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(Discovery)   Here's what will happen when California runs out of water, like the mystics and statistics say it will   (news.discovery.com) divider line 315
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2014-08-04 06:54:32 AM  
If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.
 
2014-08-04 07:35:43 AM  
Dogs and cats living together.
 
2014-08-04 07:46:59 AM  

mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.


Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.
 
2014-08-04 07:53:36 AM  

Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.


Last time I looked California's state legislature was 2/3 Democratic.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-04 07:54:13 AM  
Too late, I already paid my hotel bill.

To the north, in Silicon Valley, the clean rooms that produce computer chips would shut down.

Who makes chips in Silicon Valley? Intel's new American plants are in Arizona. Most companies outsource to China.

The horizon for a water apocalypse is still far enough off that California would have time to act.

All it takes is a 2/3 majority in each branch of the legislature, with some reaching across the aisle... oh, just set off the Big One. It will be a cleaner death.
 
2014-08-04 07:59:28 AM  
What do the Skeksis think?
 
2014-08-04 07:59:59 AM  
Wait a minute.  Shouldn't the coastline and several mile inland be under the Pacific right now?  Global Warming should just cure this whole thing naturally, right?
 
2014-08-04 08:04:52 AM  

mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.


Various government agencies (US, Europe, Australia) have been backing off desalinization because of the "damage" it does to plankton.

I'm sure there's got to be a way to safely separate plankton from a water intake. Large intake, slow speed centrifuge maybe?

At any rate, desalinization dove tails with another problem: Energy. Where do you get the huge amounts of energy to desalinate seawater from?

Now, if I were in charge, that's easy: Nuclear power. But then people get all scared. So, in a way, California must decided. Right now, it seems that they'd rather have their plankton filled oceans and remain thirsty; instead of being quenched yet scared and have slightly lower amounts of plankton.

/shrug. Haha... I got my microcystin laden Great Lakes.
//ow... my liver hurts.
 
2014-08-04 08:10:02 AM  

Destructor: At any rate, desalinization dove tails with another problem: Energy. Where do you get the huge amounts of energy to desalinate seawater from?


On the California coast?

Sun? WInd?
 
2014-08-04 08:12:57 AM  

Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.


The Republicans control California?
 
2014-08-04 08:15:23 AM  
i.qkme.me

Using wave, solar or wind energy to power desalination plants in California makes too much damn sense!
 
2014-08-04 08:21:45 AM  

liam76: On the California coast?

Sun? WInd?


Harness energy from stationary bicycles if you want.

But we are talking about enormous amounts of power for the rivers of fresh water needed in the land of fruit and nuts. Solar will consume huge tracts of land. Wind kills birdies. Also, NIMBY.

So, until they grow some sensibilities (or import some from Mexico?), I guess they're pretty much screwed.
 
2014-08-04 08:32:19 AM  

Destructor: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Various government agencies (US, Europe, Australia) have been backing off desalinization because of the "damage" it does to plankton.

I'm sure there's got to be a way to safely separate plankton from a water intake. Large intake, slow speed centrifuge maybe?

At any rate, desalinization dove tails with another problem: Energy. Where do you get the huge amounts of energy to desalinate seawater from?

Now, if I were in charge, that's easy: Nuclear power. But then people get all scared. So, in a way, California must decided. Right now, it seems that they'd rather have their plankton filled oceans and remain thirsty; instead of being quenched yet scared and have slightly lower amounts of plankton.

/shrug. Haha... I got my microcystin laden Great Lakes.
//ow... my liver hurts.


This, it's more tree huggers preventing desalinization than the GOP.
 
2014-08-04 08:32:37 AM  

dittybopper: Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.

The Republicans control California?


That's usually what Democrats say when they can't get their shiat together and actually do their jobs.
 
2014-08-04 08:33:58 AM  

Destructor: liam76: On the California coast?

Sun? WInd?

Harness energy from stationary bicycles if you want.

But we are talking about enormous amounts of power for the rivers of fresh water needed in the land of fruit and nuts. Solar will consume huge tracts of land. Wind kills birdies. Also, NIMBY.

So, until they grow some sensibilities (or import some from Mexico?), I guess they're pretty much screwed.


Then, they'll start throwing around their political weight at the Federal level.  Then, we're all screwed.
 
2014-08-04 08:34:39 AM  
Wasn't half the state supposed to fall into the ocean already? Probably just nature being bored...
 
2014-08-04 08:34:52 AM  
Don't the sun look angry through the trees?
 
2014-08-04 08:35:26 AM  
Two Words:  ICE PIRATES
 
2014-08-04 08:35:53 AM  

dittybopper: Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.

The Republicans control California?


Everything bad is due to Republicans, just like everything good is due to Democrats.

/reality stopped mattering about the time the climatologists convinced us greenhouse gases were going to only cause warming where warming is bad, and only cause cooling where cooling is bad
//because molecules are fully sapient, and greenhouse gas molecules are all evil and only do evil things
 
2014-08-04 08:37:33 AM  
Will someone please take knife to Subby's nose?
 
