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(Some Guy)   Why North America will never be a world soccer power, reason #298: lousy domestic refereeing   (rednationonline.ca) divider line 57
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2014-08-04 07:36:39 AM  
What is soccer?
 
2014-08-04 07:55:46 AM  

BalugaJoe: What is soccer?



It's a sport where people propel a giant buckyball toward a big net using only parts of their body not designed for such things.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-08-04 08:04:34 AM  
How do you expect a guy to stay awake for two hours when his only task is determining who is flopping within the rules, and who is flopping improperly?
 
2014-08-04 08:41:55 AM  
The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?
 
2014-08-04 08:50:29 AM  

jbc: How do you expect a guy to stay awake for two hours when his only task is determining who is flopping within the rules, and who is flopping improperly?


www.ngngsports.com
"AND we watch the point spread, too! You're welcome!"
 
2014-08-04 09:04:56 AM  
Hasn't stopped us in basketball.
 
2014-08-04 09:05:11 AM  
All soccer refereeing is awful, almost by design.

You can't expect 1 man to handle so much real estate.
 
2014-08-04 09:08:28 AM  

MugzyBrown: All soccer refereeing is awful, almost by design.

You can't expect 1 man to handle so much real estate.


IMHO soccer needs a second referee and something similar to NHL's blue line.
 
2014-08-04 09:08:29 AM  
Both plays involved situations that are supposed to be clear cut referring decision in soccer. If the last defender denies the player an obvious goal scoring opportunity it's an automatic red card.

During the VM there were an American "expert" who went on about how this was not an automatical red card, which kinda leads me to believe referees in USA just don't follow the FIFA rules.

A penalty and a red card does seem harsh actually, but it's the rules.
 
2014-08-04 09:09:22 AM  
They should just use androids. Refereeing soccer is a simple algorithm:

if (team[1].group == "CONCACAF")
then award_penalty_shot(team [2])
 
2014-08-04 09:13:52 AM  

spawn73: Both plays involved situations that are supposed to be clear cut referring decision in soccer. If the last defender denies the player an obvious goal scoring opportunity it's an automatic red card.

During the VM there were an American "expert" who went on about how this was not an automatical red card, which kinda leads me to believe referees in USA just don't follow the FIFA rules.

A penalty and a red card does seem harsh actually, but it's the rules.


The guy doesn't understand the rules. If the last defender (who is not the goalie) denies the player a likely goal scoring opportunity, it's pretty much an automatic yellow card, but even that is up to the discretion of the ref.

On the other hand, if the goalie interferes with the player who is trying to score - for example, tripping him instead of reaching for the ball, that is an automatic red card for the goalie and also a penalty kick for the fouled team.
 
2014-08-04 09:21:32 AM  
tfa: "Personally, I enjoy the South American/Mediterranean style of game. I find the gamesmanship intriguing and perfectly fine with the game being played at a slower pace and refereed to death as it creates a more strategic and technical result "

And that is why no MLS fan should worry about what the world thinks of our game. MLS is here, we have our own style, and the world will just have to get used to it. This author and the euro-snob fans who moan about US vs (their boutique league of choice) are drowned out by the real fans more and more each year. Won't be able to hear them over the crowd soon.
 
2014-08-04 09:35:15 AM  
MLS should show the world how to implement a quick replay system.

And while they're at it, I'd like to see one or two MLS teams get Champions League spots.
 
2014-08-04 09:52:04 AM  

uncre8tv: tfa: "Personally, I enjoy the South American/Mediterranean style of game. I find the gamesmanship intriguing and perfectly fine with the game being played at a slower pace and refereed to death as it creates a more strategic and technical result "

And that is why no MLS fan should worry about what the world thinks of our game. MLS is here, we have our own style, and the world will just have to get used to it. This author and the euro-snob fans who moan about US vs (their boutique league of choice) are drowned out by the real fans more and more each year. Won't be able to hear them over the crowd soon.


