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(Toledo News Now)   Toledo water crisis day three jubilee: the mayor says, "fark it go ahead and drink the water, farmers are bad, and our system sucks. Oh, and by the way we're going to raise your rates"   (toledonewsnow.com) divider line 64
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2014-08-04 10:05:54 AM  
Wow. Real life having the plot of a bad SyFy Movie.

COMING THIS SUMMER: DINOFLAGILLATENADO - IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.
 
2014-08-04 10:09:45 AM  
Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.
 
2014-08-04 10:11:42 AM  
Privatize it!
 
2014-08-04 10:12:15 AM  
If people start getting sick in large numbers later today, can we call this "Watergate"?
 
2014-08-04 10:13:02 AM  
Is that the mayor of Toledo, or Toronto?
 
2014-08-04 10:13:48 AM  

wxboy: If people start getting sick in large numbers later today, can we call this "Watergate 2.0"?


FTFY
 
2014-08-04 10:13:50 AM  

wxboy: If people start getting sick in large numbers later today, can we call this "Watergate"?


Thanks Obama!
 
2014-08-04 10:14:28 AM  

Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.


Except that is what he just said live on TV....
 
2014-08-04 10:14:39 AM  
Water water everywhere so let's all have a drink
 
2014-08-04 10:14:56 AM  
Ready to deal to get the water:

www.wearysloth.com

/Duluth gets 100 cigars and three years' back issues of "Nudist's Delight"
 
2014-08-04 10:17:04 AM  
From what I've heard, this is not an unusual occurence (the algae bloom, that is). How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?

Or is this like asking why New Orleans wasn't prepared for a hurricane?
 
2014-08-04 10:17:36 AM  
Who needs farmers? We get all our food at the Publix, McDonald's and Pizza Hut.
 
2014-08-04 10:17:57 AM  

OregonVet: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

Except that is what he just said live on TV....


Well, ok. I will have to take your word on it, being 130 miles away. Just going from the article. Did he say why rates should increase?
 
2014-08-04 10:18:12 AM  

hardinparamedic: Wow. Real life having the plot of a bad SyFy Movie.

COMING THIS SUMMER: DINOFLAGILLATENADO - IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.


Anything that produces something called Very Fast Death Factor is bad ass, even if it's just algae.
 
2014-08-04 10:18:15 AM  
Get LeBron over there with some Gatorade.
 
2014-08-04 10:18:38 AM  
Join Mayor Collins and drink the Kool Aid, er, water.

wtol.images.worldnow.com
 
2014-08-04 10:20:51 AM  
Don't let them fool you, he was really drinking Aquafina.
 
2014-08-04 10:22:59 AM  

UtileDysfunktion: How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?


Actually, that part went well. The governor activated the Guard and fire departments from neighboring counties trucked in water. NTM hundreds of volunteers stepped up immediately and a distribution system almost seamlessly fell into place. Even BGSU, a rival of UT, provided water to the athletics department so they could still practice. Their were gougers in gas stations and carry-outs selling water for $30/case, but free water was easy to obtain fairly quickly....
 
2014-08-04 10:24:02 AM  

Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.


How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row? It's just like that dumb Chicago death count weekend thread.
 
2014-08-04 10:24:40 AM  

Ooba Tooba: Did he say why rates should increase?


They got immediate hard questions from the press and backpedaled to "errrr, sewer rates, that's not water, ummm, we got stuff to fix."
 
2014-08-04 10:25:13 AM  

doglover: hardinparamedic: Wow. Real life having the plot of a bad SyFy Movie.

COMING THIS SUMMER: DINOFLAGILLATENADO - IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.

Anything that produces something called Very Fast Death Factor is bad ass, even if it's just algae.


microscopetalk.files.wordpress.com

COME AT ME BRO. DO YOU EVEN MAKE EXOTOXINS?!
 
2014-08-04 10:25:55 AM  
I can't believe the mayor would say something so stupid... must be something in the water up there...
 
2014-08-04 10:28:09 AM  

DanZero: How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row?


Actually, it was over half a million people that couldn't use the water in their home/business/doctor's office/nursing home/etc because it was toxic. The national guard was activated, and even all regular programing was suspended for two days. It was the lead story on the national news Sunday night. That might be why.
 
2014-08-04 10:28:36 AM  

DanZero: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row? It's just like that dumb Chicago death count weekend thread.


Hundreds of thousands of people with no water is a non story?
 
2014-08-04 10:29:34 AM  

Spaceballer: I can't believe the mayor would say something so stupid... must be something in the water up there...


What you did there...I see it
 
2014-08-04 10:30:16 AM  

Ooba Tooba: DanZero: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row? It's just like that dumb Chicago death count weekend thread.

Hundreds of thousands of people with no water is a non story?


It is when it happens in flyover country.
 
2014-08-04 10:31:01 AM  

Ooba Tooba: OregonVet: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

Except that is what he just said live on TV....

Well, ok. I will have to take your word on it, being 130 miles away. Just going from the article. Did he say why rates should increase?


