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(Chicago Trib)   $omehow, the red-light cameras in Chicago are churning out thousands of faulty tickets; city officials say they have no knowledge of what's wrong and are shocked and offended at the implication that there might be corruption in Chicago   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 82
    More: Unlikely, tags, red light cameras, Chicago Department of Transportation, civil engineers, Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., environmental engineering, Department of Transportation  
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2014-08-05 08:18:25 AM  
...But... safety....
 
2014-08-05 09:24:18 AM  

Destructor: ...But... safety....


Think of the CHILDREN!
 
2014-08-05 09:41:51 AM  
even though City Hall legally required the camera vendor to watch for the slightest anomaly in ticketing patterns every day

I always hire foxes to guard my henhouse.
 
2014-08-05 09:42:59 AM  
I'd like to read that story, but apparently "premium content" is only available to residents of the United States.

F*cking racist assholes.
 
2014-08-05 09:45:48 AM  
Consistency and fairness are crucial to traffic enforcement because the goal is to make streets safer by changing driver behavior

This is an "expert" speaking?  What are they experts at, doublethink?

Traffic enforcement is for taxing drivers via ticket revenue.  Period.  End of story.
 
2014-08-05 09:46:29 AM  
Meanwhile, there's an easy time-reducing method of paying your red light camera tickets on-line without every going to court!
(court fees still apply)
 
2014-08-05 09:53:33 AM  
Yes, all parties are highly motivated to make sure the red light cameras are FAIR.

...And if you don't like our Red Light Cameras, perhaps we could interest you in our highly fair parking meters... No problems with that.

Or the city sticker program. That's working as smoothly as silk... with barbwire embedded in it.

...I wonder if this isn't some sort of diabolical plan to force people onto public transit.

i.kinja-img.com
/Insert maniacal laughter here.
 
2014-08-05 09:54:36 AM  

Rev.K: I'd like to read that story, but apparently "premium content" is only available to residents of the United States.

F*cking racist assholes.


The US is a race now?  Assholes, I'll give you.  F*ckers? Sure.
But its own race?
 
2014-08-05 10:09:51 AM  
Isn't it odd that the states that have the largest speed camera operators just happen to have the worst camera practices?

The new parking meters here start the clock the second the car moves into the spot and $8/hr takes a few coins.
 
2014-08-05 10:24:02 AM  
The cancer thing is deeply silly, but diabetes?

There's plenty of money and political hay to be made in "managing" diabetes rather than curing it.

If you wanted to be  really conspiratorial there's a plausible argument that agriculture subsidies, food assistance, and that discredited old USDA food pyramid all paved the way for the upswing in obesity and diabetes.

Maybe we should replace food stamps with...I dunno, food? Government kale instead of government cheese!
 
2014-08-05 10:25:33 AM  

Gulper Eel: The cancer thing is deeply silly, but diabetes?

There's plenty of money and political hay to be made in "managing" diabetes rather than curing it.

If you wanted to be  really conspiratorial there's a plausible argument that agriculture subsidies, food assistance, and that discredited old USDA food pyramid all paved the way for the upswing in obesity and diabetes.

Maybe we should replace food stamps with...I dunno, food? Government kale instead of government cheese!


Well, crap. Wrong thread. Or maybe I was sent here by the Koch Brothers and George Soros to distract you from the REAL issues facing Chicago.
 
2014-08-05 10:37:34 AM  

Gulper Eel: Gulper Eel: The cancer thing is deeply silly, but diabetes?

There's plenty of money and political hay to be made in "managing" diabetes rather than curing it.

If you wanted to be  really conspiratorial there's a plausible argument that agriculture subsidies, food assistance, and that discredited old USDA food pyramid all paved the way for the upswing in obesity and diabetes.

Maybe we should replace food stamps with...I dunno, food? Government kale instead of government cheese!

Well, crap. Wrong thread. Or maybe I was sent here by the Koch Brothers and George Soros to distract you from the REAL issues facing Chicago.


DUDE. There's no need to bring pizza into this.
 
