesting the war in vietnam should be punishable by death
 
2014-08-05 03:30:04 PM  
BTW, I highly highly highly highly recommend following @dick_nixon on twitter. It's a work of art.

Richard M. Nixon @dick_nixon ·18h
I'll say this again about Dean. Have you ever known a fellow to beat his breast so much? Ever? What do you think that means?

Richard M. Nixon @dick_nixon ·18h
The Mexican has a sense of tradition. At present they're dishonest, they steal, but they have a sense of family life.

Richard M. Nixon @dick_nixon ·18h
This goddamn HBO thing.
 
2014-08-05 03:30:48 PM  
Then Obama minimized Benghazi. It all was part of the usual "atmosphere of Ramadan," where pranks were just part of the game. "They did something that was stupid and foolish and was criminal"- then corrected himself: "It was illegal. Illegal is a better word than criminal because I think criminal has a different connotation." He said, "The tragedy of this is that men who are not criminals at heart" had to suffer. It saddened him "that now there is going to have to be punishment."
 
2014-08-05 03:34:10 PM  

Jackson Herring: ronaldus magnus reagan, a great man who once wished that protesting the war in vietnam should be punishable by death


It was in Ohio

/How many more?
.
 
2014-08-05 03:34:30 PM  
a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2014-08-05 03:38:09 PM  
Stop blaming Nixon, it was not his fault, he was a republican.
 
2014-08-05 03:58:10 PM  

mayIFark: Stop blaming Nixon, it was not his fault, he was a republican.


Republicans have been trying to "Get back" at libs for noticing Nixon was az crrok for decades.

And yet, I'd vote for him before any Republican you can name today.
 
2014-08-05 04:00:16 PM  

sprawl15: bobothemagnificent: The most important lesson everyone can take away from Nixon:
Don't get caught.

that lesson was superseded by the bush administration's lesson:

write a really big legal document explaining how even if what you're doing is illegal, it's still not illegal


My biggest problem with all of that could have been fixed by simply making them illegal combatants.  IIRC, illegal combatants  are equal to spies in the Geneva Convention- no rights, no trials, nothing.  Instead they treated A.Q. like a foreign government.  The Taliban is slightly different, they were a government (of a sort), so I can see treating them slightly different from the other scumballs.
 
2014-08-05 04:09:47 PM  

bobothemagnificent: My biggest problem with all of that could have been fixed by simply making them illegal combatants.  IIRC, illegal combatants  are equal to spies in the Geneva Convention- no rights, no trials, nothing.


that's basically what they did, but they did it privately because it wouldn't stand up to rigor. that category is defined by geneva convention III, article 4, section 2's language that applies to "Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict". the problem with the argument is that the 9/11 aumf directly wages war upon those militias, so they don't belong to a Party to the conflict, they are the Party to the conflict. so section 1 would apply, which has no provisions for 'illegal combatants' as it applies to all "Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces."

if the united states congress passed an aumf against you, personally, would it make more sense to say that you are a legal participant in the war, or to try to call you an illegal participant in the war because you don't report to a command structure?
 
2014-08-05 04:24:22 PM  

foo monkey: [a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]


I love this image.
 
2014-08-05 04:38:53 PM  

bobothemagnificent: IIRC, illegal combatants are equal to spies in the Geneva Convention- no rights, no trials, nothing.


You recall incorrectly.

Convention (IV) respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex: Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907.
Art. 30. A spy taken in the act shall not be punished without previous trial.

Spies are handled differently then uniformed troops. For obvious reasons, they do not get the right to communicate.

A lot of the cunfusion people have on this subject is that the stuff with spies dates to 1949, so all the WW2 films that showed summary execution were accurate, but this is no longer the case.
 
2014-08-05 04:44:46 PM  
Hinkley needed more range time.
 
2014-08-05 04:52:28 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: bobothemagnificent: IIRC, illegal combatants are equal to spies in the Geneva Convention- no rights, no trials, nothing.

You recall incorrectly.

Convention (IV) respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex: Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907.
Art. 30. A spy taken in the act shall not be punished without previous trial.

