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2014-08-04 08:49:53 AM  
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Wednesday that "climate change occurs no matter what," but that the EPA's recent efforts to reduce emissions from existing power plants are "outside of the confines of the law," and "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."

Speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in Washington, Rep. Ryan said that he would argue that the "federal government, with all its tax and regulatory schemes" can't do anything about climate change. He said that what climate regulations "end up doing is making the U.S. economy less competitive."


Oh, unclench, Amanda.  This is pretty low on the whackadoodle conspiracy scale.  That quote taken on its own is pretty damned common.  Bone-headed and wrong, but common.  Ryan's probably not even thinking of the levels of collusion necessary to pull that off.  He's simply droning on about the big bad government that he works for and hopes to one day run.
 
2014-08-04 09:36:12 AM  
It's hard to take serious an article that starts out with a quote from Paul Ryan acknowledging climate change, but then proceeds to presume to lecture its reader on the abhorrent nature of climate change denialist.
 
2014-08-04 09:37:40 AM  

Diogenes: Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Wednesday that "climate change occurs no matter what," but that the EPA's recent efforts to reduce emissions from existing power plants are "outside of the confines of the law," and "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."

Speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in Washington, Rep. Ryan said that he would argue that the "federal government, with all its tax and regulatory schemes" can't do anything about climate change. He said that what climate regulations "end up doing is making the U.S. economy less competitive."

Oh, unclench, Amanda.  This is pretty low on the whackadoodle conspiracy scale.  That quote taken on its own is pretty damned common.  Bone-headed and wrong, but common.  Ryan's probably not even thinking of the levels of collusion necessary to pull that off.  He's simply droning on about the big bad government that he works for and hopes to one day run.


You forgot to add the inexplicable bold text from the article.
 
2014-08-04 09:48:50 AM  
"The widespread belief in the climate change conspiracy theory is possibly the best evidence of all time that people often believe shiat because they want to, even if giving it a moment's thought-just half a moment, really-would show you that you have to have a brain made of dryer lint and boogers to think that your theory makes any sense at all."

Please have her washed and brought to my chambers.
 
2014-08-04 09:52:40 AM  
Most global warming alarmists really believe it is happening.  They see it because they want to see it.

The reason they advance the global warming agenda is because the they can use the excuse of global warming and its dire consequences to expand government and accumulate power.  Its a power grab.  And the power grab is from people who sympathize with the communist movement.  They hate corporations, private markets, wall street, capitalism.  They have figured out they can use the excuse of global warming to enact laws that stifle corporations, banks, capitalism.  Then they can basically use the excuse of saving the environment as the end-run to wealth distribution.  Like cap and trade.  Cap and trade punishes companies for their energy use through fines.  More energy use, higher fines.  the money that is then extracted in fines is redistributed to either the communists now in power or the poor or both - whatever they decide and can get away with.  Its an old fashioned take from the rich to give to the poor. under the guise of saving the environment.

most of the people involved think global warming is real - like the scientists who fall all over themselves to write papers trying to prove its real.  but there are a small group of people at the top of the pyramid pulling the strings.
 
2014-08-04 09:59:41 AM  

SlothB77: most of the people involved think global warming is real - like the scientists who fall all over themselves to write papers trying to prove its real.  but there are a small group of people at the top of the pyramid pulling the strings.


Because that's how science works.
 
2014-08-04 10:01:10 AM  

SlothB77: Most global warming alarmists really believe it is happening.  They see it because they want to see it.

The reason they advance the global warming agenda is because the they can use the excuse of global warming and its dire consequences to expand government and accumulate power.  Its a power grab.  And the power grab is from people who sympathize with the communist movement.  They hate corporations, private markets, wall street, capitalism.  They have figured out they can use the excuse of global warming to enact laws that stifle corporations, banks, capitalism.  Then they can basically use the excuse of saving the environment as the end-run to wealth distribution.  Like cap and trade.  Cap and trade punishes companies for their energy use through fines.  More energy use, higher fines.  the money that is then extracted in fines is redistributed to either the communists now in power or the poor or both - whatever they decide and can get away with.  Its an old fashioned take from the rich to give to the poor. under the guise of saving the environment.

most of the people involved think global warming is real - like the scientists who fall all over themselves to write papers trying to prove its real.  but there are a small group of people at the top of the pyramid pulling the strings.


