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2014-08-04 10:28:34 AM  
The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year
 
2014-08-04 10:44:13 AM  
...by possibly offering a free upgrade to Win 8 and Win 7 SP1 users.

OH THE HORROR
 
2014-08-04 10:51:51 AM  

xanadian: ...by possibly offering a free upgrade to Win 8 and Win 7 SP1 users.

OH THE HORROR


But why would they do that, unless they wanted you to have an inferior system and keep having to upgrade it to the newer version?
 
2014-08-04 10:54:26 AM  

Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year


7 is OK, but no one should be using XP anymore.  There are tons of security holes in XP, it's responsible for more botnets than any other OS.

Windows 9 looks like it will preserve the best parts of 8 but bring along a more traditional start menu for those who never fully embraced the start screen, there's really no reason not to upgrade in that case.
 
2014-08-04 11:01:57 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

7 is OK, but no one should be using XP anymore.  There are tons of security holes in XP, it's responsible for more botnets than any other OS.

Windows 9 looks like it will preserve the best parts of 8 but bring along a more traditional start menu for those who never fully embraced the start screen, there's really no reason not to upgrade in that case.


I have two older laptops I use regularly. Both operate on XP. Both are shop laptops and are used for light media playback and very basic Internet access (usually related to parts searches).

Given the age of both of these computers, I doubt either one could handle anything beyond XP. They work fine as it is, and I have no plans to upgrade either the hardware or the OS.

Then again, I'm kind of a cheap bastard.
 
2014-08-04 11:11:21 AM  

TwistedIvory: TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

7 is OK, but no one should be using XP anymore.  There are tons of security holes in XP, it's responsible for more botnets than any other OS.

Windows 9 looks like it will preserve the best parts of 8 but bring along a more traditional start menu for those who never fully embraced the start screen, there's really no reason not to upgrade in that case.

I have two older laptops I use regularly. Both operate on XP. Both are shop laptops and are used for light media playback and very basic Internet access (usually related to parts searches).

Given the age of both of these computers, I doubt either one could handle anything beyond XP. They work fine as it is, and I have no plans to upgrade either the hardware or the OS.

Then again, I'm kind of a cheap bastard.


I'd recommend installing a lightweight Linux distro on them, as long as there is some sort of driver support for the audio playback and WiFi.  Using XP on anything connected to the internet is just begging for a virus.
 
2014-08-04 11:23:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: TwistedIvory: TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

7 is OK, but no one should be using XP anymore.  There are tons of security holes in XP, it's responsible for more botnets than any other OS.

Windows 9 looks like it will preserve the best parts of 8 but bring along a more traditional start menu for those who never fully embraced the start screen, there's really no reason not to upgrade in that case.

I have two older laptops I use regularly. Both operate on XP. Both are shop laptops and are used for light media playback and very basic Internet access (usually related to parts searches).

Given the age of both of these computers, I doubt either one could handle anything beyond XP. They work fine as it is, and I have no plans to upgrade either the hardware or the OS.

Then again, I'm kind of a cheap bastard.

I'd recommend installing a lightweight Linux distro on them, as long as there is some sort of driver support for the audio playback and WiFi.  Using XP on anything connected to the internet is just begging for a virus.


I would absolutely do that if there were the possibility of Netflix and xbmc support.
 
2014-08-04 11:29:33 AM  

TwistedIvory: TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

7 is OK, but no one should be using XP anymore.  There are tons of security holes in XP, it's responsible for more botnets than any other OS.

Windows 9 looks like it will preserve the best parts of 8 but bring along a more traditional start menu for those who never fully embraced the start screen, there's really no reason not to upgrade in that case.

I have two older laptops I use regularly. Both operate on XP. Both are shop laptops and are used for light media playback and very basic Internet access (usually related to parts searches).

Given the age of both of these computers, I doubt either one could handle anything beyond XP. They work fine as it is, and I have no plans to upgrade either the hardware or the OS.

Then again, I'm kind of a cheap bastard.


I am the same way. I don't feel the need to purcahse a $500 system just so I can run the latest OS
 
2014-08-04 12:01:40 PM  

TwistedIvory: TuteTibiImperes: TwistedIvory: TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

7 is OK, but no one should be using XP anymore.  There are tons of security holes in XP, it's responsible for more botnets than any other OS.

Windows 9 looks like it will preserve the best parts of 8 but bring along a more traditional start menu for those who never fully embraced the start screen, there's really no reason not to upgrade in that case.

I have two older laptops I use regularly. Both operate on XP. Both are shop laptops and are used for light media playback and very basic Internet access (usually related to parts searches).

Given the age of both of these computers, I doubt either one could handle anything beyond XP. They work fine as it is, and I have no plans to upgrade either the hardware or the OS.

