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2014-08-04 05:01:57 PM  
I'd be interested to know NPR's side.  Impossible to gauge who might be in the wrong just based on TFA.

I had a 6 month consulting gig at Gallaudet U.  I even lived on campus at their conference center.  It was a very enlightening experience to be immersed in the deaf community and it made me appreciate what it must be like for the hearing challenged to operate in the hearing world.  Especially since I can't sign (though I learned some things real quick since there wasn't always an interpreter available).

It's a much more diverse community than I had expected, with some surprising intolerances between subcommunities.  Kids born deaf to deaf parents might not like kids with cochlear implants, for example.  Then there's the Bell vs. Gallaudet thing (there was a "Bell Society" on campus).

My first day I was shocked to hear music blaring from the dorms.
 
2014-08-04 05:14:06 PM  

i253.photobucket.com

 
2014-08-04 05:28:16 PM  
What?
 
2014-08-04 06:14:25 PM  
What? For no pay?  Sucks to be an intern!

/dnrtfa
 
2014-08-04 06:57:04 PM  
You know, as a deaf person maybe radio isn't the field for you.

a project to provide captioned radio to deaf people

Captioned radio? So, like a book?
 
2014-08-04 07:13:04 PM  

fusillade762: You know, as a deaf person maybe radio isn't the field for you.

a project to provide captioned radio to deaf people

Captioned radio? So, like a book?


Next they should translate the captions to braille so blind people can listen to it.
 
2014-08-04 07:16:11 PM  

nytmare: fusillade762: You know, as a deaf person maybe radio isn't the field for you.

a project to provide captioned radio to deaf people

Captioned radio? So, like a book?

Next they should translate the captions to braille so blind people can listen to it.


Ok, Dr Pepper out my nose from that
 
2014-08-04 07:16:45 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Where their fight song is, "Shout!"
 
2014-08-04 07:16:51 PM  
According to court documents, Nugent is deaf and does not speak, and she uses ASL as her primary means of communication

What a whore, using her age sex and location to communicate..
 
2014-08-04 07:18:19 PM  

nytmare: fusillade762: You know, as a deaf person maybe radio isn't the field for you.

a project to provide captioned radio to deaf people

Captioned radio? So, like a book?

Next they should translate the captions to braille so blind people can listen to it.


She's a wizard on the pinball machine in the break room.
 
2014-08-04 07:18:30 PM  
"and wasn't given the means to communicate with the staff and supervisors."

It's called a pen and a notepad
 
2014-08-04 07:19:33 PM  
xandaian  RTFA  it was a PAYED intern for 10 weeks !
 
2014-08-04 07:19:51 PM  
Here NPR, this isn't American Sign Language.  It's Universal Sign Language:

cdn2.modernman.com

And it's what you deserve.
 
2014-08-04 07:20:41 PM  
Ahh, NPR.  The bastion of conservative corporate Neanderthals dong their best to discriminate against anybody and everybody.
 
2014-08-04 07:21:37 PM  
"Welcome to Wait, Wait bustle false sandwich!"

freebeacon.com
 
2014-08-04 07:21:42 PM  
Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.
 
2014-08-04 07:22:49 PM  
You mean an intern does the shiat work, is asked to provide some teaching the staff of sign language so they can communicate with her, starts complaining about everything 2 weeks in, and is let go.  You're an intern.  You are one step below janitor.  Safe to say she has no future in that field anymore.  Good job.
 
2014-08-04 07:22:52 PM  
Wow, what a surprise!  A summer intern didn't get to do what (s)he wanted to to do.  Huh, I can't imagine that has ever happened to any other intern in the history of the world.  It is possible that she is the first ever.

NPR probably didn't let her do exactly what she wanted because she was deaf.

Sucks to be deaf.
Sucks harder to be an intern.  Get over yourself, you freaking little baby.
 
2014-08-04 07:24:03 PM  

Bronzemom: xandaian  RTFA  it was a PAYED intern for 10 weeks !


So she was letting out rope?
 
2014-08-04 07:25:07 PM  

jjorsett: Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.


It was pretty cruel to stick her into a room with no computer, no e-mail, no paper or pens.
For fark's sake, at least half my communication with co-workers is by e-mail and reports.
 