Boys and girls, let this post be a reminder of the importance of remembering to take your prescription medication.
 
2014-08-04 10:11:09 AM  
"climate change occurs no matter what,"

Interesting way to phrase that.

OTOH, it jibes with lowest of the low info deniers who can't wrap their collective heads around the idea of natural climate change as it occurred in cycles prior to the industrial age of man being different from the impact man has had over a relatively short period of time.

OTOH, it can also seem to mean that Ryan recognizes the above but has graduated to the next level of denialism which is basically, it's here, it's happening, man is responsible but it is too expensive to pursue solutions and besides it will make us less competitive.

He's wrong, of course, no matter what interpretation you want to throw on that.

The only real take-away here for me is that entire speech was about politics not science or reality.

The people who fund and promote denialism, the big energy concerns, are a massive lobby in DC and the GOP have been their voice for years now.
 
2014-08-04 10:18:17 AM  

Shostie: Diogenes: Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Wednesday that "climate change occurs no matter what," but that the EPA's recent efforts to reduce emissions from existing power plants are "outside of the confines of the law," and "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."

Speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in Washington, Rep. Ryan said that he would argue that the "federal government, with all its tax and regulatory schemes" can't do anything about climate change. He said that what climate regulations "end up doing is making the U.S. economy less competitive."

Oh, unclench, Amanda.  This is pretty low on the whackadoodle conspiracy scale.  That quote taken on its own is pretty damned common.  Bone-headed and wrong, but common.  Ryan's probably not even thinking of the levels of collusion necessary to pull that off.  He's simply droning on about the big bad government that he works for and hopes to one day run.

You forgot to add the inexplicable bold text from the article.


URLs
 
2014-08-04 10:20:31 AM  

SlothB77: but there are a small group of people at the top of the pyramid pulling the strings.


Please, share with the class your proof of this claim.
 
2014-08-04 10:34:11 AM  
So the third level of climate denierism is something like:


1) fark you smart people, we hate you, fark off.

2) Whatever happens happens, screw it, I don't live on a coastline like all you liberals do

3) Let china choke in its own fumes if it wants to, you don't see them lowering their emissions so why should we cripple our own businesses any more than we already do


And one I'll throw in there that does seem fairly reasonable and likely:


- Pretty soon carbon burning cars will be a thing of the past, if we allow electric cars to compete they will soon start winning (they are already winning on the coasts where people have more money). Once that happens carbon emissions will start to drop naturally, as the overwhelming number one contributor to carbon emissions in First World nations is automobile exhaust caused by commuters.
 
2014-08-04 10:38:51 AM  

make me some tea: SlothB77: but there are a small group of people at the top of the pyramid pulling the strings.

Please, share with the class your proof of this claim.


Here, put on these sunglasses.
 
2014-08-04 10:40:17 AM  

Generation_D: - Pretty soon carbon burning cars will be a thing of the past, if we allow electric cars to compete they will soon start winning (they are already winning on the coasts where people have more money). Once that happens carbon emissions will start to drop naturally, as the overwhelming number one contributor to carbon emissions in First World nations is automobile exhaust caused by commuters.


themoviejudge.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-04 10:50:40 AM  
Amanda says she writes about "pop culture", and if you don't believe in global warming, you got "boogers" in your brain.  That's a very persuasive argument for pop culture type people.
 
2014-08-04 10:57:53 AM  
whowhatwhy.com
www.necessaryshenanigans.com
 
2014-08-04 11:20:57 AM  
Damn those per-historical people....I guess they dis-mantled their coal-powered power-plants.
www.epa.gov
 
2014-08-04 11:40:07 AM  

Paris1127: [whowhatwhy.com image 600x800]
[www.necessaryshenanigans.com image 500x333]


The argument "What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing!" is perfectly illustrative of the herbal teabagger thought-process:  "Who cares if it costs billions of dollars in revenue to chase after a solution to a non-existant problem?  It's not like it's our money."
 