Exactly. I like MLS. I enjoy that our league doesn't cater to whiners as much as other leagues. All leagues can improve how the game is called. I'd much rather complain about MLS not making teams use grass surface vs field turf.
 
2014-08-04 09:59:16 AM  

fo_sho!: MLS should show the world how to implement a quick replay system.

And while they're at it, I'd like to see one or two MLS teams get Champions League spots.


Several are already there.  CONCACAF Champions league qualifying starts in a few weeks.  Portland, SKC, NYRB and DC United are in it.  Now the UEFA Champions league?  Seeing as how no NA teams are in Europe I don't know if there's a reason to allocate a spot.  Maybe make a world club championship that people care about?

/Go  Timbers!
//I'll be at the All Star game on Wednesday sitting in the Army section.  Should be awesome.
 
2014-08-04 10:03:46 AM  
Soccer? Didn't someone already win that thing.
 
2014-08-04 10:08:39 AM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: MugzyBrown: All soccer refereeing is awful, almost by design.

You can't expect 1 man to handle so much real estate.

IMHO soccer needs a second referee and something similar to NHL's blue line.


I agree with the blue line thingee.

I don't want to stop long forward passes or shots but this advancing the ball past midfield then passing it all the way back to your goalkeeper is just stupid and time consuming. For a game that doesn't call a penalty because of advantage there should be rules against not pressing the advantage by passing the ball all the way back for a start-over.
 
2014-08-04 10:09:02 AM  
What a disgrace. The top tiers of professional soccer would never tolerate crappy referees.
 
2014-08-04 10:28:19 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I agree with the blue line thingee.

I don't want to stop long forward passes or shots but this advancing the ball past midfield then passing it all the way back to your goalkeeper is just stupid and time consuming. For a game that doesn't call a penalty because of advantage there should be rules against not pressing the advantage by passing the ball all the way back for a start-over.


Not sure you know how a blue line works
 
2014-08-04 10:35:41 AM  

eagles95: uncre8tv: tfa: "Personally, I enjoy the South American/Mediterranean style of game. I find the gamesmanship intriguing and perfectly fine with the game being played at a slower pace and refereed to death as it creates a more strategic and technical result "

And that is why no MLS fan should worry about what the world thinks of our game. MLS is here, we have our own style, and the world will just have to get used to it. This author and the euro-snob fans who moan about US vs (their boutique league of choice) are drowned out by the real fans more and more each year. Won't be able to hear them over the crowd soon.

Exactly. I like MLS. I enjoy that our league doesn't cater to whiners as much as other leagues. All leagues can improve how the game is called. I'd much rather complain about MLS not making teams use grass surface vs field turf.


Except that the very next post down brings up a concern.  MLS and NASL sides are at a disadvantage in international competitions like the CONCACAF Champion's League because the refs in that league are almost always from Central America, and they call the game like it's played in their home countries.  Meaning that American and Canadian teams get vastly disproportionate calls against them, because they've been taught NOT to dive or flop.  They play a physical style that plays into Central American strategy perfectly.  And then that bleeds over into international play too
 
2014-08-04 10:42:31 AM  

poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?


England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.
 
2014-08-04 10:59:30 AM  

MugzyBrown: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I agree with the blue line thingee.

I don't want to stop long forward passes or shots but this advancing the ball past midfield then passing it all the way back to your goalkeeper is just stupid and time consuming. For a game that doesn't call a penalty because of advantage there should be rules against not pressing the advantage by passing the ball all the way back for a start-over.

Not sure you know how a blue line works


upload.wikimedia.org

I was only referring to the blue line demarking particular areas of the rink. Nothing to do with offsides.

Limiting passing back over midfield line would be too constricting for soccer but putting another line behind midfield and not allowing any passing behind that line once the ball had crossed midfield would help with scoring and action.
 
2014-08-04 11:11:15 AM  

LucklessWonder: poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?

England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.


Difference is, our trajectory is going up. Possession is something we can fix in four years without too much trouble.
 