2014-08-04 07:27:41 PM  

Diogenes: It's a much more diverse community than I had expected, with some surprising intolerances between subcommunities. Kids born deaf to deaf parents might not like kids with cochlear implants, for example. Then there's the Bell vs. Gallaudet thing (there was a "Bell Society" on campus).


I have a friend with a cochlear implant. She once told me that there is a certain subgroup among the deaf community for whom cochlear implants are a threat to deaf culture and would actively shun people who opt for implants.
 
2014-08-04 07:29:59 PM  
cdn2.cagepotato.com
 
2014-08-04 07:30:13 PM  
She was "hired" for a temp gig.
She complained, probably from the start, about having to do stuff-including teaching people to communicate with her.
They told her she didn't need to finish the internship.

She can sue because she didn't finish the 8 other weeks?
 
2014-08-04 07:30:18 PM  
She's not just deaf. She's also quite dumb.
 
2014-08-04 07:31:48 PM  
The suit also claims that Nugent was assigned to teach sign-language classes to her colleagues though she had expected to learn about marketing.

You expected one thing, you got something else.

Welcome to marketing.
 
2014-08-04 07:32:07 PM  

jjorsett: Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.


A thing with BSL is that it's not "English with hands", it's a completely different language with completely different structure. BSL signers who are born profoundly deaf often have a hard time writing in english, I assume ASL has similar issues. Of course then there is then the issue of whether someone who doesn't understand English can reasonably be accommodated.
 
2014-08-04 07:32:38 PM  
I interned at Kramerica Industries. I still just the skills learned there everyday.
 
2014-08-04 07:32:54 PM  

xanadian: What? For no pay?  Sucks to be an intern!

/dnrtfa


If you HAD RTFA, you would know that it was indeed a paid internship.
 
2014-08-04 07:34:03 PM  
*Use the skills
 
2014-08-04 07:35:17 PM  
Yep. I learned a while back that a large chunk of the deaf community are absolute jerks with gigantic chips on their shoulder. They consider themselves a "race" and capitalize "Deaf" to indicate so. They are actually prejudiced against hearing people, or "hearies" as they call us (I wish I was making this up. I'm not.)

Now I just assume that all deaf people are dicks. It seems to work out for me.

/Nobody's 100% a dick, of course.
 
2014-08-04 07:35:30 PM  

RexTalionis: Diogenes: It's a much more diverse community than I had expected, with some surprising intolerances between subcommunities. Kids born deaf to deaf parents might not like kids with cochlear implants, for example. Then there's the Bell vs. Gallaudet thing (there was a "Bell Society" on campus).

I have a friend with a cochlear implant. She once told me that there is a certain subgroup among the deaf community for whom cochlear implants are a threat to deaf culture and would actively shun people who opt for implants.


Yup. My parents were in the industry (audiology & hearing aids) their entire careers and always mentioned similar stories.

There's a huge percentage of the deaf community who are assholes like that. I've heard stories of CODAs (child of deaf adults) being shunned by their parents too. Terrible.
 
2014-08-04 07:35:41 PM  
Must've had a quiet day.
 
2014-08-04 07:35:52 PM  

Prey4reign: Here NPR, this isn't American Sign Language.  It's Universal Sign Language:

[cdn2.modernman.com image 510x300]

And it's what you deserve.


Aw, how cute. Because NPR supposedly did not give her "the means to communicate with the staff and supervisors" even they gave her plenty of access to pen and paper.
 
2014-08-04 07:37:26 PM  

texastag: *Use the skills


Bless your heart, it shows.
 
2014-08-04 07:37:52 PM  

Target Builder: jjorsett: Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.

A thing with BSL is that it's not "English with hands", it's a completely different language with completely different structure. BSL signers who are born profoundly deaf often have a hard time writing in english, I assume ASL has similar issues. Of course then there is then the issue of whether someone who doesn't understand English can reasonably be accommodated.


I call BS.  In this day and age, the Internet is probably a Godsend for deaf people.  TBH, I've seen kids standing right next to each other, texting instead of talking.  WTF is this woman's problem?

Sounds like a drama queen.  I'm just going to lump her into the same category as the 600 lb people who think employers need to build barn doors to get them into the building.

Here is your assistive-technology device:  A Smartphone.  These have text to speech and speech recognition.  You're deaf.  Learn to cope with the rest of the world.

How in the seven Hells does she expect to function in society if she can't learn to communicate without relying on BSL?
 