Spies are handled differently then uniformed troops. For obvious reasons, they do not get the right to communicate.

A lot of the cunfusion people have on this subject is that the stuff with spies dates to 1949, so all the WW2 films that showed summary execution were accurate, but this is no longer the case.


Thanks.
 
2014-08-05 04:55:47 PM  
Heard it on the JRE but has anyone else seen that just about everyone involved with the Star Wars program died, many under mysterious circumstances?
 
2014-08-05 05:15:46 PM  

flynn80: Heard it on the JRE but has anyone else seen that just about everyone involved with the Star Wars program died, many under mysterious circumstances?


Lies. Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill are all still alive.
 
2014-08-05 05:22:46 PM  
flynn80: Heard it on the JRE but has anyone else seen that just about everyone involved with the Star Wars program died faded away, many under mysterious circumstances?

/forced joke
 
2014-08-05 07:17:29 PM  
Gods, I love Nixon. Best late 20th President by far. A drunk, a paranoid, had nuclear weapons at his disposal. Kissinger and him essentially ran the country for four years. He's so much more entertaining than ham handed antics of losers like Ronnie Ray Gun and, by god, that moron W. Nixon invaded Cambodia and Laos and didn't bother to tell any one for nearly a month. Nixon only informed his cabinet that he was visiting China four days before he went.

No wonder the Tea 'tards don't like Nixon. He was far, far smarter than the moronic Presidents they worship.
 
2014-08-05 07:22:25 PM  
Oh, and Nixon & Reagan were great. Oh, Jimmuh sez hamas is a real political party. And you wonder why I laugh at the left.
 
2014-08-05 07:37:44 PM  
Heh. All you haters are forgetting that the foundation of Obamacare was Nixon's idea.
 
2014-08-05 08:08:21 PM  
If Nixon were president today, Putin and Hamas would be kept a lot more off-balance, there would be a less-overreaching national health insurance program, and he would concede a few small liberal victories, I'm guessing minimum wage and gay rights. On the other hand, the economy would be an even bigger disaster, and NSA would be the official intelligence arm of the Republican Party.
 
2014-08-05 08:15:14 PM  
Reagan farked up the country beyond recognition and W was a disaster of historic proportions, but for sheer, unmitigated evil, I hope I don't live to see the likes of Nixon ever again.
 
2014-08-05 08:18:47 PM  

BMulligan: Reagan farked up the country beyond recognition and W was a disaster of historic proportions, but for sheer, unmitigated evil, I hope I don't live to see the likes of Nixon ever again.


Nixon and Reagan: the two men most responsible for America's decline for the past 40+ years.
 
2014-08-05 10:40:55 PM  

quatchi: FTFA: The evidence, allegedly, included forged cables meant to frame John F. Kennedy for the assassination of South Vietnam's president Ngo Dinh Diem; a spy dossier on Ted Kennedy; and a memo on Hunt's meetings with a lobbyist linked to bribes paid to Nixon by International Telephone & Telegraph. Reporters unearthed a new private treasury of $600,000 to finance dirty tricks-like the thousands of copies of the Washington Post the White House bought, then shredded, to fake votes in a poll on whether or not the president was doing the right thing in Vietnam.

Nixon, you dolt!

Wow, I'd almost forgotten what a bastard Nixon was but that article brought a lot of it back.

FTFA: "They did something that was stupid and foolish and was criminal"- then corrected himself: "It was illegal. Illegal is a better word than criminal because I think criminal has a different connotation." He said, "The tragedy of this is that men who are not criminals at heart" had to suffer. It saddened him "that now there is going to have to be punishment."

Luckily by the time Reagan got into office he'd figured out how to commit criminal, excuse me, illegal acts without having any kind of serious consequences so he had that going on for him.

Reagan also stole a lot of his southern strategy schtick from Nixon who himself stole it from George Wallace.


Nixon was and is still the ruling King of Bastardy. This is the guy who gave us the EPA, after all.


//Now to make popcorn.
 
2014-08-06 01:27:24 AM  
I would still vote this monstrous son of a biatch in over any of the corn fed f*ckwits the modern GOP has to offer.

i.imgur.com
 
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