2014-08-05 10:42:42 AM  
Aren't all Chicago links supposed to be about how all the poors are murdering one another 24/7 and it's all the DIMs' fault?

/that and pizzarole?
 
2014-08-05 10:42:43 AM  
I'd be perfectly fine with red light cameras under two conditions:

1) They're independently regulated by a body outside the control of municipalities and the companies that run them

and

2) Their inner-workings are open sourced AND all relevant data for every ticket and about the operation of every camera is available to the public at any time

But, then, if that were going to happen I'd just take my flying unicorn to work anyway.
 
2014-08-05 10:44:41 AM  

elvisaintdead: Rev.K: I'd like to read that story, but apparently "premium content" is only available to residents of the United States.

F*cking racist assholes.

The US is a race now?  Assholes, I'll give you.  F*ckers? Sure.
But its own race?


Race to the bottom, maybe.
 
2014-08-05 10:46:05 AM  
I'm shocked most that the 4 million cameras only averaged $100 in tickets each.  Total.
 
2014-08-05 10:47:19 AM  
Damn racists. Making it impossible for non whites to use proxies. Outrage.
 
2014-08-05 10:48:49 AM  
Just $2M in bribes? That's free speech, just the way the businessmen who framed the US Constitution intended. And they're certainly allowed to speak freely with politicians.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-08-05 10:48:55 AM  
An issue like red-light cameras, that truly passes the BSAB test, is about as rare as a black astronaut.
 
2014-08-05 10:49:10 AM  
DC's red light cameras aren't even in DC.
 
2014-08-05 10:49:19 AM  
Rahm is an asshole.

I have nothing else.

/Chicago resident
//democrat
 
2014-08-05 10:52:33 AM  

elvisaintdead: Rev.K: I'd like to read that story, but apparently "premium content" is only available to residents of the United States.

F*cking racist assholes.

The US is a race now?  Assholes, I'll give you.  F*ckers? Sure.
But its own race?


Sure.  "Homo Sapiens Lardassii"
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-05 10:54:27 AM  
Wow, that's a long article. I skimmed it so you don't have to.

TL;DR version:

They tweaked the settings to catch more right on red violations and ended up ticketing legal right on red.

Longer version:

Red light cameras don't detect if you stop. They guess if you're going to run the light based on how fast you approach it. They confirm with a pair of pictures showing you before the intersection with the light red and then in the intersection with the light red. If you did stop they can toss the ticket because the second photo shows you not in the intersection.

This rule is correct for straight through violations, but the real money is in right on red violations. The rule is wrong for right on red. You will, by definition, enter the intersection while the light is red.

They tried to teach computers to distinguish legal right on red from "rolling" right on red. They failed, and the alleged human review didn't happen or didn't work. Most of the right on red tickets were for legal turns.
 
2014-08-05 10:55:15 AM  
So like every other red light camera system ever installed?
 
2014-08-05 11:00:02 AM  
Is it me, or did we used to have an attitude in this country where if you commited a minor crime and
got away with it good for you

Now it seems like some want every infraction, no matter how minor to be punished.

I understand, that from the government's point of view, its about money, how to rake in
more and spend it.

But why is anyone in the private citizenry alright with this? Excepting those making the money off of these.

/Rant off
//My lawn, remove yourself from it, posthaste.
 
2014-08-05 11:00:44 AM  
Redflex? It's Redflex, isn't it? Those people are so farking slimy, it isn't even funny.
 
2014-08-05 11:02:04 AM  
I have been saying in EVERY Chicago thread that the main priority in law enforcement here is tickets. When the cops ignore the guy yelling "rocks, blows, park" 100 yards away to hunt down the guy who dropped a cigarette butt just to write him a $100 littering ticket, we have a huge problem.
Have a high murder rate= Feds will send money
Bogus tickets= People have to pay
Inviting over 3000 illegal children= Feds will send money
06-14 to 01-16 $140 city sticker
Don't let me get on our towing scams
 
2014-08-05 11:02:33 AM  
Sheeeeet, I was getting bullshiat tickets from Chicago cops long before those cameras even existed.
 
