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(Ars Technica)   The one line in Aliens that everyone has misunderstood for decades. Game over, man   (arstechnica.com ) divider line
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2014-08-04 07:33:31 PM  
I am an Alien fanboy, but this article was a steaming pile of excrement masquerading as "deep analysis of the 'hidden symbolism' " in the movies.
 
2014-08-04 07:38:15 PM  
Who, other than the author, was confused by that line?  Did anyone (again, other than the author, who apparently has a surprising lack of understanding of language for someone who writes for a living) think that "xenomorphs" was the name of the species?

I'm also not sure why there's confusion over the term "bug hunt" either.  "Stand up fight or bug hunt" ... either you're going to be facing down whatever creature you're here after "mano a mano" or you're going to have to go searching for it in every dark crevice, like you're looking for cockroaches.  At least, that's the way I took it.
 
2014-08-04 07:43:36 PM  
Them's a lot of words to explain one throw away line.
 
2014-08-04 07:54:19 PM  
Why not, y'know, ASK Bill Paxton or the writer or director of the film what that meant ?
 
2014-08-04 08:01:27 PM  
There was a whole lot of wanking in that article, and this is from the guy that can name every Marine in the movie from memory.
 
2014-08-04 08:06:55 PM  
Gay mover, man. Gay mover.
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2014-08-04 08:10:31 PM  
A better question is Ripley's outburst in the board room. "If just ONE OF THOSE THINGS gets down here you can kiss all this goodbye!" This alludes to the deleted scenes in "Alien" where she finds Brett and Dallas cocooned by the alien. Implying that a single drone could infect the entire planet easily.

BUT

Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.

How do we reconcile that?
 
2014-08-04 08:12:22 PM  
The only way you could think what this author thought is if you didn't know what the word "xenomorph" meant when you saw the film.

I can't wait for this author's stunning follow-up on the word "extraterrestrial" in the movie "E.T.".
 
2014-08-04 08:18:23 PM  
I do not recall having misunderstood that line ever.
 
2014-08-04 08:19:32 PM  

syrynxx: The only way you could think what this author thought is if you didn't know what the word "xenomorph" meant when you saw the film.

I can't wait for this author's stunning follow-up on the word "extraterrestrial" in the movie "E.T.".


Well, "extra" means "more" and "terra" means "terror" (duh) and we all know what "trial" means. So the movie was clearly about the Guantanamo Bay military tribunals.
 
2014-08-04 08:22:04 PM  

fusillade762: Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs


Same thing they did with the Borg. They were perfectly fine villains, why do you need to add royalty?
 
2014-08-04 08:23:49 PM  
WTF did I just read?
 
2014-08-04 08:24:11 PM  

fusillade762: Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.


However, now that I think about it, the original alien's physiology seems ill-equipped to lay one of those big-ass eggs anyway, unless they had a pregnancy cycle we never heard about. Ok, I'm ok with the queen now. The Borg queen is still unforgivable though.
 
2014-08-04 08:27:45 PM  

timujin: Who, other than the author, was confused by that line?  Did anyone (again, other than the author, who apparently has a surprising lack of understanding of language for someone who writes for a living) think that "xenomorphs" was the name of the species?

I'm also not sure why there's confusion over the term "bug hunt" either.  "Stand up fight or bug hunt" ... either you're going to be facing down whatever creature you're here after "mano a mano" or you're going to have to go searching for it in every dark crevice, like you're looking for cockroaches.  At least, that's the way I took it.


It's been apparent for years that plenty of people misunderstood the line.  Here's a quote from the Alien vs Predator movie: "To the hunters, the Xenomorphs truly are the galaxy's most dangerous game."
 
2014-08-04 08:32:40 PM  
Is this guy hard of thinking or low functioning autistic or what?
 
2014-08-04 08:32:41 PM  

WI241TH: timujin: Who, other than the author, was confused by that line?  Did anyone (again, other than the author, who apparently has a surprising lack of understanding of language for someone who writes for a living) think that "xenomorphs" was the name of the species?