2014-08-04 11:49:04 AM  

Lucky LaRue: herbal teabagger


Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
 
2014-08-04 11:49:15 AM  

ferretman: Damn those per-historical people....I guess they dis-mantled their coal-powered power-plants.
[www.epa.gov image 544x417]


Wow, it's almost like there could be various reasons for climate change when examined over a 500,000 year span of a planet's history!

Damn those contemporary scientists for trying to figure out why it's happening this time.
 
2014-08-04 11:53:17 AM  

Lucky LaRue: "Who cares if it costs billions of dollars in revenue to chase after a solution to a non-existant problem?  It's not like it's our money."


It'd be like if you lost weight so you can fit in your rascal scooter but it also helped mitigate your symptoms of diabetes, all you wanted to do was ride in your scooter.
 
2014-08-04 11:54:19 AM  

Diogenes: ferretman: Damn those per-historical people....I guess they dis-mantled their coal-powered power-plants.
[www.epa.gov image 544x417]

Wow, it's almost like there could be various reasons for climate change when examined over a 500,000 year span of a planet's history!

Damn those contemporary scientists for trying to figure out why it's happening this time.


www.skeptic.com
It's like the graph he posted left out the current levels!

/prediction: we're boned
 
2014-08-04 11:56:19 AM  
Oh logical fallacies and conjecture, let me count the ways:

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Wednesday that "climate change occurs no matter what,"

appeal to nature

but that the EPA's recent efforts to reduce emissions from existing power plants are "outside of the confines of the law,"

begging the question

and "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."

appeal to fear, slippery slope

Speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in Washington, Rep. Ryan said that he would argue that the "federal government, with all its tax and regulatory schemes" can't do anything about climate change.

black and white thinking, ad hominem

He said that what climate regulations "end up doing is making the U.S. economy less competitive."

argumentum ad consequentiam
 
2014-08-04 11:59:15 AM  

nmrsnr: Lucky LaRue: herbal teabagger

Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.


Stop using catch phrases from B-list movies marketed to pre-teen girls.
 
2014-08-04 12:13:03 PM  

Lucky LaRue: nmrsnr: Lucky LaRue: herbal teabagger

Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.

Stop using catch phrases from B-list movies marketed to pre-teen girls.


A fool cannot learn from the wisest man, a wise man can learn even from a fool.
 
2014-08-04 12:14:02 PM  
So he's taking the "We're farked, so party hard to the end" tact?
 
2014-08-04 12:15:56 PM  

ferretman: Damn those per-historical people....I guess they dis-mantled their coal-powered power-plants.
[www.epa.gov image 544x417]


Fires happened before man was here. That means man made fires can't exist!!

That's your retarded argument.
 
2014-08-04 12:18:44 PM  

Shostie: [Ryan] said that what climate regulations "end up doing is making the U.S. economy less competitive."



Which I have heard stated as "But... Mmmmm look at all that gold!"
 
2014-08-04 12:20:31 PM  
This rich have been planning their exodus from Earth for decades. Don't believe the lies, Mars is quite habitable and there are many housing developments there already. The rest of us will be left here to burn, drown and starve.
 
2014-08-04 12:22:07 PM  
FTFA:  "After all, the pull of a faked moon landing, you probably only need to have ..."

Yay journalism!
 
2014-08-04 12:22:08 PM  

Paris1127: Diogenes: ferretman: Damn those per-historical people....I guess they dis-mantled their coal-powered power-plants.
[www.epa.gov image 544x417]

Wow, it's almost like there could be various reasons for climate change when examined over a 500,000 year span of a planet's history!

Damn those contemporary scientists for trying to figure out why it's happening this time.

[www.skeptic.com image 500x280]
It's like the graph he posted left out the current levels!

/prediction: we're boned


Did you hear about the "boreholes" in Siberia.  Initial investigations indicate that they were probably formed by the massive release of methane as the permafrost melted (but no, they aren't sure how they formed).

So I'd like to put a $20 on "we're boned" to win please.
 