2014-08-04 07:38:28 PM  
Until someone can tell you a detailed but absolutely filthy joke, from another car, in a traffic jam, by your just looking in the rear view mirror -- you won't truly appreciate the power of sign language -- and that's without any of the "spelling" stuff and without any of the common school yard gestures.
 
2014-08-04 07:41:41 PM  

BitwiseShift: Until someone can tell you a detailed but absolutely filthy joke, from another car, in a traffic jam, by your just looking in the rear view mirror -- you won't truly appreciate the power of sign language -- and that's without any of the "spelling" stuff and without any of the common school yard gestures.


That's the problem with deaf assholes in traffic jams.  They aren't paying attention, and the horn does nothing.
 
2014-08-04 07:42:44 PM  

TOSViolation: Target Builder: jjorsett: Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.

A thing with BSL is that it's not "English with hands", it's a completely different language with completely different structure. BSL signers who are born profoundly deaf often have a hard time writing in english, I assume ASL has similar issues. Of course then there is then the issue of whether someone who doesn't understand English can reasonably be accommodated.

I call BS.  In this day and age, the Internet is probably a Godsend for deaf people.  TBH, I've seen kids standing right next to each other, texting instead of talking.  WTF is this woman's problem?

Sounds like a drama queen.  I'm just going to lump her into the same category as the 600 lb people who think employers need to build barn doors to get them into the building.

Here is your assistive-technology device:  A Smartphone.  These have text to speech and speech recognition.  You're deaf.  Learn to cope with the rest of the world.

How in the seven Hells does she expect to function in society if she can't learn to communicate without relying on BSL?


She doesn't. She expects society to learn to function on her level and meet her needs.
 
2014-08-04 07:45:49 PM  

WilderKWight: TOSViolation: Target Builder: jjorsett: Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.

A thing with BSL is that it's not "English with hands", it's a completely different language with completely different structure. BSL signers who are born profoundly deaf often have a hard time writing in english, I assume ASL has similar issues. Of course then there is then the issue of whether someone who doesn't understand English can reasonably be accommodated.

I call BS.  In this day and age, the Internet is probably a Godsend for deaf people.  TBH, I've seen kids standing right next to each other, texting instead of talking.  WTF is this woman's problem?

Sounds like a drama queen.  I'm just going to lump her into the same category as the 600 lb people who think employers need to build barn doors to get them into the building.

Here is your assistive-technology device:  A Smartphone.  These have text to speech and speech recognition.  You're deaf.  Learn to cope with the rest of the world.

How in the seven Hells does she expect to function in society if she can't learn to communicate without relying on BSL?

She doesn't. She expects society to learn to function on her level and meet her needs.


I bet she's allergic to peanuts too.

At least she even admits that she's dumb.
 
2014-08-04 07:47:07 PM  

WilderKWight: Yep. I learned a while back that a large chunk of the deaf community are absolute jerks with gigantic chips on their shoulder. They consider themselves a "race" and capitalize "Deaf" to indicate so. They are actually prejudiced against hearing people, or "hearies" as they call us (I wish I was making this up. I'm not.)

Now I just assume that all deaf people are dicks. It seems to work out for me.

/Nobody's 100% a dick, of course.


I agree. I grew up with a friend who had 2 deaf parents and he says the exact same thing. The want to distance themselves from the hearing world and that same hearing world is supposed to cater to them. I guess I will have to form an amputee group who shuns those with prosthetics.
 
2014-08-04 07:47:28 PM  
I bet Amelia Keller will be rolling in her attic when she hears about this outrage, Oh, wait.
 
2014-08-04 07:47:33 PM  
ASL and Signed English are two totally different things. ASL was actually derived from French sign language. And some its "speakers" are insanely protective of their culture.
 
2014-08-04 07:49:11 PM  
She had no way to communicate with her fellow workers?  My entire staff could be deaf and I'd hardly know it, we mostly communicate over email.

/wish a couple of them were mute...
 
2014-08-04 07:49:51 PM  

ChubbyTiger: ASL and Signed English are two totally different things. ASL was actually derived from French sign language. And some its "speakers" are insanely protective of their culture.


Yep.  I've even heard of deaf people who persecute those who get cochlear implants as if they're some sort of heretics.
 
2014-08-04 07:50:26 PM  

TOSViolation: Target Builder: jjorsett: Unable to communicate with her colleagues, Nugent felt isolated. Her only option for communicating was through another intern who was deaf but less proficient with ASL, the lawsuit claims.