I'm also not sure why there's confusion over the term "bug hunt" either.  "Stand up fight or bug hunt" ... either you're going to be facing down whatever creature you're here after "mano a mano" or you're going to have to go searching for it in every dark crevice, like you're looking for cockroaches.  At least, that's the way I took it.

It's been apparent for years that plenty of people misunderstood the line.  Here's a quote from the Alien vs Predator movie: "To the hunters, the Xenomorphs truly are the galaxy's most dangerous game."


Your problem there is the capitalization, you're making it a name instead of a designation.  Xenomorph is just a fancy way of saying "alien". The line could have just as easily been "to the hunters, the aliens truly are the most dangerous game", but that wouldn't make the name of the species "aliens".
 
2014-08-04 08:34:55 PM  
I predict "the Last Samurai" is really going to bake his noodle.
 
2014-08-04 08:58:29 PM  

timujin: Your problem there is the capitalization, you're making it a name instead of a designation.  Xenomorph is just a fancy way of saying "alien". The line could have just as easily been "to the hunters, the aliens truly are the most dangerous game", but that wouldn't make the name of the species "aliens".


In the context of the film it's apparent that it's intended to be the name of that species of alien. The hunters the line is referring to are the Predators(Yautja) which are also aliens. We know Yautja hunt a variety of alien species but they view Xenomorphs as "the most dangerous game." As they are the only other species of alien in the film, it's obvious Xenomorph is the name they've given Ripley's alien.
 
2014-08-04 08:58:57 PM  
That author seemed.. kind of stupid.  I haven't checked the thread.  Anyone else think he seemed a bit stupid?

What Gorman is saying isn't "There's a specific type of creature called 'Xenomorphs' down there!" Instead, he's saying "there are non-human lifeforms down there."

I mean, yeah.  We know.  Almost everyone knows.  People who don't know what 'xenomorph' basically means largely know.
 
2014-08-04 09:05:58 PM  
My ex had a bug up her ass most of the time.
This is all starting to make sense.
 
2014-08-04 09:21:05 PM  

Barnacles!: I am an Alien fanboy, but this article was a steaming pile of excrement masquerading as "deep analysis of the 'hidden symbolism' " in the movies.


No, it was 4 pages worth of crap to get from "the word is xenomorph" to "xenomorph is a common noun, not a proper noun, stop using it that way dumbasses".  It always grinds my gears when people call them Xenomorphs as if it were their proper noun...
 
2014-08-04 09:22:26 PM  

WI241TH: timujin: Your problem there is the capitalization, you're making it a name instead of a designation.  Xenomorph is just a fancy way of saying "alien". The line could have just as easily been "to the hunters, the aliens truly are the most dangerous game", but that wouldn't make the name of the species "aliens".

In the context of the film it's apparent that it's intended to be the name of that species of alien. The hunters the line is referring to are the Predators(Yautja) which are also aliens. We know Yautja hunt a variety of alien species but they view Xenomorphs as "the most dangerous game." As they are the only other species of alien in the film, it's obvious Xenomorph is the name they've given Ripley's alien.


... which would mean that the writers for that movie were just as dumb as the people who refer to them as Xenomorphs proper noun.
 
2014-08-04 09:29:09 PM  

Relatively Obscure: That author seemed.. kind of stupid.


I heard he's retarded or something ...

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2014-08-04 09:37:17 PM  

ekdikeo4: ... which would mean that the writers for that movie were just as dumb as the people who refer to them as Xenomorphs proper noun.


Right. The idea being that the article isn't pointless but the execution is rather awful
 
2014-08-04 10:09:48 PM  
WELL WHY DON'T YOU PUT SUBBY IN CHARGE??!!!!!??!!
 
2014-08-04 10:14:07 PM  
The only good thing about the article was that it made me think about the Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual, and I discovered that it was reprinted in 2012 so you can get a new copy for under 20 bucks.
 
2014-08-04 10:17:44 PM  
No, just no. Stop. No one has ever been confused by that.
 