Then again, I'm kind of a cheap bastard.

I'd recommend installing a lightweight Linux distro on them, as long as there is some sort of driver support for the audio playback and WiFi.  Using XP on anything connected to the internet is just begging for a virus.

I would absolutely do that if there were the possibility of Netflix and xbmc support.


I can watch Nexflix and Hulu on my old Dell 1501.
 
2014-08-04 12:55:37 PM  
Well, if history is any guide, Windows 9 will probably be a great OS.  That doesn't mean I'll rush to upgrade...I'm still happy with Win 7.
 
2014-08-04 01:16:46 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-04 02:42:00 PM  

Trance750: xanadian: ...by possibly offering a free upgrade to Win 8 and Win 7 SP1 users.

OH THE HORROR

But why would they do that, unless they wanted you to have an inferior system and keep having to upgrade it to the newer version?


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-04 02:44:03 PM  

xanadian: ...by possibly offering a free upgrade to Win 8 and Win 7 SP1 users.

OH THE HORROR


This.

nice headline
 
2014-08-04 02:48:31 PM  
We're still trying to ween customers off of Windows XP....

Some are still using NT 4 for Christ's sake, cause the computer is still working and the system meets their needs as is and the equipment the computer is controlling is still functional, why would they upgrade unless they absolutely had too?
 
2014-08-04 02:50:32 PM  

meat0918: We're still trying to ween customers off of Windows XP....

Some are still using NT 4 for Christ's sake, cause the computer is still working and the system meets their needs as is and the equipment the computer is controlling is still functional, why would they upgrade unless they absolutely had too?


Should say industrial computing here, so it is not exactly applicable to the regular general consumer market.
 
2014-08-04 02:51:16 PM  

Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year


Or because it costs them a pile of money to support various versions of Windows.

And it isn't exactly good for Microsoft when their customers get viruses etc because they are using an outdated OS (and most people don't understand the issues with outdated OS). This being the same reason that Microsoft spent years trying to convince people to upgrade the IE.
 
2014-08-04 03:02:39 PM  

dywed88: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

Or because it costs them a pile of money to support various versions of Windows.

And it isn't exactly good for Microsoft when their customers get viruses etc because they are using an outdated OS (and most people don't understand the issues with outdated OS). This being the same reason that Microsoft spent years trying to convince people to upgrade the IE.


I met someone still running IE 6 about a month back. They had *no* idea why their computer was running so slow. I had a strong urge to take their computer and give it a mercy shooting at a nearby gravel pit.
 
2014-08-04 03:12:06 PM  

meat0918: We're still trying to ween customers off of Windows XP....

Some are still using NT 4 for Christ's sake, cause the computer is still working and the system meets their needs as is and the equipment the computer is controlling is still functional, why would they upgrade unless they absolutely had too?


I just upgraded an NT 4, 500MHZ dual processor server suite from the '90s. We had tried every currently available exploit on them, but because of their age, they passed brilliantly so the upgrade was continually delayed. Most hackers don't even expect the NT OS anymore or know how to program for it, so it was strangely secure.
 
2014-08-04 03:13:19 PM  
I have some hardware that i use daily that is no longer supported with updated software beyond XP. The hardware isnt even something that i can upgrade, because there are no comparable modern products. So on that one box, i still use XP.
 
2014-08-04 03:14:55 PM  
I'd upgrade my Vista box, but the thought of re-installing everything gives me pause, especially when I'm not so sure everything on it would work under a 64bit architecture even if I could find all the old installation disks.

There's a lotta games and things on there that I still like to mess around with from time to time.
 
2014-08-04 03:16:51 PM  

SomeoneDumb: I'd upgrade my Vista box, but the thought of re-installing everything gives me pause, especially when I'm not so sure everything on it would work under a 64bit architecture even if I could find all the old installation disks.

There's a lotta games and things on there that I still like to mess around with from time to time.


I have that same issue with my PC at home. It needs to be refreshed, but the more I think about what is there, the more daunting it will be to find the necessary install information.
 
2014-08-04 03:25:02 PM  

LemSkroob: I have some hardware that i use daily that is no longer supported with updated software beyond XP. The hardware isnt even something that i can upgrade, because there are no comparable modern products. So on that one box, i still use XP.


SomeoneDumb: I'd upgrade my Vista box, but the thought of re-installing everything gives me pause, especially when I'm not so sure everything on it would work under a 64bit architecture even if I could find all the old installation disks.

There's a lotta games and things on there that I still like to mess around with from time to time.


Perfectly reasonable.

Just don't expect reasonable security, if you're going to introduce anything suspect.  Like intartubing.

/plz secure that gaming/whatever box to "zero exposure"
 
2014-08-04 03:27:11 PM  
It is an odd numbered version.  I'm okay with this.
 