I think the bigger story here is that NPR is hiring interns who are illiterate.

A thing with BSL is that it's not "English with hands", it's a completely different language with completely different structure. BSL signers who are born profoundly deaf often have a hard time writing in english, I assume ASL has similar issues. Of course then there is then the issue of whether someone who doesn't understand English can reasonably be accommodated.

I call BS.  In this day and age, the Internet is probably a Godsend for deaf people.  TBH, I've seen kids standing right next to each other, texting instead of talking.  WTF is this woman's problem?

Sounds like a drama queen.  I'm just going to lump her into the same category as the 600 lb people who think employers need to build barn doors to get them into the building.

Here is your assistive-technology device:  A Smartphone.  These have text to speech and speech recognition.  You're deaf.  Learn to cope with the rest of the world.

How in the seven Hells does she expect to function in society if she can't learn to communicate without relying on BSL?


There is a team of Deaf guys, in my bowling league, we text back and forth when we bowl them, works really well.  They do use ASL to argue with each other, or call us a bunch of assholes, we haven't quite figured out which.

/They are good guys, the named their team WHAT!
 
2014-08-04 07:51:17 PM  

nytmare: fusillade762: You know, as a deaf person maybe radio isn't the field for you.

a project to provide captioned radio to deaf people

Captioned radio? So, like a book?

Next they should translate the captions to braille so blind people can listen to it.


I think that is a great idea!
i.imgur.com
Thanks, Obama!

i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-04 07:52:53 PM  
Matt Murdock should be her lawyer.
 
2014-08-04 07:54:17 PM  

Parthenogenetic: nytmare: fusillade762: You know, as a deaf person maybe radio isn't the field for you.

a project to provide captioned radio to deaf people

Captioned radio? So, like a book?

Next they should translate the captions to braille so blind people can listen to it.

I think that is a great idea!
[i.imgur.com image 580x99]
Thanks, Obama!

[i.imgur.com image 404x99]


They are improving the text to speech and speech recognition technologies where you car interfaces with your smartphone so you can speak your text messages to them, and they will read aloud the responses to you.  Eventually, the technology will be so good that we will be able to use our cellphones to have conversations with other people almost as though we were actually TALKING TO THEM!

Won't that be grand?
 
2014-08-04 07:57:57 PM  

TOSViolation: I call BS.  In this day and age, the Internet is probably a Godsend for deaf people.  TBH, I've seen kids standing right next to each other, texting instead of talking.  WTF is this woman's problem?


Sign language is not identical to spoken language.  They are two separate beasts. ASL is not English With Hands. For instance, ASL derived significantly from French Sign Language (not entirely, though).  BSL is not.  A deaf American and a deaf Brit are going to have a devil of a time trying to communicate.  On the other hand, a deaf american and a deaf Frenchman will have some "dialect" issues, but can chat away relatively easily. And yet the American and Brit could speak in the written form, and the American and Frenchman totally confused in written form.   A kid texting is communicating in the exact same language they speak with.  Someone using ASL to speak and English to write is using two separate languages - they are bilingual by necessity, not choice.  This is not to say that the ubiquity of text-based communications hasn't made things easier for the deaf*, but it is nowhere near as simple as two American teens type-talking.

* Hell, it has made life easier for me.  I was once trying to get information out of an agitated Japanese student.  His spoken English was effectively non-existent.  But we were able to text each other, since his written English was much better.  Still didn't mean we could talk to each other effectively, though
 
2014-08-04 07:59:24 PM  

joness0154: RexTalionis: Diogenes: It's a much more diverse community than I had expected, with some surprising intolerances between subcommunities. Kids born deaf to deaf parents might not like kids with cochlear implants, for example. Then there's the Bell vs. Gallaudet thing (there was a "Bell Society" on campus).

I have a friend with a cochlear implant. She once told me that there is a certain subgroup among the deaf community for whom cochlear implants are a threat to deaf culture and would actively shun people who opt for implants.

Yup. My parents were in the industry (audiology & hearing aids) their entire careers and always mentioned similar stories.

There's a huge percentage of the deaf community who are assholes like that. I've heard stories of CODAs (child of deaf adults) being shunned by their parents too. Terrible.


Well, idiots gonna idiot. But nature will work it out via sleeping through fire alarms.
 
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