2014-08-04 10:18:00 PM  
Wierzbowski !
 
2014-08-04 10:22:15 PM  

fusillade762: A better question is Ripley's outburst in the board room. "If just ONE OF THOSE THINGS gets down here you can kiss all this goodbye!" This alludes to the deleted scenes in "Alien" where she finds Brett and Dallas cocooned by the alien. Implying that a single drone could infect the entire planet easily.

BUT

Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.

How do we reconcile that?


Maybe the drones like the one in Alien just capture prey and cocoon it for the queen, even if there is no queen to lay eggs.  So instead you get injured people just waiting to die, like in the deleted scene.  Ripley didn't know this, so she was rightfully freaked out.
 
2014-08-04 10:23:20 PM  

Confabulat: fusillade762: Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.

However, now that I think about it, the original alien's physiology seems ill-equipped to lay one of those big-ass eggs anyway, unless they had a pregnancy cycle we never heard about. Ok, I'm ok with the queen now. The Borg queen is still unforgivable though.


They don't lay eggs. They cocoon victims. Think very nasty wasps.
 
2014-08-04 10:24:36 PM  

bearded clamorer: My ex had a bug up her ass most of the time.
This is all starting to make sense.


Nuke her from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2014-08-04 10:24:53 PM  
I just wanna know what magazine is worth cramming down ripleys throat.  Really, a magazine?
 
2014-08-04 10:27:35 PM  
Look into my eye

Why did he want people to look into his eye?

Also, why did Bishop miss?

As for the queen - I find it more plausible than the "cocooning people turns them into eggs" idea.
 
2014-08-04 10:28:44 PM  
This is the state for too much of the Internet these days. Write a bunch of shiat, get clicks.
 
2014-08-04 10:34:40 PM  

fusillade762: A better question is Ripley's outburst in the board room. "If just ONE OF THOSE THINGS gets down here you can kiss all this goodbye!" This alludes to the deleted scenes in "Alien" where she finds Brett and Dallas cocooned by the alien. Implying that a single drone could infect the entire planet easily.

BUT

Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.

How do we reconcile that?


It has been suggested that in the absence of a full colony, a solo alien might be able to transform itself into a queen. I think that with some species of real insects, a new queen can come out of the population when she dies (as opposed to the species where a new queen has to be raised as such), but I couldn't swear to it...
 
2014-08-04 10:36:23 PM  

timujin: Who, other than the author, was confused by that line?  Did anyone (again, other than the author, who apparently has a surprising lack of understanding of language for someone who writes for a living) think that "xenomorphs" was the name of the species?

I'm also not sure why there's confusion over the term "bug hunt" either.  "Stand up fight or bug hunt" ... either you're going to be facing down whatever creature you're here after "mano a mano" or you're going to have to go searching for it in every dark crevice, like you're looking for cockroaches.  At least, that's the way I took it.


I don't think alien creatures are all that common from the skeptical attitude of the Marines, so it's always seemed to me that the terms were slightly different than your interpretation:

A stand up fight is where a colony goes dark because it rebels against the company or it has a leader who goes Kurtz, so they have to pacify it. There's trouble, but it is always of a human nature.

A bug hunt on the other hand seemed more like a wild goose chase for some alien monster that never materializes when a colony hears something go bump in the night or has a communications equipment failure. It's basically a sci-fi version of a snipe hunt.
 
2014-08-04 10:36:29 PM  
Look, it's clear xenomorph wasn't a proper noun at the time. But the things don't have a proper name. The language has eventually changed so that when you say xenomorph, most people are going to think of these particular monsters.

Sort of like the xerox machine and copiers, and kleenex and tissues - both were just brands of their respective products, but people used them together and interchangably so often they become synonymous.
 
2014-08-04 10:38:44 PM  
imagizer.imageshack.us

/Seriously, what kind of idiot was confused??
 