2014-08-05 11:03:36 AM  

GoldSpider: An issue like red-light cameras, that truly passes the BSAB test, is about as rare as a black astronaut.


Because Democrats have done so much in the last ten years. Remember when Obama closed Gitmo and everyone got a trial? When the NSA was only authorized to spy on turrists with a non-rubber-stamped warrant? I hear that Snowden kid is running for the Hawaiian Senate seat. Remember when Occupy took down the 1% and took money out of US politics forever? When fair, equal pay and justified termination made its way to everyone? When all the airport security was streamlined, safe and not theater for cowards? When we all got flowers and chocolates from the afghans and iraqis?
 
2014-08-05 11:05:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Consistency and fairness are crucial to traffic enforcement because the goal is to make streets safer by changing driver behavior

This is an "expert" speaking?  What are they experts at, doublethink?

Traffic enforcement is for taxing drivers via ticket revenue.  Period.  End of story.


As a LEO, I have to disagree with you. Many of the drivers I ticket for driving too fast, or running red lights, have other issues, like no insurance, drugs, an expired or revoked license, and warrants. These are my favorite type of people to pull over. It's not about revenue, but keeping our streets safe. Traffic cops really are the unsung warriors, and its a thankless job. And its dangerous and stressful. If you don't like it, obey the law, or ride the bus.
 
2014-08-05 11:08:47 AM  
FTFA:

The experts said the deviations identified by the Tribune are not supposed to happen in an automated enforcement system and should have set off warning flares from City Hall to the Phoenix headquarters of the city's longtime camera vendor, Redflex Traffic Systems Inc.

Knew it...

These farkers are pieces of shiat, and it's not in the city's interests to fix these problems. They shorten yellow light times to ridiculous levels, and bust people who had physically entered the intersection BEFORE the red. Also, for every camera, there is a quota of tickets, or the city pays extra to make up the difference.
 
2014-08-05 11:09:00 AM  

xanadian: Sure.  "Homo Sapiens Lardassii"


If you were promised, as a nation, that wanking furiously a hour a day would trim the fat, you'd be angry too.
 
2014-08-05 11:09:52 AM  

TheLopper: Sheeeeet, I was getting bullshiat tickets from Chicago cops long before those cameras even existed.


They tried to give me a $500 dumping ticket because some asshat put a tire next to my garbage can till I took pictures of my property.
 
2014-08-05 11:11:44 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Don't let me get on our towing scams


LINCOLN PARK PIRATES
 
2014-08-05 11:11:57 AM  

Mark Ratner: If you don't like it, obey the law, or ride the bus.


or just be aware and slow down when the 5-0 is around
 
2014-08-05 11:12:09 AM  

TheLopper: Sheeeeet, I was getting bullshiat tickets from Chicago cops long before those cameras even existed.


Know who else got tickets in Chicago?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-08-05 11:12:12 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Traffic enforcement is for taxing drivers via ticket revenue.  Period.  End of story.


That's ridiculous. It would be perhaps the least efficient possible way of raising revenue anyway - if that's all it were about, we could do away with traffic tickets and add $10 a year to the cost of your tabs. Make more revenue with less administrative overhead and less political pushback. Your theory is stupid, and wilts under even the most casual examination.

As for the matter of enforcement by camera, I agree with this guy:

www.startrek.com
 
2014-08-05 11:12:43 AM  
If I can't put my accuser on the witness stand in court, the ticket is unconstitutional
 
2014-08-05 11:14:38 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Consistency and fairness are crucial to traffic enforcement because the goal is to make streets safer by changing driver behavior

This is an "expert" speaking?  What are they experts at, doublethink?

Traffic enforcement is for taxing drivers via ticket revenue.  Period.  End of story.


No, traffic enforcement is to enforce the laws. Consistency IS the key, and these are only consistent in that they consistently fark people over.
 
2014-08-05 11:15:43 AM  

Mark Ratner: As a LEO, I have to disagree with you. Many of the drivers I ticket for driving too fast, or running red lights, have other issues, like no insurance, drugs, an expired or revoked license, and warrants. These are my favorite type of people to pull over. It's not about revenue, but keeping our streets safe. Traffic cops really are the unsung warriors, and its a thankless job. And its dangerous and stressful. If you don't like it, obey the law, or ride the bus


You must be one of the very lucky few LEOs that doesn't have a monthly ticket quota.
 