2014-08-04 03:27:39 PM  

SomeoneDumb: I'd upgrade my Vista box, but the thought of re-installing everything gives me pause, especially when I'm not so sure everything on it would work under a 64bit architecture even if I could find all the old installation disks.

There's a lotta games and things on there that I still like to mess around with from time to time.


I assume you mean you have old 16-bit applications you want to keep running. If so, you have two options if you upgrade:

1. Install a 32-bit OS
or
2. Use a virtual machine to run a guest using your existing copy of Vista and your old programs

I prefer the second option myself, and it's simple enough with something like Openbox or VMWare Player. But if you don't want to dick around with that, there's no reason you can't install a 32-bit copy of Windows 7 or 8 on 64-bit hardware. The bit restriction is in the OS, not the hardware, so as long as you're running a 32-bit OS, you get 16-bit support.

Obviously, if you install a 32-bit OS you don't get the benefits of the 64 bit hardware, though.
 
2014-08-04 03:29:37 PM  

skozlaw: SomeoneDumb: I'd upgrade my Vista box, but the thought of re-installing everything gives me pause, especially when I'm not so sure everything on it would work under a 64bit architecture even if I could find all the old installation disks.

There's a lotta games and things on there that I still like to mess around with from time to time.

I assume you mean you have old 16-bit applications you want to keep running. If so, you have two options if you upgrade:

1. Install a 32-bit OS
or
2. Use a virtual machine to run a guest using your existing copy of Vista and your old programs

I prefer the second option myself, and it's simple enough with something like Openbox or VMWare Player. But if you don't want to dick around with that, there's no reason you can't install a 32-bit copy of Windows 7 or 8 on 64-bit hardware. The bit restriction is in the OS, not the hardware, so as long as you're running a 32-bit OS, you get 16-bit support.

Obviously, if you install a 32-bit OS you don't get the benefits of the 64 bit hardware, though.


Double partiion your hard drive and run 2 OS
 
2014-08-04 03:30:11 PM  

LemSkroob: I have some hardware that i use daily that is no longer supported with updated software beyond XP. The hardware isnt even something that i can upgrade, because there are no comparable modern products. So on that one box, i still use XP.


Okay, now I'm curious.  What is the hardware you're referencing?
 
2014-08-04 03:32:37 PM  

Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year


Windows 8 is a fine OS, especially since the 8.1 update.  I only ever have to use the normal desktop mode, and it boots up quicker than anything I've used before.  It's been incredibly stable in my experience, with no problems.  If I want to open a program, I just hit the windows key on my  keyboard and start typing, exactly as I did in 7.
 
2014-08-04 03:33:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I'd recommend installing a lightweight Linux distro on them, as long as there is some sort of driver support for the audio playback and WiFi. Using XP on anything connected to the internet is just begging for a virus.


Used to be that Ubuntu fit that description..  then Unity hit and all of the cheap Atom netbooks that upgraded from UNE 10.04 to UNE 10.10 collectively collapsed under their own weight until they were formatted and reinstalled with 10.04
 
2014-08-04 03:34:53 PM  
Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free
 
2014-08-04 03:35:03 PM  
I think Microsoft's days of forcing things on people are almost over, Windows 8 slapped them in the head so hard it knocked the CEO out of them.  Telling their customers to take it or leave it cost them tens of billions of dollars this cycle.  They can't afford not to listen for this next release.  It's Windows 10 you need to be scared of.
 
2014-08-04 03:36:13 PM  
I have my Mac G4 running OS/X Tiger that I use to nuke virus laden USB sticks.  It hasn't had an upgrade in years and likely never will.  But most hackers don't even know what an G4 processor is anymore.

I should take it to Starbucks.
 
2014-08-04 03:37:18 PM  

Tax Boy: Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free


And those are the equivalent of Service Packs.  OS 10 is still OS 10.
 
2014-08-04 03:43:36 PM  

pkellmey: meat0918: We're still trying to ween customers off of Windows XP....

Some are still using NT 4 for Christ's sake, cause the computer is still working and the system meets their needs as is and the equipment the computer is controlling is still functional, why would they upgrade unless they absolutely had too?

I just upgraded an NT 4, 500MHZ dual processor server suite from the '90s. We had tried every currently available exploit on them, but because of their age, they passed brilliantly so the upgrade was continually delayed. Most hackers don't even expect the NT OS anymore or know how to program for it, so it was strangely secure.


In college, just a few years ago, we were using MS-DoS machines from the mid 80's because the hardware interfaces were from then. New versions of some of the system interfaces would have cost tens of thousands of dollars. You learn a little DoS to get free process control and lab hardware.
 
2014-08-04 03:45:35 PM  

bhcompy: Tax Boy: Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free

And those are the equivalent of Service Packs.  OS 10 is still OS 10.