2014-08-04 08:38:36 AM  

ZAZ: Too late, I already paid my hotel bill.

To the north, in Silicon Valley, the clean rooms that produce computer chips would shut down.

Who makes chips in Silicon Valley? Intel's new American plants are in Arizona. Most companies outsource to China.

The horizon for a water apocalypse is still far enough off that California would have time to act.

All it takes is a 2/3 majority in each branch of the legislature, with some reaching across the aisle... oh, just set off the Big One. It will be a cleaner death.


Agreed.  Dumb article trying to stir up panic with made up facts.
 
2014-08-04 08:38:58 AM  

mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.


Energy intensive and expensive to send uphill.  I got three double digit increases to my water bill in 5 years for a new treatment plant and 30 mile pipe, and that's without desal (a secondary water intake downriver from the primary so there's enough in droughts).  Tons of Californians live farther inland than that.  And most of the water goes to the farm fields tons of which is farther inland than that.  It'll be a major sticker shock and California's agriculture industry may get decimated if they can't convince consumers to pay much more at the grocery store or get undercut by other areas.
 
2014-08-04 08:39:42 AM  
What happens when Westen Civilization runs out of real journalism, and all we have left is shiat like trhis?
 
2014-08-04 08:45:09 AM  
Go where the water is. Problem solved.
 
2014-08-04 08:46:14 AM  
Good thing there's lots of cameras in Cali. The rest of us will be able to watch the Mad Max-esque festivities from the comfort of our own homes.
 
2014-08-04 08:47:04 AM  

jso2897: What happens when Westen Civilization runs out of real journalism, and all we have left is shiat like trhis?


We're already there with shiat blogs
 
2014-08-04 08:49:53 AM  

Tatterdemalian: dittybopper: Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.

The Republicans control California?

Everything bad is due to Republicans, just like everything good is due to Democrats.

/reality stopped mattering about the time the climatologists convinced us greenhouse gases were going to only cause warming where warming is bad, and only cause cooling where cooling is bad
//because molecules are fully sapient, and greenhouse gas molecules are all evil and only do evil things


"Sapient Molecule" would be a great band name.
 
2014-08-04 08:49:55 AM  
A couple of years ago there was interest in building an aqueduct from the Great Lakes to bring water to the Southwest. The states around the GL fought that one off but what's to stop the SW states from trying again?

I do like the article saying "they still have time to do something" before they irrevocably run out of water. Yeah, where have I heard that one before? Oh right; global warming, ozone holes, overpopulation, ocean pollution, etc, etc, etc. There's always "time to do something", which is why nothing gets done until whatever it is we're supposed to be trying to fix is staring us in the face. Politicians don't look past their next election cycle, no one wants to fund a long-term strategy to do anything, or they de-fund anything that IS a long term strategy, and we end up spending 100x more when it's too late to do much but mitigate the disaster that's already here.
 
2014-08-04 08:50:02 AM  

abhorrent1: Go where the water is. Problem solved.


I really don't want the far left from California and the far right from Arizona living next to me.
/I'm very NIMBY to assholes
 
2014-08-04 08:50:27 AM  

Tatterdemalian: dittybopper: Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.

The Republicans control California?

Everything bad is due to Republicans, just like everything good is due to Democrats.

/reality stopped mattering about the time the climatologists convinced us greenhouse gases were going to only cause warming where warming is bad, and only cause cooling where cooling is bad
//because molecules are fully sapient, and greenhouse gas molecules are all evil and only do evil things


This knows whether to keep something cold or hot, but, how does it know?

www.thermos.com

Fully sapient, perhaps.
 
2014-08-04 08:51:18 AM  
So about 25 years until the NCR starts heading north to take over other water supplies?

Good to know.  We'll be ready for them.
 
2014-08-04 08:51:36 AM  
But I believe this motel will be standing, until I've paid my bill.
R.I.P. Warren.


If you need water, move to where water is,
 
2014-08-04 08:54:53 AM  

Bendal: A couple of years ago there was interest in building an aqueduct from the Great Lakes to bring water to the Southwest. The states around the GL fought that one off but what's to stop the SW states from trying again?


No,  there wasn't any interest from the states and provinces that own it and have treaties to leave it where it is.  The only interest comes from places that have somehow farked their own water supply.

That water is staying where it is.
 
2014-08-04 08:55:13 AM  
I don't know about the entire state, but yeah, water shortages could be the new normal in California for a while. Lake Meade is sitting 5 feet above water shortage procedures for Arizona and Nevada (they lose water), California will continue to get its 'full' allotment. IF that were to ever drop to the point of California not getting water, you know shiat is bad. San Diego, Imperial Valley and LA all rely on (in part or totally) the Colorado River.

Even with severe drought conditions, it isn't going to be Sahara Desert conditions for a while. And droughts are cyclical.
 
