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(Huffington Post)   Rule #1 on hostage negotiation: shoot the hostage. Even if he's gotten away and is running for his life, shoot the hostage because, hey, rule #1   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 146
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2014-08-04 10:47:18 AM  
I don't blame them. Hostages are much easier targets, and less likely to shoot back.
 
2014-08-04 01:21:59 PM  
To be fair, they're cops. We can't expect them to behave like trained professionals.
 
2014-08-04 01:22:01 PM  
All Hispanics look the same even when they are 30 years apart
 
2014-08-04 01:22:08 PM  
Oops!
 
2014-08-04 01:22:35 PM  
Sad, but not surprising.
 
2014-08-04 01:23:22 PM  
Now if they had only had a pet dog....
 
2014-08-04 01:23:44 PM  
The dog will probably miss its master. They should put it out of its misery.
 
2014-08-04 01:23:44 PM  
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2014-08-04 01:24:26 PM  
Sounds like he passed the pop quiz.
 
2014-08-04 01:25:23 PM  
Shoot happens.
 
2014-08-04 01:26:12 PM  
I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.
 
2014-08-04 01:26:44 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Sounds like he passed the pop quiz.


Must be a hotshot.
 
2014-08-04 01:27:34 PM  
Look at the bright side...they didn't shoot ALL the hostages. I still call it a win
 
2014-08-04 01:28:14 PM  
They're not paid to bring ammo HOME.
 
2014-08-04 01:29:57 PM  

iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.


If only the victim were armed, he could have defended himself against the sheriff.  Perhaps we should install a network of public kiosks that quickly vend loaner guns for just these sort of situations.
 
2014-08-04 01:31:13 PM  

iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.


Yes it would have because "don't shot" means nothing.
 
2014-08-04 01:31:28 PM  
Even if it was really the kidnapper and not the hostage, why would the deputy shoot him? The deputy was in cover, the other guy was in the open......he wasn't really much of a threat unless he was ten feet away or something.
 
2014-08-04 01:31:49 PM  
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2014-08-04 01:32:03 PM  
It's about time the entire police force had their guns taken away. They've proven time and time again they're not responsible enough with them.
 
2014-08-04 01:33:26 PM  

iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.


Did you seriously just blame the victim instead of the cop who mistook an unarmed 54 year old hostage for an armed 24 year old criminal?
 
2014-08-04 01:35:35 PM  

iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.


Not really, you can't hear shiat when you're full of adrenaline anyways.  Truth is if you're a hostage, DON'T RUN AT THE COPS.  This has happened before, and while tragic it's also not really a surprise.  You're in a standoff with an armed man and then suddenly some dude runs at you.  You'd go for the kill too.
 
2014-08-04 01:36:27 PM  
Oh, Jesus Christ. When is it too much? When will the "shoot first; ask questions later" attitude become intolerable, coming from the people we entrust with the safety of society? The gang mentality? The open, outright contempt? Apparently, it's perfectly okay, as long as they keep popping us off singularly or in small groups at a time. These are the people who the "Gun Control" fetishists touch their selves whilst envisioning as the sole proprietors of firepower in society. When will they actually come back into some semblance of "control", thereby making their aforementioned devotees not look like complete idiots?
 
2014-08-04 01:37:23 PM  

iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.


Yip. He would have been shot by rhe hostage taker instead.
 
2014-08-04 01:37:40 PM  

whither_apophis: iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.

Yes it would have because "don't shot" means nothing.


That's true, because he would be going against the...
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2014-08-04 01:39:22 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To be fair, they're cops. We can't expect them to behave like trained professionals.


What else do you expect? These are the dumb jocks from highschool who had no other job prospects. It was either cop, contractor, or janitor, and only one of them allows you to continue abusing people.
 
2014-08-04 01:39:51 PM  
It sounds like there would be one less innocent deadI guy if the cops has just stayed home that day. fail to see how society is served by allowing cops to have shootouts in public.
 
2014-08-04 01:39:53 PM  

whither_apophis: Yes it would have because "don't shot" means nothing.


Shot up, you.
 
2014-08-04 01:40:43 PM  
Here is one of my favorite police stories from the best state in the country...

The cops had a co-killer cornered and some fine police work ensued...

"The murderer was found hiding in a wooded area.  As soon as he took a shot at the SWAT team, officers opened fire on him.  They hit the guy 68 times.
 
Naturally, the liberal media went nuts and asked why they had to shoot the poor, undocumented immigrant 68 times.
 
Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel:  "Because that's all the ammunition we had."
The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes. When asked by a reporter how that could be, since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied: . . "When you are shot 68 times you are naturally gonna die."
 
2014-08-04 01:41:32 PM  
Murder was the case that they gave me.
 
2014-08-04 01:42:02 PM  
Lion tamers use a whip and a chair. Why do the police need any thing more?
 
2014-08-04 01:42:53 PM  

physt: iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.

If only the victim were armed, he could have defended himself against the sheriff.  Perhaps we should install a network of public kiosks that quickly vend loaner guns for just these sort of situations.


This made me laugh out loud.
 
2014-08-04 01:42:57 PM  
wondering if this sort of thing sets off a feeding frenzy of lawyers, or is it murky enough for them to say "we might not win this" ?

furthermore, does the parolee now get charged with homicide for causing a death related to his capture, similar to how a robber can be charged if somebody dies during the commission of their crime.