2014-08-04 11:26:51 AM  
Two Dogs Farking:
The guy doesn't understand the rules. If the last defender (who is not the goalie) denies the player a likely goal scoring opportunity, it's pretty much an automatic yellow card, but even that is up to the discretion of the ref.

On the other hand, if the goalie interferes with the player who is trying to score - for example, tripping him instead of reaching for the ball, that is an automatic red card for the goalie and also a penalty kick for the fouled team.


I think it's you who doesn't understand.

If you can describe the situation with "denies a likely goal scoring opportunity", it is an automatic red card, no questions asked. Those words are in the definition of the two DOGSO send-offs.

There are  "Four D's" that need to be judged by the referee to determine if a foul committed by the last defender that distinguish whether it was a reckless tactical foul (yellow card) or a full DOGSO (red card):

1) Defender (was the defender the last defender?)
2) Distance to goal (was the foul committed in the defending third of the field?)
3) Distance to ball (was the attacker able to play the ball within a few steps?)
4) Direction of attack (was the attack headed toward the goal?)

If all 4 D's are met, it's a red card. Otherwise, yellow.
 
2014-08-04 11:30:51 AM  

Gosling: LucklessWonder: poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?

England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.

Difference is, our trajectory is going up. Possession is something we can fix in four years without too much trouble.


Put in Julian Green, that'll fix possession, as USMNT found out about......I dunno, I guess 10 minutes too late, minimum?

If the US had 10 more minutes with Green in there, that probably would have been enough to tie at the end, they had Belgium on the ropes at the end of the game

If the US started with Green, though.....ugh, what could have been.......
 
2014-08-04 11:34:53 AM  
Guys, FIFA themselves hate the last defender/red card rule, but are too incompetent/bloated to change it in a timely fashion. I guarantee you the FIFA head of referees took all the World Cup refs aside and said, "Yeah, we know you're supposed to red card a last defender foul, but don't, b/c it's bullshiat, especially if that defender happens to be the Brazilian captain in the third place game." Instead of actually writing stuff down and being transparent, FIFA's rule committee waves their hands and tells the refs to do all sorts of dumb things that make us hate/laugh at them even more, when they're not given the chance. Look at how long it took them to get Hawkeye on the goal line, for crying out loud, and you still have pompous morons like Platini who would rather be wrong and stupid than right and use computer assistance.
 
2014-08-04 11:44:31 AM  
I thought it said world sorcery power and was much more interested.
 
2014-08-04 12:28:57 PM  

mainstreet62: Gosling: LucklessWonder: poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?

England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.

Difference is, our trajectory is going up. Possession is something we can fix in four years without too much trouble.

Put in Julian Green, that'll fix possession, as USMNT found out about......I dunno, I guess 10 minutes too late, minimum?

If the US had 10 more minutes with Green in there, that probably would have been enough to tie at the end, they had Belgium on the ropes at the end of the game

If the US started with Green, though.....ugh, what could have been.......


Or, you know, if the best American possessor of the ball and greatest American soccer player of all time had been included in the team.
 
2014-08-04 12:44:26 PM  

MugzyBrown: All soccer refereeing is awful, almost by design.

You can't expect 1 man to handle so much real estate.


You couldn't be more incorrect.  One well qualified man can easily officiate a match.  There's no need for an additional official.  And that official would just add to the financial burden of suburban youth leagues.  And in this economy that could be a barrier to participation.
 
2014-08-04 12:45:04 PM  
Chupacabra Sandwich: Or, you know, if the best American possessor of the ball and greatest American soccer player of all time had been included in the team.

Klinsmann made the right decision to leave Landon Donovan off the team.

 Guys, FIFA themselves hate the last defender/red card rule, but are too incompetent/bloated to change it in a timely fashion. I guarantee you the FIFA head of referees took all the World Cup refs aside and said, "Yeah, we know you're supposed to red card a last defender foul, but don't, b/c it's bullshiat, especially if that defender happens to be the Brazilian captain in the third place game." Instead of actually writing stuff down and being transparent, FIFA's rule committee waves their hands and tells the refs to do all sorts of dumb things that make us hate/laugh at them even more, when they're not given the chance. Look at how long it took them to get Hawkeye on the goal line, for crying out loud, and you still have pompous morons like Platini who would rather be wrong and stupid than right and use computer assistance.