2014-08-04 12:23:18 PM  
The Republican Party: Making the same arguments about alternative energy since the 70s, the same arguments about LGBT people since the 80s, and the same arguments about global warming since the 90s.
 
2014-08-04 12:25:30 PM  
I see the willfully ignorant fuqstick brigade has their underpants on their heads and are ready to stand up against the tyranny of  Big Science.
 
Bf+
2014-08-04 12:27:28 PM  

Diogenes: Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Wednesday that "climate change occurs no matter what," but that the EPA's recent efforts to reduce emissions from existing power plants are "outside of the confines of the law," and "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."

Speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in Washington, Rep. Ryan said that he would argue that the "federal government, with all its tax and regulatory schemes" can't do anything about climate change. He said that what climate regulations "end up doing is making the U.S. economy less competitive."

Oh, unclench, Amanda.  This is pretty low on the whackadoodle conspiracy scale.  That quote taken on its own is pretty damned common.  Bone-headed and wrong, but common.  Ryan's probably not even thinking of the levels of collusion necessary to pull that off.  He's simply droning on about the big bad government that he works for and hopes to one day run.



What other conclusion could you come to when he says that "Climate change happens no matter what" and that the efforts to control it are "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."?

He pretty well stating that climate change is not influenced by carbon emissions and that the whole issue is a conspiracy to slow down economic growth and increase that good fer nuthn gummit.

This is Alex Jones level conspiracy nuttiness, and should be called out for what it is.
 
2014-08-04 12:28:08 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: The Republican Party: Making the same arguments about alternative energy since the 70s, the same arguments about LGBT people since the 80s, and the same arguments about global warming since the 90s.


Laobaojun: I see the willfully ignorant fuqstick brigade has their underpants on their heads and are ready to stand up against the tyranny of  Big Science.


It would be sad to see people so willing to be wrong on every single issue of their day, generation after generation, if they weren't sucks willfully ignorant fuqsticks.
 
2014-08-04 12:30:02 PM  
An interesting thing about conservatives is their fear that everything is a plot to control them.  It makes you wonder what they consider to the primary motivator of people.

Spoiler alert:  it's power.
 
2014-08-04 12:31:27 PM  

SlothB77: Most global warming alarmists really believe it is happening.  They see it because they want to see it.

The reason they advance the global warming agenda is because the they can use the excuse of global warming and its dire consequences to expand government and accumulate power.  Its a power grab.



Weird. Not too long ago, you were telling us it's because of all that sweet, sweet grant money the scientists get.
Next week, we'll be hearing about how CC scientists bought yellow cake from Nigeria.
 
2014-08-04 12:31:42 PM  

ferretman: Damn those per-historical people....I guess they dis-mantled their coal-powered power-plants.
[www.epa.gov image 544x417]


Yeah about that? We just surpassed 400ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere.
http://climate.nasa.gov/400ppmquotes/
 
2014-08-04 12:32:20 PM  

Laobaojun: I see the willfully ignorant fuqstick brigade has their underpants on their heads and are ready to stand up against the tyranny of  Big Science.


I can't believe how gray this entire thread got right away. Paul Ryan is the man that the derp squad follows off the cliff.
 
Bf+
2014-08-04 12:32:54 PM  
www.acrdepos.com
 
2014-08-04 12:34:13 PM  

Diogenes: Oh, unclench, Amanda. This is pretty low on the whackadoodle conspiracy scale. That quote taken on its own is pretty damned common. Bone-headed and wrong, but common. Ryan's probably not even thinking of the levels of collusion necessary to pull that off. He's simply droning on about the big bad government that he works for and hopes to one day run.


this!

Alex Jones thinks contrails are making people beleive in climate change, which is a myth spread by the CIA to cover up the moon landing hoax.
 
2014-08-04 12:34:30 PM  

Lucky LaRue: nmrsnr: Lucky LaRue: herbal teabagger

Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.

Stop using catch phrases from B-list movies marketed to pre-teen girls.



i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-04 12:36:26 PM  

Lucky LaRue: It's hard to take serious an article that starts out with a quote from Paul Ryan acknowledging climate change, but then proceeds to presume to lecture its reader on the abhorrent nature of climate change denialist.