I'm just afraid that the citizens are going to get soaked. It's eerie how that always happens. If it does happen then the mayor is all washed up and will be hung out to dry.

BTW, who was that guy in the background. He sure is a tall drink of water.
 
2014-08-04 10:31:38 AM  

UtileDysfunktion: From what I've heard, this is not an unusual occurence (the algae bloom, that is). How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?

Or is this like asking why New Orleans wasn't prepared for a hurricane?


Not unusual (from what I hear), but this was the worst bloom they've had and more than they could handle before.  There is a lot of think about fixing: where Toledo gets its water (the location of the intake), farm fertilizer use (major industry in area), the aging treatment plant, etc.   Doesn't help that Toledo is dying like other rust belt cities but with less hope of re-inventing itself.

/4th tier city with 1st class zoo and art museum (left over from golden age of US industry)
 
2014-08-04 10:34:50 AM  
Never let a good crisis go to waste, said the handmaiden of Lucifer
 
2014-08-04 10:36:19 AM  

Ooba Tooba: DanZero: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row? It's just like that dumb Chicago death count weekend thread.

Hundreds of thousands of people with no water is a non story?


Showers are not a part of the daily rouyine for everyone. Also, some people do drink out of the toilet for the taste - and I mean the bowl, notyhe tank.

/merely stating facts
//not implying anything
 
2014-08-04 10:37:27 AM  

wxboy: Ooba Tooba: DanZero: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row? It's just like that dumb Chicago death count weekend thread.

Hundreds of thousands of people with no water is a non story?

It is when it happens in flyover country.


Oh you jpg.
 
2014-08-04 10:39:51 AM  

syberpud: UtileDysfunktion: From what I've heard, this is not an unusual occurence (the algae bloom, that is). How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?

Or is this like asking why New Orleans wasn't prepared for a hurricane?

Not unusual (from what I hear), but this was the worst bloom they've had and more than they could handle before.  There is a lot of think about fixing: where Toledo gets its water (the location of the intake), farm fertilizer use (major industry in area), the aging treatment plant, etc.   Doesn't help that Toledo is dying like other rust belt cities but with less hope of re-inventing itself.

/4th tier city with 1st class zoo and art museum (left over from golden age of US industry)


Be proud of Toledo and sing its praises. No springs, honest weight!
 
2014-08-04 10:40:59 AM  

Slypork: BTW, who was that guy in the background. He sure is a tall drink of water.


The guy in the black cap? I'm pretty sure he's a cop on protection detail.
 
2014-08-04 10:41:43 AM  
Did anyone else see that poor reporter on Good Morning America today that had to interview some people from their front porch about the water situation?

Someone help me out... was that a late '80s Ford Aerostar or early '90s Taurus bucket seat that she was sitting on?
 
2014-08-04 11:02:41 AM  

dr.zaeus: Did anyone else see that poor reporter on Good Morning America today that had to interview some people from their front porch about the water situation?

Someone help me out... was that a late '80s Ford Aerostar or early '90s Taurus bucket seat that she was sitting on?


East side/North end like front porch decor detected.
 
2014-08-04 11:06:21 AM  

doglover: hardinparamedic: Wow. Real life having the plot of a bad SyFy Movie.

COMING THIS SUMMER: DINOFLAGILLATENADO - IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.

Anything that produces something called Very Fast Death Factor is bad ass, even if it's just algae.


[every single NOPE .gif and .jpg]

Does anyone know where I can buy a stillsuit?
 
2014-08-04 11:16:12 AM  
Another reason why every household should have a decent amount of water as an emergency backup. I'm not saying go all doomsday prepper nuts: but have at least a couple of gallon stashed somewhere.
 
2014-08-04 11:26:10 AM  

hardinparamedic: Wow. Real life having the plot of a bad SyFy Movie.

COMING THIS SUMMER: DINOFLAGILLATENADO - IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.


Microcystins are produced by blue-green algae, not dinoflagellates. This is what happens when you dump sewerage into the reservoir you pull your drinking water from. Everyone over fertilizing the their lawns doesn't help either.
 
2014-08-04 11:28:41 AM  

JackieRabbit: hardinparamedic: Wow. Real life having the plot of a bad SyFy Movie.

COMING THIS SUMMER: DINOFLAGILLATENADO - IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.

Microcystins are produced by blue-green algae, not dinoflagellates. This is what happens when you dump sewerage into the reservoir you pull your drinking water from. Everyone over fertilizing the their lawns doesn't help either.


Will the reservoirage run low?
 
2014-08-04 11:29:58 AM  

mjohnson71: Another reason why every household should have a decent amount of water as an emergency backup. I'm not saying go all doomsday prepper nuts: but have at least a couple of gallon stashed somewhere.


whadda' think toilet bowls are for?
 
2014-08-04 11:31:53 AM  
JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO GO IN THE WATER....IT IS COMING FOR YOU!!!

MICROCYSTNAMI!