No. If FIFA hated the rule, the DOGSO by foul rule, they would have changed it decades ago.

It is clear that FIFA gave the referees certain instructions, but not that specific instruction. Red and yellow cards were down this year, and that was a big problem. I think they did tell the referees that cards required much more contact than they might normally have in order to keep star players on the field more. It actually backfired big time with Neymar.

The problem is that the enforcers/goons of the soccer world figured it out, took down the skill players, and didn't face consequences for their actions. While games may have appeared to "flow" better, it had long-term repercussions. Player safety didn't seem to be the number one concern at this World Cup.
 
2014-08-04 12:47:06 PM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: mainstreet62: Gosling: LucklessWonder: poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?

England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.

Difference is, our trajectory is going up. Possession is something we can fix in four years without too much trouble.

Put in Julian Green, that'll fix possession, as USMNT found out about......I dunno, I guess 10 minutes too late, minimum?

If the US had 10 more minutes with Green in there, that probably would have been enough to tie at the end, they had Belgium on the ropes at the end of the game

If the US started with Green, though.....ugh, what could have been.......

Or, you know, if the best American possessor of the ball and greatest American soccer player of all time had been included in the team.


Alexei Lalas is too old, despite what he might say.
 
2014-08-04 12:54:04 PM  

Kurohone: Except that the very next post down brings up a concern.  MLS and NASL sides are at a disadvantage in international competitions like the CONCACAF Champion's League because the refs in that league are almost always from Central America, and they call the game like it's played in their home countries.  Meaning that American and Canadian teams get vastly disproportionate calls against them, because they've been taught NOT to dive or flop.  They play a physical style that plays into Central American strategy perfectly.  And then that bleeds over into international play too


The rest  of the soccer world is full of gutless cowards who would rather lie than act like grown-ass men at any point in their lives, therefore we have to be like them because that's how their sh*tty referees call games?

Maybe we can just start fixing matches like the other leagues like to do, too.
 
2014-08-04 12:55:29 PM  

Kuta: Red and yellow cards were down this year, and that was a big problem.


It was such a big problem that everyone agreed this was one of the best World Cups ever.
 
2014-08-04 01:02:19 PM  

IAmRight: Kuta: Red and yellow cards were down this year, and that was a big problem.

It was such a big problem that everyone agreed this was one of the best World Cups ever.


It was one of the best world cups if you were a fan. Not so much if your name is on this list:

http://www.physioroom.com/news/worldcup_2014/injury_table.php
 
2014-08-04 01:03:40 PM  

IAmRight: Kuta: Red and yellow cards were down this year, and that was a big problem.

It was such a big problem that everyone agreed this was one of the best World Cups ever.


i'm not sure brazil (or neymar) would agree with you...
 
2014-08-04 01:04:08 PM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: mainstreet62: Gosling: LucklessWonder: poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?

England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.

Difference is, our trajectory is going up. Possession is something we can fix in four years without too much trouble.

Put in Julian Green, that'll fix possession, as USMNT found out about......I dunno, I guess 10 minutes too late, minimum?

If the US had 10 more minutes with Green in there, that probably would have been enough to tie at the end, they had Belgium on the ropes at the end of the game

If the US started with Green, though.....ugh, what could have been.......

Or, you know, if the best American possessor of the ball and greatest American soccer player of all time had been included in the team.


I'm fine with Donovan staying home, but I really want to know why Beckerman sat the last game.
 
2014-08-04 01:09:57 PM  
Oh, I get it, soccer fans think injuries should never happen, even when you're playing in mud on a 90+ degree day.
 
2014-08-04 01:13:19 PM  

IAmRight: Oh, I get it, soccer fans think injuries should never happen, even when you're playing in mud on a 90+ degree day.