2014-08-05 11:21:24 AM  
"corruption"

Never blame on conspiracy what is easily explained by incompetence
 
2014-08-05 11:21:44 AM  
Do the cameras shoot license plates to maim?
 
2014-08-05 11:23:24 AM  

Mark Ratner: Marcus Aurelius: Consistency and fairness are crucial to traffic enforcement because the goal is to make streets safer by changing driver behavior

This is an "expert" speaking?  What are they experts at, doublethink?

Traffic enforcement is for taxing drivers via ticket revenue.  Period.  End of story.

As a LEO, I have to disagree with you. Many of the drivers I ticket for driving too fast, or running red lights, have other issues, like no insurance, drugs, an expired or revoked license, and warrants. These are my favorite type of people to pull over. It's not about revenue, but keeping our streets safe. Traffic cops really are the unsung warriors, and its a thankless job. And its dangerous and stressful. If you don't like it, obey the law, or ride the bus.


The problem here is that the higher ups are making officers write tickets. As elections get closer the worst it becomes.
 
2014-08-05 11:25:13 AM  
I'm looking forward to moving to Chicago next year, as I drive the speed limit and don't run stop lights, so stupid people will keep my taxes low.
 
2014-08-05 11:26:31 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mark Ratner: As a LEO, I have to disagree with you. Many of the drivers I ticket for driving too fast, or running red lights, have other issues, like no insurance, drugs, an expired or revoked license, and warrants. These are my favorite type of people to pull over. It's not about revenue, but keeping our streets safe. Traffic cops really are the unsung warriors, and its a thankless job. And its dangerous and stressful. If you don't like it, obey the law, or ride the bus

You must be one of the very lucky few LEOs that doesn't have a monthly ticket quota.


Quota? Heck, he can probably write as many as he wants!
 
2014-08-05 11:31:33 AM  

Lost Thought 00: If I can't put my accuser on the witness stand in court, the ticket is unconstitutional


No. A traffic ticket is a civil, not criminal, sanction. It does not carry with it the risk of loss of liberty, so the due process required of the state is considerably less than in a criminal matter. You do not have the right to appointed counsel, you do not have the right to confront your accuser, and you do not have the right to put the state to its proof beyond a reasonable doubt (the standard is usually a mere preponderance of the evidence).

That's the existing legal framework, anyway. As a matter of personal philosophy, I agree with you.
 
2014-08-05 11:33:11 AM  

GoldSpider: An issue like red-light cameras, that truly passes the BSAB test, is about as rare as a black astronaut.


Did you hear NASA finally recovered a piece of the black astronaut from the space shuttle disaster?

Unfortunately, it turned out to be a radiator hose from a '61 Chevy.

/thanks Blanche Knott
//might as well thank Obama too
 
2014-08-05 11:37:27 AM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2014-08-05 11:38:17 AM  

Wellon Dowd: DC's red light cameras aren't even in DC.


I wonder what would happen if someone were to simply take the camera down.  Could anything be done?  The camera doesn't belong to Maryland and so they have zero interest.  DC police have zero jurisdiction.

Better yet:  Start fining the camera company 10,000 a day.   Wait 30 days to send the notice and tell them they have 3 days to pay or the fine triples.
 
2014-08-05 11:39:52 AM  

BMulligan: Lost Thought 00: If I can't put my accuser on the witness stand in court, the ticket is unconstitutional

No. A traffic ticket is a civil, not criminal, sanction. It does not carry with it the risk of loss of liberty, so the due process required of the state is considerably less than in a criminal matter. You do not have the right to appointed counsel, you do not have the right to confront your accuser, and you do not have the right to put the state to its proof beyond a reasonable doubt (the standard is usually a mere preponderance of the evidence).

That's the existing legal framework, anyway. As a matter of personal philosophy, I agree with you.


But if money is speech then any fine amounts to loss of liberty.
 
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