Coming soon to the SyFy Channel
 
2014-08-04 11:46:50 AM  

DanZero: Ooba Tooba: Wow, that is one trolltastic headline.

How else could they get such a non-story greenlit 3 days in a row? It's just like that dumb Chicago death count weekend thread.


It's weird how something can not affect you personally and yet still be important to other people, huh.
 
2014-08-04 12:29:56 PM  

JackieRabbit: Microcystins are produced by blue-green algae, not dinoflagellates. This is what happens when you dump sewerage into the reservoir you pull your drinking water from. Everyone over fertilizing the their lawns doesn't help either.


I guess if you have to explain the joke....
 
2014-08-04 12:46:44 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: From what I've heard, this is not an unusual occurence (the algae bloom, that is). How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?

Or is this like asking why New Orleans wasn't prepared for a hurricane?


Well, not unusual for recent history of Lake Erie. Northern Ohio has had unusually large volume of summer rainfall recently with 2011, 2013 and (so far) 2014 being in the top ten all time. Also very few calm sunny warm days.  Lake water levels are historically higher then normal. Farm run-off is also exasperated by the number of rainy days.
 
2014-08-04 12:57:22 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: From what I've heard, this is not an unusual occurence (the algae bloom, that is). How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?

Or is this like asking why New Orleans wasn't prepared for a hurricane?


This one prolly just exceeded their reasonable expectations, causing the backup plans to fail.

I mean, I have a plan of how I'm going to make love at Megan Fox if I can ever meet and seduce her, but I don't carry around a pint honey and a Koala mask every time I go out for a drink.
 
2014-08-04 01:03:51 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: From what I've heard, this is not an unusual occurence (the algae bloom, that is). How is it that no one thought to have an emergency plan for temporarily providing a limited supply of water (through distillation or whatever) should the toxicity rise to this level?

Or is this like asking why New Orleans wasn't prepared for a hurricane?


Hey, a comment than I am adequately informed on! I am a postdoc currently looking at agricultural pollution to the Great Lakes (from the Canadian side).
- lake Erie algal blooms are pretty common, especially in hot or windy years
- algae are phosphate (P) limited, meaning if you dump more phosphate in the lake, more algae
- L Erie gets a lot of P from agriculture in the basin (fertilizer and manure), P from sewage and detergent is pretty well regulated
- P from agriculture is super difficult to measure, predict and control. There is historical P building up in ag soils, flushing rates vary greatly, amount of P stored in wetlands etc is hard to predict, etc etc. Nagging farmers to change their practices may have an effect next year or in 20 years or in 50 years.
- In addition, L Erie also gets a lot (I think maybe most?) of its P from internal cycling. P settles out in sediments and is resuspended when it's really wavy in shallow water. The western basin is really shallow, so that's where you get most algal blooms
- cyanobacteria cause the worst blooms. They typically dominate when there is low nitrogen in the water, as they fix N2 to useable organic N (which not very many things can do)
- cyanobacteria SOMETIMES produce really deadly toxins (microcystins) but sometimes don't, and it's proved very challenging ot predict toxin production. Toxins are expensive to test for (though I'm sure Toledo will now ramp this up), can cause pretty severe human reactions (ie liver failure), and aren't denatured by boiling water. In conclusion, cyanos are hard-to-predict jerks, but starving them of P is a good start. Since we can't do too much about sediment P, our best bet is reducing P runoff in agriculture. Easier said than done, since we like our crops to have adequate nutrition.

I hope that was interesting. Interesting for me, anyway! One good thing about working for the provincial gov't environmental agency - you feel super useful! Yay!
 
2014-08-04 01:23:00 PM  
Actually, I'm not seeing a lot of bad from the city government. They caught the problem quickly. They set up water distribution points quickly and efficiently. The mayor wants to identify the things causing this that can be controlled in the future. And, yes, this will be expensive.

Should he have lied?
 
2014-08-04 01:42:14 PM  

DeaH: Actually, I'm not seeing a lot of bad from the city government. They caught the problem quickly. They set up water distribution points quickly and efficiently. The mayor wants to identify the things causing this that can be controlled in the future. And, yes, this will be expensive.

Should he have lied?


Well, it's all water under the bridge now.
 
2014-08-04 02:12:05 PM  

Slypork: DeaH: Actually, I'm not seeing a lot of bad from the city government. They caught the problem quickly. They set up water distribution points quickly and efficiently. The mayor wants to identify the things causing this that can be controlled in the future. And, yes, this will be expensive.

Should he have lied?

Well, it's all water under the bridge now.


The bridges also are in need of repair - that costs money, too.
 
2014-08-04 02:22:27 PM  

DeaH: Slypork: DeaH: Actually, I'm not seeing a lot of bad from the city government. They caught the problem quickly. They set up water distribution points quickly and efficiently. The mayor wants to identify the things causing this that can be controlled in the future. And, yes, this will be expensive.

Should he have lied?

Well, it's all water under the bridge now.

The bridges also are in need of repair - that costs money, too.


Sure, but with good insurance you can find an affordable dentist to fix your bridge.
 
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