Hey Lucky,

You are the LAST person who should be in a climate change thread... really... I know they have you signed up to shill climate threads but you really need to go talk to your handler and ask him to pull your name from the rotation.

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The Map in Question...
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Lucky  Confronted with the map being "not mexico"

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Lucky Doubles down...

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2014-08-04 12:36:57 PM  

Triple Oak: Laobaojun: I see the willfully ignorant fuqstick brigade has their underpants on their heads and are ready to stand up against the tyranny of  Big Science.

I can't believe how gray this entire thread got right away. Paul Ryan is the man that the derp squad follows off the cliff.


img.fark.net

Yep.  He's their numbers guy.
 
2014-08-04 12:37:08 PM  
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Wednesday that "climate change occurs no matter what," but that the EPA's recent efforts to reduce emissions from existing power plants are "outside of the confines of the law," and "an excuse to grow government, raise taxes and slow down economic growth."

Can someone who is either from the Derp Brigade, or who understands their language, explain this one to me? I can understand the accusation that liberals like government. If they like government, they want more of it. If they want more government, they need more tax dollars to fund it. But why would they want to slow economic growth, if growth leads to more tax dollars and then more government?

I know it's just part of the derpmongering. But seriously, do people fall for that rhetoric? It's one thing to say that Democratic policies cause slow economic growth (even if they don't) but to claim that slowing growth is the goal is insane.
 
2014-08-04 12:37:20 PM  
www.illuminatiagenda.com
 
2014-08-04 12:40:00 PM  

SlothB77: Its a power grab.


DRINK!
 
2014-08-04 12:42:54 PM  

Rapmaster2000: An interesting thing about conservatives is their fear that everything is a plot to control them.  It makes you wonder what they consider to the primary motivator of people.

Spoiler alert:  it's power.


You are on to something.  I'm pretty sure that psychologists and neuroscientists have been on this too.  Conservatism reflects a view of hierarchical, non-random universe.  Despite the rhetoric that individuals may rise and fall on their own merits, the conservative actually believes that institutions control their advancement, happiness, freedom, etc.  To some extent that's obviously true, but the belief in an ordered universe means that if they feel themselves somehow "wronged" by an institution (they almost always pick government, and not family, community or church) they seek to shrink and re-shape that institution into a form they feel they can control.

So, you can tell how powerless a conservative feels by how small they claim to want government.
 
2014-08-04 12:43:10 PM  

Heliovdrake: Lucky LaRue: It's hard to take serious an article that starts out with a quote from Paul Ryan acknowledging climate change, but then proceeds to presume to lecture its reader on the abhorrent nature of climate change denialist.

Hey Lucky,

You are the LAST person who should be in a climate change thread... really... I know they have you signed up to shill climate threads but you really need to go talk to your handler and ask him to pull your name from the rotation.



The Map in Question...


Lucky  Confronted with the map being "not mexico"



Lucky Doubles down...


Holy. shiat.

Mexico??? Seriously?
 
2014-08-04 12:43:35 PM  

Heliovdrake: Lucky LaRue: It's hard to take serious an article that starts out with a quote from Paul Ryan acknowledging climate change, but then proceeds to presume to lecture its reader on the abhorrent nature of climate change denialist.

Hey Lucky,

You are the LAST person who should be in a climate change thread... really... I know they have you signed up to shill climate threads but you really need to go talk to your handler and ask him to pull your name from the rotation.

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The Map in Question...
[img.fark.net image 780x502]

Lucky  Confronted with the map being "not mexico"

[img.fark.net image 779x317]

Lucky Doubles down...

[img.fark.net image 776x388]


#rekt
 
2014-08-04 12:43:35 PM  

Triple Oak: Laobaojun: I see the willfully ignorant fuqstick brigade has their underpants on their heads and are ready to stand up against the tyranny of  Big Science.

I can't believe how gray this entire thread got right away. Paul Ryan is the man that the derp squad follows off the cliff.


They have been told he is the smartest guy in the group. You wouldn't want to disagree with the smartest guy in the room, would ya?


conservativetimes.org

"I'm the smart one."
 
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