Yes, their versioning system is different than MS'. But to say that Mavericks is the same version as Leopard is as big a misstatement as saying Windows 7 is the same as Windows Vista. Apple has moved to a more iterative OS updating style, and that's something I can really get behind.
 
2014-08-04 03:46:20 PM  
Just don't be a dick and limit the amount of RAM I can use to how much I spend on various types of windows 9 .

home basic vs home premium vs professional/ultimate. or whatever they decide to name them.
 
2014-08-04 03:48:40 PM  

bhcompy: Tax Boy: Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free

And those are the equivalent of Service Packs.  OS 10 is still OS 10.


No.
 
2014-08-04 03:49:09 PM  

Trance750: But why would they do that


I'm guessing only the first year or X months will be free.  Or there will be some other ridiculous limitation in the free upgrade, like Vista Basic, 7 Starter, or RT.  Some core or near-core functionality that will be conspicuous in its absence.
 
2014-08-04 03:49:25 PM  

Raider_dad: Just don't be a dick and limit the amount of RAM I can use to how much I spend on various types of windows 9 .

home basic vs home premium vs professional/ultimate. or whatever they decide to name them.


Windows 8 Standard (equivalent to "Home" editions of Vista/7) has a physical memory limit of 128 GB.  You using more than that?
 
2014-08-04 03:49:46 PM  

bhcompy: Tax Boy: Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free

And those are the equivalent of Service Packs.  OS 10 is still OS 10.


I thought it was OS/X?
 
2014-08-04 03:51:41 PM  
Stop separating out the "Pro" version where the only difference is that  I can now join a domain for a mere $100
 
2014-08-04 03:55:35 PM  

valkore: Raider_dad: Just don't be a dick and limit the amount of RAM I can use to how much I spend on various types of windows 9 .

home basic vs home premium vs professional/ultimate. or whatever they decide to name them.

Windows 8 Standard (equivalent to "Home" editions of Vista/7) has a physical memory limit of 128 GB.  You using more than that?


I was refering to 7, forgot to mention that.

I think 128 GB should be plenty.
 
2014-08-04 03:55:40 PM  

Kanemano: Stop separating out the "Pro" version where the only difference is that  I can now join a domain for a mere $100


Aren't you saving $100 by not getting it then? (Pro versions of software are usually targeting corporate users. Home users usually just join Workgroups/Homegroups.)
 
2014-08-04 03:57:41 PM  

mcreadyblue: I thought it was OS/X?


Same thing. OS X is just the branding, but it's also version 10 and follows OS 9.
 
2014-08-04 03:58:04 PM  

feanorn: bhcompy: Tax Boy: Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free

And those are the equivalent of Service Packs.  OS 10 is still OS 10.

No.


Yes.
 
2014-08-04 03:58:25 PM  
But will we get over it is the real question

/If they offered Windows 7 Starter for like $20, I'd update the circle-of-friends World of Warcrap addict's machines that I end up being tech support for.   But not for $100+.   Let'em get pwned, I'll update from a drive image.

/or move them to PlayOnLinux if I can.   But the autoupdate stuff is hard to emulate.
 
2014-08-04 03:59:59 PM  
Windows 9 won't suck too bad if historical trends hold. Windows 8 was an abortion. Not "Windows ME" level, but close.
 
2014-08-04 04:06:12 PM  

Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year


Windows XP doesn't really work.

And only idiots think Windows 7 is better than Windows 8.
 
2014-08-04 04:08:33 PM  

TwistedIvory: I would absolutely do that if there were the possibility of Netflix and xbmc support.


Buh?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=XBMCbuntu

also wik

http://lifehacker.com/netflixbmc-brings-a-better-remote-controlled-n et flix-t-1484237283

Google is hard.
 
2014-08-04 04:11:40 PM  

spawn73: Trance750: The real reason they are getting rid of XP and 7 is because they work. They would rather sell you a POS like 8, and hope you will continue to spend the money to upgrade it, every year

Windows XP doesn't really work.

And only idiots think Windows 7 is better than Windows 8.


When some people troll, the moving subtlety is like a beautiful swan spreading its wings and taking flight.

When you troll it's like someone jammed a swan in a duck press.
 
2014-08-04 04:12:59 PM  

bhcompy: Tax Boy: Meanwhile in Macland ...

"leopard": $129
"snow leopard": $20
"lion": $20
"mountain lion": free
"mavericks"free
"Yosemite": free

And those are the equivalent of Service Packs.  OS 10 is still OS 10.


No different than Windows Vista, 7, and 8.  It's all iterations of Windows version 6, differentiated via branding.

Vista:  Windows 6.0
7: Windows 6.1
8:  Windows 6.2
8.1:  Windows 6.3
 
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