Well, if injuries do happen, they should be procedures in place to deal with it effectively. The concussion handling at Brazil 2014 was a black mark on what was otherwise a fantastic World Cup.

/Oh and the whole Brazilian economic disparity thing where they really couldn't afford to put on the spectacle they did.
//Random shot of Christ The Redeemer statue
 
2014-08-04 01:18:58 PM  

IAmRight: Kurohone: Except that the very next post down brings up a concern.  MLS and NASL sides are at a disadvantage in international competitions like the CONCACAF Champion's League because the refs in that league are almost always from Central America, and they call the game like it's played in their home countries.  Meaning that American and Canadian teams get vastly disproportionate calls against them, because they've been taught NOT to dive or flop.  They play a physical style that plays into Central American strategy perfectly.  And then that bleeds over into international play too

The rest  of the soccer world is full of gutless cowards who would rather lie than act like grown-ass men at any point in their lives, therefore we have to be like them because that's how their sh*tty referees call games?

Maybe we can just start fixing matches like the other leagues like to do, too.


Or the US and Canadian programs could expend less time biatching about the refereeing, and instead coach to adapt to it. You know, kind of like Germany did?

MLS/national team coaches KNOW that the slightest contact will bring about amateur theatrics that would put Shakespeare in the Park to shame. They KNOW that refs, particularly in Central America, will be sympathetic to it. And yet they're always so shocked and surprised when it happens. Are their programs so dependant of physical play they can't adapt to a technical style?
 
2014-08-04 01:30:48 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: spawn73: Both plays involved situations that are supposed to be clear cut referring decision in soccer. If the last defender denies the player an obvious goal scoring opportunity it's an automatic red card.

During the VM there were an American "expert" who went on about how this was not an automatical red card, which kinda leads me to believe referees in USA just don't follow the FIFA rules.

A penalty and a red card does seem harsh actually, but it's the rules.

The guy doesn't understand the rules. If the last defender (who is not the goalie) denies the player a likely goal scoring opportunity, it's pretty much an automatic yellow card, but even that is up to the discretion of the ref.

On the other hand, if the goalie interferes with the player who is trying to score - for example, tripping him instead of reaching for the ball, that is an automatic red card for the goalie and also a penalty kick for the fouled team.


That's incorrect, if you're denied an obvious scoring chance, then it's always a red card and a penalty. That means if you're alone with the goalkeeper, and a defender, not the goal keeper, fouls you. Then its an automatic red.

Always.
 
2014-08-04 01:37:18 PM  

mainstreet62: Gosling: LucklessWonder: poisonedpawn78: The US is going to win the world cup before England does. How does that make you feel?

England has already won it. So it makes me feel just fine. Currently the USMNT is probably stronger than England's. Good for them. Neither one is likely getting past a World Cup quarter final in the foreseeable future though. I'd say both are bottom of the top 10 teams when it comes to world rankings.

Difference is, our trajectory is going up. Possession is something we can fix in four years without too much trouble.

Put in Julian Green, that'll fix possession, as USMNT found out about......I dunno, I guess 10 minutes too late, minimum?

If the US had 10 more minutes with Green in there, that probably would have been enough to tie at the end, they had Belgium on the ropes at the end of the game

If the US started with Green, though.....ugh, what could have been.......


Not sure if serious.  Green was an upgrade over Bedoya and Zusi (farking Zusi was farking terrible), but he's not currently accustomed to playing with the level of players that Belgium has.  Now, that can change in the next few years if the US chooses to make a movement towards the young, but right now, he looked good enough in limited too.  However, I would say the addition of Wondo (an additional attacking threat) made the big difference in how the US looked in the Belgium game.

The real question is why Yedlin was not starting in front of Fabian.  Unlike Green, Yedlin showed in the games leading up to the WC that he was more than capable of hanging with the adults and proved to be a much needed spark on offense without being a liability on defense.
 
2014-08-04 01:41:08 PM  
If they want better teams, buy better refs. It works for the Italians.
 