2014-08-04 10:50:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: A bug hunt on the other hand seemed more like a wild goose chase


For a marine, it is basically just that, because they don't care about the science, it may as well be a wild goose chase(and in looking for alien life, I'm sure that is that status normal, finding nothing).

For a biologist, and the brass, it would be fairly literal, hunting down other forms of life.  In all reality, we do it all the time, school kids do it as an activity, real scientists got deep into some jungle, looking for strange new life.
 
2014-08-04 10:54:38 PM  

Rhaab: It has been suggested that in the absence of a full colony, a solo alien might be able to transform itself into a queen. I think that with some species of real insects, a new queen can come out of the population when she dies (as opposed to the species where a new queen has to be raised as such), but I couldn't swear to it...


That was the idea in some of the comics but I think it was officially declared "stupid and a load of bullshiat seriously this is terrible".
 
2014-08-04 10:55:20 PM  
How do I get paid to write drivel like this? Let me try:

The restaurant scene in "When Harry Met Sally" was not just for comedic relief, but was a statement on gender roles of the time. You may look at the scene and think, "Damn! That was pretty hot!", but those mysogonist attitudes are what were really being made fun of.
 
2014-08-04 10:58:37 PM  
tl;dr
 
2014-08-04 11:04:44 PM  
I've never known there to be any confusion about that word - it's used in the generic, 'xenomorph', from the Greek - the guy wasn't saying that these creatures were shape-shifters from the planet Xeno, fer Chris'sake.
 
2014-08-04 11:08:46 PM  
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2014-08-04 11:10:59 PM  

fusillade762: A better question is Ripley's outburst in the board room. "If just ONE OF THOSE THINGS gets down here you can kiss all this goodbye!" This alludes to the deleted scenes in "Alien" where she finds Brett and Dallas cocooned by the alien. Implying that a single drone could infect the entire planet easily.

BUT

Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.

How do we reconcile that?


Isn't she simply referring to the fact that one unstoppable alien destroyed her ship and crew? Unless I missed something that board room meeting is taking place on a space station orbiting Earth, so Ripley may be referring to the likelihood that an alien on board the station would be just as devasting as it was to the Nostromo.
 
2014-08-04 11:14:24 PM  
I'm not sure if anything in the real world does this, but what if a single drone were capable of laying just one queen egg, at great effort and probably killing itself? It would seem weird for a species to have gotten that complex with some sort of Plan B if the hive went down.
 
2014-08-04 11:14:52 PM  
If nothing else the article gave me a craving to watch the extended version DVD.
 
2014-08-04 11:17:39 PM  

Erix: fusillade762: A better question is Ripley's outburst in the board room. "If just ONE OF THOSE THINGS gets down here you can kiss all this goodbye!" This alludes to the deleted scenes in "Alien" where she finds Brett and Dallas cocooned by the alien. Implying that a single drone could infect the entire planet easily.

BUT

Then they go and change the alien's life cycle by requiring a queen to lay eggs.

How do we reconcile that?

Maybe the drones like the one in Alien just capture prey and cocoon it for the queen, even if there is no queen to lay eggs.  So instead you get injured people just waiting to die, like in the deleted scene.  Ripley didn't know this, so she was rightfully freaked out.


Yep, I read that same idea in the novelization of the movie, implied that the drones instinctively/are programmed to cocoon vicims for a queen. Yes, I was really really bored at the time. Wasn't bad for a novelization.
 
2014-08-04 11:22:33 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF did I just read?


No clue, but it you figure it out please let me know.

And for the record I have never misunderstood that line and I don't know anyone who has.
 
2014-08-04 11:22:43 PM  

Gleeman: Yep, I read that same idea in the novelization of the movie, implied that the drones instinctively/are programmed to cocoon vicims for a queen. Yes, I was really really bored at the time. Wasn't bad for a novelization.


I read the Alan Dean Foster novel years before I ever even saw a glimpse of the movie other than the infamous trailer (which showed nothing). To this day I have a recollection of Alien that looks exactly NOTHING like the actual film. Sort of weird, really. You really can't do that with the internet these days.
 
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