2014-08-04 08:56:50 AM  
Just build a friggin pipeline from South Florida all the way there.  It's stupid how much rain we get down here.  We should be under water given the amount of daily water that pelts during rainy season.


Problem solved - you're welcome, Calie!
 
2014-08-04 08:56:57 AM  
First action to take: stop unnecessary water use. That means no watering of lawns. It won't be popular with the keeping up with the Jones types but it is easy to implement and has immediate effect on the water supply.

Second: Implement grey water use wherever possible. I'll skip the treatise on it for now. Costs money on a building by building basis.

Third: Water treatment plants. Very expensive.
 
2014-08-04 08:57:06 AM  
True Mystics don't need water.
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-04 08:57:29 AM  

Gunny Highway: Will someone please take knife to Subby's nose?


Where'd ya get the dwarf?
 
2014-08-04 08:57:45 AM  
In the end, California is just going to burn. Oh, wait, it already is.
 
2014-08-04 08:57:56 AM  
1000 pts for the Warren Zevon reference

obscure?  Not on my fark
 
2014-08-04 08:58:14 AM  
Great headline subby.  Nothing's too obscure for Fark.

/Probably my favorite Zevon song
//Too young to have seen him in concert
///now I has a sad....
 
2014-08-04 08:58:15 AM  

dittybopper: Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.

The Republicans control California?


That is the new excuse for libs. If there is a single Republican anywhere in in the region, then the Democrats are excused from action. And if bills that they alone write and pass have flaws, it is still the Republicans fault. Now, it doesn't work that way for Republicans. A Republican president is solely responsible for every law passed during his term. A Democrat is not responsible for anything bad. Ever.
 
2014-08-04 08:58:57 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: abhorrent1: Go where the water is. Problem solved.

I really don't want the far left from California and the far right from Arizona living next to me.
/I'm very NIMBY to assholes


Well I didn't suggest they had to stay in America.  Or there's always the option of dropping nukes into various faults and sending the whole damn thing to the bottom of the ocean.

/just thinking out loud.
 
2014-08-04 08:59:00 AM  
Is desalinization still not feasible?
 
2014-08-04 08:59:38 AM  

12349876: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Energy intensive and expensive to send uphill.  I got three double digit increases to my water bill in 5 years for a new treatment plant and 30 mile pipe, and that's without desal (a secondary water intake downriver from the primary so there's enough in droughts).  Tons of Californians live farther inland than that.  And most of the water goes to the farm fields tons of which is farther inland than that.  It'll be a major sticker shock and California's agriculture industry may get decimated if they can't convince consumers to pay much more at the grocery store or get undercut by other areas.


Weeks ago I heard a story on all things considered about some new kind of targeted irrigation, closer to the roots of the plants. Much more efficient, produces more crops, but very expensive initially.

From the gist of what I've been reading about irrigation, those giant spider like sprayers and even the newer systems they've started replacing those with still produce a lot of waste water.

Someone probably needs to start paying for the targeted irrigation stuff. These problems are only going to get worse, even if the droughts are cyclical, because of population growth alone.

I live on the east coast, but I understand the effect a severe water shortage in CA would have on the economy and myself directly.
 
2014-08-04 08:59:58 AM  
Considering how much of their water and energy they have to get from outside states, I would say it is environmentally unfriendly to live in California. Al Gore, if he were a man of integrity, would demand you all move the eff out.
 
2014-08-04 09:00:44 AM  

DubtodaIll: Is desalinization still not feasible?


That requires a lot of cheap electricity. California hates cheap energy.
 
2014-08-04 09:02:00 AM  

Weaver95: mikemoto: If only California had some vast ocean on its western border that could be tapped and desalinated.

Good luck getting past the GOP to fund something like that. They'd rather die then put public money into a desalination plant.


What the fark weaver. The california legislature has a super majority, well until their two senators have to step down for corruption. Blaming this on the GOP? you've said some ignorant shiat in the day, but this is a new low. Your religion has simply made the GOP the devil.
 
2014-08-04 09:02:30 AM  

Elfich: First action to take: stop unnecessary water use. That means no watering of lawns. It won't be popular with the keeping up with the Jones types but it is easy to implement and has immediate effect on the water supply.


California already leads the nation in per capita water conservation i.e. they use less water per person than anywhere else in the US. Visiting Arizona and Nevada from California I couldn't believe how much they wasted water. Then I moved to south which set a whole new bar for waste, obesity, and shiatty building codes.
 
2014-08-04 09:02:48 AM  
Ever since I was a kid, I've been completely confused as to why desalination plants aren't a thing in California. They have them in the Middle East and in coastal countries around the world.

People lambast the proposal as being too expensive. I'd like to point out that setting up a desalination infrastructure, even if it means more expensive, would provide water independence and local jobs. So yeah, it costs more but then the money stays locally and you never have to worry about some random farker cutting you off or making you pay more and more over time to import water because you are a high volume user.

\Fark California
\\Glad my Father moved us away from it.
 
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