2014-08-04 01:55:00 PM  

Kuta: Klinsmann made the right decision to leave Landon Donovan off the team.


I do not understand how anyone feels this way after watching us look like shiat for 3/4 games and be unable to possess the ball ever and watching Michael Bradley look like garbage because he was playing out of position, in a position landon could have been in. Seriously, it's an indefensible position.
 
2014-08-04 01:57:19 PM  

Kurohone: Are their programs so dependant of physical play they can't adapt to a technical style?


Ah, soccer, where flopping on the ground any time a stiff breeze gets near you is a "technical style."
 
2014-08-04 01:59:28 PM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: Kuta: Klinsmann made the right decision to leave Landon Donovan off the team.

I do not understand how anyone feels this way after watching us look like shiat for 3/4 games and be unable to possess the ball ever and watching Michael Bradley look like garbage because he was playing out of position, in a position landon could have been in. Seriously, it's an indefensible position.


Bradley shouldn't have been playing where he was, this is true, but that doesn't mean that Donovan was the right choice.

Klinsmann sent a message to every soccer player in the world who has United States citizenship:

If you're a prima donna and not ready to work, you're out. But if you are gonna bust your ass, you've got a chance. That's how you build a program in the long term.
 
2014-08-04 02:07:56 PM  

Kuta: Chupacabra Sandwich: Kuta: Klinsmann made the right decision to leave Landon Donovan off the team.

I do not understand how anyone feels this way after watching us look like shiat for 3/4 games and be unable to possess the ball ever and watching Michael Bradley look like garbage because he was playing out of position, in a position landon could have been in. Seriously, it's an indefensible position.

Bradley shouldn't have been playing where he was, this is true, but that doesn't mean that Donovan was the right choice.

Klinsmann sent a message to every soccer player in the world who has United States citizenship:

If you're a prima donna and not ready to work, you're out. But if you are gonna bust your ass, you've got a chance. That's how you build a program in the long term.


yeah because landon was totes slacking...

/klinsmann cut him because he's hated donovan since landon's lack of success at bayern got klins fired.
//germans are vengeful people.
 
2014-08-04 02:21:52 PM  

A Fark Handle: Kuta: Chupacabra Sandwich: Kuta: Klinsmann made the right decision to leave Landon Donovan off the team.

I do not understand how anyone feels this way after watching us look like shiat for 3/4 games and be unable to possess the ball ever and watching Michael Bradley look like garbage because he was playing out of position, in a position landon could have been in. Seriously, it's an indefensible position.

Bradley shouldn't have been playing where he was, this is true, but that doesn't mean that Donovan was the right choice.

Klinsmann sent a message to every soccer player in the world who has United States citizenship:

If you're a prima donna and not ready to work, you're out. But if you are gonna bust your ass, you've got a chance. That's how you build a program in the long term.

yeah because landon was totes slacking...

/klinsmann cut him because he's hated donovan since landon's lack of success at bayern got klins fired.
//germans are vengeful people
he took a vacation in the midst of WC qualifying.


FTFY.
 
2014-08-04 02:50:55 PM  

mainstreet62: Put in Julian Green, that'll fix possession, as USMNT found out about......I dunno, I guess 10 minutes too late, minimum?

If the US had 10 more minutes with Green in there, that probably would have been enough to tie at the end, they had Belgium on the ropes at the end of the game

If the US started with Green, though.....ugh, what could have been......


You're insane.

The reason the US dominated the last 10 minutes is Belgium already had the beers and moules ready to go, and Green's goal made them poop their pants.
 
2014-08-04 04:18:28 PM  
Man U and Liverpool are having an exhibition down here tomorrow in Miami. 55000 tickets sold. Some places in America enjoy soccer. Just not most places.
 
2014-08-04 04:36:32 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: MugzyBrown: All soccer refereeing is awful, almost by design.

You can't expect 1 man to handle so much real estate.

IMHO soccer needs a second referee

Yes.

and something similar to NHL's blue line.


You mean something called "offside"?  Yeah, they already have that.
 
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