/actually kind of impressed that a deputy could hit a running target in the dark (assuming the 8 hours started at the 5 PM attempt to arrest the parolee), don't they usually wait until they're in the back seat of the cruiser?
 
2014-08-04 01:42:59 PM  

Calmamity: whither_apophis: Yes it would have because "don't shot" means nothing.

Shot up, you.


How do I shot gun?
 
2014-08-04 01:43:53 PM  

Gunther: iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.

Did you seriously just blame the victim instead of the cop who mistook an unarmed 54 year old hostage for an armed 24 year old criminal?


He ran out of a room that a suspect had run into after engaging in a firefight with cops, without insuring he wouldn't be fired upon. In that situation, the cops' mistake is understandable. I'm not saying the cops didn't make a mistake, they did; I'm saying that if the victim had taken 2 seconds to think and talk to the cops, before running, he might still be alive.

/ it's not blaming the victim; unless he is a she, wearing an electrical tape bikini to a frat party and consuming massive quantities of alcohol

// no, the first slashie is not serial
 
2014-08-04 01:44:32 PM  
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2014-08-04 01:45:42 PM  
F***ing idiots.  Identify your target before you shoot.
 
2014-08-04 01:47:21 PM  

RedPhoenix122: F***ing idiots.  Identify your target before you shoot.


This, a thousand times this. It's one of the primary rules of using a gun. BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET.
 
2014-08-04 01:48:29 PM  
Cops panic like the rest of us. Remember they shot up a truck and a couple of women delivering newspapers and another group shot up a pickup with some innocent civilian in it during the Christopher Dorner incident. As far as I know, nobody lost their job over either one.
 
2014-08-04 01:49:32 PM  

physt: iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.

If only the victim were armed, he could have defended himself against the sheriff.  Perhaps we should install a network of public kiosks that quickly vend loaner guns for just these sort of situations.


If he was armed, he wouldn't have been a hostage.
 
2014-08-04 01:49:36 PM  

jjorsett: Cops panic like the rest of us.


Sounds like improper training at that point.
 
2014-08-04 01:49:54 PM  

iheartscotch: Gunther: iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.

Did you seriously just blame the victim instead of the cop who mistook an unarmed 54 year old hostage for an armed 24 year old criminal?

He ran out of a room that a suspect had run into after engaging in a firefight with cops, without insuring he wouldn't be fired upon. In that situation, the cops' mistake is understandable. I'm not saying the cops didn't make a mistake, they did; I'm saying that if the victim had taken 2 seconds to think and talk to the cops, before running, he might still be alive.

/ it's not blaming the victim; unless he is a she, wearing an electrical tape bikini to a frat party and consuming massive quantities of alcohol

// no, the first slashie is not serial


Aren't you supposed to be certain of your target before you shoot?
 
2014-08-04 01:50:12 PM  

dfacto: iheartscotch: I understand the confusion. They were having a moving gun fight with a guy in the house; and the guy ducked into that room; then the second guy ran out of the same room. It's a tragedy; but, at the same time, if the victim had shouted " I'M COMING OUT; DON'T SHOT", this wouldn't have happened.

Not really, you can't hear shiat when you're full of adrenaline anyways.  Truth is if you're a hostage, DON'T RUN AT THE COPS.  This has happened before, and while tragic it's also not really a surprise.  You're in a standoff with an armed man and then suddenly some dude runs at you.  You'd go for the kill too.


As far as I can see the police, in general, are a very dangerous faction in modern American life. They may not be as dangerous to you as criminals, but they're pretty close to it. And the police don't generally need to concern themselves with consequences. If a cop ends you because of incompetence, negligence or even malice it's very likely he'll get away with it. Criminals don't get to operate under the "color of law" and don't have powerful public sector unions and politicians to protect them.

So I try to avoid both ordinary wrong-doers and police. Run-ins or cooperation with either are unwise.
 
2014-08-04 01:50:39 PM  
Hey mistakes happen. Indict the cop and send him to jail for the rest of his life.
 
2014-08-04 01:50:58 PM  
How many times does the typical homeowner shoot the wrong person?
How many times does the typical cop shoot the wrong person?

That's right.  Cops are murdering bastards.  Especially if the other guy isn't white.
 
2014-08-04 01:52:41 PM  

jjorsett: Cops panic like the rest of us. Remember they shot up a truck and a couple of women delivering newspapers and another group shot up a pickup with some innocent civilian in it during the Christopher Dorner incident. As far as I know, nobody lost their job over either one.


They should have been kicked off the force and prosecuted for that. It was utter bullshiat that they were not.
 
2014-08-04 01:53:03 PM  

mongbiohazard: Criminals don't get to operate under the "color of law" and don't have powerful public sector unions and politicians to protect them.


Unless they own banks.
 
2014-08-04 01:53:36 PM  
And another trigger-happy pig gets a two month paid vacation, followed by a promotion. :(
 
2014-08-04 01:54:52 PM  

verdigris1: [img.fark.net image 320x240]


Damn! someone beat me to it.


/how much has LA paid to families for shooting people?
 
2014-08-04 01:55:27 PM  
A Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy accidentally shot and killed a man during a gunfight ...

He did not accidentally shoot, he intentionally shot the person. It just happened to be the wrong person.

He should never be allowed to wear a badge again.
 
2014-08-04 01:55:27 PM  
Maybe they should make the interview process harder for potential police officers.

"So what are your three biggest weaknesses?"
"I panic and lose my shiat just like everyone else. I can't stop shooting people. And I guess I'd have to say I'm a workaholic."
 
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